Planned Parenthood: False Allegations and the Clown Car

[TemplarKormac]

And a direct pot shot at Wry:

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I've cleaned up the thread. Stop flaming each other

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Show me where anyone in the medical ethics community suggests that harvesting tissue from deceased individuals for research purposes is unethical.

"deceased individuals" who have lived their life, who were born instead of being aborted and having their parts sold on the market. I have nothing wrong with using fully formed human cadavers as a means of research to cure diseases or better perfect our knowledge of human anatomy, but a human fetus is a whole other matter entirely.

Look, your whole argument has been a deflection. I saw plenty of desperate liberals like you and Wry try to spin this while passing by during the week.

He who has eyes, let him see; he who has ears, let him hear. The video speaks for itself.

It is illegal to sell body parts from anyone at anytime. A deceased person is just that whether a fetus or an adult. I don't see the difference at all. Somehow it's better for you to cremate or otherwise dispose of the remains rather than be used for research with consent. I see no difference. The AMA uses the same ethical guidelines for both fetal and all other tissue harvesting.

 

[TemplarKormac]

A deceased person is just that whether a fetus or an adult.

Wait a minute. I thought fetuses weren't people? Have I missed something here? You are desperately trying to spin this, and I won't let you. This is a truly pathetic attempt to justify the barbarity we saw in those videos. The right to abort is so sacrosanct, that even after all of that, you still defend what Planned Parenthood has done.

 

[IsaacNewton]

From Factcheck.org

"The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues."

"In a statement made to CNN, another presidential candidate, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, called the practice discussed in the video a “clear violation of federal law.” The “sale” of organs, both adult and fetal, for transplantation is indeed illegal, but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law.

"Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee"

"Rick Perry, July 14: The video showing a Planned Parenthood employee selling the body parts of aborted children is a disturbing reminder of the organization’s penchant for profiting off the tragedy of a destroyed human life."

"Rand Paul, July 14: … a video showing [Planned Parenthood]’s top doctor describing how she performs late-term abortions to sell body parts for profit!"

"Carly Fiorina, July 14: This latest news is tragic and outrageous. This isn’t about “choice.” It’s about profiting on the death of the unborn while telling women it’s about empowerment."

Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video

This is quid pro quo for conservatives these days. Lie, have many other people repeat the lie, and claim its truth. Then when you are called on the lie don't retract it, just say "well I heard it from these various sources".

Its an underhanded masturbatory way of creating false authority so the dull-bulbs in the Republican base will get seething and motivated.

Republicans don't have anything else of value to sell, so they have become manipulators and sellers of the big lie. Faux News and con-media, along with all the fake conservative 'think tanks' are the lie machine.

Watch to see if any of the Republicans that repeated this lie will now back-track and take it back. They won't.

 

[Redfish]

OK, dude. pay attention. when you get paid money to deliver something, you are selling it.

No you're not, you're delivering. UPS gets paid, but they're not selling, they're delivering.

UPS is selling a service. PP was extracting the organs from murdered unborn humans and then selling them. They may have uses UPS to deliver them, who knows or cares?

They're delivering biological samples. Even if PP does use UPS, UPS has to be paid. That's a long way from actually selling body parts.

of course they are selling body parts. They are charging a fee plus shipping cost------------they are SELLING them.

 

[Redfish]

"The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues."

Correct.

And $30 to $100 is well within the range of the normal, average costs for handling and transportation.

Planned Parenthood has done nothing 'illegal,' their practices comply with the law.

Of course, few on the right will acknowledge these facts – instead they seek to propagate the ridiculous lie that Planned Parenthood 'broke the law.'

If one person provides something in exchange for money, its called a sale. PP is SELLING body parts from aborted unborn human beings.

 

[jon_berzerk]

From Factcheck.org

"The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues."

"In a statement made to CNN, another presidential candidate, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, called the practice discussed in the video a “clear violation of federal law.” The “sale” of organs, both adult and fetal, for transplantation is indeed illegal, but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law.

"Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee"

"Rick Perry, July 14: The video showing a Planned Parenthood employee selling the body parts of aborted children is a disturbing reminder of the organization’s penchant for profiting off the tragedy of a destroyed human life."

"Rand Paul, July 14: … a video showing [Planned Parenthood]’s top doctor describing how she performs late-term abortions to sell body parts for profit!"

"Carly Fiorina, July 14: This latest news is tragic and outrageous. This isn’t about “choice.” It’s about profiting on the death of the unborn while telling women it’s about empowerment."

Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video

when did they start doing abortions for free

last i heard they get up to 800 bucks a shot or more

 

[Redfish]

From Factcheck.org

"The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues."

"In a statement made to CNN, another presidential candidate, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, called the practice discussed in the video a “clear violation of federal law.” The “sale” of organs, both adult and fetal, for transplantation is indeed illegal, but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law.

"Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee"

"Rick Perry, July 14: The video showing a Planned Parenthood employee selling the body parts of aborted children is a disturbing reminder of the organization’s penchant for profiting off the tragedy of a destroyed human life."

"Rand Paul, July 14: … a video showing [Planned Parenthood]’s top doctor describing how she performs late-term abortions to sell body parts for profit!"

"Carly Fiorina, July 14: This latest news is tragic and outrageous. This isn’t about “choice.” It’s about profiting on the death of the unborn while telling women it’s about empowerment."

Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video

This is quid pro quo for conservatives these days. Lie, have many other people repeat the lie, and claim its truth. Then when you are called on the lie don't retract it, just say "well I heard it from these various sources".

Its an underhanded masturbatory way of creating false authority so the dull-bulbs in the Republican base will get seething and motivated.

Republicans don't have anything else of value to sell, so they have become manipulators and sellers of the big lie. Faux News and con-media, along with all the fake conservative 'think tanks' are the lie machine.

Watch to see if any of the Republicans that repeated this lie will now back-track and take it back. They won't.

there were no lies in the PP videos and stories. The only liars are you libtards who are trying to claim that PP is not harvesting fetal organs for sale.

The next PP project will be to pay women to become pregnant in order to produce fetal organs for sale. A PP fetal organ farm, liberal utopia.

 

[BlueGin]

De Nile - it's just a river anymore!

But relax. If somehow the baby-parts business gets shut down you got a great future in used car sales.

Maybe the PP executives and their supporters can donate their own organs for the greater good.

 

[jon_berzerk]

OK, dude. pay attention. when you get paid money to deliver something, you are selling it.

No you're not, you're delivering. UPS gets paid, but they're not selling, they're delivering.

UPS is selling a service. PP was extracting the organs from murdered unborn humans and then selling them. They may have uses UPS to deliver them, who knows or cares?

They're delivering biological samples. Even if PP does use UPS, UPS has to be paid. That's a long way from actually selling body parts.

of course they are selling body parts. They are charging a fee plus shipping cost------------they are SELLING them.

a "handling" fee

 

[Redfish]

From Factcheck.org

"The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues."

"In a statement made to CNN, another presidential candidate, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, called the practice discussed in the video a “clear violation of federal law.” The “sale” of organs, both adult and fetal, for transplantation is indeed illegal, but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law.

"Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee"

"Rick Perry, July 14: The video showing a Planned Parenthood employee selling the body parts of aborted children is a disturbing reminder of the organization’s penchant for profiting off the tragedy of a destroyed human life."

"Rand Paul, July 14: … a video showing [Planned Parenthood]’s top doctor describing how she performs late-term abortions to sell body parts for profit!"

"Carly Fiorina, July 14: This latest news is tragic and outrageous. This isn’t about “choice.” It’s about profiting on the death of the unborn while telling women it’s about empowerment."

Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video

when did they start doing abortions for free

last i heard they get up to 800 bucks a shot or more

Wrong, the american taxpayers are paying those fees by congression funding of PP. The poor welfare mothers are not being charged.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Like I said in another forum. We have obama care now. No need for planned parenthood, put that money some where else.

Are you a women? Do you know the full range of services provided by PP? Do you know the gaps which may exist in service to women?

You have a right to your opinion, but in expressing it, it is important to explain why if you hope to be credible.

A women? You mean a woman? A woman has obama care now, she can find a doctor that actually cares for her. Instead of wanting her to have an abortion so they can sell it's organs and limbs.

big pharma racking

From Factcheck.org

"The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues."

"In a statement made to CNN, another presidential candidate, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, called the practice discussed in the video a “clear violation of federal law.” The “sale” of organs, both adult and fetal, for transplantation is indeed illegal, but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law.

"Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee"

"Rick Perry, July 14: The video showing a Planned Parenthood employee selling the body parts of aborted children is a disturbing reminder of the organization’s penchant for profiting off the tragedy of a destroyed human life."

"Rand Paul, July 14: … a video showing [Planned Parenthood]’s top doctor describing how she performs late-term abortions to sell body parts for profit!"

"Carly Fiorina, July 14: This latest news is tragic and outrageous. This isn’t about “choice.” It’s about profiting on the death of the unborn while telling women it’s about empowerment."

Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video

when did they start doing abortions for free

last i heard they get up to 800 bucks a shot or more

Wrong, the american taxpayers are paying those fees by congression funding of PP. The poor welfare mothers are not being charged.

i certainly am not wrong

regardless of who is paying for them pp already gets a lot of money before

they sell off the baby body parts and organs

 

[konradv]

a "handling" fee

Correct, besides delivery costs, clinic workers need to be paid.

