Wyatt earp
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All bullshit. Obama pulled in 2011 because he believed that if he didn't live up to his 2008 promise to withdraw it would hurt his chances for reelection. When Obama explained (lied) why he was leaving Iraq, he said it was because the Iraqis no longer needed us, not that he was powerless to stay because of the SOFA - the same SOFA that was in place when Obama returned to Iraq to fight ISIS. When Obama said he was leaving Iraq because Iraq no longer needed us, he was lying. The Pentagon had assured him that if he withdrew US troops the country would go up in flames. Obama considered whether it worth it to allow hundreds of thousands of people to die and millions of people to become homeless refugees to enhance his chance for a second term, and he decided it was.There was no ISIS when Obama took office. ISIS was formed by some of the more radical Islamic terrorists affiliated with al Qaeda after Obama pulled out of Iraq and cut funding for the Sunni militias that had, with US logistical support, rendered al Qaeda nearly non existent. It would be fair to say that Obama created ISIS and President Trump defeated ISIS.
Yep, because the History of our invasion and occupation of Iraq didn't start until the Obama presidency right? Fact is President Obama honored President Bushes withdrawal timeline as set out in the famous SOFA he had to negotiate with the Iraqis at the end of 2008. The president had every right by that agreement to pull the troops out at anytime but kept to the agreement and first pulled the combat troops out of the Cities. Then the final withdrawal according to the SOFA. Thank God he did too. When ISIS took control of the Sunnis areas of Iraq and threaten Baghdad (not to mention Erbil, but that's a different storyline), that forced the Iraqis to stand up. With the Kurds and plenty of air support, they worked together to drive ISIS out. Not a whole lot of US soldiers lost their lives in that coalition.
Bush was not able to get the Iraqis agree to give our soldiers immunity from Iraqi law. That's the reason he agreed to the time line for withdrawal in the SOFA. It was the Iraqis who push the UN to withdraw it's support for the US occupation in the first place. Everybody knew before long before that agreement that the simmering civil war was going to erupt once we left. It's what many in Iraq wanted. That's one of the results of Bushes invasion and occupation.
The flowery rhetoric surrounding the event is just politics. I'm glad Obama did not re-invade but backed a coalition. Put those with some skin in the game on the ground, not our kids.
bullshit, Obama sent troops into IRAQ with out an agreement with the Iraqs government.
Obama didnt need no agreement.
Damn right he did and he didn't need an agreement. He had to. ISIS was making moves on Erbil. It was a line in the sand not drawn by Obama! To his credit he limited the amount of US combat troops he put in harms way, at least in the battle against ISIS in Iraq.
So the Iraqis didn't ask for our help in Baghdad? They said "We can handle it. We don't need your stinking air support! "?
you dont make no sense what so ever Bush jr left it up to the next guy. obama didn't have to pull out any troops.