Reason 101 Why There Will Never Be A " Palestinian State"

[Phoenall]

Then they should kick out hamas and fatah and talk peace and mutual borders with all their neighbours. After all both Egypt and Jordan border Palestine and they are just as hard on them as Israel is.

Palestine already has undisputed borders with its neighbors. Why do they need negotiations?

Don't forget the couple of billion dollars the US gives to Egypt and Jordan every year to side with Israel.

Didn't work a few years back did it when the ruling faction decided to ignore the US and open the borders between gaza and Egypt. Once again proving you wrong

Elaborate.

As stated what is there to elaborate, the M.B. (hamas) ignored US treaties and found them selves is deep doo doo

What US treaties?

Regarding aid to Egypt

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestine already has undisputed borders with its neighbors. Why do they need negotiations?

Don't forget the couple of billion dollars the US gives to Egypt and Jordan every year to side with Israel.

Didn't work a few years back did it when the ruling faction decided to ignore the US and open the borders between gaza and Egypt. Once again proving you wrong

Elaborate.

As stated what is there to elaborate, the M.B. (hamas) ignored US treaties and found them selves is deep doo doo

What US treaties?

Regarding aid to Egypt

What does that have to do with Hamas.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who was Israel's boogyman before Hamas?

Always been the same one arab muslims

Oh, do you mean the people Israel kicked out of their homes in 1948?

No I mean the ones that tried to wipe out the Jews and take their land, starting in 1917 when the Ottomans lost their Empire

The Jews only owned a couple percent of Palestine in 1917.

And by 1923 had been granted sovereignty over all of Jewish Palestine under International law. The arab muslims were granted a dictatorship on arab muslim Palestine at the same time

So then, why did the Jews accept a part of Palestine in 1947 when they received the whole pie in 1923?

Why are Gaza and the West Bank occupied Palestinian territories if they belong to the Jews?

You need to prove your point.

 

[Phoenall]

Didn't work a few years back did it when the ruling faction decided to ignore the US and open the borders between gaza and Egypt. Once again proving you wrong

Elaborate.

As stated what is there to elaborate, the M.B. (hamas) ignored US treaties and found them selves is deep doo doo

What US treaties?

Regarding aid to Egypt

What does that have to do with Hamas.

Same people as the M.B. as that is where they started

 

[Phoenall]

Always been the same one arab muslims

Oh, do you mean the people Israel kicked out of their homes in 1948?

No I mean the ones that tried to wipe out the Jews and take their land, starting in 1917 when the Ottomans lost their Empire

The Jews only owned a couple percent of Palestine in 1917.

And by 1923 had been granted sovereignty over all of Jewish Palestine under International law. The arab muslims were granted a dictatorship on arab muslim Palestine at the same time

So then, why did the Jews accept a part of Palestine in 1947 when they received the whole pie in 1923?

Why are Gaza and the West Bank occupied Palestinian territories if they belong to the Jews?

You need to prove your point.

To keep the peace of course as the original plan was for the Jews to get all of Palestine, then reduced to just 22%. This was still too much for the arab muslims who threatened to resort to violence if the whole of Palestine was not given to them. The UN decided to partition the 22% of palestine into even further smaller parts to appease the muslims, and again the Jews agreed to keep the peace. Once they realised that it was futile they decided that they would not allow the arab muslims any more free rides and that is why gaza is under blockade and the west bank is occupied. They are both under arab muslim illegal occupation according to International law and Israel needs to go to law to have them given back

 

[P F Tinmore]

Oh, do you mean the people Israel kicked out of their homes in 1948?

No I mean the ones that tried to wipe out the Jews and take their land, starting in 1917 when the Ottomans lost their Empire

The Jews only owned a couple percent of Palestine in 1917.

And by 1923 had been granted sovereignty over all of Jewish Palestine under International law. The arab muslims were granted a dictatorship on arab muslim Palestine at the same time

So then, why did the Jews accept a part of Palestine in 1947 when they received the whole pie in 1923?

Why are Gaza and the West Bank occupied Palestinian territories if they belong to the Jews?

You need to prove your point.

