Police: Man killed in home by Aurora PD Monday morning had fatally shot intruder minutes earlier

[Brain357]

And what does all these guns get us?

Here’s the deal Lucile, if you banned guns you would only be disarming the law abiding citizens and emboldening the criminals. Carnage would ensue.

We already have carnage suzie. We have so many armed criminals, because there is guns everywhere. Crime has not gone down with concealed carry, it has just ensured more criminals carry also.

Criminals will carry regardless of concealed carry laws you idiot

Knowing that victims may be armed is quite an incentive for criminals themselves to be armed. And that's what we have seen, hence why violent crime has increased with more carry.

Violent crime over the last 25 years is down 72% as more Americans carry guns..... please..put down the bottle, get help.

Yes it decreased after background checks.
Increased with more carry:
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

 

[2aguy]

Well...since Americans use their guns 2.5 million times a year to stop rape, robbery and murder....that would be 2.5 million fewer Americans who have had their lives destroyed by criminals released into society by democrats...

Oh, and a lower gun murder rate, a lower gun crime rate and a lower violent crime rate..

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Yes it declined after Bill Clinton passed some gun control. You can thank background checks.

No....bill clinton locked up violent criminals because they had to...they passed 3 strikes your out laws and locked up violent criminals...

And you have to sneak past the fact that as the crime rate dropped, more Americans were buying and carrying guns...showing that our entire argument that more guns mean more crime is a lie.....it is not based in truth, facts or reality.

1993 we got background checks. Crime went down right after. Thank you gun control!

Criminals don't do background checks..... you really need to put down the bottle and the pills and get help.

Our homicide rate is 4-5X that of countries with strong gun control. I don't understand how you can sleep at night pushing so much death.

Do you have a family member who can get you to a meeting? You need help.

Homicide rates do not depend on gun ownership...

Does Gun Control Reduce Murder? Let’s Run The Numbers Globally



Let’s look at the countries with the highest concentrations of gun ownership (excluding Yemen and Iraq as active war zones). Guns per murder in those countries are,

1. United States at 20,967,
2. Uruguay at 3,777,
3. Norway at 55,893,
4. France at 19,747,
5. Austria at 59,608,
6. Germany at 35,647,
7. Switzerland at 35,435,
8. New Zealand at 24,835, and
9. Greece at 26,471.

Norway is a particularly interesting example. It has 10 times the gun ownership rate of the United Kingdom, but only half the murder rate.

When one excludes Iraq and Yemen, not one of the countries on the list of the 10 highest rates of gun ownership also appears on the list of the top ten highest murder rates. In fact, the countries with the highest murder rates have markedly low gun ownership rates.

1. El Savador (108.64 murders per 100,000/5800 guns per 100,000)
2. Honduras (63.75/6200)
3. Venezuela (57.15/10,700)
4. Jamaica (43.21/8,100)
5. Lesotho (38/2,700)
6. Belize (34.4/10,000)
7. South Africa (34.27/12,700)
8. Guatemala (31.21/13,100)
9. Trinidad (30.88/1,600)
10. Bahamas (29.81/5,300)

It really doesn’t matter how you slice this data.

The conclusion is inescapable: High concentrations of private, legal gun ownership do not correlate positively to increased murders. Indeed, you can look at almost any slice of data and conclude the opposite: Higher private ownership of guns can be strongly correlated to lower murder rates.

The data also exposes some myths I have heard about gun control. For example, I’ve heard activists tout Australia, which supposedly banned all guns. Australia has advanced a number of gun control measures over the years. Nevertheless, according to the data, Australia has a rate of private ownership of guns of 13,100 per 100,000 and a murder rate of .98.

Australia has almost twice as many guns per capita as the United Kingdom, for example, and a comparable murder rate. New Zealand has almost twice as many guns per capita as Australia but a lower crime rate.

Countries with both a low rate of private gun ownership and a low murder rate exist, but they are clearly data outliers.

These include the Netherlands (3,900 guns per 100,000, for a murder rate of .61) the United Kingdom (6,200 guns per 100,000, for a murder rate of .92), Japan, and Portugal. Places like Norway, Austria, Switzerland, and Germany overwhelm those examples because they all have high rates of gun ownership and enviable crime rates.

