Protests: Fifty Shades as Glamorizing Domestic Violence

[ChrisL]

Everyone seems to be missing my point which has nothing to do with trust or anything else. It is simple really. Here it is: A person who derives pleasure from another person's pain is a sicko, in my opinion. That is it in a nutshell.

But it's okay to watch snuff porn and movies that depict this or is that sick also?
Where do you draw the line?
Are fictionalized movies okay as entertainment but not reality/real life snuff or real life abuse?

Like I said, this is my opinion on the subject matter, nothing more. Do I think that is sick also? Yes, I do. I don't consider these things sex, as I think sex is a special thing between two people who care for each other and is supposed to be pleasurable.

 

[emilynghiem]

I think people want a way to make sure that
what is done in locked dungeons and basements is consensual

And not that kidnapping and rape stuff going on with trafficking,
or like that sick man in Cleveland who raped abducted girls over a period of 10 years
and nobody knew there was anything wrong going on.

People naturally are concerned and want to know that this isn't
the same sickness that needs therapy and/or is criminally suppressed.

Why would they want a way to determine that? The first question to be asked is, of what business is it of anyone but the participants?

Hi Darkwind

1. the reason people might care, I would look at the concept of interconnectedness by the Zen Buddhists and Bahai and other open spiritualists who believe that what happens to one person affects the whole:
"An injustice to one is an injustice to all"
or in Islam: Killing one innocent person is like killing all of humanity.

Some people have such a heightened sense of conscience that the pain and suffering of others
becomes their own. (I even saw a video of an environmental activist who did the redwood tree sit protest,
explaining that she actually feels the "spirit or voices" of the trees crying out when the forest is destroyed.
She was being ridiculed for this, but I have met Pagan friends who sense and/or see the spirits of life in other
living things. so this is the level they feel an "interconnectedness" with life, whether we believe in it or not.)
some extreme religious followers in older Eastern cultures won't even breathe air without a mask because they don't want to
kill the tiny bacteria or whatever that die when we breathe -- I've seen diverse versions and extremes to this concept.

2. As far as I know there IS no way to check for abuses when it is still in someone's private domain.
The civil and criminal laws require due process and proof before convicting someone of a violation.

What people tend to do is push for outreach campaigns on the prevention side of abuse by education on the signs of abuse:
NOT to tolerate abuse and rape by playing it down as "boys will be boys" but to recognize rape as a crime
and NOT brush it off as less just because of young men's value and opportunity in football, celebrity status, etc.
NOT to cover up child abuse because of school, church or political authority that people are afraid to report against.

Right now there is a heightened push to address rape attitudes from "No More"
and the Cosby accusers coming out, the Vanderbuilt University cases (<--plural) that have exposed
the pushing of frat parties and covering up rape to "entice recruits" by spoiling them with unchecked sex
that has been reported as "hushed up rape," even multiple rapes according to a student journalist from Vanderbilt
who was roommates with such a victim of multiple assaults by the same football team member/recruiter:
COLUMN Turning a blind eye - The Vanderbilt Hustler Sports

Since abuse prevention BEFORE crimes are committed can only be done by FREE CHOICE, I believe that's why people like ChrisL try so hard to be proactive in checking any attitudes in advance from "leading down that path." Only the people involved can "check their own attitudes" by free choice, where it cannot be assumed who is abusive or sick without proof someone's consent was violated as in rape.

If several people know a Poster here to be a psychotically abusive sick person,
I would recommend getting that person help to treat and cure such conditions
(that I understand, from my own research into this, CAN be cured through spiritual healing
by getting to the root cause and 'rooting that out' so any related abusive behavior is healed and stopped)

for public health and safety this would need to be proven by science, by formal research to establish standard medical procedures for screening and diagnosing "dangerous criminal illness" BEFORE someone commits an abuse or crime.
Similar to testing if cancer tumors are benign, malignant, terminal and in What Stage of progression from cureable to inoperable, BEFORE they progress to deadly and irreversible stages.
(and I am proposing to research and develop such a method to detect criminal-level sick conditions that might show up
in the brain and could be tested for dangerous homicidal or stalking/predatory addictions)

Until then, the most people have is personal observation and reporting complaints or threats of abuse.
So that's what media and educational campaigns are focused on, as Chris is trying to do which I support where it is done right.

We haven't yet perfected a prescribed way of either investigating, reporting, or diagnosing what is
truly sick abusive behavior from criminal illness, and what is just "consenting adults agreeing to such activities."

