Q1 2019 watch - if under 3.0% - where is Trump’s economic miracle - can Trump beat O’s 2.9% ever?

Thinker101, post: 22164601,
. If you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem..

Why is pointing out that TrumpO’s highest GDP was 2.9 in 2018 and Obama’s highest GDP
Was 2.9 in 2015?

They are tied for highest GDP.

And pointing out that TrumpO said Obama’s economy was anemic because.

"Obama is the first president in modern history not to have a single year of 3 percent growth," Trump said during an Oct. 28 campaign rally in Manchester, N.H.

Trump's claim about Obama's weak economic growth is limited

So if the two president’s are tied on highest GDP at 2.9 why is one economy anemic and the other the greatest economy there ever was.?

Why is it being part of the problem to ask such a question.

Why are the TrumpOroids so butt hurt over a question based on the fact the the two president’s are in a tie on the major indicator of economic performance?.

Why don’t you just answer the simple question if you have an answer.

Why is one economy anemic and the other the greatest economy there ever was.?

Regulations, dumbass....and lazy slugs such as yourself.
So more regulations in 2015 and fewer regulations in 2018.... higher taxes in 2015 and lower taxes in 2018 ... both produced annual growth of 2.9%. The big difference was the FY2015 deficit increased only $300b while the FY2018 deficit increased one trillion dollars more than that at $1.3t.

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2018
 
Thinker101, post: 22164601,
. If you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem..

Why is pointing out that TrumpO’s highest GDP was 2.9 in 2018 and Obama’s highest GDP
Was 2.9 in 2015?

They are tied for highest GDP.

And pointing out that TrumpO said Obama’s economy was anemic because.

"Obama is the first president in modern history not to have a single year of 3 percent growth," Trump said during an Oct. 28 campaign rally in Manchester, N.H.

Trump's claim about Obama's weak economic growth is limited

So if the two president’s are tied on highest GDP at 2.9 why is one economy anemic and the other the greatest economy there ever was.?

Why is it being part of the problem to ask such a question.

Why are the TrumpOroids so butt hurt over a question based on the fact the the two president’s are in a tie on the major indicator of economic performance?.

Why don’t you just answer the simple question if you have an answer.

Why is one economy anemic and the other the greatest economy there ever was.?

Regulations, dumbass....and lazy slugs such as yourself.
So more regulations in 2015 and fewer regulations in 2018.... higher taxes in 2015 and lower taxes in 2018 ... both produced annual growth of 2.9%. The big difference was the FY2015 deficit increased only $300b while the FY2018 deficit increased one trillion dollars more than that at $1.3t.

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2018

Yep, Obama sure made up for it.
Obama’s real debt and deficit legacy
 
Thinker101, post: 22164601,
. If you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem..

Why is pointing out that TrumpO’s highest GDP was 2.9 in 2018 and Obama’s highest GDP
Was 2.9 in 2015?

They are tied for highest GDP.

And pointing out that TrumpO said Obama’s economy was anemic because.

"Obama is the first president in modern history not to have a single year of 3 percent growth," Trump said during an Oct. 28 campaign rally in Manchester, N.H.

Trump's claim about Obama's weak economic growth is limited

So if the two president’s are tied on highest GDP at 2.9 why is one economy anemic and the other the greatest economy there ever was.?

Why is it being part of the problem to ask such a question.

Why are the TrumpOroids so butt hurt over a question based on the fact the the two president’s are in a tie on the major indicator of economic performance?.

Why don’t you just answer the simple question if you have an answer.

Why is one economy anemic and the other the greatest economy there ever was.?

Regulations, dumbass....and lazy slugs such as yourself.
So more regulations in 2015 and fewer regulations in 2018.... higher taxes in 2015 and lower taxes in 2018 ... both produced annual growth of 2.9%. The big difference was the FY2015 deficit increased only $300b while the FY2018 deficit increased one trillion dollars more than that at $1.3t.