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The ratio of murders per gun works as a decent measure for how responsible a country’s citizens are with their firearms. Measured in this light, an owner of a private legal gun in America measures as one of the most responsible in the world. A gun in America is 387 times less likely to be used in a murder than in El Salvador. Even in Japan, which has one of the lowest murder and gun ownership rates in the world, there are ten times as many murders per gun than in America.

 

[2aguy]

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Chicago has concealed carry....

And so does the rest of the country..... Chicago lets repeat gun offenders out of jail in a revolving door policy...

Police chiefs plot new strategies against gun violence and mass shootings




“For the first six months [after the law making gun possession a felony passed], we could not find a gun out on the street. But it actually takes three times for them to be treated like a felon” by Chicago’s courts, where judges and prosecutors were reducing gun charges to misdemeanors, and the word quickly spread.

Soon, it was back to violent business as usual.

Yes, U.S. locks people up at a higher rate than any other country

Moron....it isn't the locking up that is the issue....it is the letting them back out that is the issue....you moron.

 

[2aguy]

Here’s the deal Lucile, if you banned guns you would only be disarming the law abiding citizens and emboldening the criminals. Carnage would ensue.

We already have carnage suzie. We have so many armed criminals, because there is guns everywhere. Crime has not gone down with concealed carry, it has just ensured more criminals carry also.

Criminals will carry regardless of concealed carry laws you idiot

Knowing that victims may be armed is quite an incentive for criminals themselves to be armed. And that's what we have seen, hence why violent crime has increased with more carry.

Violent crime over the last 25 years is down 72% as more Americans carry guns..... please..put down the bottle, get help.

Yes it decreased after background checks.
Increased with more carry:
FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Yes....now you have devolved into your standard Troll aspect.....

 

[martybegan]

Our police are not "often shot". The number of police officers actually shot or shot at over their careers is actually quite small.

It is a lot relative to other countries. Happens here weekly. Most countries have deaths in single digits.

Nice goalpost move there dippy.

How else will you look at it if not compared to other countries? A week rarely goes by without law enforcement shot and killed. These events are rare in countries with strong gun control.

You said cops here are "often" shot, and that is clearly a lie. Again, plenty of police officers go through their entire careers without being shot at once.

Yes, often relative to other countries. What happens here weekly, is really rare in countries with strong gun control. Just like our police shoot a lot more people.
US cops killed 100 times more than German police in 2015

German criminals are far more organized than american ones, they are german. The police are to be avoided, not confronted.

Although with the rise in islamic refugees that may change.

 

[Weatherman2020]

No.... he had a tactical advantage and surprise against unarmed, tightly packed victims....

And if he had a derringer, few would have died. But since he had so much firepower, many died and hundreds were injured.

And had the police entered the room more lives would have been saved.

And how many people die from mass shootings a year...about 75.

How many times are guns used to stop violent rapes, robberies and murders each year...2.4 million.

Which number is bigger?

More lives would have been saved if all he had was a derringer obviously.

Our homicide rates is 4-5X that of countries with strong gun control.

London's murder rate surpasses New York's for 1st time ever

Yes NYC has very strong gun control. Our murder rate would go down if the country had the same laws as NYC.

UK has one of the strictest gun control laws in the world.

Gun control and ownership laws

 

[2aguy]

A sad incident. But it really shows what happens when too many people are armed. Imagine police responding to a mass shooting with lots of armed individuals.

It shows what happens when you get cops involved entering a situation where they don't know a thing going on and just shoot anyone with a gun even if it's not pointed at them. Things were under control until police arrived. Lastly, if you had a lot of armed individuals, you wouldn't have a mass shooting in the first place; there has never been a single mass shooting where it wasn't just one armed assailant against a bunch of UNARMED people. If everyone were actually armed, the attacker never would have attacked, but even if he did, they would all be shooting back at ONE THING: the attacker.

As for the police, Parkland has shown they'd just wait outside smoking cigarettes waiting for a SWAT team to arrive. Guns save lives. Police shoot wantonly because they have no accountability.

Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. Here is a bunch of armed victims:
2016 shooting of Dallas police officers - Wikipedia
On July 7, 2016, Micah Xavier Johnson ambushed and fired upon a group of police officers in Dallas, Texas, killing five officers and injuring nine others. Two civilians were also wounded.

And you have been beaten on this one over and over.

The man attacked from an ambush with surprise..... he was quickly cornered and contained...

