Pres. Biden wants $15/hr min wage; Thanks but NOW its not enough

[hadit]

Been reading that President Biden will make min wage $15/hour. Thanks Mr. President but that was enough in 2010. Not 2020. It needs to be $20/minimum. 40 hours/week after taxes thats like $2300 a month.

A 1 bedroom apt in my city is like $1200/month
Student loan payment $300
Power/cable/phone/water.....another $400
Car $200
(Already $2100 gone)

I could go on but as you can see it rapidly is gone and we havent even gotten to healthcare, food, clothing, recreation

Mr President.....$20 an hour is the minimum

A one time tax break for Capitalists can make it work because higher paid labor creates more in demand and generates more in tax revenue.

You keep saying that without having any idea what you're talking about. The "higher paid labor" would be more than offset by the hordes of newly laid off and those unable to find any job at all.

We are talking about minimum wage jobs. What percentage of the labor force consists of minimum wage jobs? And, what you claim is only a short run equilibrium since higher paid labor also creates more in demand. Unemployment compensation could be improved to easily handle it.

The current number of MW job workers is totally irrelevant if we double the MW overnight like you want to do. You simply cannot pretend that ONLY those now making $7 and change per hour would be effected. First, EVERY worker now making less than $15/hr would get a raise, every single one, and that is about 42% of the work force, so do NOT yammer on about only those currently making MW as if they are significant when talking about raising the MW to $15/hr. It's not just the 2 million or so that are effected. There are tens of millions that would be effected. And you are emphatically NOT talking about UC. UC is temporary and only for those forced out of their jobs through no fault of their own. What you want is permanent payments for everyone whether they work available jobs or not. You simply do not realize how many workers would be forced out of their jobs. They would overwhelm UC.

 

[danielpalos]

I had roommates for many years until my student loans were paid off.

My commute is a solid 45 minutes expressly now so I could afford a house on a 15 year mortgage.

The math is the math. Make it work as millions before you did.

Asking for a raise because you want to have private quarters or be close to work isn't an argument.

How many people making the minimum wage are able to do that?

 

[BlindBoo]

Been reading that President Biden will make min wage $15/hour. Thanks Mr. President but that was enough in 2010. Not 2020. It needs to be $20/minimum. 40 hours/week after taxes thats like $2300 a month.

A 1 bedroom apt in my city is like $1200/month
Student loan payment $300
Power/cable/phone/water.....another $400
Car $200
(Already $2100 gone)

I could go on but as you can see it rapidly is gone and we havent even gotten to healthcare, food, clothing, recreation

Mr President.....$20 an hour is the minimum

Minimum wage need to be relative to the local economy but until then, you need to find and work another job or work two jobs

If minimum wage jobs can be easily automated, they should. It is what supply side economics should be about.

You do realize, don't you, that every job automated is one less available job for a worker.

To bad the factory that makes the machines that automated that task is probably located is Asia. But there will be maintenance jobs to keep the machines working.

 

[hadit]

If the rent keeps going up minimum wages need to go up since companies are still making huge profits

Most jobs are not in large, established, very profitable companies. Most of them are in small companies that run on very small profit margins. Thus, pretending companies are massive money pits that can easily absorb a doubling of their labor cost is foolish. Jack the MW to far too fast and there WILL be layoffs and there WILL be price increases.

 

[danielpalos]

If a person cannot afford the rent and bills they have working a full time minimum wage job in the place which they live.. that person either needs to find a better job, or move to a cheaper place.

If a minimum wage job can be easily automated, we don't need it anyway. Since higher paid labor will be generating more federal income tax revenue anyway, unemployment compensation can easily automatically stabilize our economy while solving simple poverty in the process.

You're talking about welfare again. UC is temporary and only for those laid off from their jobs, not permanent for those who refuse to work an available job. You should know that by now, I've told you often enough.

Unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed in an at-will employment State. Not our fault employers won't meet our wage requirements in an at-will employment State.

 

[Peach45]

Been reading that President Biden will make min wage $15/hour. Thanks Mr. President but that was enough in 2010. Not 2020. It needs to be $20/minimum. 40 hours/week after taxes thats like $2300 a month.

A 1 bedroom apt in my city is like $1200/month
Student loan payment $300
Power/cable/phone/water.....another $400
Car $200
(Already $2100 gone)

I could go on but as you can see it rapidly is gone and we havent even gotten to healthcare, food, clothing, recreation

Mr President.....$20 an hour is the minimum

Shit, make minimum wage 100 bucks an hour. The result is the same. Inflation. You fucking retards don't understand simple economics.

No. $100 is unrealistic, too much too fast. The min wage should have been incrementally increased the last 10-15 years. Should be around $20 now to even this inequality out

No. $100 is unrealistic, too much too fast....

You just rendered your entire argument completely impotent.

Who the fuck are you to say what is too much too fast?

