Pet Shop Boys: "Israel is not like apartheid-era South Africa"

[Roudy]

As if before 67 the jewish racial dictatorship were as democratic as Switzerland.

Which country in the Middle East is the closest to being a democracy ?

The problem with considering Israel a democratic state, toastman, is that, sooner or later, you're gonna have to follow your own logic to the bitter end and include South Africa under apartheid (hell, even Nazi Germany) in that group.

Democracy based on racial exclusion is an oxymoron.

Jose Feliciano, when you consider that currently there are over 2 million Arab Muslim Israeli citizens with the same rights as other Israel, your bullshit racial exclusion aregument falls apart.

 

[Hyrcanus]

Jose Feliciano, when you consider that currently there are over 2 million Arab Muslim Israeli citizens with the same rights as other Israel, your bullshit racial exclusion aregument falls apart.

Now now, you know there is a lot of discrimination against Arabs in Israel.

 

[José]

Democracy based on racial exclusion is an oxymoron.

So how is there "racial exclusion" when there are MKs who are Arab Muslims?

What you mean to say is that you want Israel to welcome millions of Arabs into the country to immediately create a majority that would vote the Jewish State our of existence.

Well, sorry, Skippy... that ain't happening.

History, here's a compromise solution I'm proposing to you.

Say this:

"Israel is not a democracy (in your words, "welcome millions of Arabs into the country") because it cannot afford to be one for security reasons."

I won't promise I will agree with you but at least you won't be raping Political Science anymore.

 

[José]

Which country in the Middle East is the closest to being a democracy ?

You didn't answer my question

Originally posted by Roudy
Jose Feliciano, when you consider that currently there are over 2 million Arab Muslim Israeli citizens with the same rights as other Israel, your bullshit racial exclusion aregument falls apart.

Well, I consider an jewish ethnocratic state that excludes more than 4 million natives from its electoral process to be every bit as vile, repugnant as a religious dictatorship like Iran that not only denies the iranian people the right to choose its top leaders but also imposes islamic laws on (millions of) secular iranians.

So much for "Feliciano"'s passionate support for the islamists who rule your former "host" country, huh Roudy?

 

[José]

Originally posted by toastman
Wait, so if Israel is a racial dictatorship, what does that make Hamas and the Palestinians ?

A vile, despicable theocratic party/government... this is what they are.

Toastman...you'll never hear from me that the partial islamisation of the rigorously, strictly secular palestinian cause was anything less than a disgrace, a tragedy.

I always shake my head in sadness and disbelief everytime I see posters expressing any kind of support for the palestinian religious parties and groups.

I mean what's the point in replacing a jewish racial dictatorship with a (equally opressive) islamic "religious dictatorship"? (another term I created)

Look, toastman...

I fully agree with you that for the most part the political scenario in the Middle East in the last 80, 60 years looks like a nightmare, a horror show.

An endless parade of military and civilian dictatorships, absolute monarchies, theocracies, etc, etc...

This is the only point we part ways on:

Israel, the jewish racial dictatorship, is part of this nightmare, not the exception to it.

 

[Roudy]

Jose Feliciano, when you consider that currently there are over 2 million Arab Muslim Israeli citizens with the same rights as other Israel, your bullshit racial exclusion aregument falls apart.

Now now, you know there is a lot of discrimination against Arabs in Israel.

Hi-ANUS, Israel is a democracy which gives the same legal rights to two million Arab citizens as the rest of Israeli citizens. That's about a quarter of its population. Which part of that don't you get?

If you want discrimination and racism, perhaps you should look at Muslim societies, including the Palestinians, who practice institutionalized Shariah shit laws that discriminate and oppress non Muslims and women.

PS. Did you come up with your screen name on your own? Congratulations, fits you perfectly.

 

[toastman]

Jose Feliciano, when you consider that currently there are over 2 million Arab Muslim Israeli citizens with the same rights as other Israel, your bullshit racial exclusion aregument falls apart.

Now now, you know there is a lot of discrimination against Arabs in Israel.