We can't even prove a lot of rape cases right now, either way, so the defense is legally favored with benefit of the doubt.

If more people AGREED that the sick kind of abusive behavior is something we commit to report and not let slide,
then people like Chris would not go overboard in the other direction trying to outguess and police in advance.

I think where we CAN agree here, if everyone has seen that certain Poster(s) are abusive and in need of professional help,
we can be supportive and try to get THAT person help. Since there is at least a consensus of danger signs there.
(Note: where people are so sick they don't and won't get help, the ONLY thing I know that works
is prayer by the same sources who do spiritual healing, they also pray with family and friends for the sick person
to agree to seek help first, and after such people agree, then they pray for the diagnosis of the cause and healing of
the cause and the symptoms. I know of successful cases, but they all depended on prayer because the person was
too sick and refused help.)

We may not agree on how to distinguish the other types or where the threshold is,
but there is Plenty of healing and help needed on the cases we DO agree is abusive.

the cases at Vanderbilt need support from the public for what the students are trying
to do to stop the abuse of recruitment parties to "traffick women for unchecked sex, even gang rape"
as incentive to football players.

the nomore campaign is calling for people in every community to stand together

and the women rallying around the Bill Cosby cases are calling to end the silencing and blaming of victims
(and I would also push for checks against false accusations that hurt the credibility of real rape victims)

Who is talking about the police? Lol. I just said I think it is sick and the people involved are sick. That is all. Sorry if people find my opinions so upsetting.

I mean personal policing, sorry.

I'm not personal policing. I am stating my opinion on this subject matter. That is what the forum is for.

So what is your intent of pointing out that someone else is being abusive?
You don't care if they keep abusing someone or not, you just want to state you think it is?

What good is it to defend that "you don't believe in child abuse."
But if someone is abusing a child you don't do anything to try to stop it.

????

 

[ChrisL]

Everyone seems to be missing my point which has nothing to do with trust or anything else. It is simple really. Here it is: A person who derives pleasure from another person's pain is a sicko, in my opinion. That is it in a nutshell.

But it's okay to watch snuff porn and movies that depict this or is that sick also?
Where do you draw the line?
Are fictionalized movies okay as entertainment but not reality/real life snuff or real life abuse?

A movie is a movie. It is not real. They are actors playing a role. No, I do not think they are sick. However, I think it gives young people the wrong impression.

 

[Anathema]

Can you describe what you mean by discipline? What methods do you use and why are people on here saying you do things outside the norm, what are they?

I'm very far outside the 21st century norm. I always have been. I'd be much more at home in the 16th- 19th century. I believe in Patriarchy and what most today call Misogyny.

To that end I have always believed Men and women have different proper roles in society. Discipline comes in numerous forms, starting with vernal reprimands and working up to physical spanking and things of that order depending on the offense and the number of times it has taken place.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Have you been reading his posts Emily? Women are for cleaning and cooking. They don't need a brain, he says. He says that abuse is not supposed to be for fun but for disciplinary purposes.

You're the one suggesting that being a homemaker is a brainless task, not me. Personally I see it as a task that requires skills, talents and abilities (including a level of intelligence) that few modern Women possess.

There is no abuse. The fact that YOU cannot separate abuse and discipline says something about YOUR intelligence so far as I'm concerned.

That is where you are wrong. I said, again, any woman who would marry you must not have a brain. Lol. Are you getting it yet?

Stop calling the guy's wife stupid, that isn't cool, and ts' against the rules.

 

[ChrisL]

Why would they want a way to determine that? The first question to be asked is, of what business is it of anyone but the participants?

Hi Darkwind

1. the reason people might care, I would look at the concept of interconnectedness by the Zen Buddhists and Bahai and other open spiritualists who believe that what happens to one person affects the whole:
"An injustice to one is an injustice to all"
or in Islam: Killing one innocent person is like killing all of humanity.

Some people have such a heightened sense of conscience that the pain and suffering of others
becomes their own. (I even saw a video of an environmental activist who did the redwood tree sit protest,
explaining that she actually feels the "spirit or voices" of the trees crying out when the forest is destroyed.
She was being ridiculed for this, but I have met Pagan friends who sense and/or see the spirits of life in other
living things. so this is the level they feel an "interconnectedness" with life, whether we believe in it or not.)
some extreme religious followers in older Eastern cultures won't even breathe air without a mask because they don't want to
kill the tiny bacteria or whatever that die when we breathe -- I've seen diverse versions and extremes to this concept.