What you don't want to talk about is that there were dozens of armed citizens in that march. Many had AR-15 rifles on their shoulders during that march and when the attack happened, the police did not shoot them, they did not shoot the police, the armed citizens moved out of the way and let the Black Lives Matter shooter be dealt with by the police..

So you just negated your original post..... a mass public shooting, with dozens of armed citizens, many with AR-15 rifles, and no law abiding gun owner was shot by mistake.....

He killed 5 armed officers and injured 9 other armed officers. Yes the victims were all very ARMED.

And all the open carry guys at that march ran screaming like little girls.

Wow...the stupid is strong with you...... those armed citizens showed that you guys don't know what you are talking about...they did not react the way you said they would react, taking the law in their own hands, getting in the way, getting shot by police, shooting police...

They saw the attack, and got out of the way and let the police do their jobs.... they did exactly as we keep telling you they would do..... and you now have to try to spin it to keep your lie going.

 

[2aguy]

It is a lot relative to other countries. Happens here weekly. Most countries have deaths in single digits.

Nice goalpost move there dippy.

How else will you look at it if not compared to other countries? A week rarely goes by without law enforcement shot and killed. These events are rare in countries with strong gun control.

You said cops here are "often" shot, and that is clearly a lie. Again, plenty of police officers go through their entire careers without being shot at once.

Yes, often relative to other countries. What happens here weekly, is really rare in countries with strong gun control. Just like our police shoot a lot more people.
US cops killed 100 times more than German police in 2015

German criminals are far more organized than american ones, they are german. The police are to be avoided, not confronted.

Although with the rise in islamic refugees that may change.

Thank you....same with Japanese Criminals.

 

[Weatherman2020]

And what does all these guns get us?

Well...since Americans use their guns 2.5 million times a year to stop rape, robbery and murder....that would be 2.5 million fewer Americans who have had their lives destroyed by criminals released into society by democrats...

Oh, and a lower gun murder rate, a lower gun crime rate and a lower violent crime rate..

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Yes it declined after Bill Clinton passed some gun control. You can thank background checks.

What law did Bill sign that had such a huge impact?

 

[2aguy]

And if he had a derringer, few would have died. But since he had so much firepower, many died and hundreds were injured.

And had the police entered the room more lives would have been saved.

And how many people die from mass shootings a year...about 75.

How many times are guns used to stop violent rapes, robberies and murders each year...2.4 million.

Which number is bigger?

More lives would have been saved if all he had was a derringer obviously.

Our homicide rates is 4-5X that of countries with strong gun control.

London's murder rate surpasses New York's for 1st time ever

Yes NYC has very strong gun control. Our murder rate would go down if the country had the same laws as NYC.

UK has one of the strictest gun control laws in the world.

Gun control and ownership laws

Canada has all the gun control that our gun grabbers want...and their gun crime rate is going up too....thanks to immigration.

 

[pismoe]

AURORA, Colo. – Police confirmed Monday afternoon that the man they shot and killed early Monday morning is believed to have shot and killed another man who had broken into his home minutes earlier.

“Officers arrived to a very chaotic and violent scene,” Aurora Police Chief Nick Metz wrote in a news release issued Monday afternoon.

Metz said officers who arrived at the scene heard gunshots inside the home and ran into an armed man. An officer shot the man, who died at an area hospital.

After clearing the scene, according to Metz, officers found a juvenile injured inside and a man shot dead on the bathroom floor. The child was taken to a hospital for “serious, but non-life-threatening injuries” caused by the intruder, he said.

Both men’s identities will be released by the Adams County Coroner’s Office, Metz said. The officer who shot the resident of the home is on standard paid administrative leave.

Police: Man killed in home by Aurora PD Monday morning had fatally shot intruder minutes earlier

A sad incident. But it really shows what happens when too many people are armed. Imagine police responding to a mass shooting with lots of armed individuals.

Oh well. T's & P's.

-------------------------------------------------- don't know EXACTLY what you mean but i think that you look at this kinda problem in a REALISTIC way of , which is -------- oh well , sometimes unintended and bad things happen at times . Now , let the city pay up if the Police are at fault Bode .

 

[2aguy]

It is a lot relative to other countries. Happens here weekly. Most countries have deaths in single digits.

Nice goalpost move there dippy.

How else will you look at it if not compared to other countries? A week rarely goes by without law enforcement shot and killed. These events are rare in countries with strong gun control.

You said cops here are "often" shot, and that is clearly a lie. Again, plenty of police officers go through their entire careers without being shot at once.

