Plan to ban automatic deduction of public employee union dues clears House panel

[Missourian]

Again, if you really owned a business, you would know that nothing in business costs nothing. Electronic systems break down, data is entered wrong by employees, HR people spend time explaining the paperwork to set up the deductions, print or buy the forms that are signed for the deductions, all those deductions add hours to accounting and audit procedures. Payroll employees spent hours on the phone explaining deductions. IT people have to spend hours debugging the deduction system with every upgrade. Someone has to take the time to file the deduction paperwork. Someone has to take the time to shred that paperwork when the employee quits or retires. Someone has to print up a list to send to the union of all the changes in employment. Someone has to field questions from the union about discrepancy.

And that's just what I can think of off the top of my head.

And if you owned the business that you say you do, you'd have thought of them too.

Hello dinosaur, ever hear of redundancy?

Hello dinosaur, it's 2015, payroll departments are completely automated, as a matter of fact, my payroll department for 300+ employees is one person, and the ONLY reason she's there is fixing human error.

A whole 300 people?...How big do you think the payroll department is for the state of Louisiana? Do you think they are completely automated?

Or do you think they are a huge bureaucracy that have hard copies every form in triplicate?

Yes. Every State is automated.

Looks like a huge bureaucracy to me.

OSUP-Office of State Uniform Payroll Louisiana

 

[Little-Acorn]

[quot=Little-Acorn]Plan to ban automatic deduction of public employee union dues clears House panel


Good. Once that is passed and signed, then they can start working on a bill to ban automatic deduction of the rest of public dues (aka taxes) from our paychecks.

No more income tax withholding, Social Security withholding etc. You get the full amount your worked for, in every paycheck. "Net Pay" is the same as "Gross pay". And you write the checks yourself, to the various government agencies you owe taxes to, every two weeks (or whenever your paycheck comes). It will all come out exactly as it does today, won't it, liberals?

The only difference will be, for the first time the American people will witness firsthand how much they pay out of their own pockets, to support all the "free" stuff government hands out (which is the majority of the Federal budget).

And if you think they got a shock on Sept. 11, 2001, that's nothing compared to the nationwide shock they will get each time the get a paycheck... plus that notice of how much to pay to the government, in six or seven separate checks to six or seven different agencies.

It's the biggest single thing that can be done, to motivate the American people to start examining (most of them for the first time) just how much the government spends... and whose money they are spending. And the biggest thing that can be done to get them to rattle the doors of their representatives' offices and tell them what they think of so much money being spent out of THEIR pockets.

The huge government-uber-alles that kicked into high gear with the passage of the Federal Income Tax in 1913, and Automatic Withholding in the 1930s, will get jammed to a stop even more quickly, and returned back to the limited government the people authorized... which is about one-fifth the size of the present Borg.[/quote]

And here we go with the bull-shit from little-asshole.

Hey little-asshole, how much did the big-bad feds take of your ?hard earned monies? for 2014?

Have you noticed that when somebody suggests a plan that REALLY scares the big-govt liberals, they immediately go on the attack and start calling names, spluttering profanity, and generally ranting hysterically?

Happens every time.

You liberals aren't suggesting that people would dislike this plan, are you?

It wouldn't make any financial difference to anybody at all, you know. Their hourly pay would be exactly what it would be without the plan, and the amounts paid to government would likewise be exactly the same. There would be no difference at all.

So why are you so upset???

The only difference would be, that the people paying your big-govt salaries, would have to LOOK AND SEE exactly how much of their money was going to government. Every paycheck. The amounts wouldn't change from what they are paying now. They would just be more aware of what you liberals are costing them.

And that, of course, is what would destroy liberalism more thoroughly than any vote or campaign. People realizing exactly what the liberals are doing to them. And the liberals would become as despised as Osama Bin Laden. Maybe more so... because bin Laden only hit them once.

 

[OnePercenter]

Again, if you really owned a business, you would know that nothing in business costs nothing. Electronic systems break down, data is entered wrong by employees, HR people spend time explaining the paperwork to set up the deductions, print or buy the forms that are signed for the deductions, all those deductions add hours to accounting and audit procedures. Payroll employees spent hours on the phone explaining deductions. IT people have to spend hours debugging the deduction system with every upgrade. Someone has to take the time to file the deduction paperwork. Someone has to take the time to shred that paperwork when the employee quits or retires. Someone has to print up a list to send to the union of all the changes in employment. Someone has to field questions from the union about discrepancy.

And that's just what I can think of off the top of my head.

And if you owned the business that you say you do, you'd have thought of them too.

Hello dinosaur, ever hear of redundancy?

Hello dinosaur, it's 2015, payroll departments are completely automated, as a matter of fact, my payroll department for 300+ employees is one person, and the ONLY reason she's there is fixing human error.

A whole 300 people?...How big do you think the payroll department is for the state of Louisiana? Do you think they are completely automated?

Or do you think they are a huge bureaucracy that have hard copies every form in triplicate?

Yes. Every State is automated.

Looks like a huge bureaucracy to me.