Its called an opinion

 

[danielpalos]

Been reading that President Biden will make min wage $15/hour. Thanks Mr. President but that was enough in 2010. Not 2020. It needs to be $20/minimum. 40 hours/week after taxes thats like $2300 a month.

A 1 bedroom apt in my city is like $1200/month
Student loan payment $300
Power/cable/phone/water.....another $400
Car $200
(Already $2100 gone)

I could go on but as you can see it rapidly is gone and we havent even gotten to healthcare, food, clothing, recreation

Mr President.....$20 an hour is the minimum

Minimum wage need to be relative to the local economy but until then, you need to find and work another job or work two jobs

If minimum wage jobs can be easily automated, they should. It is what supply side economics should be about.

You do realize, don't you, that every job automated is one less available job for a worker.

To bad the factory that makes the machines that automated that task is probably located is Asia. But there will be maintenance jobs to keep the machines working.

We need skilled labor in our First World economy not minimum wage labor. A tariff on firms leaving merely for cheaper labor can help labor in our first world economy. Right wingers should not be socially allowed to compete for any "race to the bottom" merely for their private bottom line.

 

[danielpalos]

If the rent keeps going up minimum wages need to go up since companies are still making huge profits

Most jobs are not in large, established, very profitable companies. Most of them are in small companies that run on very small profit margins. Thus, pretending companies are massive money pits that can easily absorb a doubling of their labor cost is foolish. Jack the MW to far too fast and there WILL be layoffs and there WILL be price increases.

Business that can only make it on cheap labor needs to fail anyway.

 

[hadit]

Been reading that President Biden will make min wage $15/hour. Thanks Mr. President but that was enough in 2010. Not 2020. It needs to be $20/minimum. 40 hours/week after taxes thats like $2300 a month.

A 1 bedroom apt in my city is like $1200/month
Student loan payment $300
Power/cable/phone/water.....another $400
Car $200
(Already $2100 gone)

I could go on but as you can see it rapidly is gone and we havent even gotten to healthcare, food, clothing, recreation

Mr President.....$20 an hour is the minimum

Minimum wage need to be relative to the local economy but until then, you need to find and work another job or work two jobs

If minimum wage jobs can be easily automated, they should. It is what supply side economics should be about.

You do realize, don't you, that every job automated is one less available job for a worker.

To bad the factory that makes the machines that automated that task is probably located is Asia. But there will be maintenance jobs to keep the machines working.

Of course there will be, just like there are a few jobs maintaining the self checkout kiosks in grocery stores, and those can be good jobs, but there are fewer of them than what they replaced. The market has to have time to adjust, and if the MW rises slowly enough, new, even better jobs can become available. Take it up to far too fast and you change too many from producers to consumers. Think of it this way, there's a reason why we don't just set the MW at $100/hr next week. I think everyone would understand why, and if that's true then you have to realize that you have to be careful when monkeying with the MW.

 

[hadit]

If the rent keeps going up minimum wages need to go up since companies are still making huge profits

Most jobs are not in large, established, very profitable companies. Most of them are in small companies that run on very small profit margins. Thus, pretending companies are massive money pits that can easily absorb a doubling of their labor cost is foolish. Jack the MW to far too fast and there WILL be layoffs and there WILL be price increases.

Business that can only make it on cheap labor needs to fail anyway.

No, because those businesses provide low cost goods and services that the poor can afford. Why do you think Wal-Mart is so popular? McDonald's? The Dollar Store? Double their labor cost and you cut off a lot of poor people from being able to access things they can access now.

 

[hadit]

If a person cannot afford the rent and bills they have working a full time minimum wage job in the place which they live.. that person either needs to find a better job, or move to a cheaper place.

If a minimum wage job can be easily automated, we don't need it anyway. Since higher paid labor will be generating more federal income tax revenue anyway, unemployment compensation can easily automatically stabilize our economy while solving simple poverty in the process.

You're talking about welfare again. UC is temporary and only for those laid off from their jobs, not permanent for those who refuse to work an available job. You should know that by now, I've told you often enough.

Unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed in an at-will employment State. Not our fault employers won't meet our wage requirements in an at-will employment State.

Just stop. You've been slapped down on that one so many times you're looking backwards.

 

[hadit]

Been reading that President Biden will make min wage $15/hour. Thanks Mr. President but that was enough in 2010. Not 2020. It needs to be $20/minimum. 40 hours/week after taxes thats like $2300 a month.

A 1 bedroom apt in my city is like $1200/month
Student loan payment $300
Power/cable/phone/water.....another $400
Car $200
(Already $2100 gone)

I could go on but as you can see it rapidly is gone and we havent even gotten to healthcare, food, clothing, recreation

Mr President.....$20 an hour is the minimum

Minimum wage need to be relative to the local economy but until then, you need to find and work another job or work two jobs

If minimum wage jobs can be easily automated, they should. It is what supply side economics should be about.

