Reasoned Discourse

In case anyone was wondering, I have far more, deeper, and more meaningful experience with immigration of all sorts than many who might have noise to make. I have lived and worked with, for, among and on behalf of immigrant communities for all of my adult life. I have been an immigrant, I have worked on behalf of refugees and asylum seekers, I have (and do) taught immigrants - of varying status - from elementary through graduate school and beyond. I work everyday in a (very) inner city public school district where I devote all my energies to helping immigrant high school students to learn and achieve. After that, I coach students - many immigrants or first generation - before then going to tutor a very different immigrant community or teaching at a college where my classes are adult immigrant learners. I then go home where very many of my friends and neighbors are immigrants of all sorts. I understand how and why illegal immigration is a problem for this country, and also how and why even illegal immigrants - without mitigating the legal part - are actual human beings and not just a vessel for the fears of the weak-minded, hysterical, and ignorant.

So, you've made a career of being a traitor—of promoting the interests of invading foreign criminals against that of your own country and your own countrymen. And the point of this thread was to defend this scumbaggery on your part.
 
.... Try living with illegal aliens for a couple of weeks, no, months, yea, YEARS and get back to us. Would you condescend to ACTUALLY dealing with issue BEFORE making judgement to those that have, perchance?


In case anyone was wondering, I have far more, deeper, and more meaningful experience with immigration of all sorts than many who might have noise to make. I have lived and worked with, for, among and on behalf of immigrant communities for all of my adult life. I have been an immigrant, I have worked on behalf of refugees and asylum seekers, I have (and do) taught immigrants - of varying status - from elementary through graduate school and beyond. I work everyday in a (very) inner city public school district where I devote all my energies to helping immigrant high school students to learn and achieve. After that, I coach students - many immigrants or first generation - before then going to tutor a very different immigrant community or teaching at a college where my classes are adult immigrant learners. I then go home where very many of my friends and neighbors are immigrants of all sorts. I understand how and why illegal immigration is a problem for this country, and also how and why even illegal immigrants - without mitigating the legal part - are actual human beings and not just a vessel for the fears of the weak-minded, hysterical, and ignorant.
I bet the property values suck in your neighborhood.

I personally don't see why we cannot start vigorously enforcing current immigration laws and grandfather in the existing illegals with the condition that they become documented and they attain citizenship if they are going to stay, except for the criminals. The criminals need to be deported.
------------------------------------------ deport them all or just cut them off imo . I am more concerned with existing Americans and their kids than I am concerned with third worlders and their kids and familes Rob .
 
OH, brother , I love this guy, defends illegal aliens but wants people to be moderate and not hateful. Are you kidding me, UNKO? As long as they say what YOU want, and prejudiced to what YOU believe, that's factual? Got news for you, kiddo, it dosen't work that way. Take off the blinkers and smell the friggin coffee.
 
Well, you had me right up until you defended the illegals. Do your job with legal immigrants all day, best of luck, hope they do well. Once you compare them to illegals then fuck off.They're illegal, therefore criminal and if you are getting a single dime for doing what you do from government it should be taken away the moment you give any illegal any help. You should actually be a person responsible for reporting these illegals if you're getting government funding. If you don't do that then maybe you're the one that needs to lose his job.

More than that, he needs to be prosecuted for treason. We used to deal with such traitorous filth as Unkotare by the use of a firing squad.

How messed up is it, that someone can openly confess to treason, in a public forum such as this, with no fear of legal consequences?
 
Liberals are the side that thinks that Bruce Jenner is a woman.

She is. Deal with it, bigot. Nobody cares about your sick perverted prejudices.

Liberals are the side that thinks that a sick homosexual mockery of a marriage is in any way comparable to a genuine marriage.

If love offends you, tough. Deal with it, bigot.

Liberals are the side that deny the humanity and the basic human rights of the youngest, most innocent, and most defenseless of all human beings.

You don't think abortion is murder. Nobody does. Only liars and lunatics say that they think that.