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2018

Yep, Obama sure made up for it.
Obama’s real debt and deficit legacy
The nice thing about rightwingnut sites like that is they conveniently attribute debt from Bush's final budget and Bush's Great Recession to Obama.

rte4uf.gif
 
I do not say that Obama did a bad job on the economy. Overall, Obama did a pretty decent job on the economy, certainly better than Bush did. My point is that Trump is doing considerably better on the economy than Obama did.

One of the reasons that Obama did a fairly good job on the economy is that he ignored the radical wing of his party and made most of the Bush tax cuts permanent. He also signed off on preserving over $700 billion in tax breaks and lifted the ban on oil exports in the 2015 two-year budget deal.

Obama did do a bad job with the economy and Trump is only marginally better. The best thing you can say about Trump is that he kept the momentum going.

I know you have this myth programmed into your hard drive, but it's just not true. Trump has done much more than just keeping the momentum going. He has significantly improved on Obama's numbers--in wages, in manufacturing jobs, in persons employed part-time for economic reasons, in jobless claims, in GDP growth, in the U-6 rate, etc.

What I have programmed is the math, not the myth.

The U6 dropped 42.6% under Obama and 22.6% under Trump.

People employed part time for economic reasons dropped 36.2% under Obama and 24.4% under Trump.

Initial jobless claims...been dropping for 10 years

View attachment 268059

manufacturing jobs going up for 9 years.

View attachment 268062

Annual GDP growth..best Trump has is 2.9%, which was the best Obama had.

These are the facts, the cold hard facts.

Just accept the fact that your god is only marginally better than the second worst POTUS ever
Suuuuuuuuure!
CEA's Kevin Hassett discusses the economy
 
Thinker101, post: 22164601,
. If you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem..

Why is pointing out that TrumpO’s highest GDP was 2.9 in 2018 and Obama’s highest GDP
Was 2.9 in 2015?

They are tied for highest GDP.

And pointing out that TrumpO said Obama’s economy was anemic because.

"Obama is the first president in modern history not to have a single year of 3 percent growth," Trump said during an Oct. 28 campaign rally in Manchester, N.H.

Trump's claim about Obama's weak economic growth is limited

So if the two president’s are tied on highest GDP at 2.9 why is one economy anemic and the other the greatest economy there ever was.?

Why is it being part of the problem to ask such a question.

Why are the TrumpOroids so butt hurt over a question based on the fact the the two president’s are in a tie on the major indicator of economic performance?.

Why don’t you just answer the simple question if you have an answer.

Why is one economy anemic and the other the greatest economy there ever was.?

Regulations, dumbass....and lazy slugs such as yourself.
So more regulations in 2015 and fewer regulations in 2018.... higher taxes in 2015 and lower taxes in 2018 ... both produced annual growth of 2.9%. The big difference was the FY2015 deficit increased only $300b while the FY2018 deficit increased one trillion dollars more than that at $1.3t.

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2018

Yep, Obama sure made up for it.
Obama’s real debt and deficit legacy
The nice thing about rightwingnut sites like that is they conveniently attribute debt from Bush's final budget and Bush's Great Recession to Obama.

rte4uf.gif


Yep, with Obama, it's always someone else's fault.
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I do not say that Obama did a bad job on the economy. Overall, Obama did a pretty decent job on the economy, certainly better than Bush did. My point is that Trump is doing considerably better on the economy than Obama did.

One of the reasons that Obama did a fairly good job on the economy is that he ignored the radical wing of his party and made most of the Bush tax cuts permanent. He also signed off on preserving over $700 billion in tax breaks and lifted the ban on oil exports in the 2015 two-year budget deal.

Obama did do a bad job with the economy and Trump is only marginally better. The best thing you can say about Trump is that he kept the momentum going.

I know you have this myth programmed into your hard drive, but it's just not true. Trump has done much more than just keeping the momentum going. He has significantly improved on Obama's numbers--in wages, in manufacturing jobs, in persons employed part-time for economic reasons, in jobless claims, in GDP growth, in the U-6 rate, etc.

What I have programmed is the math, not the myth.

The U6 dropped 42.6% under Obama and 22.6% under Trump.