2. As far as I know there IS no way to check for abuses when it is still in someone's private domain.
The civil and criminal laws require due process and proof before convicting someone of a violation.

What people tend to do is push for outreach campaigns on the prevention side of abuse by education on the signs of abuse:
NOT to tolerate abuse and rape by playing it down as "boys will be boys" but to recognize rape as a crime
and NOT brush it off as less just because of young men's value and opportunity in football, celebrity status, etc.
NOT to cover up child abuse because of school, church or political authority that people are afraid to report against.

Right now there is a heightened push to address rape attitudes from "No More"
and the Cosby accusers coming out, the Vanderbuilt University cases (<--plural) that have exposed
the pushing of frat parties and covering up rape to "entice recruits" by spoiling them with unchecked sex
that has been reported as "hushed up rape," even multiple rapes according to a student journalist from Vanderbilt
who was roommates with such a victim of multiple assaults by the same football team member/recruiter:
COLUMN Turning a blind eye - The Vanderbilt Hustler Sports

Since abuse prevention BEFORE crimes are committed can only be done by FREE CHOICE, I believe that's why people like ChrisL try so hard to be proactive in checking any attitudes in advance from "leading down that path." Only the people involved can "check their own attitudes" by free choice, where it cannot be assumed who is abusive or sick without proof someone's consent was violated as in rape.

If several people know a Poster here to be a psychotically abusive sick person,
I would recommend getting that person help to treat and cure such conditions
(that I understand, from my own research into this, CAN be cured through spiritual healing
by getting to the root cause and 'rooting that out' so any related abusive behavior is healed and stopped)

for public health and safety this would need to be proven by science, by formal research to establish standard medical procedures for screening and diagnosing "dangerous criminal illness" BEFORE someone commits an abuse or crime.
Similar to testing if cancer tumors are benign, malignant, terminal and in What Stage of progression from cureable to inoperable, BEFORE they progress to deadly and irreversible stages.
(and I am proposing to research and develop such a method to detect criminal-level sick conditions that might show up
in the brain and could be tested for dangerous homicidal or stalking/predatory addictions)

Until then, the most people have is personal observation and reporting complaints or threats of abuse.
So that's what media and educational campaigns are focused on, as Chris is trying to do which I support where it is done right.

We haven't yet perfected a prescribed way of either investigating, reporting, or diagnosing what is
truly sick abusive behavior from criminal illness, and what is just "consenting adults agreeing to such activities."

We can't even prove a lot of rape cases right now, either way, so the defense is legally favored with benefit of the doubt.

If more people AGREED that the sick kind of abusive behavior is something we commit to report and not let slide,
then people like Chris would not go overboard in the other direction trying to outguess and police in advance.

I think where we CAN agree here, if everyone has seen that certain Poster(s) are abusive and in need of professional help,
we can be supportive and try to get THAT person help. Since there is at least a consensus of danger signs there.
(Note: where people are so sick they don't and won't get help, the ONLY thing I know that works
is prayer by the same sources who do spiritual healing, they also pray with family and friends for the sick person
to agree to seek help first, and after such people agree, then they pray for the diagnosis of the cause and healing of
the cause and the symptoms. I know of successful cases, but they all depended on prayer because the person was
too sick and refused help.)

We may not agree on how to distinguish the other types or where the threshold is,
but there is Plenty of healing and help needed on the cases we DO agree is abusive.

the cases at Vanderbilt need support from the public for what the students are trying
to do to stop the abuse of recruitment parties to "traffick women for unchecked sex, even gang rape"
as incentive to football players.

the nomore campaign is calling for people in every community to stand together

and the women rallying around the Bill Cosby cases are calling to end the silencing and blaming of victims
(and I would also push for checks against false accusations that hurt the credibility of real rape victims)

Who is talking about the police? Lol. I just said I think it is sick and the people involved are sick. That is all. Sorry if people find my opinions so upsetting.

I mean personal policing, sorry.

I'm not personal policing. I am stating my opinion on this subject matter. That is what the forum is for.

So what is your intent of pointing out that someone else is being abusive?
You don't care if they keep abusing someone or not, you just want to state you think it is?

What good is it to defend that "you don't believe in child abuse."
But if someone is abusing a child you don't do anything to try to stop it.

????

Yes Emily. These are adults we are referring to. I can't stop them from doing what they want to do. Nor do I want to. I just find the psyche behind a person who derives pleasure from giving another person pain to be interesting.