Liberals are the side that openly upholds madness over reason, perversion over decency, and evil over good.

And Liberals are the side that thinks that they can take these insane, delusional, evil positions, and at the same time, claim to be the side that is “attached to reality”.

Satan clearly has your soul snagged in his infernal vice-grip pliers.

Another reason why it's so good to be a liberal is that, unlike you, we won't be burning in hell for all of eternity. Repent of your evil ways, before it's too late.
 
There are some rainbow-colored, unicorn-riding air-heads who gas on about "no borders" nonsense, but they seem to be a distinct minority in the real world.
So how do you square this with your illegals are people too and need your help rant?
 
It's difficult to have reasoned conversation when one side, the right, has proudly rejected reason...

The liberals don't do that. The two sides are nothing alike. The liberal side is attached to reality, the conservative side isn't......


This kind of partisan nonsense is a big part of the problem.
I live in a state that would rank in the top 5 for illegals. What do you tell the LEGAL Mexican American when he loses his job to an illegal? Because that IS what happens.


I don't suppose you need to tell him anything. He probably understands better than you.
 
.... Try living with illegal aliens for a couple of weeks, no, months, yea, YEARS and get back to us. Would you condescend to ACTUALLY dealing with issue BEFORE making judgement to those that have, perchance?


In case anyone was wondering, I have far more, deeper, and more meaningful experience with immigration of all sorts than many who might have noise to make. I have lived and worked with, for, among and on behalf of immigrant communities for all of my adult life. I have been an immigrant, I have worked on behalf of refugees and asylum seekers, I have (and do) taught immigrants - of varying status - from elementary through graduate school and beyond. I work everyday in a (very) inner city public school district where I devote all my energies to helping immigrant high school students to learn and achieve. After that, I coach students - many immigrants or first generation - before then going to tutor a very different immigrant community or teaching at a college where my classes are adult immigrant learners. I then go home where very many of my friends and neighbors are immigrants of all sorts. I understand how and why illegal immigration is a problem for this country, and also how and why even illegal immigrants - without mitigating the legal part - are actual human beings and not just a vessel for the fears of the weak-minded, hysterical, and ignorant.
I bet the property values suck in your neighborhood.

I personally don't see why we cannot start vigorously enforcing current immigration laws and grandfather in the existing illegals with the condition that they become documented and they attain citizenship if they are going to stay, except for the criminals. The criminals need to be deported.
Bad move to grandfather them in. They need to go. America would be much better without them and our law abiding natural born Citizens would be safer.
While I agree with your sentiment, I fear that the media fueled backlash that will result if we start rounding them up in mass will undermine the entire operation. Thus, giving certain groups amnesty may get us closer to what we really seek.
How about we cut Negro unemployment rate by half and they deport the illegals? They after all ARE the second group harmed by illegals.
 
.... Try living with illegal aliens for a couple of weeks, no, months, yea, YEARS and get back to us. Would you condescend to ACTUALLY dealing with issue BEFORE making judgement to those that have, perchance?


In case anyone was wondering, I have far more, deeper, and more meaningful experience with immigration of all sorts than many who might have noise to make. I have lived and worked with, for, among and on behalf of immigrant communities for all of my adult life. I have been an immigrant, I have worked on behalf of refugees and asylum seekers, I have (and do) taught immigrants - of varying status - from elementary through graduate school and beyond. I work everyday in a (very) inner city public school district where I devote all my energies to helping immigrant high school students to learn and achieve. After that, I coach students - many immigrants or first generation - before then going to tutor a very different immigrant community or teaching at a college where my classes are adult immigrant learners. I then go home where very many of my friends and neighbors are immigrants of all sorts. I understand how and why illegal immigration is a problem for this country, and also how and why even illegal immigrants - without mitigating the legal part - are actual human beings and not just a vessel for the fears of the weak-minded, hysterical, and ignorant.
Well, you had me right up until you defended the illegals. Do your job with legal immigrants all day, best of luck, hope they do well. Once you compare them to illegals then fuck off.They're illegal, therefore criminal and if you are getting a single dime for doing what you do from government it should be taken away the moment you give any illegal any help. You should actually be a person responsible for reporting these illegals if you're getting government funding. If you don't do that then maybe you're the one that needs to lose his job.