People employed part time for economic reasons dropped 36.2% under Obama and 24.4% under Trump.

Initial jobless claims...been dropping for 10 years

View attachment 268059

manufacturing jobs going up for 9 years.

View attachment 268062

Annual GDP growth..best Trump has is 2.9%, which was the best Obama had.

These are the facts, the cold hard facts.

Just accept the fact that your god is only marginally better than the second worst POTUS ever
Suuuuuuuuure!
CEA's Kevin Hassett discusses the economy

Once again I give facts and you people give talking heads.
 
Thinker101, post: 22665587,
Regulations, dumbass...

Quote unquote “unquote” cannot be the answer. The question is why is one president’s highest GDP at 2.9 in 2015 anemic while the other president’s 2.9 GDP in 2018 the greatest economy in US history?

I’m assuming you believe Obama’s GDP stifled GDP and TrumpO’s cancelation of regulation energized GDP.

But the result is the same despite the underlying factors.

With regulations 2015 produced 2.9 GDP
And supposedly without some regulations 2018 produced 2.9 GDP.

My understanding of math tells that the regulated economy and the deregulated economy are the same. The deregulated economy is not in fraction of a percentage point greater or better than the regulated one.
 
Thinker101, post: 22164601,Why is pointing out that TrumpO’s highest GDP was 2.9 in 2018 and Obama’s highest GDP
Was 2.9 in 2015?

They are tied for highest GDP.

And pointing out that TrumpO said Obama’s economy was anemic because.

"Obama is the first president in modern history not to have a single year of 3 percent growth," Trump said during an Oct. 28 campaign rally in Manchester, N.H.

Trump's claim about Obama's weak economic growth is limited

So if the two president’s are tied on highest GDP at 2.9 why is one economy anemic and the other the greatest economy there ever was.?

Why is it being part of the problem to ask such a question.

Why are the TrumpOroids so butt hurt over a question based on the fact the the two president’s are in a tie on the major indicator of economic performance?.

Why don’t you just answer the simple question if you have an answer.

Why is one economy anemic and the other the greatest economy there ever was.?

Regulations, dumbass....and lazy slugs such as yourself.
So more regulations in 2015 and fewer regulations in 2018.... higher taxes in 2015 and lower taxes in 2018 ... both produced annual growth of 2.9%. The big difference was the FY2015 deficit increased only $300b while the FY2018 deficit increased one trillion dollars more than that at $1.3t.

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2018

Yep, Obama sure made up for it.
Obama’s real debt and deficit legacy
The nice thing about rightwingnut sites like that is they conveniently attribute debt from Bush's final budget and Bush's Great Recession to Obama.

rte4uf.gif


Yep, with Obama, it's always someone else's fault.
th
LOL

So you really are stupid enough to think the deficits from Bush's final budget and from Bush's Great Recession are Obama's fault. :cuckoo:

See that? Those rightwingnut sites you rely on are not wasted on idiots like you.
 
Thinker101, post: 22665587,
Regulations, dumbass...

Quote unquote “unquote” cannot be the answer. The question is why is one president’s highest GDP at 2.9 in 2015 anemic while the other president’s 2.9 GDP in 2018 the greatest economy in US history?

I’m assuming you believe Obama’s GDP stifled GDP and TrumpO’s cancelation of regulation energized GDP.

But the result is the same despite the underlying factors.

With regulations 2015 produced 2.9 GDP
And supposedly without some regulations 2018 produced 2.9 GDP.

My understanding of math tells that the regulated economy and the deregulated economy are the same. The deregulated economy is not in fraction of a percentage point greater or better than the regulated one.

I see, so you want to just focus on the percentages, nothing that affects those percentages. By the same token, at the end of the month and you have no money, you want to just focus on the fact you have no more money, who cares if you pissed that money away on useless things throughout the month.
 
Regulations, dumbass....and lazy slugs such as yourself.
So more regulations in 2015 and fewer regulations in 2018.... higher taxes in 2015 and lower taxes in 2018 ... both produced annual growth of 2.9%. The big difference was the FY2015 deficit increased only $300b while the FY2018 deficit increased one trillion dollars more than that at $1.3t.

