Progressivs and the Nazi regime

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Stuff that people write on an internet message board for shits & giggles and to poke at their adversaries is one thing. Hitler comparisons. HITLER. Okay, well, it's the internet.

But when many of these people represent and provide most of the energy within a national party, that party has some serious issues to address before things get completely out of hand.

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Having lost members of my family to Stalin I don't think of Stalin as part of shits and giggles.

My husband having lost members of his family to Hitler I don't think of Hitler as part of shits and giggles and nor does he.

Real time. Real losses. Real comparisons.
 
Nazi regime was a variation of the leftist political dream.

so, yes, they not only resemble each other, they basically are the same

People should start calling them what they were, national socialists.

For me, the left/right label is meaningless. It all comes down to collectivism.

If you noticed, at the turn of the 20th century Wilson created the collectivist state in the US through such legislation as a federal income tax and central bank in order to create a war machine to fight off the collectivists in Europe. Then FDR further centralized the government to help fight off the Nazi war machine.

By all accounts, it would appear that in order to build an army capable of world domination, collectivism is the key. Just be careful not to become what you are fighting, because it is next to impossible to stop the slide.

well, the obamacare is a classic example of the nazi policies.
 
Nazi regime was a variation of the leftist political dream.

so, yes, they not only resemble each other, they basically are the same

People should start calling them what they were, national socialists.

For me, the left/right label is meaningless. It all comes down to collectivism.

If you noticed, at the turn of the 20th century Wilson created the collectivist state in the US through such legislation as a federal income tax and central bank in order to create a war machine to fight off the collectivists in Europe. Then FDR further centralized the government to help fight off the Nazi war machine.

By all accounts, it would appear that in order to build an army capable of world domination, collectivism is the key. Just be careful not to become what you are fighting, because it is next to impossible to stop the slide.

well, the obamacare is a classic example of the nazi policies.

Hitler would go into hospitals and exterminate the aged and physically damaged in society.

I'm not suggesting that the modern progressive would take them all to the basement and kill them, but I would suggest that they would simply defund them gradually and let nature take its course. It's a kinder and gentler world, don't ya know.
 
Nazi regime was a variation of the leftist political dream.

so, yes, they not only resemble each other, they basically are the same

People should start calling them what they were, national socialists.

For me, the left/right label is meaningless. It all comes down to collectivism.

If you noticed, at the turn of the 20th century Wilson created the collectivist state in the US through such legislation as a federal income tax and central bank in order to create a war machine to fight off the collectivists in Europe. Then FDR further centralized the government to help fight off the Nazi war machine.

By all accounts, it would appear that in order to build an army capable of world domination, collectivism is the key. Just be careful not to become what you are fighting, because it is next to impossible to stop the slide.

well, the obamacare is a classic example of the nazi policies.


At least the Nazis were good at the shit they did.

This crew in the White House if they really wanted to exterminate a whole batch of conservatives would fuck it up by getting an EPA audit before putting in solar ovens for crying out loud.
 
I've come on here before and make comparisons about the Nazi regime and modern day progressives. Despite the objection of Godwin and company, the comparisons are far to easy to make. For example:

1. Both were in love with Keynesian economics. In fact, it was said that the Nazi regime proved Keynesian economics worked before the theory had been finished. Keynes even admired the Nazi regime and remarked that a totalitarian state was ideal to implement his theory. Conversely, a free market was most unsuitable for properly implementing his theory.

2. Since both followed Keynesian theory, both ran massive deficits. In fact, Hitler forbad passing budgets after 1935, much like we have seen in Congress for years. Neither like to bring attention to their spending with wreckless abandon.

3. Both spend their money on two major projects. They spend money on the military and massive entitlements to help quell a war weary populace. By all accounts it works. In fact, Germany was the first to mandate health insurance.

4. Both are obsessed with the environment and animal rights.

5. Both favor gun control and Hitler was the first to achieve this goal.

6. Both have the dream of a one world order with them pulling the strings behind the curtain.

But I digress. I've always seen how progressives follow the Nazi way of thinking, but I've never considered how the Nazi regime may have followed the progressives at the turn of the 20th century until now.

History News Network | The Horrifying American Roots of Nazi Eugenics

It seems that mainstream scientists within the US at the turn of the 20 century were obsessed with eugenics. The question must be asked, to what degree did they fuel the flames of the Holocaust?

Crack a history book for Christ's sake.

Do you know what Hitler did with Progressives?

He sent them to concentration camps or had them shot on the spot.

All labor union leaders were executed.
 
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Stuff that people write on an internet message board for shits & giggles and to poke at their adversaries is one thing. Hitler comparisons. HITLER. Okay, well, it's the internet.

But when many of these people represent and provide most of the energy within a national party, that party has some serious issues to address before things get completely out of hand.