More than that, he needs to be prosecuted for treason. We used to deal with such traitorous filth as Unkotare by the use of a firing squad.
I'm actually surprised with his stance. Never would have expected it.
 
Well, you had me right up until you defended the illegals. Do your job with legal immigrants all day, best of luck, hope they do well. Once you compare them to illegals then fuck off.They're illegal, therefore criminal and if you are getting a single dime for doing what you do from government it should be taken away the moment you give any illegal any help. You should actually be a person responsible for reporting these illegals if you're getting government funding. If you don't do that then maybe you're the one that needs to lose his job.

More than that, he needs to be prosecuted for treason. We used to deal with such traitorous filth as Unkotare by the use of a firing squad.

How messed up is it, that someone can openly confess to treason, in a public forum such as this, with no fear of legal consequences?


Not a lawyer, are you?
 
Liberals are the side that thinks that Bruce Jenner is a woman.

She is. Deal with it, bigot. Nobody cares about your sick perverted prejudices.

Liberals are the side that thinks that a sick homosexual mockery of a marriage is in any way comparable to a genuine marriage.

If love offends you, tough. Deal with it, bigot.

Liberals are the side that deny the humanity and the basic human rights of the youngest, most innocent, and most defenseless of all human beings.

You don't think abortion is murder. Nobody does. Only liars and lunatics say that they think that.

Liberals are the side that openly upholds madness over reason, perversion over decency, and evil over good.

And Liberals are the side that thinks that they can take these insane, delusional, evil positions, and at the same time, claim to be the side that is “attached to reality”.

Satan clearly has your soul snagged in his infernal vice-grip pliers.

Another reason why it's so good to be a liberal is that, unlike you, we won't be burning in hell for all of eternity. Repent of your evil ways, before it's too late.

I think you've rather solidly proven my point.
 
Well, you had me right up until you defended the illegals. Do your job with legal immigrants all day, best of luck, hope they do well. Once you compare them to illegals then fuck off.They're illegal, therefore criminal and if you are getting a single dime for doing what you do from government it should be taken away the moment you give any illegal any help. You should actually be a person responsible for reporting these illegals if you're getting government funding. If you don't do that then maybe you're the one that needs to lose his job.

More than that, he needs to be prosecuted for treason. We used to deal with such traitorous filth as Unkotare by the use of a firing squad.

How messed up is it, that someone can openly confess to treason, in a public forum such as this, with no fear of legal consequences?


Not a lawyer, are you?
You do not need to be a lawyer to belong to a firing squad, you only need a gun.
 
In case anyone was wondering, I have far more, deeper, and more meaningful experience with immigration of all sorts than many who might have noise to make. I have lived and worked with, for, among and on behalf of immigrant communities for all of my adult life. I have been an immigrant, I have worked on behalf of refugees and asylum seekers, I have (and do) taught immigrants - of varying status - from elementary through graduate school and beyond. I work everyday in a (very) inner city public school district where I devote all my energies to helping immigrant high school students to learn and achieve. After that, I coach students - many immigrants or first generation - before then going to tutor a very different immigrant community or teaching at a college where my classes are adult immigrant learners. I then go home where very many of my friends and neighbors are immigrants of all sorts. I understand how and why illegal immigration is a problem for this country, and also how and why even illegal immigrants - without mitigating the legal part - are actual human beings and not just a vessel for the fears of the weak-minded, hysterical, and ignorant.

So, you've made a career of being a traitor—of promoting the interests of invading foreign criminals against that of your own country and your own countrymen. And the point of this thread was to defend this scumbaggery on your part.


Misunderstanding of terms can lead to irrational conclusions.
 
