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True. But usually with a different twist on the topic.
This snowden dude gets nothing but love affair topics.
As he should, you Loyalist. Even if you're opposed to Obama, you are clearly aligned with the government, via the GOP instead. Loyalist.
How hard is it to get through your THICK PARTISAN SKULLS that you can be AGAINST the policies of spying WITHOUT idolizing some fucking low level snitch that subsequently runs like a fucking coward?
Or are you all just the damage Obama at ANY expense crowd?
A hero DOES NOT run from his problems. That is the tactic of a total chickenshit.
Beats being tortured. Besides he has more slime to spill on your corrupt administration.
You are quite the moron if you haven't figured out by now that I despise Obama.
Shame you can't articulate a reasonable response without defaulting to mindless innacurate insults.
Were Snowden a hero, he would have stayed to face the charges for revealing the extent of the domestic spying. He did not, he ran first to China, and then to Russia, and will most likely end up in Venezuela. Some damned hero.
Either the act of leaking this information was heroic, or it wasn't. Whether he gets thrown in a hole like Bradley Manning is irrelevant to that question.
How hard is it to get through your THICK PARTISAN SKULLS that you can be AGAINST the policies of spying WITHOUT idolizing some fucking low level snitch that subsequently runs like a fucking coward?
Or are you all just the damage Obama at ANY expense crowd?
We're the transparency in government regardless of who's in charge crowd.
I believe YOU to be that. Some of these other guys though? Laughable
Beats being tortured. Besides he has more slime to spill on your corrupt administration.
You are quite the moron if you haven't figured out by now that I despise Obama.
Shame you can't articulate a reasonable response without defaulting to mindless innacurate insults.
Statist is a Statist..doesn't matter if there is a R or D beside his name...and you are a statist thug.
You are quite the moron if you haven't figured out by now that I despise Obama.
Shame you can't articulate a reasonable response without defaulting to mindless innacurate insults.
Statist is a Statist..doesn't matter if there is a R or D beside his name...and you are a statist thug.
More nonsensical name calling. You simply can't counter my point. Cowards dont flee.
Idiolizing someone who may or may not have done the right thing but then runs away from the consequences is just sad.
Statist is a Statist..doesn't matter if there is a R or D beside his name...and you are a statist thug.
More nonsensical name calling. You simply can't counter my point. Cowards dont flee.
Idiolizing someone who may or may not have done the right thing but then runs away from the consequences is just sad.
When we get dat biatch we gonna spit on his grave!
So what substantial change in policy occurred after the January 10, 2010 survey and now. Consider back in 2010 "voters said 63 - 25 percent that such activities didn't go far enough to adequately protect the country." and now ..... "Some of the largest growth in those concerned about the threat to civil liberties is among men and Republicans..."
Why is that? Is it because Republican men have become big wet pussies since 2010? Or, are they just picking up on the Truthiness of Fauxrageous news.
IMO it's all political hatred of President Obama.
2006:
MEDIA: The President has been waterboarding detainees, arresting US citizens and holding them without a writ of habaeus corpus, started two wars, is spying on tens of millions of US citizens phone records without a warrant, violated the law with thousands of NDLs, created a massive new entitlement program without paying for it, created a massive new cabinet department for spying on Americans and everyone on the face of the planet, has had several US overseas missions attacked and people killed on his watch, sent illegal guns to Mexico and lost them, increased the size and scope of government dramatically, steamrolled over states rights, and has increased federal regulations and all federal departments except two, and is doubling the size of the national debt.
FAUX RIGHT: Fuck you, libtards!!!! WE LOVE THIS GUY!!!
2013:
MEDIA: The President has been spying on tens of millions of US citizens phone records without a warrant, created an expensive massive new entitlement program, has had one US overseas mission attacked and people killed on his watch, sent illegal guns to Mexico and lost them, increased the size and scope of government dramatically, steamrolled over states rights, and has increased federal regulations.
FAUX RIGHT: Welcome to the police state! WAKE UP!!!
2006:
MEDIA: The President has been waterboarding detainees, arresting US citizens and holding them without a writ of habaeus corpus, started two wars, is spying on tens of millions of US citizens phone records without a warrant, violated the law with thousands of NDLs, created a massive new entitlement program without paying for it, created a massive new cabinet department for spying on Americans and everyone on the face of the planet, has had several US overseas missions attacked and people killed on his watch, sent illegal guns to Mexico and lost them, increased the size and scope of government dramatically, steamrolled over states rights, and has increased federal regulations and all federal departments except two, and is doubling the size of the national debt.
FAUX RIGHT: Fuck you, libtards!!!! WE LOVE THIS GUY!!!
2013:
MEDIA: The President has been spying on tens of millions of US citizens phone records without a warrant, created an expensive massive new entitlement program, has had one US overseas mission attacked and people killed on his watch, sent illegal guns to Mexico and lost them, increased the size and scope of government dramatically, steamrolled over states rights, and has increased federal regulations.
FAUX RIGHT: Welcome to the police state! WAKE UP!!!
And just the opposite for the left.
So what substantial change in policy occurred after the January 10, 2010 survey and now. Consider back in 2010 "voters said 63 - 25 percent that such activities didn't go far enough to adequately protect the country." and now ..... "Some of the largest growth in those concerned about the threat to civil liberties is among men and Republicans..."