Yes, often relative to other countries. What happens here weekly, is really rare in countries with strong gun control. Just like our police shoot a lot more people.
US cops killed 100 times more than German police in 2015

German criminals are far more organized than american ones, they are german. The police are to be avoided, not confronted.

Although with the rise in islamic refugees that may change.

Apparently the new immigrants, who aren't German, are more violent and are increasing the violent crime rate...

More murder and violence in Germany | DW | 24.04.2017

Germany's official crime statistics for 2016 have shown a rise in violent crime across the country - including among young male migrants. "There is no sugarcoating here," Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere said at a crowded press conference in Berlin on Monday.

 

[Weatherman2020]

And what does all these guns get us?

The #1 nation in the world that everyone wants to move to.

 

[2aguy]

It is a lot relative to other countries. Happens here weekly. Most countries have deaths in single digits.

Nice goalpost move there dippy.

How else will you look at it if not compared to other countries? A week rarely goes by without law enforcement shot and killed. These events are rare in countries with strong gun control.

You said cops here are "often" shot, and that is clearly a lie. Again, plenty of police officers go through their entire careers without being shot at once.

Yes, often relative to other countries. What happens here weekly, is really rare in countries with strong gun control. Just like our police shoot a lot more people.
US cops killed 100 times more than German police in 2015

German criminals are far more organized than american ones, they are german. The police are to be avoided, not confronted.

Although with the rise in islamic refugees that may change.

Germany is about to experience more violent crime.....

Germany: Police Powerless Against Middle Eastern Crime Gangs

• Observers have surmised that the real reason for the judge's leniency was that he feared his family might be subjected to retribution from the clan.
  
• "In their concept of masculinity, only power and force matter; if someone is humane and civil, this is considered a weakness. In clan structures, in tribal culture everywhere in the world, ethics are confined to the clan itself. Everything outside the clan is enemy territory." — Ralph Ghadban, Lebanese-German political scientist and leading expert on Middle Eastern clans in Germany.
  
• "The state promotes organized crime with taxpayer money." — Tom Schreiber, a member of the Berlin House of Deputies.
  
• A court in Hanover has handed suspended sentences to six members of a Kurdish clan who seriously wounded two dozen police officers during a violent rampage in Hameln. The court's ruling was greeted with anger and derision by police who said it is yet another example of the laxity of Germany's politically correct judicial system.

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Observers have surmised that the real reason for the judge's leniency was that he feared his family might be subjected to retribution from the clan.

Middle Eastern crime syndicates have established themselves across Germany, where they engage in racketeering, extortion, money laundering, pimping and trafficking in humans, weapons and drugs.

The syndicates, which are run by large clans with origins in Lebanon, Turkey, Syria, among other places, operate with virtual impunity because German judges and prosecutors are unable or unwilling to stop them.

The clans — some of which migrated to Germany during Lebanon's 1975-1990 civil war and have grown to thousands of members — now control large swathes of German cities and towns — areas that are effectively lawless and which German police increasingly fear to approach.

 

[Brain357]

Yes it declined after Bill Clinton passed some gun control. You can thank background checks.

No....bill clinton locked up violent criminals because they had to...they passed 3 strikes your out laws and locked up violent criminals...

And you have to sneak past the fact that as the crime rate dropped, more Americans were buying and carrying guns...showing that our entire argument that more guns mean more crime is a lie.....it is not based in truth, facts or reality.

1993 we got background checks. Crime went down right after. Thank you gun control!

Criminals don't do background checks..... you really need to put down the bottle and the pills and get help.

Our homicide rate is 4-5X that of countries with strong gun control. I don't understand how you can sleep at night pushing so much death.

Do you have a family member who can get you to a meeting? You need help.

Homicide rates do not depend on gun ownership...

Does Gun Control Reduce Murder? Let’s Run The Numbers Globally



Let’s look at the countries with the highest concentrations of gun ownership (excluding Yemen and Iraq as active war zones). Guns per murder in those countries are,

1. United States at 20,967,
2. Uruguay at 3,777,
3. Norway at 55,893,
4. France at 19,747,
5. Austria at 59,608,
6. Germany at 35,647,
7. Switzerland at 35,435,
8. New Zealand at 24,835, and
9. Greece at 26,471.

Norway is a particularly interesting example. It has 10 times the gun ownership rate of the United Kingdom, but only half the murder rate.