Hi-ANUS, Israel is a democracy which gives the same legal rights to two million Arab citizens as the rest of Israeli citizens. That's about a quarter of its population. Which part of that don't you get?

If you want discrimination and racism, perhaps you should look at Muslim societies, including the Palestinians, who practice institutionalized Shariah shit laws that discriminate and oppress non Muslims and women.

PS. Did you come up with your screen name on your own? Congratulations, fits you perfectly.

Palestinians are even treated very poorly as refugees in Jordan:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMVh9Iwf6Xk]The Humiliation of Palestinian Refugees (Full Movie) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Roudy]

Now now, you know there is a lot of discrimination against Arabs in Israel.

Hi-ANUS, Israel is a democracy which gives the same legal rights to two million Arab citizens as the rest of Israeli citizens. That's about a quarter of its population. Which part of that don't you get?

If you want discrimination and racism, perhaps you should look at Muslim societies, including the Palestinians, who practice institutionalized Shariah shit laws that discriminate and oppress non Muslims and women.

PS. Did you come up with your screen name on your own? Congratulations, fits you perfectly.

Palestinians are even treated very poorly as refugees in Jordan:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMVh9Iwf6Xk]The Humiliation of Palestinian Refugees (Full Movie) - YouTube[/ame]

Palestinians are the White Trash of the Arabs. Nobody wants them, mainly because they are nothing but trouble and bad news. And rightly so, if you look at what they've done in Lebanon, Kuwait, and Jordan. If the Palestinians went against the any of these Arab countries the way they do with Israel, there wouldn't be a single Palestinian left standing.

Black September in Jordan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The term Black September (Arabic: أيلول الأسود* aylūl al-aswad) refers to the Jordanian Civil War that began in September 1970 and ended in July of 1971. The conflict was fought between the two major components of the Jordanian population, the Palestinians represented by the Palestine Liberation Organisation under the leadership of Yasser Arafat and the Trans-Jordanians represented by the Jordanian Armed Forces under the leadership of King Hussein.[5] At its core the civil war sought to determine if Jordan would be ruled by the Palestine Liberation Organisation or the Hashemite Monarchy.[6] The war resulted in the deaths of thousands of people, the vast majority Palestinian.[3] Armed conflict lasted until July 1971 with the expulsion of the Palestine Liberation Organisation and thousands of Palestinian fighters to Lebanon.

Estimates of the number of the people killed in the ten days of Black September range from three thousand to more than five thousand, although exact numbers are unknown. The Palestinian death toll in 11 days of fighting was estimated by Jordan at 3,400, while Palestinian sources often cite the number 5,000, mainly civilians, killed. Arafat at some point claimed that 10,000 had been killed.[27][28] The Western reporters were concentrated at the Intercontinental Hotel, away from the action.[citation needed] Nasser's state-controlled Voice of the Arabs from Cairo reported genocide.
After September 1970[edit]

On October 31, 1970, Yasser Arafat signed a five-point agreement, which was similar to that signed in November 1968, and was designed to return control of the country exclusively to King Hussein. The agreement stated that members of the Palestinian organizations were expected to honor Jordanian laws, instructed them to dismantle their bases, and forbade them to walk around armed and in uniform in the cities and villages.
Had the Palestinians honored that agreement, Hussein would have had difficulties in continuing to act against them. But the PFLP and the DFLP – the two organizations to the left of Arafat – refused to accept its conditions. They called on their members to ignore the Jordanian government, and at a meeting of the Palestinian National Council, they were responsible for prompting the acceptance of the proposal that Transjordan would be part of the Palestinian state to be established in the future. The open defiance caused renewed conflict between the Palestinians and the Jordanian army, whose commanders were in any case eager to finish the work they had begun in September. At the beginning of November 1970, incidents of fighting erupted between members of the PFLP and DFLP and the Jordanian security forces. On November 9, Jordanian prime minister Wasfi al-Tal announced that in accordance with the agreement signed a month earlier, the authorities would no longer allow the Palestinians to walk around with weapons or to store explosives. The announcement was not honored, and the security forces received instructions to confiscate the Palestinians' weapons."