Child abuse? I would call the police in that instance. Completely different situation. Apples and oranges.

 

[emilynghiem]

Not once did I say a person cannot do this. I said that, in my opinion, people who participate in this kind of thing are not playing with a full deck and would people I would avoid in real life. Obviously, some people are taking my opinions to heart and getting very angry at me about it. Well, too bad. It is a free country still, right? This board is for expressing our opinions.

So you only care that you are not affected.

And you really do not care if other people get hurt by abuses you think are sick?

That doesn't sound right, most people I know don't want others to get hurt if they can't stand it either.
isn't that indirectly something you want, to enforce a better standard where you can help it,
and hope that helps prevent abuse elsewhere? wouldn't you rather it be consistent even if you can't effect that yourself?

 

[ChrisL]

Have you been reading his posts Emily? Women are for cleaning and cooking. They don't need a brain, he says. He says that abuse is not supposed to be for fun but for disciplinary purposes.

You're the one suggesting that being a homemaker is a brainless task, not me. Personally I see it as a task that requires skills, talents and abilities (including a level of intelligence) that few modern Women possess.

There is no abuse. The fact that YOU cannot separate abuse and discipline says something about YOUR intelligence so far as I'm concerned.

That is where you are wrong. I said, again, any woman who would marry you must not have a brain. Lol. Are you getting it yet?

Stop calling the guy's wife stupid, that isn't cool, and ts' against the rules.

You are not a mod. Welcome to my ignore list, since you seem to want to follow me around and bother me. Instead of playing these games with people like you, I am going to ignore you. That is the adult thing to do. Have a nice life.

 

[ChrisL]

Not once did I say a person cannot do this. I said that, in my opinion, people who participate in this kind of thing are not playing with a full deck and would people I would avoid in real life. Obviously, some people are taking my opinions to heart and getting very angry at me about it. Well, too bad. It is a free country still, right? This board is for expressing our opinions.

So you only care that you are not affected.

And you really do not care if other people get hurt by abuses you think are sick?

That doesn't sound right, most people I know don't want others to get hurt if they can't stand it either.
isn't that indirectly something you want, to enforce a better standard where you can help it,
and hope that helps prevent abuse elsewhere? wouldn't you rather it be consistent even if you can't effect that yourself?

Why are you harassing me about this Emily. It is a free country and if two people want to do this, I can't stop them. They are adults. I can think it is abnormal and sick though.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Have you been reading his posts Emily? Women are for cleaning and cooking. They don't need a brain, he says. He says that abuse is not supposed to be for fun but for disciplinary purposes.

You're the one suggesting that being a homemaker is a brainless task, not me. Personally I see it as a task that requires skills, talents and abilities (including a level of intelligence) that few modern Women possess.

There is no abuse. The fact that YOU cannot separate abuse and discipline says something about YOUR intelligence so far as I'm concerned.

That is where you are wrong. I said, again, any woman who would marry you must not have a brain. Lol. Are you getting it yet?

Stop calling the guy's wife stupid, that isn't cool, and ts' against the rules.

You are not a mod. Welcome to my ignore list, since you seem to want to follow me around and bother me. Instead of playing these games with people like you, I am going to ignore you. That is the adult thing to do. Have a nice life.

LOL real adult like there

 

[Anathema]

Stop calling the guy's wife stupid, that isn't cool, and ts' against the rules.

Don't worry about ut. I'd have to care about ChrisL's opinion for it to disturb me.

 

[ChrisL]

I don't like it. I wouldn't participate in it, and I think the people who do participate in this should probably seek some help. That's just my opinion, and we are on a message board. We are supposed to express our opinions on topics that interest us, and yes, I find the psyche behind why a person would want to abuse another person, cause them pain, or be abused by another person is interesting. But, they are both consenting to it, they are both adults, and this is a free country and it isn't against the law, so . . . .

 

[ChrisL]

Stop calling the guy's wife stupid, that isn't cool, and ts' against the rules.

Don't worry about ut. I'd have to care about ChrisL's opinion for it to disturb me.

Apparently you do because you keep addressing my posts. You can put me on ignore though. I don't mind.

 

[ChrisL]

Why would they want a way to determine that? The first question to be asked is, of what business is it of anyone but the participants?