OSUP-Office of State Uniform Payroll Louisiana

All automated too!

 

[Kosh]

Well there ya go, they can pay on line and save the cost of postage.

BTW what have you got against the postal workers union?

If you're not wealthy, paying on-line cost money.

The issue is forcing Union members to pay a fee to pay their dues.

What do Postal Workers have to do with this?

Yes we know you are a far left drone running the far left religious narrative.

If this passes then the unions claim they take care of their people, they could provide other avenues for people to pay their dues..

Also every year many people are forced to pay to get their hard earned money back from the government.

Does not seem to bother the most of the far left drones.

 

[OnePercenter]

Plan to ban automatic deduction of public employee union dues clears House panel


Good. Once that is passed and signed, then they can start working on a bill to ban automatic deduction of the rest of public dues (aka taxes) from our paychecks.

No more income tax withholding, Social Security withholding etc. You get the full amount your worked for, in every paycheck. "Net Pay" is the same as "Gross pay". And you write the checks yourself, to the various government agencies you owe taxes to, every two weeks (or whenever your paycheck comes). It will all come out exactly as it does today, won't it, liberals?

The only difference will be, for the first time the American people will witness firsthand how much they pay out of their own pockets, to support all the "free" stuff government hands out (which is the majority of the Federal budget).

And if you think they got a shock on Sept. 11, 2001, that's nothing compared to the nationwide shock they will get each time the get a paycheck... plus that notice of how much to pay to the government, in six or seven separate checks to six or seven different agencies.

It's the biggest single thing that can be done, to motivate the American people to start examining (most of them for the first time) just how much the government spends... and whose money they are spending. And the biggest thing that can be done to get them to rattle the doors of their representatives' offices and tell them what they think of so much money being spent out of THEIR pockets.

The huge government-uber-alles that kicked into high gear with the passage of the Federal Income Tax in 1913, and Automatic Withholding in the 1930s, will get jammed to a stop even more quickly, and returned back to the limited government the people authorized... which is about one-fifth the size of the present Borg.

And here we go with the bull-shit from little-asshole.

Hey little-asshole, how much did the big-bad feds take of your ?hard earned monies? for 2014?

Have you noticed that when somebody suggests a plan that REALLY scares the big-govt liberals, they immediately go on the attack and start calling names, spluttering profanity, and generally ranting hysterically?

Happens every time.

It's the generalized bull shit you spout without any real answers that frustrates me, and how people actually believe it amazes me.

 

[OnePercenter]

Yes we know you are a far left drone running the far left religious narrative.

If this passes then the unions claim they take care of their people, they could provide other avenues for people to pay their dues..

Also every year many people are forced to pay to get their hard earned money back from the government.

Does not seem to bother the most of the far left drones.

The issue is forcing Union members to pay a fee to pay their dues which is Republican for pay the good banks and screw workers.

Who is forced to pay to get their hard earned money back from the government?

 

[Kosh]

Yes we know you are a far left drone running the far left religious narrative.

If this passes then the unions claim they take care of their people, they could provide other avenues for people to pay their dues..

Also every year many people are forced to pay to get their hard earned money back from the government.

Does not seem to bother the most of the far left drones.

The issue is forcing Union members to pay a fee to pay their dues which is Republican for pay the good banks and screw workers.

Who is forced to pay to get their hard earned money back from the government?

See how the far left can only accept their religious narrative..

What fee are they paying other than the Union fee?

The union can come up with pother means to collect their money at no cost to anyone. Yet the far left mantra here is pushing an agenda based on a far left religious narrative..

 

[Little-Acorn]

It's the generalized bull shit you spout without any real answers that frustrates me, and how people actually believe it amazes me.

TRANSLATION: I can't refute a word of what you said, but I hate it anyway. So I'll attack the messenger instead, call you names, curse and swear, insult the American people who have been paying for all my programs, and shout "LIES! BULLSHIT!" over and over without identifying what you said that's "wrong", and hope somebody somewhere believes me.

 

[Papageorgio]

Why is it ok for Firms to use funds to lobby elected representatives, that may impact the bottom line of employees and stockholders?

Because the First Amendment says they can, moron.

The Canadian First Amendment?

How much do your workers pay on union dues?

 

[Papageorgio]

I think if workers had to write a check every payday for the taxes and other withholdings, I bet they would start paying closer attention to how the government spends their money.

 

[Kosh]

Plan to ban automatic deduction of public employee union dues clears House panel


Good. Once that is passed and signed, then they can start working on a bill to ban automatic deduction of the rest of public dues (aka taxes) from our paychecks.

No more income tax withholding, Social Security withholding etc. You get the full amount your worked for, in every paycheck. "Net Pay" is the same as "Gross pay". And you write the checks yourself, to the various government agencies you owe taxes to, every two weeks (or whenever your paycheck comes). It will all come out exactly as it does today, won't it, liberals?

The only difference will be, for the first time the American people will witness firsthand how much they pay out of their own pockets, to support all the "free" stuff government hands out (which is the majority of the Federal budget).