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2018

Yep, Obama sure made up for it.
Obama’s real debt and deficit legacy
The nice thing about rightwingnut sites like that is they conveniently attribute debt from Bush's final budget and Bush's Great Recession to Obama.

rte4uf.gif


Yep, with Obama, it's always someone else's fault.
th
LOL

So you really are stupid enough to think the deficits from Bush's final budget and from Bush's Great Recession are Obama's fault. :cuckoo:

See that? Those rightwingnut sites you rely on are not wasted on idiots like you.

Great, then you would admit this is Trumps economy?
 
mikegriffith1, post: 22664969
My point is that Trump is doing considerably better on the economy than Obama did.

That’s subjective opinion. Which is fine. I disagree because TrumpO started in a better position - there was no crisis to deal with - the Fed was doing its proper monetary tightening based on low inflation and low unemployment that was handed to TrumpO.

TrumpO’s tax cuts were a deviation from norms and necessity, they failed to do in terms of GDP what they were intended to do and they are not paying for themselves.

Because the GDP under TrumpO is in an exact tie at 2.9 with Obama, and because TrumpO is failing in reducing the debt during good economic conditions, I find it very hard to go beyond concluding that TrumpO and Obma get equal grades in the economy. Both at B-.

Even up.

If The Fed needs to lower rates and we still fall into a recession in 2020 I think I will righfully lower TrumpO to an F.
 
So more regulations in 2015 and fewer regulations in 2018.... higher taxes in 2015 and lower taxes in 2018 ... both produced annual growth of 2.9%. The big difference was the FY2015 deficit increased only $300b while the FY2018 deficit increased one trillion dollars more than that at $1.3t.

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2018

Yep, Obama sure made up for it.
Obama’s real debt and deficit legacy
The nice thing about rightwingnut sites like that is they conveniently attribute debt from Bush's final budget and Bush's Great Recession to Obama.

rte4uf.gif


Yep, with Obama, it's always someone else's fault.
th
LOL

So you really are stupid enough to think the deficits from Bush's final budget and from Bush's Great Recession are Obama's fault. :cuckoo:

See that? Those rightwingnut sites you rely on are not wasted on idiots like you.

Great, then you would admit this is Trumps economy?
Of course I do. Exactly how fucked in the head are you?
 
WTH_Progs?, post: 22662192
Don't look now, but Trump could only set historically low unemployment rates. In fact it was worth repeating three times. Must be cuz Obama.

Did TrumpO teach you the best way to handle getting caught in a lie is to keep repeating it

Explain to the readers how Obama could have set record low unemployment having started at 9.9 and not setting the record low before leaving office.

When progs aren't telling stories and declaring the victim role they're projecting. Not Fooled By Truth is a prime example.
 
Thinker101, post: 22666233
see, so you want to just focus on the percentages, nothing that affects those percentages.

How else do we measure a president’s performance on the overall economy? And In using the bar that Trump set himself not some arbitrary measurement I pulled out of thin air.

All you need to say is that IN terms of single year GDP TrumpO is no better than Obama and visa versa.

What is so difficult with stating or acknowledging a straightforward irrefutable fact?
 
Thinker101, post: 22666240,
Great, then you would admit this is Trumps economy?

This is TrumpO’s economy. In 2018 it produced a high in GDP at 2.9.

In 2015 it was Obama’s economy. It also produced a high in GDP at 2.9.

Your fellow TrumpOroids are posting that 2015 was not Obama’s economy. Obama’s only economy was 2016.

Do you agree with them?
 
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He has significantly improved on Obama's numbers--in wages, in manufacturing jobs, in persons employed part-time for economic reasons, in jobless claims, in GDP growth, in the U-6 rate, etc.


TrumpO has not changed the trajectory (steady rate of improvement) trending pattern,
over any of those with the exception perhaps of manufacturing jobs.

He has not improved GDP growth one iota.
 
Thinker101, post: 22666233
see, so you want to just focus on the percentages, nothing that affects those percentages.

How else do we measure a president’s performance on the overall economy? And In using the bar that Trump set himself not some arbitrary measurement I pulled out of thin air.

All you need to say is that IN terms of single year GDP TrumpO is no better than Obama and visa versa.

What is so difficult with stating or acknowledging a straightforward irrefutable fact?

How is it NOTFOOLEDBYTRUTH keeps saying Obama's GDP is equal Trump's when he KNOWS that's not true? (Obama average GDP growth was 1.59%, Trump's average GDP growth is 2.73%). And WTF do other progs agree with him?

How is it NOTFOOLEDBYTRUTH is unable comprehend basic math, logic and economics to understand Trump's unemployment rate cannot be less than zero?

How is it NOTFOOLEDBYTRUTH is unable to respond when asked if he knows how the unemployment rate is calculated?

How is it NOTFOOLEDBYTRUTH is unable to comprehend there's greater room for rapid growth following a recession (aka economic recovery)?

How is it NOTFOOLEDBYTRUTH is unable to respond when asked what Obama did to improve the economy?

How is it NOTFOOLEDBYTRUTH is unable to respond to the fact interest rates were historically low on Obama's watch, which is the primary contributor to an improved economy? Rates that have risen on Trump's watch.

How is it NOTFOOLEDBYTRUTH states Trump's unemployment could only be historically low?

How is it NOTFOOLEDBYTRUTH is unable to acknowledge the Democrats controlled congress when the "Bush Recession" occurred?
 
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Here’s the record thru 2018:
View attachment 254781

U.S. - GDP growth by year 1990-2017 | Statista

Trump and Obama are tied a 2.9 Best full year of GDP growth.

Do you think Trump’s Q1 this year will break the tie and boost Trump to 3.0 or more?

Do you believe Trump will ever get a full year of GDP growth this high?

View attachment 254787

Some experts - The liberal fake news WSJ is forecasting 1.4% for Q1.


Trump supporters tell us your forecast?

What happens if Trump’s third year ends (GDP-wise) anywhere below Obama’s 2.9% in 2015?

According to Trump 2.9 is anemic and weak.

"Obama is the first president in modern history not to have a single year of 3 percent growth," Trump said during an Oct. 28 campaign rally in Manchester, N.H.

Trump's claim about Obama's weak economic growth is limited

Do you think Trump will be the second president in modern history not to have a single year of 3 percent growth,"

What does an “anemic” Trump do for Obama’s legacy?
  • Moving forward, there are reasons to believe that growth will continue to be slower than was originally hoped. Annual U.S. GDP growth exceeding 3.0 percent, as experienced in the mid- to late 1990s and mid-2000s, is not expected to be attainable over the coming decade.
The U.S. economy to 2022: settling into a new normal : Monthly Labor Review: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Are we settling into a new normal that is not so horrible without 3% sustained GDP growth?
Apples and Oranges, you buffoon. Obummer had the pleasure of having the fed rates at 0
And trump had the pleasure of having minority unemployment not far from record lows handed to him.
In reality, having good economic numbers is not an advantage for a president because making further improvements is that much more difficult the better they are.
Not that difficult while the job market is sizzling hot, posting some 83 consecutive months of job growth.
You think it's just as easy to go from 4.8% to zero as it is to go from 10% to 4.8%? What an idiot. Just admit you turds will use any excuse to attack Trump. If he walked on water, you would claim it was because he's afraid to get wet.
 
Here’s the record thru 2018:
View attachment 254781

U.S. - GDP growth by year 1990-2017 | Statista

Trump and Obama are tied a 2.9 Best full year of GDP growth.

Do you think Trump’s Q1 this year will break the tie and boost Trump to 3.0 or more?

Do you believe Trump will ever get a full year of GDP growth this high?

View attachment 254787

Some experts - The liberal fake news WSJ is forecasting 1.4% for Q1.


Trump supporters tell us your forecast?

What happens if Trump’s third year ends (GDP-wise) anywhere below Obama’s 2.9% in 2015?