Hi Darkwind

1. the reason people might care, I would look at the concept of interconnectedness by the Zen Buddhists and Bahai and other open spiritualists who believe that what happens to one person affects the whole:
"An injustice to one is an injustice to all"
or in Islam: Killing one innocent person is like killing all of humanity.

Some people have such a heightened sense of conscience that the pain and suffering of others
becomes their own. (I even saw a video of an environmental activist who did the redwood tree sit protest,
explaining that she actually feels the "spirit or voices" of the trees crying out when the forest is destroyed.
She was being ridiculed for this, but I have met Pagan friends who sense and/or see the spirits of life in other
living things. so this is the level they feel an "interconnectedness" with life, whether we believe in it or not.)
some extreme religious followers in older Eastern cultures won't even breathe air without a mask because they don't want to
kill the tiny bacteria or whatever that die when we breathe -- I've seen diverse versions and extremes to this concept.

2. As far as I know there IS no way to check for abuses when it is still in someone's private domain.
The civil and criminal laws require due process and proof before convicting someone of a violation.

What people tend to do is push for outreach campaigns on the prevention side of abuse by education on the signs of abuse:
NOT to tolerate abuse and rape by playing it down as "boys will be boys" but to recognize rape as a crime
and NOT brush it off as less just because of young men's value and opportunity in football, celebrity status, etc.
NOT to cover up child abuse because of school, church or political authority that people are afraid to report against.

Right now there is a heightened push to address rape attitudes from "No More"
and the Cosby accusers coming out, the Vanderbuilt University cases (<--plural) that have exposed
the pushing of frat parties and covering up rape to "entice recruits" by spoiling them with unchecked sex
that has been reported as "hushed up rape," even multiple rapes according to a student journalist from Vanderbilt
who was roommates with such a victim of multiple assaults by the same football team member/recruiter:
COLUMN Turning a blind eye - The Vanderbilt Hustler Sports

Since abuse prevention BEFORE crimes are committed can only be done by FREE CHOICE, I believe that's why people like ChrisL try so hard to be proactive in checking any attitudes in advance from "leading down that path." Only the people involved can "check their own attitudes" by free choice, where it cannot be assumed who is abusive or sick without proof someone's consent was violated as in rape.

If several people know a Poster here to be a psychotically abusive sick person,
I would recommend getting that person help to treat and cure such conditions
(that I understand, from my own research into this, CAN be cured through spiritual healing
by getting to the root cause and 'rooting that out' so any related abusive behavior is healed and stopped)

for public health and safety this would need to be proven by science, by formal research to establish standard medical procedures for screening and diagnosing "dangerous criminal illness" BEFORE someone commits an abuse or crime.
Similar to testing if cancer tumors are benign, malignant, terminal and in What Stage of progression from cureable to inoperable, BEFORE they progress to deadly and irreversible stages.
(and I am proposing to research and develop such a method to detect criminal-level sick conditions that might show up
in the brain and could be tested for dangerous homicidal or stalking/predatory addictions)

Until then, the most people have is personal observation and reporting complaints or threats of abuse.
So that's what media and educational campaigns are focused on, as Chris is trying to do which I support where it is done right.

We haven't yet perfected a prescribed way of either investigating, reporting, or diagnosing what is
truly sick abusive behavior from criminal illness, and what is just "consenting adults agreeing to such activities."

We can't even prove a lot of rape cases right now, either way, so the defense is legally favored with benefit of the doubt.

If more people AGREED that the sick kind of abusive behavior is something we commit to report and not let slide,
then people like Chris would not go overboard in the other direction trying to outguess and police in advance.

I think where we CAN agree here, if everyone has seen that certain Poster(s) are abusive and in need of professional help,
we can be supportive and try to get THAT person help. Since there is at least a consensus of danger signs there.
(Note: where people are so sick they don't and won't get help, the ONLY thing I know that works
is prayer by the same sources who do spiritual healing, they also pray with family and friends for the sick person
to agree to seek help first, and after such people agree, then they pray for the diagnosis of the cause and healing of
the cause and the symptoms. I know of successful cases, but they all depended on prayer because the person was
too sick and refused help.)

We may not agree on how to distinguish the other types or where the threshold is,
but there is Plenty of healing and help needed on the cases we DO agree is abusive.

the cases at Vanderbilt need support from the public for what the students are trying
to do to stop the abuse of recruitment parties to "traffick women for unchecked sex, even gang rape"
as incentive to football players.

the nomore campaign is calling for people in every community to stand together

and the women rallying around the Bill Cosby cases are calling to end the silencing and blaming of victims
(and I would also push for checks against false accusations that hurt the credibility of real rape victims)

Who is talking about the police? Lol. I just said I think it is sick and the people involved are sick. That is all. Sorry if people find my opinions so upsetting.

