Poland offers US up to $2B for permanent military base

[westwall]

Idiotic move....

For so many reasons... In a fight you need Germany beside you if possible...

How about Trump stop being an asshole? He is getting the US beaten everyday... China are laughing... Trump has made US the laughing stock of the world...

Why? We've beaten them twice in world wars, and their military now is a joke. Other than having some good equipment their soldiers suck except for their GSG9.

 

[kaz]

Very smart move by Poland.......

That country spends about $10 billion yearly on defense.....

Its worth the $2 B to let the U.S.take the role; THAT would save quite a few billions for them....Of course, our U.S. budget will have to subsidize the effort.

You think they'll shut down their military? That's just stupid. Are you ever not an idiot?

 

[kaz]

I would guess the cost to set our military up in Poland would exceed $2 billion by a wide margin.

The two billion if you read the articles is actually roughly the expected cost of building the base. I'm not arguing for the base, just addressing your question

 

[eagle1462010]

Britain and France declare war on Germany - Sep 03, 1939 - HISTORY.com

As for Britain’s response, it was initially no more than the dropping of anti-Nazi propaganda leaflets—13 tons of them—over Germany. They would begin bombing German ships on September 4, suffering significant losses. They were also working under orders not to harm German civilians. The German military, of course, had no such restrictions. France would begin an offensive against Germany’s western border two weeks later. Their effort was weakened by a narrow 90-mile window leading to the German front, enclosed by the borders of Luxembourg and Belgium—both neutral countries. The Germans mined the passage, stalling the French offensive.

When The French Army Invaded Germany in 1939 To Support Poland, All Did Not Go As Planned

Germany was not the first country to go on the offensive on the western front of World War Two. That first attack came from France, which launched a brief and ineffective invasion of Germany in September 1939. This

That first attack came from France, which launched a brief and ineffective invasion of Germany in September 1939. This attack, intended to help the far-away Poles, became an embarrassing defeat and a harbinger of what would follow when Germany invaded France.

What followed was Operation Saar, an invasion of the German region of Saarland. Unfortunately for the French, the restrictions that bound them to this plan would also ensure its failure.

The French did not want to violate the neutrality of Belgium by taking armed forces across its territory. As a result, they could only attack Germany along a limited front. This front had been defined 125 years earlier, during the peace process following the Napoleonic wars, when the rest of Europe was concerned with containing French aggression. It gave the Germans the advantage of the defensive high ground.

Still, the French had made a promise to Poland, and they lived up to it. On 7 September they invaded Saarland with a limited force, which was due to be followed by a full-scale invasion a few weeks later. Forty divisions were sent in, with 4,700 artillery and 2,400 tanks.

Facing them were 22 divisions and less than 100 artillery pieces of the German 1st Army.

 

[kaz]

Poland has a 124 mile border with Russia.

That border used to be Poland. Russia took a big chunk of Poland after the second war to end all wars

 

[kaz]

Poland, our best ally in Europe? God, when that becomes the case then we know we've lost a lot of credibility around the globe.

The snowflake conception of "credibility" means groveling before the countries that kick us in the ass every chance they get.

No, it means when they don't point at your leader and laugh.

That's your fantasy, not your embarassment

 

[eagle1462010]

The French attacked with 40 divisions on Sept. 7th, 1939.

They declared War on Germany 2 days after the invasion of Poland.

England immobilized and moved to support France within the first week.

The French attacked on a narrow strip of ground and only advanced 5 miles.

Saar Offensive (Sep. 7–16, 1939) Summary & Facts

 

[eagle1462010]

Poland has a 124 mile border with Russia.

That border used to be Poland. Russia took a big chunk of Poland after the second war to end all wars

Soviet Union invades Poland - Sep 17, 1939 - HISTORY.com

World War II
1939

On this day in 1939, Soviet Foreign Minister Vyacheslav Molotov declares that the Polish government has ceased to exist, as the U.S.S.R. exercises the “fine print” of the Hitler-Stalin Non-aggression pact—the invasion and occupation of eastern Poland.

As Soviet troops broke into Poland, they unexpectedly met up with German troops who had fought their way that far east in a little more than two weeks. The Germans receded when confronted by the Soviets, handing over their Polish prisoners of war. Thousands of Polish troops were taken into captivity; some Poles simply surrendered to the Soviets to avoid being captured by the Germans.

The Soviet Union would wind up with about three-fifths of Poland and 13 million of its people as a result of the invasion.

 

[eagle1462010]

I got off topic, but felt a History lesson was in order.

We can second string quarterback all we want, but they did attack......they did declare War......and their military leaders were stupid by not moving into Belgium and leaving their rear wide open to Germany.....................

They went defensive after losing the battle on a 90 mile front because they didn't want to involve Belgium.......A monstrous military mistake.........A mistake Germany had no intention of making.

 

[Jarlaxle]

The alternative is to let Russia take them back. So I guess which would be better.

That's fine. As the Isolationist nation with the capability and willingness to wipe out the world with the touch of a button that we should be, why the fuck would we care.

I have my moments thinking that as well. But we tried that, twice and it got us two world wars.

No, meddling got us in two world wars. We had no business shoving our noses into WW1.