When one excludes Iraq and Yemen, not one of the countries on the list of the 10 highest rates of gun ownership also appears on the list of the top ten highest murder rates. In fact, the countries with the highest murder rates have markedly low gun ownership rates.

1. El Savador (108.64 murders per 100,000/5800 guns per 100,000)
2. Honduras (63.75/6200)
3. Venezuela (57.15/10,700)
4. Jamaica (43.21/8,100)
5. Lesotho (38/2,700)
6. Belize (34.4/10,000)
7. South Africa (34.27/12,700)
8. Guatemala (31.21/13,100)
9. Trinidad (30.88/1,600)
10. Bahamas (29.81/5,300)

It really doesn’t matter how you slice this data.

The conclusion is inescapable: High concentrations of private, legal gun ownership do not correlate positively to increased murders. Indeed, you can look at almost any slice of data and conclude the opposite: Higher private ownership of guns can be strongly correlated to lower murder rates.

The data also exposes some myths I have heard about gun control. For example, I’ve heard activists tout Australia, which supposedly banned all guns. Australia has advanced a number of gun control measures over the years. Nevertheless, according to the data, Australia has a rate of private ownership of guns of 13,100 per 100,000 and a murder rate of .98.

Australia has almost twice as many guns per capita as the United Kingdom, for example, and a comparable murder rate. New Zealand has almost twice as many guns per capita as Australia but a lower crime rate.

Countries with both a low rate of private gun ownership and a low murder rate exist, but they are clearly data outliers.

These include the Netherlands (3,900 guns per 100,000, for a murder rate of .61) the United Kingdom (6,200 guns per 100,000, for a murder rate of .92), Japan, and Portugal. Places like Norway, Austria, Switzerland, and Germany overwhelm those examples because they all have high rates of gun ownership and enviable crime rates.

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The ratio of murders per gun works as a decent measure for how responsible a country’s citizens are with their firearms. Measured in this light, an owner of a private legal gun in America measures as one of the most responsible in the world. A gun in America is 387 times less likely to be used in a murder than in El Salvador. Even in Japan, which has one of the lowest murder and gun ownership rates in the world, there are ten times as many murders per gun than in America.

Our homicide rate is 4-5X any country with strong gun control.

 

[toobfreak]

Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about.

Clearly YOU have no idea what I'm talking about!

 

[martybegan]

No....bill clinton locked up violent criminals because they had to...they passed 3 strikes your out laws and locked up violent criminals...

And you have to sneak past the fact that as the crime rate dropped, more Americans were buying and carrying guns...showing that our entire argument that more guns mean more crime is a lie.....it is not based in truth, facts or reality.

1993 we got background checks. Crime went down right after. Thank you gun control!

Criminals don't do background checks..... you really need to put down the bottle and the pills and get help.

Our homicide rate is 4-5X that of countries with strong gun control. I don't understand how you can sleep at night pushing so much death.

Do you have a family member who can get you to a meeting? You need help.

Homicide rates do not depend on gun ownership...

Does Gun Control Reduce Murder? Let’s Run The Numbers Globally



Let’s look at the countries with the highest concentrations of gun ownership (excluding Yemen and Iraq as active war zones). Guns per murder in those countries are,

1. United States at 20,967,
2. Uruguay at 3,777,
3. Norway at 55,893,
4. France at 19,747,
5. Austria at 59,608,
6. Germany at 35,647,
7. Switzerland at 35,435,
8. New Zealand at 24,835, and
9. Greece at 26,471.

Norway is a particularly interesting example. It has 10 times the gun ownership rate of the United Kingdom, but only half the murder rate.

When one excludes Iraq and Yemen, not one of the countries on the list of the 10 highest rates of gun ownership also appears on the list of the top ten highest murder rates. In fact, the countries with the highest murder rates have markedly low gun ownership rates.

1. El Savador (108.64 murders per 100,000/5800 guns per 100,000)
2. Honduras (63.75/6200)
3. Venezuela (57.15/10,700)
4. Jamaica (43.21/8,100)
5. Lesotho (38/2,700)
6. Belize (34.4/10,000)
7. South Africa (34.27/12,700)
8. Guatemala (31.21/13,100)
9. Trinidad (30.88/1,600)
10. Bahamas (29.81/5,300)

It really doesn’t matter how you slice this data.