I mean personal policing, sorry.

I'm not personal policing. I am stating my opinion on this subject matter. That is what the forum is for.

So what is your intent of pointing out that someone else is being abusive?
You don't care if they keep abusing someone or not, you just want to state you think it is?

What good is it to defend that "you don't believe in child abuse."
But if someone is abusing a child you don't do anything to try to stop it.

????

A child is not consenting to the abuse. The adults in these situations are consenting adults. That is the difference.

 

[emilynghiem]

Hi Darkwind

1. the reason people might care, I would look at the concept of interconnectedness by the Zen Buddhists and Bahai and other open spiritualists who believe that what happens to one person affects the whole:
"An injustice to one is an injustice to all"
or in Islam: Killing one innocent person is like killing all of humanity.

Some people have such a heightened sense of conscience that the pain and suffering of others
becomes their own. (I even saw a video of an environmental activist who did the redwood tree sit protest,
explaining that she actually feels the "spirit or voices" of the trees crying out when the forest is destroyed.
She was being ridiculed for this, but I have met Pagan friends who sense and/or see the spirits of life in other
living things. so this is the level they feel an "interconnectedness" with life, whether we believe in it or not.)
some extreme religious followers in older Eastern cultures won't even breathe air without a mask because they don't want to
kill the tiny bacteria or whatever that die when we breathe -- I've seen diverse versions and extremes to this concept.

2. As far as I know there IS no way to check for abuses when it is still in someone's private domain.
The civil and criminal laws require due process and proof before convicting someone of a violation.

What people tend to do is push for outreach campaigns on the prevention side of abuse by education on the signs of abuse:
NOT to tolerate abuse and rape by playing it down as "boys will be boys" but to recognize rape as a crime
and NOT brush it off as less just because of young men's value and opportunity in football, celebrity status, etc.
NOT to cover up child abuse because of school, church or political authority that people are afraid to report against.

Right now there is a heightened push to address rape attitudes from "No More"
and the Cosby accusers coming out, the Vanderbuilt University cases (<--plural) that have exposed
the pushing of frat parties and covering up rape to "entice recruits" by spoiling them with unchecked sex
that has been reported as "hushed up rape," even multiple rapes according to a student journalist from Vanderbilt
who was roommates with such a victim of multiple assaults by the same football team member/recruiter:
COLUMN Turning a blind eye - The Vanderbilt Hustler Sports

Since abuse prevention BEFORE crimes are committed can only be done by FREE CHOICE, I believe that's why people like ChrisL try so hard to be proactive in checking any attitudes in advance from "leading down that path." Only the people involved can "check their own attitudes" by free choice, where it cannot be assumed who is abusive or sick without proof someone's consent was violated as in rape.

If several people know a Poster here to be a psychotically abusive sick person,
I would recommend getting that person help to treat and cure such conditions
(that I understand, from my own research into this, CAN be cured through spiritual healing
by getting to the root cause and 'rooting that out' so any related abusive behavior is healed and stopped)

for public health and safety this would need to be proven by science, by formal research to establish standard medical procedures for screening and diagnosing "dangerous criminal illness" BEFORE someone commits an abuse or crime.
Similar to testing if cancer tumors are benign, malignant, terminal and in What Stage of progression from cureable to inoperable, BEFORE they progress to deadly and irreversible stages.
(and I am proposing to research and develop such a method to detect criminal-level sick conditions that might show up
in the brain and could be tested for dangerous homicidal or stalking/predatory addictions)

Until then, the most people have is personal observation and reporting complaints or threats of abuse.
So that's what media and educational campaigns are focused on, as Chris is trying to do which I support where it is done right.

We haven't yet perfected a prescribed way of either investigating, reporting, or diagnosing what is
truly sick abusive behavior from criminal illness, and what is just "consenting adults agreeing to such activities."

We can't even prove a lot of rape cases right now, either way, so the defense is legally favored with benefit of the doubt.

If more people AGREED that the sick kind of abusive behavior is something we commit to report and not let slide,
then people like Chris would not go overboard in the other direction trying to outguess and police in advance.