To keep the peace of course as the original plan was for the Jews to get all of Palestine, then reduced to just 22%. This was still too much for the arab muslims who threatened to resort to violence if the whole of Palestine was not given to them. The UN decided to partition the 22% of palestine into even further smaller parts to appease the muslims, and again the Jews agreed to keep the peace. Once they realised that it was futile they decided that they would not allow the arab muslims any more free rides and that is why gaza is under blockade and the west bank is occupied. They are both under arab muslim illegal occupation according to International law and Israel needs to go to law to have them given back

This was still too much for the arab muslims who threatened to resort to violence if the whole of Palestine was not given to them.​

Given to them by whom?

 

[Phoenall]

No I mean the ones that tried to wipe out the Jews and take their land, starting in 1917 when the Ottomans lost their Empire

The Jews only owned a couple percent of Palestine in 1917.

And by 1923 had been granted sovereignty over all of Jewish Palestine under International law. The arab muslims were granted a dictatorship on arab muslim Palestine at the same time

So then, why did the Jews accept a part of Palestine in 1947 when they received the whole pie in 1923?

Why are Gaza and the West Bank occupied Palestinian territories if they belong to the Jews?

You need to prove your point.

To keep the peace of course as the original plan was for the Jews to get all of Palestine, then reduced to just 22%. This was still too much for the arab muslims who threatened to resort to violence if the whole of Palestine was not given to them. The UN decided to partition the 22% of palestine into even further smaller parts to appease the muslims, and again the Jews agreed to keep the peace. Once they realised that it was futile they decided that they would not allow the arab muslims any more free rides and that is why gaza is under blockade and the west bank is occupied. They are both under arab muslim illegal occupation according to International law and Israel needs to go to law to have them given back

This was still too much for the arab muslims who threatened to resort to violence if the whole of Palestine was not given to them.​

Given to them by whom?

The LoN who where the sovereign land owners after the surrender by the Ottomans and the treaty with the Turks.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Jews only owned a couple percent of Palestine in 1917.

And by 1923 had been granted sovereignty over all of Jewish Palestine under International law. The arab muslims were granted a dictatorship on arab muslim Palestine at the same time

So then, why did the Jews accept a part of Palestine in 1947 when they received the whole pie in 1923?

Why are Gaza and the West Bank occupied Palestinian territories if they belong to the Jews?

You need to prove your point.

To keep the peace of course as the original plan was for the Jews to get all of Palestine, then reduced to just 22%. This was still too much for the arab muslims who threatened to resort to violence if the whole of Palestine was not given to them. The UN decided to partition the 22% of palestine into even further smaller parts to appease the muslims, and again the Jews agreed to keep the peace. Once they realised that it was futile they decided that they would not allow the arab muslims any more free rides and that is why gaza is under blockade and the west bank is occupied. They are both under arab muslim illegal occupation according to International law and Israel needs to go to law to have them given back

This was still too much for the arab muslims who threatened to resort to violence if the whole of Palestine was not given to them.​

Given to them by whom?

The LoN who where the sovereign land owners after the surrender by the Ottomans and the treaty with the Turks.

I hear that a lot but I have never seen any proof.

 

[montelatici]

Oh, do you mean the people Israel kicked out of their homes in 1948?

No I mean the ones that tried to wipe out the Jews and take their land, starting in 1917 when the Ottomans lost their Empire

The Jews only owned a couple percent of Palestine in 1917.

And by 1923 had been granted sovereignty over all of Jewish Palestine under International law. The arab muslims were granted a dictatorship on arab muslim Palestine at the same time

So then, why did the Jews accept a part of Palestine in 1947 when they received the whole pie in 1923?

Why are Gaza and the West Bank occupied Palestinian territories if they belong to the Jews?

You need to prove your point.

To keep the peace of course as the original plan was for the Jews to get all of Palestine, then reduced to just 22%. This was still too much for the arab muslims who threatened to resort to violence if the whole of Palestine was not given to them. The UN decided to partition the 22% of palestine into even further smaller parts to appease the muslims, and again the Jews agreed to keep the peace. Once they realised that it was futile they decided that they would not allow the arab muslims any more free rides and that is why gaza is under blockade and the west bank is occupied. They are both under arab muslim illegal occupation according to International law and Israel needs to go to law to have them given back

What justification was there to ethnically cleanse (or otherwise remove) the over 600 thousand Christians and Muslims living in Palestine to make room for Europeans. It was an absurd decision.

 

[Phoenall]

And by 1923 had been granted sovereignty over all of Jewish Palestine under International law. The arab muslims were granted a dictatorship on arab muslim Palestine at the same time

So then, why did the Jews accept a part of Palestine in 1947 when they received the whole pie in 1923?