The conclusion is inescapable: High concentrations of private, legal gun ownership do not correlate positively to increased murders. Indeed, you can look at almost any slice of data and conclude the opposite: Higher private ownership of guns can be strongly correlated to lower murder rates.

The data also exposes some myths I have heard about gun control. For example, I’ve heard activists tout Australia, which supposedly banned all guns. Australia has advanced a number of gun control measures over the years. Nevertheless, according to the data, Australia has a rate of private ownership of guns of 13,100 per 100,000 and a murder rate of .98.

Australia has almost twice as many guns per capita as the United Kingdom, for example, and a comparable murder rate. New Zealand has almost twice as many guns per capita as Australia but a lower crime rate.

Countries with both a low rate of private gun ownership and a low murder rate exist, but they are clearly data outliers.

These include the Netherlands (3,900 guns per 100,000, for a murder rate of .61) the United Kingdom (6,200 guns per 100,000, for a murder rate of .92), Japan, and Portugal. Places like Norway, Austria, Switzerland, and Germany overwhelm those examples because they all have high rates of gun ownership and enviable crime rates.

-------

The ratio of murders per gun works as a decent measure for how responsible a country’s citizens are with their firearms. Measured in this light, an owner of a private legal gun in America measures as one of the most responsible in the world. A gun in America is 387 times less likely to be used in a murder than in El Salvador. Even in Japan, which has one of the lowest murder and gun ownership rates in the world, there are ten times as many murders per gun than in America.

Our homicide rate is 4-5X any country with strong gun control.

correlation doesn't equal causation.

Some countries with strict gun control, like mexico, have terrible homicide rates.

 

[Brain357]

And what does all these guns get us?

Well...since Americans use their guns 2.5 million times a year to stop rape, robbery and murder....that would be 2.5 million fewer Americans who have had their lives destroyed by criminals released into society by democrats...

Oh, and a lower gun murder rate, a lower gun crime rate and a lower violent crime rate..

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Yes it declined after Bill Clinton passed some gun control. You can thank background checks.

What law did Bill sign that had such a huge impact?

Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act - Wikipedia

And crime dropped after.

 

[Brain357]

1993 we got background checks. Crime went down right after. Thank you gun control!

Criminals don't do background checks..... you really need to put down the bottle and the pills and get help.

Our homicide rate is 4-5X that of countries with strong gun control. I don't understand how you can sleep at night pushing so much death.

Do you have a family member who can get you to a meeting? You need help.

Homicide rates do not depend on gun ownership...

Does Gun Control Reduce Murder? Let’s Run The Numbers Globally



Let’s look at the countries with the highest concentrations of gun ownership (excluding Yemen and Iraq as active war zones). Guns per murder in those countries are,

1. United States at 20,967,
2. Uruguay at 3,777,
3. Norway at 55,893,
4. France at 19,747,
5. Austria at 59,608,
6. Germany at 35,647,
7. Switzerland at 35,435,
8. New Zealand at 24,835, and
9. Greece at 26,471.

Norway is a particularly interesting example. It has 10 times the gun ownership rate of the United Kingdom, but only half the murder rate.

When one excludes Iraq and Yemen, not one of the countries on the list of the 10 highest rates of gun ownership also appears on the list of the top ten highest murder rates. In fact, the countries with the highest murder rates have markedly low gun ownership rates.

1. El Savador (108.64 murders per 100,000/5800 guns per 100,000)
2. Honduras (63.75/6200)
3. Venezuela (57.15/10,700)
4. Jamaica (43.21/8,100)
5. Lesotho (38/2,700)
6. Belize (34.4/10,000)
7. South Africa (34.27/12,700)
8. Guatemala (31.21/13,100)
9. Trinidad (30.88/1,600)
10. Bahamas (29.81/5,300)

It really doesn’t matter how you slice this data.

The conclusion is inescapable: High concentrations of private, legal gun ownership do not correlate positively to increased murders. Indeed, you can look at almost any slice of data and conclude the opposite: Higher private ownership of guns can be strongly correlated to lower murder rates.

The data also exposes some myths I have heard about gun control. For example, I’ve heard activists tout Australia, which supposedly banned all guns. Australia has advanced a number of gun control measures over the years. Nevertheless, according to the data, Australia has a rate of private ownership of guns of 13,100 per 100,000 and a murder rate of .98.

Australia has almost twice as many guns per capita as the United Kingdom, for example, and a comparable murder rate. New Zealand has almost twice as many guns per capita as Australia but a lower crime rate.