 

[tinydancer]

Poland is our best friend and ally in Europe today

We should take them up on this and just leave Germany altogether

Poland offers US up to $2B for permanent military base

Poland wants a permanent U.S. military presence — and is willing to pony up as much as $2 billion to get it, according to a defense ministry proposal obtained by Polish news portal Onet.

The Polish offer reflects a long-standing desire in Warsaw to build closer security relations with the U.S. and put American boots on the ground. The push dates back to Poland’s entry into NATO in 1999, but has taken on added urgency in the wake of Russia’s annexation of Ukraine’s Crimea region four years ago and aggressive posture toward the alliance.

Oh I would live there in a hearbeat. Hungary too.

 

[Rosy]

How about we stop being the world police, close all of our bases overseas, and bring our soldiers home to guard our own borders like they were constitutionally authorized to

You mean how about let the Soviet Union return and take over the World.

Great idea, we will let you know when it is your turn to pee

 

[Jarlaxle]

Funny but the Poles had a mutual support treaty with both France and Britain before the start of WWII and military support never materialized once the fighting started. FDR pretty much gave Poland to the Russians at Yalta so it's understandable that something a little more concrete than a treaty (say a military base) would go along way to providing reassurance that commitments will be maintained.

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They declared War dumb ass...............Because of the invasion of Poland.

NATO has an agreement that will be honored.

They declared war dipshit because they needed to mobilize their own defenses when it became all too obvious that Hitler would become their problem.

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OMG, you are one stupid SOB! Go read ANY history of WWII. You are a classic idiot and need further instruction!

You are a fcking joke. Try reading more than a book's jacket cover.

"Militarily we should have gone all out against the German the minute he (Hitler) invaded Poland. We did not. And so we missed the strategical advantage of the Germans being engaged in the East. We thought completely defensively and of ourselves."

Field Marshal The Lord Ironside
Chief of the Imperial General Staff
British Army

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The Polish army folded so fast under the blitzkrieg, the Brits would have had tome to even put on their socks before it was over. I suggest you go back and research the topic at a little higher level than middle school. BTW, one of my history professors was a British Army officer.

The Poles were totally outmatched. They were outnumbered by Germany 2:1 in troop strength, 2:1 in artillery, 4:1 in armor-though most Polish armor were tankettes-counting only actual TANKS, it was 12:1-and 6:1 in aircraft, most of which were totally obsolete. German BOMBERS were faster than Poland's PZL-11 fighters.

And, of course, 2 weeks after the Germans attacked, the Soviets invaded from the east.

 

[Jarlaxle]

How about we stop being the world police, close all of our bases overseas, and bring our soldiers home to guard our own borders like they were constitutionally authorized to

You mean how about let the Soviet Union return and take over the World.

Great idea, we will let you know when it is your turn to pee

Are you intoxicated?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Poland is our best friend and ally in Europe today

We should take them up on this and just leave Germany altogether

Poland offers US up to $2B for permanent military base

Poland wants a permanent U.S. military presence — and is willing to pony up as much as $2 billion to get it, according to a defense ministry proposal obtained by Polish news portal Onet.

The Polish offer reflects a long-standing desire in Warsaw to build closer security relations with the U.S. and put American boots on the ground. The push dates back to Poland’s entry into NATO in 1999, but has taken on added urgency in the wake of Russia’s annexation of Ukraine’s Crimea region four years ago and aggressive posture toward the alliance.

Oh I would live there in a hearbeat. Hungary too.

Then you need to go get something to eat! Stop complaining!

 

[Rosy]

How about we stop being the world police, close all of our bases overseas, and bring our soldiers home to guard our own borders like they were constitutionally authorized to

You mean how about let the Soviet Union return and take over the World.

Great idea, we will let you know when it is your turn to pee

Are you intoxicated?

Do you really think that the USA should leave South Korea tonight?

Please detail why?

Then resume your heroin injections

 

[Jarlaxle]

How about we stop being the world police, close all of our bases overseas, and bring our soldiers home to guard our own borders like they were constitutionally authorized to

You mean how about let the Soviet Union return and take over the World.

Great idea, we will let you know when it is your turn to pee

Are you intoxicated?

Do you really think that the USA should leave South Korea tonight?

Please detail why?

Then resume your heroin injections

Yes. Because we have no business being there and it costs a damn fortune.

You are snorting, what...idiot powder?

 

[Rosy]

How about we stop being the world police, close all of our bases overseas, and bring our soldiers home to guard our own borders like they were constitutionally authorized to

You mean how about let the Soviet Union return and take over the World.

Great idea, we will let you know when it is your turn to pee

Are you intoxicated?

Do you really think that the USA should leave South Korea tonight?

Please detail why?

Then resume your heroin injections

Yes. Because we have no business being there and it costs a damn fortune.

You are snorting, what...idiot powder?

So you want North Korea to take over the entire peninsula...………..Why

You may resume your heroin injections

 

[Jarlaxle]

So you want North Korea to take over the entire peninsula...………..Why

You may resume your heroin injections

Because it is, quite simply, not our problem.

Stop eating your own shit.

 

[Rosy]

So you want North Korea to take over the entire peninsula...………..Why

You may resume your heroin injections

Because it is, quite simply, not our problem.

Stop eating your own shit.

Peace is not a problem, it is the goal of all decent people.

You will never be able to comprehend.

Yawning