I think where we CAN agree here, if everyone has seen that certain Poster(s) are abusive and in need of professional help,
we can be supportive and try to get THAT person help. Since there is at least a consensus of danger signs there.
(Note: where people are so sick they don't and won't get help, the ONLY thing I know that works
is prayer by the same sources who do spiritual healing, they also pray with family and friends for the sick person
to agree to seek help first, and after such people agree, then they pray for the diagnosis of the cause and healing of
the cause and the symptoms. I know of successful cases, but they all depended on prayer because the person was
too sick and refused help.)

We may not agree on how to distinguish the other types or where the threshold is,
but there is Plenty of healing and help needed on the cases we DO agree is abusive.

the cases at Vanderbilt need support from the public for what the students are trying
to do to stop the abuse of recruitment parties to "traffick women for unchecked sex, even gang rape"
as incentive to football players.

the nomore campaign is calling for people in every community to stand together

and the women rallying around the Bill Cosby cases are calling to end the silencing and blaming of victims
(and I would also push for checks against false accusations that hurt the credibility of real rape victims)

Who is talking about the police? Lol. I just said I think it is sick and the people involved are sick. That is all. Sorry if people find my opinions so upsetting.

I mean personal policing, sorry.

I'm not personal policing. I am stating my opinion on this subject matter. That is what the forum is for.

So what is your intent of pointing out that someone else is being abusive?
You don't care if they keep abusing someone or not, you just want to state you think it is?

What good is it to defend that "you don't believe in child abuse."
But if someone is abusing a child you don't do anything to try to stop it.

????

Yes Emily. These are adults we are referring to. I can't stop them from doing what they want to do. Nor do I want to. I just find the psyche behind a person who derives pleasure from giving another person pain to be interesting.

Child abuse? I would call the police in that instance. Completely different situation. Apples and oranges.

So if there WAS a place you could call to report Potential threats or abuses, including "sick people who need therapy" would you call in cases that meet that criteria? And the problem is there isn't such a system set up to handle
suspicious cases where there isn't proof of abuse or crime yet?

Since you already believe certain people are sick,
what is the criteria or system that would need to be in place
for you to report cases of the level you state above (as such people are sick if they
derive pleasure from causing pain to others)

 

[ChrisL]

Who is talking about the police? Lol. I just said I think it is sick and the people involved are sick. That is all. Sorry if people find my opinions so upsetting.

I mean personal policing, sorry.

I'm not personal policing. I am stating my opinion on this subject matter. That is what the forum is for.

So what is your intent of pointing out that someone else is being abusive?
You don't care if they keep abusing someone or not, you just want to state you think it is?

What good is it to defend that "you don't believe in child abuse."
But if someone is abusing a child you don't do anything to try to stop it.

????

Yes Emily. These are adults we are referring to. I can't stop them from doing what they want to do. Nor do I want to. I just find the psyche behind a person who derives pleasure from giving another person pain to be interesting.

Child abuse? I would call the police in that instance. Completely different situation. Apples and oranges.

So if there WAS a place you could call to report Potential threats or abuses, including "sick people who need therapy" would you call in cases that meet that criteria? And the problem is there isn't such a system set up to handle
suspicious cases where there isn't proof of abuse or crime yet?

Since you already believe certain people are sick,
what is the criteria or system that would need to be in place
for you to report cases of the level you state above (as such people are sick if they
derive pleasure from causing pain to others)

Look Emily . . . I am not on a mission here. I am just giving my opinion. If that bothers some people, that is just too bad. I am a free person who is free to express my opinions of things, just like anyone else.

 

[emilynghiem]

Stop calling the guy's wife stupid, that isn't cool, and ts' against the rules.

Don't worry about ut. I'd have to care about ChrisL's opinion for it to disturb me.

Apparently you do because you keep addressing my posts. You can put me on ignore though. I don't mind.

is this passive aggressive behavior or similar?
where you SAY you don't care and can't change what people do who are consenting adults
but then you keep insisting on defending your point to people who disagree?

the one point I do try to change people's minds on is showing how it is possible
and may be legally necessary to prove spiritual healing works to diagnose and treat such sicknesses
if more people support this, that would PREVENT trying to guess and making mistakes in judging, either way,
either letting sick people hurt others or falsely accusing the wrong people; both can be prevented by medical diagnosis
and standard procedures if this can be perfected to match what spiritual healing has diagnosed and cured.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Stop calling the guy's wife stupid, that isn't cool, and ts' against the rules.

Don't worry about ut. I'd have to care about ChrisL's opinion for it to disturb me.