Why are Gaza and the West Bank occupied Palestinian territories if they belong to the Jews?

You need to prove your point.

To keep the peace of course as the original plan was for the Jews to get all of Palestine, then reduced to just 22%. This was still too much for the arab muslims who threatened to resort to violence if the whole of Palestine was not given to them. The UN decided to partition the 22% of palestine into even further smaller parts to appease the muslims, and again the Jews agreed to keep the peace. Once they realised that it was futile they decided that they would not allow the arab muslims any more free rides and that is why gaza is under blockade and the west bank is occupied. They are both under arab muslim illegal occupation according to International law and Israel needs to go to law to have them given back

This was still too much for the arab muslims who threatened to resort to violence if the whole of Palestine was not given to them.​

Given to them by whom?

The LoN who where the sovereign land owners after the surrender by the Ottomans and the treaty with the Turks.

I hear that a lot but I have never seen any proof.

You have seen plenty of proof just that you don't want to admit it. In 1917 the Ottomans were destroyed and the LoN negotiated surrender terms that included land. The land was handed over and the LoN became the sovereign owners to dispose of as they saw fit. Otherwise the Mandates would not have been formed

 

[Phoenall]

No I mean the ones that tried to wipe out the Jews and take their land, starting in 1917 when the Ottomans lost their Empire

The Jews only owned a couple percent of Palestine in 1917.

And by 1923 had been granted sovereignty over all of Jewish Palestine under International law. The arab muslims were granted a dictatorship on arab muslim Palestine at the same time

So then, why did the Jews accept a part of Palestine in 1947 when they received the whole pie in 1923?

Why are Gaza and the West Bank occupied Palestinian territories if they belong to the Jews?

You need to prove your point.

To keep the peace of course as the original plan was for the Jews to get all of Palestine, then reduced to just 22%. This was still too much for the arab muslims who threatened to resort to violence if the whole of Palestine was not given to them. The UN decided to partition the 22% of palestine into even further smaller parts to appease the muslims, and again the Jews agreed to keep the peace. Once they realised that it was futile they decided that they would not allow the arab muslims any more free rides and that is why gaza is under blockade and the west bank is occupied. They are both under arab muslim illegal occupation according to International law and Israel needs to go to law to have them given back

What justification was there to ethnically cleanse (or otherwise remove) the over 600 thousand Christians and Muslims living in Palestine to make room for Europeans. It was an absurd decision.

And your evidence of these 600,000 ethnically cleansed people is what exactly, islamonazi propaganda based of LIES and BLOOD LIBELS. The demographics that you are so love show that there was never 600,000 in Israel in 1948, in fact you would be lucky to find 50,000

 

[P F Tinmore]

Elaborate.

As stated what is there to elaborate, the M.B. (hamas) ignored US treaties and found them selves is deep doo doo

What US treaties?

Regarding aid to Egypt

What does that have to do with Hamas.

Same people as the M.B. as that is where they started

So?

 

[montelatici]

Bennie Morris the Israeli historian calculates 450,000-550,000. You really got me. Neutral and Arab historians have higher numbers, but let's use an Israeli source so you won't whine.

"Did most of the exodus take place before the British left? Before May 15?
That is difficult to pinpoint. I divided the exodus into four periods rough¬ly corresponding to the Jewish military advances and campaigns. The first was December 1947-March 1948. In the second stage, the mass continuous exodus occurred in April, May, June 1948, to the 11th of June and up to the first truce. Probably something like 250,000 left in this period. The third stage was during the ten days of fighting from the 8th to the 18th of July, when Israel conquered Lydda, RamIe, Nazareth: about 100,000 left the country. The fourth stage was during the fighting of October-November 1948 in which the IDF went over to the offensive, mostly in the south but also in Upper Galilee. And again we have another 100,000-200,000 leaving, most¬ly from the south. Finally, from November to July 1949 another few tens of thousands were expelled or pushed inland to other villages in Palestine."


Palestine-Israel Journal b The Palestinian Exodus 1948 b

 

[P F Tinmore]

So then, why did the Jews accept a part of Palestine in 1947 when they received the whole pie in 1923?

Why are Gaza and the West Bank occupied Palestinian territories if they belong to the Jews?

You need to prove your point.