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Having lost members of my family to Stalin I don't think of Stalin as part of shits and giggles.

My husband having lost members of his family to Hitler I don't think of Hitler as part of shits and giggles and nor does he.

Real time. Real losses. Real comparisons.

Even though Stalin killed more people, he is not considered as bad as Hitler. That is why Godwin never enters the equation.

The reasons for this are:

1. Stalin was on the winning side.
2. It's more palatable to kill for political gain than for racial hatred.
3. Most are left leaning in the world and favor Stalin as a result.
4. The horrific pictures of and concentration camps are forever embedded in our minds. It is much more palatable to kill behind close doors.
 
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I've come on here before and make comparisons about the Nazi regime and modern day progressives. Despite the objection of Godwin and company, the comparisons are far to easy to make. For example:

1. Both were in love with Keynesian economics. In fact, it was said that the Nazi regime proved Keynesian economics worked before the theory had been finished. Keynes even admired the Nazi regime and remarked that a totalitarian state was ideal to implement his theory. Conversely, a free market was most unsuitable for properly implementing his theory.

2. Since both followed Keynesian theory, both ran massive deficits. In fact, Hitler forbad passing budgets after 1935, much like we have seen in Congress for years. Neither like to bring attention to their spending with wreckless abandon.

3. Both spend their money on two major projects. They spend money on the military and massive entitlements to help quell a war weary populace. By all accounts it works. In fact, Germany was the first to mandate health insurance.

4. Both are obsessed with the environment and animal rights.

5. Both favor gun control and Hitler was the first to achieve this goal.

6. Both have the dream of a one world order with them pulling the strings behind the curtain.

But I digress. I've always seen how progressives follow the Nazi way of thinking, but I've never considered how the Nazi regime may have followed the progressives at the turn of the 20th century until now.

History News Network | The Horrifying American Roots of Nazi Eugenics

It seems that mainstream scientists within the US at the turn of the 20 century were obsessed with eugenics. The question must be asked, to what degree did they fuel the flames of the Holocaust?

Crack a history book for Christ's sake.

Do you know what Hitler did with Progressives?

He sent them to concentration camps or had them shot on the spot.

All labor union leaders were executed.

Do tell.

So Hitler killed some union leaders? Hitler killed Nazi's as well. In fact, he killed pretty much anyone in his way. That's what the ideology of progressives, the ends justify the means.

Hitler was the most progressive leader in Europe. Germany was the first to mandate health care, and he taxed to death the top 4% of the rich in Germany. Hitler had memory of the uprisings in Germany during the first world war, and had no intention of reliving it. That is why the average German had a higher standard of living that those who fought for the allies. You might say that the comfortable living standards helped sooth the war weary populace.
 
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i wonder how many here who make "Hitler" references were alive during Hitlers life time.......???????????


i was !!

I wasn't but my family and my husbands family was.

My husbands family was anti Hitler.

One uncle was conscripted to fight on the Russian front. The stories are horrible yet fascinating because it gives an inside look at those that were rural and hated Hitler but walked a razor's edge not to be reported.
 
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Stuff that people write on an internet message board for shits & giggles and to poke at their adversaries is one thing. Hitler comparisons. HITLER. Okay, well, it's the internet.

But when many of these people represent and provide most of the energy within a national party, that party has some serious issues to address before things get completely out of hand.

.

Having lost members of my family to Stalin I don't think of Stalin as part of shits and giggles.

My husband having lost members of his family to Hitler I don't think of Hitler as part of shits and giggles and nor does he.


Real time. Real losses. Real comparisons.


This is precisely my point. When we over-use a name or an action in trying to make a point, we ultimately trivialize it. Look at the way liberals over-use "racism", taking a horrific thing and making it into a freaking punchline.

What Hitler and the Nazis did was one of the biggest stains on human history. So when we try to compare people who are trying to turn the country into essentially a social democracy to Hitler, it ends up becoming a farce.

The Republicans are going to have a tough enough time gaining back power, becoming a wild-eyed caricature screaming "Hitler" can't be a good strategy going forward.

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I've come on here before and make comparisons about the Nazi regime and modern day progressives. Despite the objection of Godwin and company, the comparisons are far to easy to make. For example:

1. Both were in love with Keynesian economics.
True

In fact, it was said that the Nazi regime proved Keynesian economics worked before the theory had been finished. Keynes even admired the Nazi regime and remarked that a totalitarian state was ideal to implement his theory. Conversely, a free market was most unsuitable for properly implementing his theory.

News to me can you provide us with documentation about the above?



2. Since both followed Keynesian theory, both ran massive deficits. In fact, Hitler forbad passing budgets after 1935, much like we have seen in Congress for years. Neither like to bring attention to their spending with wreckless abandon.