Apparently you do because you keep addressing my posts. You can put me on ignore though. I don't mind.

is this passive aggressive behavior or similar?
where you SAY you don't care and can't change what people do who are consenting adults
but then you keep insisting on defending your point to people who disagree?

the one point I do try to change people's minds on is showing how it is possible
and may be legally necessary to prove spiritual healing works to diagnose and treat such sicknesses
if more people support this, that would PREVENT trying to guess and making mistakes in judging, either way,
either letting sick people hurt others or falsely accusing the wrong people; both can be prevented by medical diagnosis
and standard procedures if this can be perfected to match what spiritual healing has diagnosed and cured.

ChrisL is insane, she keeps insisting that she has a right to her opinion, while ignoring and trying to shut up those with whom she disagrees.

 

[emilynghiem]

I mean personal policing, sorry.

I'm not personal policing. I am stating my opinion on this subject matter. That is what the forum is for.

So what is your intent of pointing out that someone else is being abusive?
You don't care if they keep abusing someone or not, you just want to state you think it is?

What good is it to defend that "you don't believe in child abuse."
But if someone is abusing a child you don't do anything to try to stop it.

????

Yes Emily. These are adults we are referring to. I can't stop them from doing what they want to do. Nor do I want to. I just find the psyche behind a person who derives pleasure from giving another person pain to be interesting.

Child abuse? I would call the police in that instance. Completely different situation. Apples and oranges.

So if there WAS a place you could call to report Potential threats or abuses, including "sick people who need therapy" would you call in cases that meet that criteria? And the problem is there isn't such a system set up to handle
suspicious cases where there isn't proof of abuse or crime yet?

Since you already believe certain people are sick,
what is the criteria or system that would need to be in place
for you to report cases of the level you state above (as such people are sick if they
derive pleasure from causing pain to others)

Look Emily . . . I am not on a mission here. I am just giving my opinion. If that bothers some people, that is just too bad. I am a free person who is free to express my opinions of things, just like anyone else.

I'm saying you would be more effective in making your point and preventing the backlash
if it were made more consistently.

You can keep doing it this way
but it doesn't make much sense to most people
to keep stating over and over you think it is sick and abusive
if (1) you don't intend to change anyone's minds about it
(2) you don't intend to take any real action to prevent such abuses or address
such sickness "you claim to be against"

Why would I keep repeating "well I think that pollution is bad"
if it serves no purpose in addressing or correction the problem of pollution?

That's fine if your only point is to enforce your opinion.
But I think taking action to do something about the problem
is MUCH MORE INFLUENTIAL and has more impact toward getting rid of that which is sick and abusive.

 

[emilynghiem]

Stop calling the guy's wife stupid, that isn't cool, and ts' against the rules.

Don't worry about ut. I'd have to care about ChrisL's opinion for it to disturb me.

Apparently you do because you keep addressing my posts. You can put me on ignore though. I don't mind.

is this passive aggressive behavior or similar?
where you SAY you don't care and can't change what people do who are consenting adults
but then you keep insisting on defending your point to people who disagree?

the one point I do try to change people's minds on is showing how it is possible
and may be legally necessary to prove spiritual healing works to diagnose and treat such sicknesses
if more people support this, that would PREVENT trying to guess and making mistakes in judging, either way,
either letting sick people hurt others or falsely accusing the wrong people; both can be prevented by medical diagnosis
and standard procedures if this can be perfected to match what spiritual healing has diagnosed and cured.

ChrisL is insane, she keeps insisting that she has a right to her opinion, while ignoring and trying to shut up those with whom she disagrees.

Not trying to shut up others but trying to defend herself from criticisms,
which I am trying to explain wouldn't come up if she were consistent.

if she were trying to correct t hese problems seriously, people might respect that
instead of just stating over and over I think that's sick and messed up.

So what? why say that if you aren't going to do a dang thing to change it?
doesn't make as much sense as someone advocating for a solution to what is opposed as sick and abusive.

This may be a personal exercise in how to communicate effectively,
what works and why
and what fails and why.

SmarterThanTheAverageBear
if you are saying you are reacting negatively because ChrisL comes
across as trying to shut others up, how can this be changed.
what should be different in communication or perception so it isn't
just her pushing her opinion while disrespecting others she assumes are sick
or deficient in some way. How would you address this?

someone said self-righteous or judgmental.
what is the right way to say what Chris is aying
without being or without coming across as self-righteous
and disrespectful of where others are coming from right now?