To keep the peace of course as the original plan was for the Jews to get all of Palestine, then reduced to just 22%. This was still too much for the arab muslims who threatened to resort to violence if the whole of Palestine was not given to them. The UN decided to partition the 22% of palestine into even further smaller parts to appease the muslims, and again the Jews agreed to keep the peace. Once they realised that it was futile they decided that they would not allow the arab muslims any more free rides and that is why gaza is under blockade and the west bank is occupied. They are both under arab muslim illegal occupation according to International law and Israel needs to go to law to have them given back

This was still too much for the arab muslims who threatened to resort to violence if the whole of Palestine was not given to them.​

Given to them by whom?

The LoN who where the sovereign land owners after the surrender by the Ottomans and the treaty with the Turks.

I hear that a lot but I have never seen any proof.

You have seen plenty of proof just that you don't want to admit it. In 1917 the Ottomans were destroyed and the LoN negotiated surrender terms that included land. The land was handed over and the LoN became the sovereign owners to dispose of as they saw fit. Otherwise the Mandates would not have been formed

Everything I have seen shows that the LoN held that land in trust for the people. They never claimed ownership.

 

[montelatici]

The Jews only owned a couple percent of Palestine in 1917.

And by 1923 had been granted sovereignty over all of Jewish Palestine under International law. The arab muslims were granted a dictatorship on arab muslim Palestine at the same time

So then, why did the Jews accept a part of Palestine in 1947 when they received the whole pie in 1923?

Why are Gaza and the West Bank occupied Palestinian territories if they belong to the Jews?

You need to prove your point.

To keep the peace of course as the original plan was for the Jews to get all of Palestine, then reduced to just 22%. This was still too much for the arab muslims who threatened to resort to violence if the whole of Palestine was not given to them. The UN decided to partition the 22% of palestine into even further smaller parts to appease the muslims, and again the Jews agreed to keep the peace. Once they realised that it was futile they decided that they would not allow the arab muslims any more free rides and that is why gaza is under blockade and the west bank is occupied. They are both under arab muslim illegal occupation according to International law and Israel needs to go to law to have them given back

This was still too much for the arab muslims who threatened to resort to violence if the whole of Palestine was not given to them.​

Given to them by whom?

The LoN who where the sovereign land owners after the surrender by the Ottomans and the treaty with the Turks.

Per LoN Covenant, the inhabitants of the former Ottoman territories were the "owners" to be put under the tutelage of the Mandatory.

 

[Phoenall]

As stated what is there to elaborate, the M.B. (hamas) ignored US treaties and found them selves is deep doo doo

What US treaties?

Regarding aid to Egypt

What does that have to do with Hamas.

Same people as the M.B. as that is where they started

So?

Ahy don't you work it out.

 

[Phoenall]

Bennie Morris the Israeli historian calculates 450,000-550,000. You really got me. Neutral and Arab historians have higher numbers, but let's use an Israeli source so you won't whine.

"Did most of the exodus take place before the British left? Before May 15?
That is difficult to pinpoint. I divided the exodus into four periods rough¬ly corresponding to the Jewish military advances and campaigns. The first was December 1947-March 1948. In the second stage, the mass continuous exodus occurred in April, May, June 1948, to the 11th of June and up to the first truce. Probably something like 250,000 left in this period. The third stage was during the ten days of fighting from the 8th to the 18th of July, when Israel conquered Lydda, RamIe, Nazareth: about 100,000 left the country. The fourth stage was during the fighting of October-November 1948 in which the IDF went over to the offensive, mostly in the south but also in Upper Galilee. And again we have another 100,000-200,000 leaving, most¬ly from the south. Finally, from November to July 1949 another few tens of thousands were expelled or pushed inland to other villages in Palestine."


Palestine-Israel Journal b The Palestinian Exodus 1948 b

Not a valid link or a valid source, unless you want to accept walid Shoebat as a valid sourced and link or even MEMRI

 

[Phoenall]

To keep the peace of course as the original plan was for the Jews to get all of Palestine, then reduced to just 22%. This was still too much for the arab muslims who threatened to resort to violence if the whole of Palestine was not given to them. The UN decided to partition the 22% of palestine into even further smaller parts to appease the muslims, and again the Jews agreed to keep the peace. Once they realised that it was futile they decided that they would not allow the arab muslims any more free rides and that is why gaza is under blockade and the west bank is occupied. They are both under arab muslim illegal occupation according to International law and Israel needs to go to law to have them given back

This was still too much for the arab muslims who threatened to resort to violence if the whole of Palestine was not given to them.​

Given to them by whom?

