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[MarcATL]

MOST people are comfortably numb w/ the status quo.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I mean I think we all know that hardcore left-wing partisan ideologues are far more intelligent, open-minded and tolerant than anyone who isn't a hardcore left-wing partisan ideologue. I mean, that's just a given 'n stuff.

It's just that I was a little shocked to see it just put out in the open like that.

I mean, come on, you're going to hurt our feelings here.

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No hurt feelings here. There are lots of very intelligent people who are conservatives but they waste their spark of intelligence on just enriching themselves and don't give a damn about the rest of the human race. The greatest things that have ever happened occurred because someone bent their mind to the service of mankind while others made a fortune and died without making the world any better. If you cannot grasp the concept of wanting to improve the lives of everyone rather than just yourself then at least spare us the silly ridicule, it does nothing to defend conservatism from its image problem as the ideology devoted to making the deadly sins of fear and greed into virtues.

Here's the funny part about all this. Well, not so funny, actually.

Many of these people are self-proclaimed Christians. Christianity's main tenant is treating others as you would treat yourself, in fact better than you treat yourself.

However, the RW Republican concept is just the opposite. Yet, these people call themselves the religious Party.

*SMH*

 

[Oldstyle]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I mean I think we all know that hardcore left-wing partisan ideologues are far more intelligent, open-minded and tolerant than anyone who isn't a hardcore left-wing partisan ideologue. I mean, that's just a given 'n stuff.

It's just that I was a little shocked to see it just put out in the open like that.

I mean, come on, you're going to hurt our feelings here.

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No hurt feelings here. There are lots of very intelligent people who are conservatives but they waste their spark of intelligence on just enriching themselves and don't give a damn about the rest of the human race. The greatest things that have ever happened occurred because someone bent their mind to the service of mankind while others made a fortune and died without making the world any better. If you cannot grasp the concept of wanting to improve the lives of everyone rather than just yourself then at least spare us the silly ridicule, it does nothing to defend conservatism from its image problem as the ideology devoted to making the deadly sins of fear and greed into virtues.

Here's the funny part about all this. Well, not so funny, actually.

Many of these people are self-proclaimed Christians. Christianity's main tenant is treating others as you would treat yourself, in fact better than you treat yourself.

However, the RW Republican concept is just the opposite. Yet, these people call themselves the religious Party.

*SMH*

Amazing how when studies are done showing how generous people are with charitable donations conservatives always seem to give more than liberals. Why do you think that IS, Marc? More of the usual "do as I say...not as I do" thing? Or are you guys only good at giving away other people's money?

 

[emilynghiem]

The best way to do that [MENTION=28132]Dot Com[/MENTION]
is start demanding ownership and authority locally, where we have connections
and relations.

Then collectively, that's whole states and the whole nation shifted to local controls.

There's some great idea's here but we'd have to end run the real owners of D.C. at present- Wall St. & other favored interests

Notice that satire is from 4 yrs ago BEFORE the McCutcheon decision!!! Its even MORE blatant now.
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[emilynghiem]

Here's the funny part about all this. Well, not so funny, actually.

Many of these people are self-proclaimed Christians. Christianity's main tenant is treating others as you would treat yourself, in fact better than you treat yourself.

However, the RW Republican concept is just the opposite. Yet, these people call themselves the religious Party.

*SMH*

Whoa [MENTION=20450]MarcATL[/MENTION] to be fair
the same way Christians/conservatives are caught
contradicting their own teachings about Forgiveness and not judging people

the Liberal Democrats ALSO
violate their own principles on "prochoice"
by penalizing the free choice of how to pay for health care without insurance mandates

I just found out the reason "prochoice" liberals/Democrats
enforce this concept for themselves and not for other people's choices of health care,
is because it is WRITTEN in the Democrat Platform
AS A BELIEF
we "BELIEVE in the right to healthcare"

So they have BELIEFS also, that cause them to CONTRADICT THEIR OWN PRINCIPLES

and it is based on BELIEF
imposed by party on the democratic and govt process

Total violation of the concept of "separation of church and state"

By the First Amendment you can Practice Exercise and DEFEND your beliefs
(such as the Democrat BELIEF in right to health care)
but cannot impose BELIEFS through govt

what do you think the push for Singlepayer is doing?
pushing a BELIEF on the public that not everyone shares
many believe in OTHER ways of covering public health care

so how is this freedom of and from religion?
separation of church and state?
freedom of choice in personal health decisions?

Marc -- do you see how this is a mutual
imposition of ideological BELIEFS on each other's?
aren't BOTH parties wrong for (a) imposing their beliefs through govt?
(b) contradicting their OWN principles?
(c) disallowing the free and equal exercise of the other party's BELIEFS
isn't it MUTUAL?

 

[MarcATL]

Here's the funny part about all this. Well, not so funny, actually.

Many of these people are self-proclaimed Christians. Christianity's main tenant is treating others as you would treat yourself, in fact better than you treat yourself.

However, the RW Republican concept is just the opposite. Yet, these people call themselves the religious Party.

*SMH*

Whoa [MENTION=20450]MarcATL[/MENTION] to be fair
the same way Christians/conservatives are caught
contradicting their own teachings about Forgiveness and not judging people

the Liberal Democrats ALSO
violate their own principles on "prochoice"
by penalizing the free choice of how to pay for health care without insurance mandates

I just found out the reason "prochoice" liberals/Democrats
enforce this concept for themselves and not for other people's choices of health care,
is because it is WRITTEN in the Democrat Platform
AS A BELIEF
we "BELIEVE in the right to healthcare"

So they have BELIEFS also, that cause them to CONTRADICT THEIR OWN PRINCIPLES

and it is based on BELIEF
imposed by party on the democratic and govt process

Total violation of the concept of "separation of church and state"

By the First Amendment you can Practice Exercise and DEFEND your beliefs
(such as the Democrat BELIEF in right to health care)
but cannot impose BELIEFS through govt

what do you think the push for Singlepayer is doing?
pushing a BELIEF on the public that not everyone shares
many believe in OTHER ways of covering public health care

so how is this freedom of and from religion?
separation of church and state?
freedom of choice in personal health decisions?

Marc -- do you see how this is a mutual
imposition of ideological BELIEFS on each other's?
aren't BOTH parties wrong for (a) imposing their beliefs through govt?
(b) contradicting their OWN principles?
(c) disallowing the free and equal exercise of the other party's BELIEFS
isn't it MUTUAL?

[MENTION=22295]emilynghiem[/MENTION] you are stretching to put things mildly

1 Comparing pro-choice to choice in health care is ridiculous. I don't even know where to begin on that one.

2 Comparing the belief that we believe people have the right to healthcare is just as equally ridiculous. It's not a religious belief.

You're doing some MEGA stretching here.

WoW!!!

 

[Mac1958]

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There are still plenty of people who will deny that money is polluting politics.

1. Strict, short term limits - Does anyone think politicians would behave the way they do if they weren't worried about fundraising and re-election?

2. Publicly-funded elections - See above.

3. Balanced Budget Amendment - Make each party justify its taxing and spending initiatives and force them to come to agreement by a specific date.

Remove the power from those who abuse it the most.

My weekly rant!



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[emilynghiem]

[MENTION=22295]emilynghiem[/MENTION] you are stretching to put things mildly

1 Comparing pro-choice to choice in health care is ridiculous. I don't even know where to begin on that one.

2 Comparing the belief that we believe people have the right to healthcare is just as equally ridiculous. It's not a religious belief.

You're doing some MEGA stretching here.

WoW!!!

Hi [MENTION=20450]MarcATL[/MENTION]
consider the context
Given that people believe the concept of "natural laws pre-existing or being
self-evident" or "given by God" by nature is a RELIGION,
isn't this close to the same concept?

That if we don't BELIEVE the same thing as someone else BELIEVES INHERENTLY
(as a GIVEN -- like the "right to health care" is a GIVEN and people BELIEVE THIS
WITHOUT QUESTION as the DEFAULT)

Then their "BELIEF" comes across to us the same as a RELIGION we don't belong to.

So one group does it with "right to life, natural rights, social contract, etc."
One group believes in "right to health care" "freedom of choice and from religion"
as a GIVEN, just NOT NATURAL to impose other BELIEFS.

They don't even RECOGNIZE these other BELIEFS as real but some FALSE RELIGION.

The same way people think liberalism and "right to health care" is a FALSE BELIEF.

Can you see that something MUTUAL is going on here?
What do you CALL that if it isn't a Political BELIEF or Religious BELIEF.

With right to health care, right to life, gun rights/abortion rights,
people REJECT each other's BELIEFS as if that Religion is WRONG.

How is this all that different from Hindus and Muslims who do not BELIEVE
in the other group's BELIEFS that beef or pork is unholy and should be banned or avoided?

Do you see the similarity in PSYCHOLOGY?
That people "have no concept" in each other's BELIEFS?

 

[MarcATL]

Emily,

If that's the position you're going to take, then we're going to have to agree to disagree.

Religion is something I know quite well, as a religious person myself.

I don't equate political beliefs to religious beliefs at all.

It's like saying love is equal to hate because they're both emotions.

I get that they're similar, but they're in no way, shape or form, the same.

[MENTION=22295]emilynghiem[/MENTION]

 

[emilynghiem]

Emily,

If that's the position you're going to take, then we're going to have to agree to disagree.

Religion is something I know quite well, as a religious person myself.

I don't equate political beliefs to religious beliefs at all.

It's like saying love is equal to hate because they're both emotions.

I get that they're similar, but they're in no way, shape or form, the same.

[MENTION=22295]emilynghiem[/MENTION]

Thanks, MarcATL!
I credit you and Avatar the most for clarifying this issue of political beliefs.

Thanks to you, for which I need to give you rep,
I agree that the Constitutional protections of religious freedom and
equal protection against discrimination against creed
ARE NOT ENOUGH FOR AND DO NOT SPECIFY "POLITICAL BELIEFS"
and how to handle these.

I went back here to find to your msg to post my Conclusion:
that a Constitutional agreement and Amendment is required to address political beliefs
to prevent further conflicts (since the First and Fourteenth are not enough to distinguish how to resolve political beliefs)

Thank you! I meant to go back before you replied and rep your first msg.
Now I see you posted this other one.

What do you think of asking for a Constitutional agreement on how
to address political beliefs, since these cross the line between religion and govt?

I think that is an amazing idea and approach, so thank you, Avatar and also
Dante for pointing out how necessary this is since people do not even recognize
each other's political beliefs as valid. How much more critical is it
that we address this issue? Wow! Thanks again [MENTION=20450]MarcATL[/MENTION]

This is like having a big AHA moment, similar to when I first read
Avatar's explanation about the right to health care as a belief creating involuntary servitude

I am going to run out of ways to thank everyone, if I can't keep track of all your help!
This is really great!

 

[MarcATL]

Emily,

If that's the position you're going to take, then we're going to have to agree to disagree.

Religion is something I know quite well, as a religious person myself.

I don't equate political beliefs to religious beliefs at all.

It's like saying love is equal to hate because they're both emotions.

I get that they're similar, but they're in no way, shape or form, the same.

[MENTION=22295]emilynghiem[/MENTION]

Thanks, MarcATL!
I credit you and Avatar the most for clarifying this issue of political beliefs.

Thanks to you, for which I need to give you rep,
I agree that the Constitutional protections of religious freedom and
equal protection against discrimination against creed
ARE NOT ENOUGH FOR AND DO NOT SPECIFY "POLITICAL BELIEFS"
and how to handle these.

I went back here to find to your msg to post my Conclusion:
that a Constitutional agreement and Amendment is required to address political beliefs
to prevent further conflicts (since the First and Fourteenth are not enough to distinguish how to resolve political beliefs)

Thank you! I meant to go back before you replied and rep your first msg.
Now I see you posted this other one.

What do you think of asking for a Constitutional agreement on how
to address political beliefs, since these cross the line between religion and govt?

I think that is an amazing idea and approach, so thank you, Avatar and also
Dante for pointing out how necessary this is since people do not even recognize
each other's political beliefs as valid. How much more critical is it
that we address this issue? Wow! Thanks again [MENTION=20450]MarcATL[/MENTION]

This is like having a big AHA moment, similar to when I first read
Avatar's explanation about the right to health care as a belief creating involuntary servitude

I am going to run out of ways to thank everyone, if I can't keep track of all your help!
This is really great!

I think anything that requires the constitution to be amended is next to impossible.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Progress?

How's about we progressively get more freedoms?

Yall bitch that government is owned, but cheer and demand the aca

you claim to be pro abortion b/c of the right to privacy, but demand gun owners register

You declare that you love education, then demand everyone pay (even those w/o kids) for schools that will give diplomas to the illiterate.

You hate monopolies, unless they are government + union monopolies.


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