The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

 

[Hyrcanus]

...The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

The Israelis are greatful that the Palestinians haven't come back to negotiations. They know that any Israeli PM that seals a deal to give the Palestinians even 90% of the West Bank, will be assassinated.

 

[Roudy]

...The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

The Israelis are greatful that the Palestinians haven't come back to negotiations. They know that any Israeli PM that seals a deal to give the Palestinians even 90% of the West Bank, will be assassinated.

Nah, now you're just making shit up. Israelis were willing to give the West Bank and more during the Clinton years, in exchange for peace.

Like I said before, liberalism is a mental disorder.

 

[Hyrcanus]

Nah, now you're just making shit up....

No, that's what you do.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Jose Feliciano, when you consider that currently there are over 2 million Arab Muslim Israeli citizens with the same rights as other Israel, your bullshit racial exclusion aregument falls apart.

Now now, you know there is a lot of discrimination against Arabs in Israel.

Hi-ANUS, Israel is a democracy which gives the same legal rights to two million Arab citizens as the rest of Israeli citizens. That's about a quarter of its population. Which part of that don't you get?

If you want discrimination and racism, perhaps you should look at Muslim societies, including the Palestinians, who practice institutionalized Shariah shit laws that discriminate and oppress non Muslims and women.

PS. Did you come up with your screen name on your own? Congratulations, fits you perfectly.

Hyrcanus, in history, was the last ruler of Judea before the Romans took over. He also invited the Romans in, and was largely responsible for Judea's fall. Maybe that's why he picked that name.

 

[Hyrcanus]

Its ironic that this thread is about Israel not being like Apartheid, while we have a member calling for Israel to strip all non-Jews of their citizenship.

 

[Roudy]

Nah, now you're just making shit up....

No, that's what you do.

Hey Anus, No legitimate international body legal or otherwise, has classified Israel as a "racist state", asswipe.

That's why you're making up shit.

 

[Roudy]

Now now, you know there is a lot of discrimination against Arabs in Israel.

Hi-ANUS, Israel is a democracy which gives the same legal rights to two million Arab citizens as the rest of Israeli citizens. That's about a quarter of its population. Which part of that don't you get?

If you want discrimination and racism, perhaps you should look at Muslim societies, including the Palestinians, who practice institutionalized Shariah shit laws that discriminate and oppress non Muslims and women.

PS. Did you come up with your screen name on your own? Congratulations, fits you perfectly.

Hyrcanus, in history, was the last ruler of Judea before the Romans took over. He also invited the Romans in, and was largely responsible for Judea's fall. Maybe that's why he picked that name.

Yeah, Heil Hitler was taken. It's always about the mental masturbation to the destruction of Israel with these anti Semites.

 

[Roudy]

Its ironic that this thread is about Israel not being like Apartheid, while we have a member calling for Israel to strip all non-Jews of their citizenship.

What really ironic is morons like you accusing Israel of racism, considering the behavior exhibited by Palestinians and their Arab brethren in the region. You are a fucking joke.

 

[Hyrcanus]

Yeah, Heil Hitler was taken. It's always about the mental masturbation to the destruction of Israel with these anti Semites.

Stripping Gentiles of citizenship would destroy Israel.

 

[Roudy]

Yeah, Heil Hitler was taken. It's always about the mental masturbation to the destruction of Israel with these anti Semites.

Stripping Gentiles of citizenship would destroy Israel.

Anus, you realize that only neo Nazis and anti Semites use the term "Gentiles" when speaking of non Jews, right?

Which non Jews are you talking about, the Arab Muslims in the West Bank and Gaza, who were never Israelis to begin with, or the 2 million inside Israel proper who chose to become Israelis after the war, and now have full rights and even have members in the Israeli Knesset?

 

[Hyrcanus]

Stripping Gentiles of citizenship would destroy Israel.

But of course, many right-wing Zionists are masochists and don't care that their goals would destroy the Jewish state.

 

[Hyrcanus]

Wow, some folks just can't handle a mature discussion.