Hitler's took a basket case economy, one destroyed by the allies, and refused to play the BANKSTER'S GAMES. He stopped paying reparations and (as you have already noted) began Keynesian spending which did what?

It saved his nation and his people from economic disaster.

Had he stopped there, we'd still be talking about what a genius he was.



3. Both spend their money on two major projects. They spend money on the military and massive entitlements to help quell a war weary populace. By all accounts it works. In fact, Germany was the first to mandate health insurance.

Gemany's socialism was in place in 1880, lad. Do yourself a favor..read some history.

4. Both are obsessed with the environment and animal rights.
snore

5. Both favor gun control and Hitler was the first to achieve this goal.
Not all anti-conservatives favor gun control, Lad.

6. Both have the dream of a one world order with them pulling the strings behind the curtain.
snore

But I digress. I've always seen how progressives follow the Nazi way of thinking, but I've never considered how the Nazi regime may have followed the progressives at the turn of the 20th century until now.

No you didn't digress, you merely reiterated your original point.
 
New Obama slogan has long ties to Marxism, socialism - Washington Times

The Obama campaign apparently didn’t look backwards into history when selecting its new campaign slogan, “Forward” — a word with a long and rich association with European Marxism.
Many Communist and radical publications and entities throughout the 19th and 20th centuries had the name “Forward!” or its foreign cognates. Wikipedia has an entire section called “Forward (generic name of socialist publications).”

The name Forward carries a special meaning in socialist political terminology. It has been frequently used as a name for socialist, communist and other left-wing newspapers and publications,” the online encyclopedia explains.

There have been at least two radical-left publications named “Vorwaerts” (the German word for “Forward”). One was the daily newspaper of the Social Democratic Party of Germany whose writers included Friedrich Engels and Leon Trotsky. It still publishes as the organ of Germany’s SDP, though that party has changed considerably since World War II. Another was the 1844 biweekly reader of the Communist League. Karl Marx, Engels and Mikhail Bakunin are among the names associated with that publication.

Conservative critics of the Obama administration have noted numerous ties to radicalism and socialists throughout Mr. Obama’s history, from his first political campaign being launched from the living room of two former Weather Underground members, to appointing as green jobs czar Van Jones, a self-described communist.
 
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Stuff that people write on an internet message board for shits & giggles and to poke at their adversaries is one thing. Hitler comparisons. HITLER. Okay, well, it's the internet.

But when many of these people represent and provide most of the energy within a national party, that party has some serious issues to address before things get completely out of hand.

.

Having lost members of my family to Stalin I don't think of Stalin as part of shits and giggles.

My husband having lost members of his family to Hitler I don't think of Hitler as part of shits and giggles and nor does he.

Real time. Real losses. Real comparisons.

Even though Stalin killed more people, he is not considered as bad as Hitler. That is why Godwin never enters the equation.

The reasons for this are:

1. Stalin was on the winning side.
2. It's more palatable to kill for political gain than for racial hatred.
3. Most are left leaning in the world and favor Stalin as a result.
4. The horrific pictures of and concentration camps are forever embedded in our minds. It is much more palatable to kill behind close doors.

Well the New York Times promoted Stalin did they not? Walter Duranty was one of Stalin's best promoters.

But what was worse, Duranty was one of Stalin's henchmen. He went on a vicious attack against Gareth Jones the one journalist who published articles about Stalin's "man made famine".
 
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Anyone that is interested in history should consider reading, "Hitler's Beneficiaries" by the historian Gotz Aly. It shows how Hitler plundered Europe in order to create his war machine. He stole from the Jews, the top 4% of Germans, and plundered nations. Hitler also adopted Keynesian economics and went off the gold standard and just printed money out his arse, thus stealing from future generations like it is done today.

Essentially, Jews were nothing more than a way to generate revenue. Hitler simply picked on a minority within society, and then through mob rule took everything they had. What Hitler did when he conquered a country was to create a centralized bank that printed money that could be used by German soldiers to buy things and send them back home. This made those fighting for the Nazi cause that much more loyal to the cause. Of course, this created massive inflation. To curb the inflation, the puppet governments in the nations were encouraged to round up the Jews and take their gold and other possessions and use it to help prop up the economy. Then the Jews were shipped to concentration camps and exterminated.

As for the top 4% in Germany who were not Jews, this did not raise that much revenue, but Hitler found that the idea was popular with the average German, so he continued the policy.

The interesting aspect of the book is, Hitler spent so fast that it seems that he was forced either start a world war or face economic collapse. That is why he opened two fronts at one time. It had more to do with economics that military sense. It may have been done intentionally. The nation was either to continue world conquest or face economic devastation. In effect, Hitler was burning his bridges so that the populace had no choice but to continue his goals of world domination.
 