 

[jon_berzerk]

a "handling" fee

Correct, besides delivery costs, clinic workers need to be paid.

a "handling" fee

Correct, besides delivery costs, clinic workers need to be paid.

which is bs because they already are saying they are selling them for cost

which would include a handling fee

cant lose those pp $$profits$$

but hey thanks for admitting it

 

[BlueGin]

a "handling" fee

Correct, besides delivery costs, clinic workers need to be paid.

So... their supporters can send them a donation.

They don't need to be funded by the government now that we have the ACA providing low income women the same services.

 

[jon_berzerk]

a "handling" fee

Correct, besides delivery costs, clinic workers need to be paid.

So... their supporters can send them a donation.

They don't need to be funded by the government now that we have the ACA providing low income women the same services.

exactly

 

[Redfish]

Like I said in another forum. We have obama care now. No need for planned parenthood, put that money some where else.

Are you a women? Do you know the full range of services provided by PP? Do you know the gaps which may exist in service to women?

You have a right to your opinion, but in expressing it, it is important to explain why if you hope to be credible.

A women? You mean a woman? A woman has obama care now, she can find a doctor that actually cares for her. Instead of wanting her to have an abortion so they can sell it's organs and limbs.

big pharma racking

From Factcheck.org

"The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues."

"In a statement made to CNN, another presidential candidate, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, called the practice discussed in the video a “clear violation of federal law.” The “sale” of organs, both adult and fetal, for transplantation is indeed illegal, but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law.

"Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee"

"Rick Perry, July 14: The video showing a Planned Parenthood employee selling the body parts of aborted children is a disturbing reminder of the organization’s penchant for profiting off the tragedy of a destroyed human life."

"Rand Paul, July 14: … a video showing [Planned Parenthood]’s top doctor describing how she performs late-term abortions to sell body parts for profit!"

"Carly Fiorina, July 14: This latest news is tragic and outrageous. This isn’t about “choice.” It’s about profiting on the death of the unborn while telling women it’s about empowerment."

Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video

when did they start doing abortions for free

last i heard they get up to 800 bucks a shot or more

Wrong, the american taxpayers are paying those fees by congression funding of PP. The poor welfare mothers are not being charged.

i certainly am not wrong

regardless of who is paying for them pp already gets a lot of money before

they sell off the baby body parts and organs

I think we are saying the same thing using different words.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Like I said in another forum. We have obama care now. No need for planned parenthood, put that money some where else.

Are you a women? Do you know the full range of services provided by PP? Do you know the gaps which may exist in service to women?

You have a right to your opinion, but in expressing it, it is important to explain why if you hope to be credible.

A women? You mean a woman? A woman has obama care now, she can find a doctor that actually cares for her. Instead of wanting her to have an abortion so they can sell it's organs and limbs.

big pharma racking

From Factcheck.org

"The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues."

"In a statement made to CNN, another presidential candidate, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, called the practice discussed in the video a “clear violation of federal law.” The “sale” of organs, both adult and fetal, for transplantation is indeed illegal, but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law.

"Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee"

"Rick Perry, July 14: The video showing a Planned Parenthood employee selling the body parts of aborted children is a disturbing reminder of the organization’s penchant for profiting off the tragedy of a destroyed human life."

"Rand Paul, July 14: … a video showing [Planned Parenthood]’s top doctor describing how she performs late-term abortions to sell body parts for profit!"

"Carly Fiorina, July 14: This latest news is tragic and outrageous. This isn’t about “choice.” It’s about profiting on the death of the unborn while telling women it’s about empowerment."

Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video

when did they start doing abortions for free

last i heard they get up to 800 bucks a shot or more

Wrong, the american taxpayers are paying those fees by congression funding of PP. The poor welfare mothers are not being charged.

i certainly am not wrong

regardless of who is paying for them pp already gets a lot of money before

they sell off the baby body parts and organs

I think we are saying the same thing using different words.

yes

 

[Dot Com]

If PP was selling puppy organs their funding would have been cut off immediately. Or heaven forbid, lion organs from lions killed by hunters.

our society is very screwed up right now.

You and the person who thanked you for your post need to read the link. Or, you can continue to lie by inference. PP DID NOT sell body parts, of course that fact will not disabuse you and her, as proud and loud members of the echo chamber.

The truth should make you mute, sadly it never does.

OK, dude. pay attention. when you get paid money to deliver something, you are selling it.

Okay dude, what ever you say. Feel free to continue to prove you're a partisan hack who does not value the truth.

From the OP: "The “sale” of organs, both adult and fetal, for transplantation is indeed illegal, but donation of tissue — both from aborted fetuses and from adults — is not. And payment for “reasonable” costs is also allowed under the law.

Looks like thats the end of the latest repub base national crisis :yawn: