Plastic bag ban, don't let this insanity happen to you

[Rustic]

Sounds like another great way to fuck the poor. Excellent.

The poor should be buying LED bulbs. If they can't handle that, they deserve to starve.

Everyone should buy the lightbulbs they want to buy, fuck the tree huggers.

 

[Rustic]

Why do Americans make a HUGE deal about every.little.thing. Everything is an infringement on your freedom. Haven't you ever heard the expression "Don't sweat the small stuff".

Between the hand wringing over light bulbs, gay marriage (which is a non-issue unless you're gay), and now plastic bags, you seem to look for things to get pissed off about.

Petty fucking progressive government are the ones that are trying to control people with this fucked up shit that is environmentalism… But you're stupid bitch

 

[Rustic]

Cons bitching about bags and bulbs, and guns.

Where are all the horror stories "my god I haven't used an incandescent light bulb for 5 years and I can't see anymore". "How old are you?" "82! And I can't see any more."

Cons, sit back for one day and listen to you and your cohort. You people whine about everything. All the world is against YOU and they are the reason YOU are miserable. A hint, it isn't everyone else.

The nanny state only works for progressives, keep that fucking shit to yourselves

 

[Rustic]

I'd vote against them if it was up for a vote. It is against the poor that have to walk their stuff home and that is the way I grew up. It is wrong.

Paper bags break too easily and your stuff gets all over the street.

If we killed all the poor, then what would you do for excuses? Seriously, those ultra-light grocery bags are too weak to depend on them if you're walking any distance. I'd think the poor would be delighted to save money and bring their own sturdy bag to a store that doesn't give away "free bags" by increasing the price of the groceries.

What's wrong with everyone choosing the bags they want to use? And not getting taxed…

 

[Pete7469]

The pukes in Austin passed the ban.

I spend as little as possible in the city, so I really don't care.

If people weren't such assholes and properly disposed of them there would be no real validity to it, but the bags have killed cattle, and that big plastic patch in the ocean is a problem.

 

[Rustic]

Government control over the production and distribution of goods and services is fascism. Fascist environmentalists seem clueless about the possibility that they will need to chop down more trees to make paper bags or that the so-called cloth bags are made from petro chemicals. Everything is symbolism over substance in the people's republik of California, pot head Jerry, Gov.

I'm doubtful about the economic value of mandatory recycling, not to mention other negatives. Maybe that is symbolism over substance. I don't know how much practical value comes from charging for grocery bags. But, I do know only ignoramuses have an objection to switching to LED bulbs.

Recycling should be 100% voluntary, as should bag and lightbulb usage… 100% choice.
Anything else is Petty and cowardly

 

[Rustic]

Wrong, douche bag. In the first place, we aren't miserable. Pointing out the left's constant attempt to control how everyone lives doesn't constitute "whining." Such claims are ironic coming from the morons who whined about so-called "gay marriage" and gays in the military and trannies in women's bathrooms for years.

You are correct. The libtard mentality is to control EVERYTHING. After every control victory, they move on to the next thing (right now, cleansing the South of symbols of southern heritage, then they'll come after all early white Americans).

There is not one iota of respect for tolerance or freedom in the libtard brain.

So, of course, bag ban, yes. Don't need to think about it. Bad bulb ban, yes, no need to think about it. Mandatory recycling, yes, no need to think about it. Being a libtard means never needing to think. You just support your leaders in trying to control everyone and everything.

That aside, there is a legitimate issue of balancing personal freedom vs. public good. This is why we have traffic laws. But, personal freedoms shouldn't be turned into crimes and no one should be compelled to do anything that violates their sincerely held beliefs. An excise tax on incandescent bulbs, even a ban, does result in a great deal of good without making anyone a criminal and without forcing anyone to violate their sincerely held beliefs. It doesn't even inconvenience anyone in the least.

Charging for plastic bags and mandatory recycling, though, have an uphill battle. Their economic value is dubious. They are inconvenient. But, at least, they don't violate anyone's sincerely held beliefs.

Why should anyone be telling anyone else what to do when it comes to recycling/bulb usage/bag usage Etc?

 

[BulletProof]

Your so called green bulbs wouldn't exist without subsidies and a market distortion created by government favoring one technology over another.

I'm not aware of significant government subsides for LEDs, but if the government is responsible for the existence of LED bulbs, it was the best investment the government ever made. Not only are LEDs already saving America billions of dollars per year, but the whole world gets a ride on that gravy train.

The significant contribution of the government was phasing in a ban of old style incandescents, spurring private investment into more efficient lighting.

It's interesting that you sill refuse to acknowledge that you cannot even begin give a reason for a rational consumer to buy an incandescent bulb for typical use. I have no respect for you because you refuse to acknowledge this simple point: Only ignorance leads people to choose incandescent bulbs, and that ignorance comes with a price for both the consumer and the country.

 

[Rustic]

You aren't a libertarian. You're a goose stepping fascist douche bag.

I don't lose my libertarian credentials because I advocate an excise tax on something no one needs nor wants, other than out of raw ignorance. Only anarchists and ignoramuses could object to an excise tax on incandescent light bulbs.

When I say raw ignorance, I don't mean ignorant in the way libtards do "You disagree with me, so you're ignorant". I mean, pure lack of knowledge. Like the idiot who insists he's saving money with 300W incandescent light bulbs. They're literally costing him many times over what he could get with LED bulbs. He's too damn stupid to factor in the cost of electricity and replacement bulbs.

Any tax is wasted because it goes to the federal government. They know nothing when it comes to economics. I don't buy lightbulbs to save energy I buy lightbulbs to light an area. I've bought the same bulbs for 20+ years, why should I have to change now? Light bulb should be you are 100% choice, only control freaks are concerned about anyone else's lightbulb usage.

Mod edit - blown quote back AGAIN

 

[Rustic]

300W bulbs? Most breakers are 10A. 3 per circuit max. Some fixtures have 5-8 bulbs. Bathroom, chandilier. Garage door opener will melt. Many things say 60W max. LED use 100W no issue, little heat generated.

I use LED (after resisting due to cost). West facing outdoor night lights last longer if LED, worth the cost. Easier to clean. I used to go through 100W yellow bulbs like candy. No mas. Inside? LED work fine.

People should use what they want to use, the 300 W lightbulbs i use were originally made for barns, pole barns, hangers, quonset huts etc.
I Get a pack of 25 of them for just over 20 bucks They last a few months each... I don't see a problem nor should anyone else… LOL

 

[Rustic]

Your so called green bulbs wouldn't exist without subsidies and a market distortion created by government favoring one technology over another.

I'm not aware of significant government subsides for LEDs, but if the government is responsible for the existence of LED bulbs, it was the best investment the government ever made. Not only are LEDs already saving America billions of dollars per year, but the whole world gets a ride on that gravy train.

The significant contribution of the government was phasing in a ban of old style incandescents, spurring private investment into more efficient lighting.

It's interesting that you sill refuse to acknowledge that you cannot even begin give a reason for a rational consumer to buy an incandescent bulb for typical use. I have no respect for you because you refuse to acknowledge this simple point: Only ignorance leads people to choose incandescent bulbs, and that ignorance comes with a price for both the consumer and the country.

Use whatever lightbulbs you want, I don't give two shits. Neither should you

 

[Dragonlady]

Why do Americans make a HUGE deal about every.little.thing. Everything is an infringement on your freedom. Haven't you ever heard the expression "Don't sweat the small stuff".

Between the hand wringing over light bulbs, gay marriage (which is a non-issue unless you're gay), and now plastic bags, you seem to look for things to get pissed off about.

Petty fucking progressive government are the ones that are trying to control people with this fucked up shit that is environmentalism… But you're stupid bitch

I changed every lightbulb in our 2-storey, 3 bedroom, 2 bathroom house over to compact fluorescents, using coupons to reduce the cost. Our electricity use and our went down by 2/3, and in the 6 years we lived in that house after we switched, 2 bulbs had to be replaced.

Conservatives have to be beaten over the head with government regulation to make any forward progress.

I suppose that you're still pissed you can't drive your horse and buggy to work.

 

[Rustic]

Why do Americans make a HUGE deal about every.little.thing. Everything is an infringement on your freedom. Haven't you ever heard the expression "Don't sweat the small stuff".

Between the hand wringing over light bulbs, gay marriage (which is a non-issue unless you're gay), and now plastic bags, you seem to look for things to get pissed off about.

Petty fucking progressive government are the ones that are trying to control people with this fucked up shit that is environmentalism… But you're stupid bitch

I changed every lightbulb in our 2-storey, 3 bedroom, 2 bathroom house over to compact fluorescents, using coupons to reduce the cost. Our electricity use and our went down by 2/3, and in the 6 years we lived in that house after we switched, 2 bulbs had to be replaced.

Conservatives have to be beaten over the head with government regulation to make any forward progress.

I suppose that you're still pissed you can't drive your horse and buggy to work.

Well, The lightbulbs i like to use - like I said cost just over $20 for a pack of 25. They last a few months each probably cost me a pennys a day to use. Basically pocket change.
I will never recycle because it makes no sense to me, you better pay me a lot of money to play around in the garbage.

Government regulation saves nothing, saves nobody and it is all about control... are you stupid in the head?

 

[petro]

Your so called green bulbs wouldn't exist without subsidies and a market distortion created by government favoring one technology over another.

I'm not aware of significant government subsides for LEDs, but if the government is responsible for the existence of LED bulbs, it was the best investment the government ever made. Not only are LEDs already saving America billions of dollars per year, but the whole world gets a ride on that gravy train.

The significant contribution of the government was phasing in a ban of old style incandescents, spurring private investment into more efficient lighting.

It's interesting that you sill refuse to acknowledge that you cannot even begin give a reason for a rational consumer to buy an incandescent bulb for typical use. I have no respect for you because you refuse to acknowledge this simple point: Only ignorance leads people to choose incandescent bulbs, and that ignorance comes with a price for both the consumer and the country.

Use whatever lightbulbs you want, I don't give two shits. Neither should you

I am rather amazed by the obsession over a fucking bulb. Pennies in comparison to the fuel I burn with my toys.
Anal retentive control freaks.

 

[Rustic]

That's the problem with the collective when a person joins the collective they lose all commonsense

 

[BulletProof]

I changed every lightbulb in our 2-storey, 3 bedroom, 2 bathroom house over to compact fluorescents, using coupons to reduce the cost. Our electricity use and our went down by 2/3, and in the 6 years we lived in that house after we switched, 2 bulbs had to be replaced.

Conservatives have to be beaten over the head with government regulation to make any forward progress.

I suppose that you're still pissed you can't drive your horse and buggy to work.

I'm not a big fan of compact florescents. They have a lot of small negatives, even if two big positives (lower power and longer life than incandescents). I started using LEDs about ten years ago, and have never needed to replace one. Current LEDs are nearly perfect in every way.

Yes, wanting to use incandescents is like wanting to use horse and buggy on the streets. It's stupid and the government rightly disfavors it. The Amish have a religious objection to cars, but not to LEDs. They won't hesitate to use an LED over an incandescent.

These people not wanting LEDs aren't conservatives, they're ignoramuses. They lack the capacity to appreciate the vast superiority of the LED and the total absence of any reason not use LEDs in most applications. They also ignore the cost to the general public of their "private" choice, such as pollution and higher electric rates.

These people take "Let the market decide" to a crass extreme. No one is being inconvenienced nor forced to violate sincerely held beliefs.

 

[petro]

Why do Americans make a HUGE deal about every.little.thing. Everything is an infringement on your freedom. Haven't you ever heard the expression "Don't sweat the small stuff".

Between the hand wringing over light bulbs, gay marriage (which is a non-issue unless you're gay), and now plastic bags, you seem to look for things to get pissed off about.

Petty fucking progressive government are the ones that are trying to control people with this fucked up shit that is environmentalism… But you're stupid bitch

I changed every lightbulb in our 2-storey, 3 bedroom, 2 bathroom house over to compact fluorescents, using coupons to reduce the cost. Our electricity use and our went down by 2/3, and in the 6 years we lived in that house after we switched, 2 bulbs had to be replaced.

Conservatives have to be beaten over the head with government regulation to make any forward progress.

I suppose that you're still pissed you can't drive your horse and buggy to work.

There are some called Amish who actually do drive their horse and buggy to work. They are the only ones living green as they have no use for electricity.
You live in a modern dwelling consuming products and using technology made from toxic chemicals and heavy metals to post how you saved a few pennies from your use of a bulb.
Way to go.

 

[Rustic]

I changed every lightbulb in our 2-storey, 3 bedroom, 2 bathroom house over to compact fluorescents, using coupons to reduce the cost. Our electricity use and our went down by 2/3, and in the 6 years we lived in that house after we switched, 2 bulbs had to be replaced.

Conservatives have to be beaten over the head with government regulation to make any forward progress.

I suppose that you're still pissed you can't drive your horse and buggy to work.

I'm not a big fan of compact florescents. They have a lot of small negatives, even if two big positives (lower power and longer life than incandescents). I started using LEDs about ten years ago, and have never needed to replace one. Current LEDs are nearly perfect in every way.

Yes, wanting to use incandescents is like wanting to use horse and buggy on the streets. It's stupid and the government rightly disfavors it. The Amish have a religious objection to cars, but not to LEDs. They won't hesitate to use an LED over an incandescent.

These people not wanting LEDs aren't conservatives, they're ignoramuses. They lack the capacity to appreciate the vast superiority of the LED and the total absence of any reason not use LEDs in most applications. They also ignore the cost to the general public of their "private" choice, such as pollution and higher electric rates.

These people take "Let the market decide" to a crass extreme. No one is being inconvenienced nor forced to violate sincerely held beliefs.

Why do you care what people use for lightbulbs? Like I said the lightbulbs I buy cost less than a dollar apiece and only pennies a day to use them and they last a few months each. No big deal
I think I'll stick with the lightbulbs I have been using for the last 20+ years… It's really none of the governments business

 

[MaryL]

California "banned" plastic bags.

The businesses were all onboard, because all it meant for them is they charge 10 cents per bag, now.

It was all well and good, until a couple years later California passed another law that said , "send that bag money up to us for taxes"

At first, people tried to do what they were supposed to, they bought reusable bags and brought them to the store.

Now, the checkers scan the crap, and just stand there. You bring your own bag, now they want YOU to bag it. It was worth the 10 cents to put their ass back to work.

You buy bags at the store and they ask you "How many bags you want?"..."i don't fkn know"

The latest chapter is, you buy a plastic bag and they throw it with all the other crap you bought, and expect YOU to bag it yourself. They're trying to eliminate the bag-boy jobs.

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Last week I go to the store, and I swear, some woman walked out with a 2' x 2' x 3' plastic bin with all her sht in it.

I go into the store, buy a bunch of stuff, the girl at the counter tells me "sorry we don't have ANY bags today"

I said "Well, it looks like i'm walking out with your handcart then"

(I should have stole it)




...and the funny part, California's "plastic bag ban" means plastic bags are 10 cents each.




I can't tell you how much I miss going to the store with no bag issues

I don't know what to tell you. I use cloth bags all the time, and recycle plastic bags and bottles all the time. As a human being. I think of the so called "Gilligans Island" or the dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico.

 

[petro]

California "banned" plastic bags.

The businesses were all onboard, because all it meant for them is they charge 10 cents per bag, now.

It was all well and good, until a couple years later California passed another law that said , "send that bag money up to us for taxes"

At first, people tried to do what they were supposed to, they bought reusable bags and brought them to the store.

Now, the checkers scan the crap, and just stand there. You bring your own bag, now they want YOU to bag it. It was worth the 10 cents to put their ass back to work.

You buy bags at the store and they ask you "How many bags you want?"..."i don't fkn know"

The latest chapter is, you buy a plastic bag and they throw it with all the other crap you bought, and expect YOU to bag it yourself. They're trying to eliminate the bag-boy jobs.

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Last week I go to the store, and I swear, some woman walked out with a 2' x 2' x 3' plastic bin with all her sht in it.

I go into the store, buy a bunch of stuff, the girl at the counter tells me "sorry we don't have ANY bags today"

I said "Well, it looks like i'm walking out with your handcart then"

(I should have stole it)




...and the funny part, California's "plastic bag ban" means plastic bags are 10 cents each.




I can't tell you how much I miss going to the store with no bag issues

I don't know what to tell you. I use cloth bags all the time, and recycle plastic bags and bottles all the time. As a human being. I think of the so called "Gilligans Island" or the dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico.

A lot of that debris is from plastic bottles, syringes, wasteful packaging and pretty much anything containing plastic. The polymers only get smaller over hundreds of years and never really degrade back to the environment.
Banning a degradable product such as paper which also recycles easily really makes no sense as even the reusable bags use modern toxic processes to create it.
And where does it eventually end up? The landfill or that ocean mass.