Anyone that is interested in history should consider reading, "Hitler's Beneficiaries" by the historian Gotz Aly. It shows how Hitler plundered Europe in order to create his war machine. He stole from the Jews, the top 4% of Germans, and plundered nations. Hitler also adopted Keynesian economics and went off the gold standard and just printed money out his arse, thus stealing from future generations like it is done today.

Essentially, Jews were nothing more than a way to generate revenue. Hitler simply picked on a minority within society, and then through mob rule took everything they had. What Hitler did when he conquered a country was to create a centralized bank that printed money that could be used by German soldiers to buy things and send them back home. This made those fighting for the Nazi cause that much more loyal to the cause. Of course, this created massive inflation. To curb the inflation, the puppet governments in the nations were encouraged to round up the Jews and take their gold and other possessions and use it to help prop up the economy. Then the Jews were shipped to concentration camps and exterminated.

As for the top 4% in Germany who were not Jews, this did not raise that much revenue, but Hitler found that the idea was popular with the average German, so he continued the policy.

The interesting aspect of the book is, Hitler spent so fast that it seems that he was forced either start a world war or face economic collapse. That is why he opened two fronts at one time. It had more to do with economics that military sense. It may have been done intentionally. The nation was either to continue world conquest or face economic devastation. In effect, Hitler was burning his bridges so that the populace had no choice but to continue his goals of world domination.

I'll get that ordered in.

Thanks. I'd like to read that.
 
In fact, it was said that the Nazi regime proved Keynesian economics worked before the theory had been finished. Keynes even admired the Nazi regime and remarked that a totalitarian state was ideal to implement his theory. Conversely, a free market was most unsuitable for properly implementing his theory.

News to me can you provide us with documentation about the above?


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Hitler Was a Keynesian ? LewRockwell.com
 
Gemany's socialism was in place in 1880, lad. Do yourself a favor..read some history.

snore

Not all anti-conservatives favor gun control, Lad.
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I am well aware that the socialist state was in place before the Nazi regime. However, Hitler expanded upon it and made it a war priority.

In addition, it is fool hearty to ignore the influences of the centralized system in the evolution of the Nazi war machine. To do so is pure arrogance.
 
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Stuff that people write on an internet message board for shits & giggles and to poke at their adversaries is one thing. Hitler comparisons. HITLER. Okay, well, it's the internet.

But when many of these people represent and provide most of the energy within a national party, that party has some serious issues to address before things get completely out of hand.

.

Having lost members of my family to Stalin I don't think of Stalin as part of shits and giggles.

My husband having lost members of his family to Hitler I don't think of Hitler as part of shits and giggles and nor does he.


Real time. Real losses. Real comparisons.


This is precisely my point. When we over-use a name or an action in trying to make a point, we ultimately trivialize it. Look at the way liberals over-use "racism", taking a horrific thing and making it into a freaking punchline.

What Hitler and the Nazis did was one of the biggest stains on human history. So when we try to compare people who are trying to turn the country into essentially a social democracy to Hitler, it ends up becoming a farce.

The Republicans are going to have a tough enough time gaining back power, becoming a wild-eyed caricature screaming "Hitler" can't be a good strategy going forward.

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As you say, progressives seem fixated upon race.

Coincidence?
 
I've come on here before and make comparisons about the Nazi regime and modern day progressives. Despite the objection of Godwin and company, the comparisons are far to easy to make. For example:

1. Both were in love with Keynesian economics. In fact, it was said that the Nazi regime proved Keynesian economics worked before the theory had been finished. Keynes even admired the Nazi regime and remarked that a totalitarian state was ideal to implement his theory. Conversely, a free market was most unsuitable for properly implementing his theory.

2. Since both followed Keynesian theory, both ran massive deficits. In fact, Hitler forbad passing budgets after 1935, much like we have seen in Congress for years. Neither like to bring attention to their spending with wreckless abandon.

3. Both spend their money on two major projects. They spend money on the military and massive entitlements to help quell a war weary populace. By all accounts it works. In fact, Germany was the first to mandate health insurance.

4. Both are obsessed with the environment and animal rights.

5. Both favor gun control and Hitler was the first to achieve this goal.

6. Both have the dream of a one world order with them pulling the strings behind the curtain.

But I digress. I've always seen how progressives follow the Nazi way of thinking, but I've never considered how the Nazi regime may have followed the progressives at the turn of the 20th century until now.

History News Network | The Horrifying American Roots of Nazi Eugenics

It seems that mainstream scientists within the US at the turn of the 20 century were obsessed with eugenics. The question must be asked, to what degree did they fuel the flames of the Holocaust?

3. Both spend their money on two major projects. They spend money on the military and massive entitlements to help quell a war weary populace. By all accounts it works. In fact, Germany was the first to mandate health insurance.

the nazi party even had subsidized funds for vacations
 

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