You do realize, don't you, that every job automated is one less available job for a worker.

To bad the factory that makes the machines that automated that task is probably located is Asia. But there will be maintenance jobs to keep the machines working.

We need skilled labor in our First World economy not minimum wage labor. A tariff on firms leaving merely for cheaper labor can help labor in our first world economy. Right wingers should not be socially allowed to compete for any "race to the bottom" merely for their private bottom line.

Then be prepared to pay premium prices for everything. Way to go, cut the poor off from access to goods and services.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

And you wonder why our country has so many people on food stamps, its a damn shame that companies are being stingy with the wages

 

[Lesh]

The OP is a shit stirrer who just built you a straw man to attack

 

[BlindBoo]

Been reading that President Biden will make min wage $15/hour. Thanks Mr. President but that was enough in 2010. Not 2020. It needs to be $20/minimum. 40 hours/week after taxes thats like $2300 a month.

A 1 bedroom apt in my city is like $1200/month
Student loan payment $300
Power/cable/phone/water.....another $400
Car $200
(Already $2100 gone)

I could go on but as you can see it rapidly is gone and we havent even gotten to healthcare, food, clothing, recreation

Mr President.....$20 an hour is the minimum

Minimum wage need to be relative to the local economy but until then, you need to find and work another job or work two jobs

If minimum wage jobs can be easily automated, they should. It is what supply side economics should be about.

You do realize, don't you, that every job automated is one less available job for a worker.

To bad the factory that makes the machines that automated that task is probably located is Asia. But there will be maintenance jobs to keep the machines working.

We need skilled labor in our First World economy not minimum wage labor. A tariff on firms leaving merely for cheaper labor can help labor in our first world economy. Right wingers should not be socially allowed to compete for any "race to the bottom" merely for their private bottom line.

Kind of like shutting the barn after the horses have left. Both parties were in favor of the "free trade" zones.

 

[Beef_Supreme]

Been reading that President Biden will make min wage $15/hour. Thanks Mr. President but that was enough in 2010. Not 2020. It needs to be $20/minimum. 40 hours/week after taxes thats like $2300 a month.

A 1 bedroom apt in my city is like $1200/month
Student loan payment $300
Power/cable/phone/water.....another $400
Car $200
(Already $2100 gone)

I could go on but as you can see it rapidly is gone and we havent even gotten to healthcare, food, clothing, recreation

Mr President.....$20 an hour is the minimum

So you have student loans from a college degree, but make minimum wage.
Do you see where the problem may lie?

 

[BluesLegend]

Been reading that President Biden will make min wage $15/hour. Thanks Mr. President but that was enough in 2010. Not 2020. It needs to be $20/minimum. 40 hours/week after taxes thats like $2300 a month.

A 1 bedroom apt in my city is like $1200/month
Student loan payment $300
Power/cable/phone/water.....another $400
Car $200
(Already $2100 gone)

I could go on but as you can see it rapidly is gone and we havent even gotten to healthcare, food, clothing, recreation

Mr President.....$20 an hour is the minimum

Sounds like YOUR personal financial problems to me. Work 2 jobs pay your own damn bills.

 

[Beef_Supreme]

Fuck $15 an hour.
Fuck $20 and hour.
Minimum wage needs to be $50 and hour. Everyone will be making $100k a year.
Boom! No more poverty. Er’body is rich!!
Only the truly intelligent economist like myself could have come up with this, it’s never been thought of before.
You’re welcome, you stupid moderates and conservatives. Liberalism has once again solved the country’s problems with the benevolent force of the government.

 

[Fueri]

I had roommates for many years until my student loans were paid off.

My commute is a solid 45 minutes expressly now so I could afford a house on a 15 year mortgage.

The math is the math. Make it work as millions before you did.

Asking for a raise because you want to have private quarters or be close to work isn't an argument.

How many people making the minimum wage are able to do that?

Do what, live with roommates instead of alone and live away from their location of employment and commute and take other steps to make ends meet?

Quite a few are doing it right now I'd imagine- and it's nothing new.

 

[Beef_Supreme]

Been reading that President Biden will make min wage $15/hour. Thanks Mr. President but that was enough in 2010. Not 2020. It needs to be $20/minimum. 40 hours/week after taxes thats like $2300 a month.

A 1 bedroom apt in my city is like $1200/month
Student loan payment $300
Power/cable/phone/water.....another $400
Car $200
(Already $2100 gone)

I could go on but as you can see it rapidly is gone and we havent even gotten to healthcare, food, clothing, recreation

Mr President.....$20 an hour is the minimum

Peach,
Perhaps you should not have taken out student loans to achieve your dual masters degrees in “sub-Saharan women’s studies” and “Mongolian throat singing and it’s role in the sexual revolution”.

If loans were not given for every ridiculous, non-employable major imaginable, perhaps people would not go into debt for college degrees that qualify them to serve ice cream at baskin Robbins.