Why is that? Is it because Republican men have become big wet pussies since 2010? Or, are they just picking up on the Truthiness of Fauxrageous news.
IMO it's all political hatred of President Obama.
And what about the opposite numbers that show that Democrats are now increasingly less worried about civil liberties and privacy now than they were under Bush?
So what substantial change in policy occurred after the January 10, 2010 survey and now. Consider back in 2010 "voters said 63 - 25 percent that such activities didn't go far enough to adequately protect the country." and now ..... "Some of the largest growth in those concerned about the threat to civil liberties is among men and Republicans..."
Why is that? Is it because Republican men have become big wet pussies since 2010? Or, are they just picking up on the Truthiness of Fauxrageous news.
IMO it's all political hatred of President Obama.
And what about the opposite numbers that show that Democrats are now increasingly less worried about civil liberties and privacy now than they were under Bush?
The OP's poll showed otherwise. For Example: "Democrats went from not far enough 57 - 29 percent to too far 43 - 42 percent"
(1) Much of US politics, and most of the pundit reaction to the NSA stories, are summarized by this one single visual from Pew:
The most vocal media critics of our NSA reporting, and the most vehement defenders of NSA surveillance, have been, by far, Democratic (especially Obama-loyal) pundits. As I've written many times, one of the most significant aspects of the Obama legacy has been the transformation of Democrats from pretend-opponents of the Bush War on Terror and National Security State into their biggest proponents: exactly what the CIA presciently and excitedly predicted in 2008 would happen with Obama's election.
Some Democrats have tried to distinguish 2006 from 2013 by claiming that the former involved illegal spying while the latter does not. But the claim that current NSA spying is legal is dubious in the extreme: the Obama DOJ has repeatedly thwarted efforts by the ACLU, EFF and others to obtain judicial rulings on their legality and constitutionality by invoking procedural claims of secrecy, immunity and standing. If Democrats are so sure these spying programs are legal, why has the Obama DOJ been so eager to block courts from adjudicating that question?
And what about the opposite numbers that show that Democrats are now increasingly less worried about civil liberties and privacy now than they were under Bush?
The OP's poll showed otherwise. For Example: "Democrats went from not far enough 57 - 29 percent to too far 43 - 42 percent"
(1) Much of US politics, and most of the pundit reaction to the NSA stories, are summarized by this one single visual from Pew:
The most vocal media critics of our NSA reporting, and the most vehement defenders of NSA surveillance, have been, by far, Democratic (especially Obama-loyal) pundits. As I've written many times, one of the most significant aspects of the Obama legacy has been the transformation of Democrats from pretend-opponents of the Bush War on Terror and National Security State into their biggest proponents: exactly what the CIA presciently and excitedly predicted in 2008 would happen with Obama's election.
Some Democrats have tried to distinguish 2006 from 2013 by claiming that the former involved illegal spying while the latter does not. But the claim that current NSA spying is legal is dubious in the extreme: the Obama DOJ has repeatedly thwarted efforts by the ACLU, EFF and others to obtain judicial rulings on their legality and constitutionality by invoking procedural claims of secrecy, immunity and standing. If Democrats are so sure these spying programs are legal, why has the Obama DOJ been so eager to block courts from adjudicating that question?
On Prism, partisanship and propaganda | Glenn Greenwald | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
I think that just about sums it up.
Dems are right- Dems and Obama have added congressional and judicial oversight. The whole thing is an illustration of media loving controversy more than facts.
Guilty- Five years! The kid is naive but still broke his oath. Same for Manning.
A hero DOES NOT run from his problems. That is the tactic of a total chickenshit.
Excerpt:
National (US) Poll - July 10, 2013 - U.S. Voters Say Snowden Is Whi | Quinnipiac University Connecticut
merican voters say 55 - 34 percent that Edward Snowden is a whistle-blower, rather than a traitor, according to a Quinnipiac University national poll released today.
In a massive shift in attitudes, voters say 45 - 40 percent the government's anti-terrorism efforts go too far restricting civil liberties, a reversal from a January 10, 2010, survey by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University when voters said 63 - 25 percent that such activities didn't go far enough to adequately protect the country.
Almost every party, gender, income, education, age and income group regards Snowden as a whistle-blower rather than a traitor. The lone exception is black voters, with 43 percent calling him a traitor and 42 percent calling him a whistle-blower.
There is a gender gap on counter-terrorism efforts as men say 54 - 34 percent they have gone too far and women say 47 - 36 percent they have not gone far enough. There is little difference among Democrats and Republicans who are about evenly divided. Independent voters say 49 - 36 percent that counter-terrorism measures have gone too far.
Some of the largest growth in those concerned about the threat to civil liberties is among men and Republicans, groups historically more likely to be supportive of governmental anti- terrorism efforts.
"The massive swing in public opinion about civil liberties and governmental anti- terrorism efforts, and the public view that Edward Snowden is more whistle-blower than traitor are the public reaction and apparent shock at the extent to which the government has gone in trying to prevent future terrorist incidents," said Peter Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.
"The fact that there is little difference now along party lines about the overall anti- terrorism effort and civil liberties and about Snowden is in itself unusual in a country sharply divided along political lines about almost everything. Moreover, the verdict that Snowden is not a traitor goes against almost the unified view of the nation's political establishment."