The LoN who where the sovereign land owners after the surrender by the Ottomans and the treaty with the Turks.

I hear that a lot but I have never seen any proof.

You have seen plenty of proof just that you don't want to admit it. In 1917 the Ottomans were destroyed and the LoN negotiated surrender terms that included land. The land was handed over and the LoN became the sovereign owners to dispose of as they saw fit. Otherwise the Mandates would not have been formed

Everything I have seen shows that the LoN held that land in trust for the people. They never claimed ownership.

From biased sources, the treaties signed say they held sovereignty to the land and did not need to claim ownership as that was a given. How could they give Syria and Jordan to Saudi princelings if they did not own the land ?

 

[Phoenall]

And by 1923 had been granted sovereignty over all of Jewish Palestine under International law. The arab muslims were granted a dictatorship on arab muslim Palestine at the same time

So then, why did the Jews accept a part of Palestine in 1947 when they received the whole pie in 1923?

Why are Gaza and the West Bank occupied Palestinian territories if they belong to the Jews?

You need to prove your point.

To keep the peace of course as the original plan was for the Jews to get all of Palestine, then reduced to just 22%. This was still too much for the arab muslims who threatened to resort to violence if the whole of Palestine was not given to them. The UN decided to partition the 22% of palestine into even further smaller parts to appease the muslims, and again the Jews agreed to keep the peace. Once they realised that it was futile they decided that they would not allow the arab muslims any more free rides and that is why gaza is under blockade and the west bank is occupied. They are both under arab muslim illegal occupation according to International law and Israel needs to go to law to have them given back

This was still too much for the arab muslims who threatened to resort to violence if the whole of Palestine was not given to them.​

Given to them by whom?

The LoN who where the sovereign land owners after the surrender by the Ottomans and the treaty with the Turks.

Per LoN Covenant, the inhabitants of the former Ottoman territories were the "owners" to be put under the tutelage of the Mandatory.

not in the case of palestine as your own link shows. Will it now become hasbara propaganda ?

 

[montelatici]

Bennie Morris the Israeli historian calculates 450,000-550,000. You really got me. Neutral and Arab historians have higher numbers, but let's use an Israeli source so you won't whine.

"Did most of the exodus take place before the British left? Before May 15?
That is difficult to pinpoint. I divided the exodus into four periods rough¬ly corresponding to the Jewish military advances and campaigns. The first was December 1947-March 1948. In the second stage, the mass continuous exodus occurred in April, May, June 1948, to the 11th of June and up to the first truce. Probably something like 250,000 left in this period. The third stage was during the ten days of fighting from the 8th to the 18th of July, when Israel conquered Lydda, RamIe, Nazareth: about 100,000 left the country. The fourth stage was during the fighting of October-November 1948 in which the IDF went over to the offensive, mostly in the south but also in Upper Galilee. And again we have another 100,000-200,000 leaving, most¬ly from the south. Finally, from November to July 1949 another few tens of thousands were expelled or pushed inland to other villages in Palestine."


Palestine-Israel Journal b The Palestinian Exodus 1948 b

Not a valid link or a valid source, unless you want to accept walid Shoebat as a valid sourced and link or even MEMRI

You mean it is too neutral for you?

"The Palestine-Israel Journal is the only independent, joint publication to be produced locally, and in which the crucial issues at stake are presented from the perspective of both sides. As such, we are more convinced than ever that we have an important responsibility and role to play in maintaining open the channels for dialogue between the two peoples and providing a forum where the complex issues of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict can continue to be examined seriously, freely and critically."

Editorial Board: 13 Jews and 13 Arabs

Editorial Board

Hisham Awartani

Danny Rubinstein

Sam'an Khoury

Boaz Evron

Walid Salem

Ari Rath

Zahra Khalidi

Daniel Bar-Tal

Ammar AbuZayyad

Galit Hasan-Rokem

Khaled Abu Aker

Galia Golan

Nazmi Ju'beh

Gershon Baskin

Edy Kaufman

Ata Qaymari

Benjamin Pogrund

Nafez Nazzal

Simcha Bahiri

Nadia Naser-Najjab

Dan Jacobson

Jumana Jaouni

Dan Leon

Anat Cygielman

Khuloud Khayyat Dajani

Izhak Schnell

Palestine - Israel Journal of Politics Economics and Culture