Countries with both a low rate of private gun ownership and a low murder rate exist, but they are clearly data outliers.

These include the Netherlands (3,900 guns per 100,000, for a murder rate of .61) the United Kingdom (6,200 guns per 100,000, for a murder rate of .92), Japan, and Portugal. Places like Norway, Austria, Switzerland, and Germany overwhelm those examples because they all have high rates of gun ownership and enviable crime rates.

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The ratio of murders per gun works as a decent measure for how responsible a country’s citizens are with their firearms. Measured in this light, an owner of a private legal gun in America measures as one of the most responsible in the world. A gun in America is 387 times less likely to be used in a murder than in El Salvador. Even in Japan, which has one of the lowest murder and gun ownership rates in the world, there are ten times as many murders per gun than in America.

Our homicide rate is 4-5X any country with strong gun control.

correlation doesn't equal causation.

Some countries with strict gun control, like mexico, have terrible homicide rates.

Mexico is not politically or economically stable. They do not have the ability to enforce laws.

 

[martybegan]

Criminals don't do background checks..... you really need to put down the bottle and the pills and get help.

Our homicide rate is 4-5X that of countries with strong gun control. I don't understand how you can sleep at night pushing so much death.

Do you have a family member who can get you to a meeting? You need help.

Homicide rates do not depend on gun ownership...

Does Gun Control Reduce Murder? Let’s Run The Numbers Globally



Let’s look at the countries with the highest concentrations of gun ownership (excluding Yemen and Iraq as active war zones). Guns per murder in those countries are,

1. United States at 20,967,
2. Uruguay at 3,777,
3. Norway at 55,893,
4. France at 19,747,
5. Austria at 59,608,
6. Germany at 35,647,
7. Switzerland at 35,435,
8. New Zealand at 24,835, and
9. Greece at 26,471.

Norway is a particularly interesting example. It has 10 times the gun ownership rate of the United Kingdom, but only half the murder rate.

When one excludes Iraq and Yemen, not one of the countries on the list of the 10 highest rates of gun ownership also appears on the list of the top ten highest murder rates. In fact, the countries with the highest murder rates have markedly low gun ownership rates.

1. El Savador (108.64 murders per 100,000/5800 guns per 100,000)
2. Honduras (63.75/6200)
3. Venezuela (57.15/10,700)
4. Jamaica (43.21/8,100)
5. Lesotho (38/2,700)
6. Belize (34.4/10,000)
7. South Africa (34.27/12,700)
8. Guatemala (31.21/13,100)
9. Trinidad (30.88/1,600)
10. Bahamas (29.81/5,300)

It really doesn’t matter how you slice this data.

The conclusion is inescapable: High concentrations of private, legal gun ownership do not correlate positively to increased murders. Indeed, you can look at almost any slice of data and conclude the opposite: Higher private ownership of guns can be strongly correlated to lower murder rates.

The data also exposes some myths I have heard about gun control. For example, I’ve heard activists tout Australia, which supposedly banned all guns. Australia has advanced a number of gun control measures over the years. Nevertheless, according to the data, Australia has a rate of private ownership of guns of 13,100 per 100,000 and a murder rate of .98.

Australia has almost twice as many guns per capita as the United Kingdom, for example, and a comparable murder rate. New Zealand has almost twice as many guns per capita as Australia but a lower crime rate.

Countries with both a low rate of private gun ownership and a low murder rate exist, but they are clearly data outliers.

These include the Netherlands (3,900 guns per 100,000, for a murder rate of .61) the United Kingdom (6,200 guns per 100,000, for a murder rate of .92), Japan, and Portugal. Places like Norway, Austria, Switzerland, and Germany overwhelm those examples because they all have high rates of gun ownership and enviable crime rates.

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The ratio of murders per gun works as a decent measure for how responsible a country’s citizens are with their firearms. Measured in this light, an owner of a private legal gun in America measures as one of the most responsible in the world. A gun in America is 387 times less likely to be used in a murder than in El Salvador. Even in Japan, which has one of the lowest murder and gun ownership rates in the world, there are ten times as many murders per gun than in America.

Our homicide rate is 4-5X any country with strong gun control.

correlation doesn't equal causation.

Some countries with strict gun control, like mexico, have terrible homicide rates.

Mexico is not politically or economically stable. They do not have the ability to enforce laws.

More goalpost moving....