And if you think they got a shock on Sept. 11, 2001, that's nothing compared to the nationwide shock they will get each time the get a paycheck... plus that notice of how much to pay to the government, in six or seven separate checks to six or seven different agencies.

It's the biggest single thing that can be done, to motivate the American people to start examining (most of them for the first time) just how much the government spends... and whose money they are spending. And the biggest thing that can be done to get them to rattle the doors of their representatives' offices and tell them what they think of so much money being spent out of THEIR pockets.

The huge government-uber-alles that kicked into high gear with the passage of the Federal Income Tax in 1913, and Automatic Withholding in the 1930s, will get jammed to a stop even more quickly, and returned back to the limited government the people authorized... which is about one-fifth the size of the present Borg.

And here we go with the bull-shit from little-asshole.

Hey little-asshole, how much did the big-bad feds take of your ?hard earned monies? for 2014?

Have you noticed that when somebody suggests a plan that REALLY scares the big-govt liberals, they immediately go on the attack and start calling names, spluttering profanity, and generally ranting hysterically?

Happens every time.

It's the generalized bull shit you spout without any real answers that frustrates me, and how people actually believe it amazes me.

The comments of the irony impaired far left drones..

 

[Missourian]

All automated too!

About OSUP

Mission Statement: To administer and facilitate payroll services in a timely, accurate and professional manner; and to give quality service to agencies and vendors on the LaGov HCM system in accordance with executive policy and federal and state mandates.
OSUP implements and maintains requirements for the statewide payroll system (LaGov HCM) which pays approximately 51,000 state employees each payroll cycle encompassing a liability of about $61 million. This system centralizes payroll functions within the Division of Administration which result in the availability of timely, uniform payroll information. It accommodates greater efficiency in the payment of state employees, the accounting for payroll liabilities, and the transfer of money between funds while facilitating centralized cash management.

The OSUP staff coordinates efforts to ensure accurate and timely payments to vendors, to expedite payroll payable liquidation, to establish, maintain and monitor all statewide actions associated with garnished wages, and to assist agency personnel with all phases of the payroll process. OSUP issues directives and policies through the distribution of OSUP Memoranda.

OSUP-Office of State Uniform Payroll Louisiana

 

[danielpalos]

I believe some laws to be too arbitrary and capricious to be necessary or proper.

 

[Papageorgio]

I believe some laws to be too arbitrary and capricious to be necessary or proper.

That is why unions shouldn't have the dues taken out By the employer through payroll. Let the worker make that payment every month, to make sure they realize the costs and the benefits.

 

[danielpalos]

I believe some laws to be too arbitrary and capricious to be necessary or proper.

That is why unions shouldn't have the dues taken out By the employer through payroll. Let the worker make that payment every month, to make sure they realize the costs and the benefits.

Why not just have the union bill the Firm for payroll and let them handle their own issues.

 

[Papageorgio]

I believe some laws to be too arbitrary and capricious to be necessary or proper.

That is why unions shouldn't have the dues taken out By the employer through payroll. Let the worker make that payment every month, to make sure they realize the costs and the benefits.

Why not just have the union bill the Firm for payroll and let them handle their own issues.

Why should the firm take out the wages? It is between the union and the worker, have the union bill the individual and let the individual see how much they spend and what their return on investment is.

 

[bripat9643]

I believe some laws to be too arbitrary and capricious to be necessary or proper.

That is why unions shouldn't have the dues taken out By the employer through payroll. Let the worker make that payment every month, to make sure they realize the costs and the benefits.

Why not just have the union bill the Firm for payroll and let them handle their own issues.

As long as the firm can say "fuck you."

 

[danielpalos]

I believe some laws to be too arbitrary and capricious to be necessary or proper.

That is why unions shouldn't have the dues taken out By the employer through payroll. Let the worker make that payment every month, to make sure they realize the costs and the benefits.

Why not just have the union bill the Firm for payroll and let them handle their own issues.

Why should the firm take out the wages? It is between the union and the worker, have the union bill the individual and let the individual see how much they spend and what their return on investment is.

Why not just have the union bill the Firm for payroll and let them handle their own issues.

 

[danielpalos]

I believe some laws to be too arbitrary and capricious to be necessary or proper.

That is why unions shouldn't have the dues taken out By the employer through payroll. Let the worker make that payment every month, to make sure they realize the costs and the benefits.

Why not just have the union bill the Firm for payroll and let them handle their own issues.

As long as the firm can say "fuck you."

Why not just have the union bill the Firm for payroll and let them handle their own issues.

 

[bripat9643]

I believe some laws to be too arbitrary and capricious to be necessary or proper.

That is why unions shouldn't have the dues taken out By the employer through payroll. Let the worker make that payment every month, to make sure they realize the costs and the benefits.

Why not just have the union bill the Firm for payroll and let them handle their own issues.

Why should the firm take out the wages? It is between the union and the worker, have the union bill the individual and let the individual see how much they spend and what their return on investment is.

Why not just have the union bill the Firm for payroll and let them handle their own issues.

"Bill the firm" for what? What service has the union provided to the firm?