According to Trump 2.9 is anemic and weak.

"Obama is the first president in modern history not to have a single year of 3 percent growth," Trump said during an Oct. 28 campaign rally in Manchester, N.H.

Trump's claim about Obama's weak economic growth is limited

Do you think Trump will be the second president in modern history not to have a single year of 3 percent growth,"

What does an “anemic” Trump do for Obama’s legacy?
  • Moving forward, there are reasons to believe that growth will continue to be slower than was originally hoped. Annual U.S. GDP growth exceeding 3.0 percent, as experienced in the mid- to late 1990s and mid-2000s, is not expected to be attainable over the coming decade.
The U.S. economy to 2022: settling into a new normal : Monthly Labor Review: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Are we settling into a new normal that is not so horrible without 3% sustained GDP growth?
Apples and Oranges, you buffoon. Obummer had the pleasure of having the fed rates at 0
And trump had the pleasure of having minority unemployment not far from record lows handed to him.
In reality, having good economic numbers is not an advantage for a president because making further improvements is that much more difficult the better they are.
Not that difficult while the job market is sizzling hot, posting some 83 consecutive months of job growth.
You think it's just as easy to go from 4.8% to zero as it is to go from 10% to 4.8%? What an idiot. Just admit you turds will use any excuse to attack Trump. If he walked on water, you would claim it was because he's afraid to get wet.

Exactly.

When the ball bounces it increases velocity as it rises. I know this cuz I'm a prog-head, and everyday is opposite day.
 
Here’s the record thru 2018:
View attachment 254781

U.S. - GDP growth by year 1990-2017 | Statista

Trump and Obama are tied a 2.9 Best full year of GDP growth.

Do you think Trump’s Q1 this year will break the tie and boost Trump to 3.0 or more?

Do you believe Trump will ever get a full year of GDP growth this high?

View attachment 254787

Some experts - The liberal fake news WSJ is forecasting 1.4% for Q1.


Trump supporters tell us your forecast?

What happens if Trump’s third year ends (GDP-wise) anywhere below Obama’s 2.9% in 2015?

According to Trump 2.9 is anemic and weak.

"Obama is the first president in modern history not to have a single year of 3 percent growth," Trump said during an Oct. 28 campaign rally in Manchester, N.H.

Trump's claim about Obama's weak economic growth is limited

Do you think Trump will be the second president in modern history not to have a single year of 3 percent growth,"

What does an “anemic” Trump do for Obama’s legacy?
  • Moving forward, there are reasons to believe that growth will continue to be slower than was originally hoped. Annual U.S. GDP growth exceeding 3.0 percent, as experienced in the mid- to late 1990s and mid-2000s, is not expected to be attainable over the coming decade.
The U.S. economy to 2022: settling into a new normal : Monthly Labor Review: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Are we settling into a new normal that is not so horrible without 3% sustained GDP growth?
Apples and Oranges, you buffoon. Obummer had the pleasure of having the fed rates at 0
And trump had the pleasure of having minority unemployment not far from record lows handed to him.
In reality, having good economic numbers is not an advantage for a president because making further improvements is that much more difficult the better they are.
Not that difficult while the job market is sizzling hot, posting some 83 consecutive months of job growth.
You think it's just as easy to go from 4.8% to zero as it is to go from 10% to 4.8%? What an idiot. Just admit you turds will use any excuse to attack Trump. If he walked on water, you would claim it was because he's afraid to get wet.
Fucking moron, I never said that was easy .... or even possible. Your brain is so fucking deformed, you actually read what I wrote and you think that's what I said. :cuckoo:

What I said was .... the job market was already growing at an unprecedented rate (83 consecutive months in the private sector). That kept growing at the same rate under trump. Meanwhile, you rightards praise trump while bashing Obama because you really are as fucked in the head as you appear.

If I took away the grid lines and the dates, you wouldn't even be able to tell me at what point Obama left office and trump entered...


... what trump gets credit for is not fucking up the economy he was handed by Obama.
 

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