Well, you had me right up until you defended the illegals. Do your job with legal immigrants all day, best of luck, hope they do well. Once you compare them to illegals then fuck off.They're illegal, therefore criminal and if you are getting a single dime for doing what you do from government it should be taken away the moment you give any illegal any help. You should actually be a person responsible for reporting these illegals if you're getting government funding. If you don't do that then maybe you're the one that needs to lose his job.

More than that, he needs to be prosecuted for treason. We used to deal with such traitorous filth as Unkotare by the use of a firing squad.

How messed up is it, that someone can openly confess to treason, in a public forum such as this, with no fear of legal consequences?


Not a lawyer, are you?
You do not need to be a lawyer to belong to a firing squad, you only need a gun.


Meaning what, exactly?
 
.... Try living with illegal aliens for a couple of weeks, no, months, yea, YEARS and get back to us. Would you condescend to ACTUALLY dealing with issue BEFORE making judgement to those that have, perchance?


In case anyone was wondering, I have far more, deeper, and more meaningful experience with immigration of all sorts than many who might have noise to make. I have lived and worked with, for, among and on behalf of immigrant communities for all of my adult life. I have been an immigrant, I have worked on behalf of refugees and asylum seekers, I have (and do) taught immigrants - of varying status - from elementary through graduate school and beyond. I work everyday in a (very) inner city public school district where I devote all my energies to helping immigrant high school students to learn and achieve. After that, I coach students - many immigrants or first generation - before then going to tutor a very different immigrant community or teaching at a college where my classes are adult immigrant learners. I then go home where very many of my friends and neighbors are immigrants of all sorts. I understand how and why illegal immigration is a problem for this country, and also how and why even illegal immigrants - without mitigating the legal part - are actual human beings and not just a vessel for the fears of the weak-minded, hysterical, and ignorant.
I bet the property values suck in your neighborhood.

I personally don't see why we cannot start vigorously enforcing current immigration laws and grandfather in the existing illegals with the condition that they become documented and they attain citizenship if they are going to stay, except for the criminals. The criminals need to be deported.
Bad move to grandfather them in. They need to go. America would be much better without them and our law abiding natural born Citizens would be safer.
While I agree with your sentiment, I fear that the media fueled backlash that will result if we start rounding them up in mass will undermine the entire operation. Thus, giving certain groups amnesty may get us closer to what we really seek.
Let their be backlash. It has to be done. These type people refuse to respect our borders, language, and culture. Trump already has the orders ready to implement. It's going to be like President Eisenhowers program, Operation Wetback, he enacted except this will be done on a larger scale. If Ike could round them up, Trump certainly can. Again, let the media fuel the backlash.
 
Well, you had me right up until you defended the illegals. Do your job with legal immigrants all day, best of luck, hope they do well. Once you compare them to illegals then fuck off.They're illegal, therefore criminal and if you are getting a single dime for doing what you do from government it should be taken away the moment you give any illegal any help. You should actually be a person responsible for reporting these illegals if you're getting government funding. If you don't do that then maybe you're the one that needs to lose his job.

More than that, he needs to be prosecuted for treason. We used to deal with such traitorous filth as Unkotare by the use of a firing squad.

How messed up is it, that someone can openly confess to treason, in a public forum such as this, with no fear of legal consequences?


Not a lawyer, are you?

I don't need to be. I can read Section III, Article 3 of the Constitution, and understand what treason is, as defined there. And I can see how the crimes which you openly admit to having committed meet that definition. I can also know of the history of how our nation has dealt in the past with filthy traitors such as yourself, and wish that it would do so now.
 
In case anyone was wondering, I have far more, deeper, and more meaningful experience with immigration of all sorts than many who might have noise to make. I have lived and worked with, for, among and on behalf of immigrant communities for all of my adult life. I have been an immigrant, I have worked on behalf of refugees and asylum seekers, I have (and do) taught immigrants - of varying status - from elementary through graduate school and beyond. I work everyday in a (very) inner city public school district where I devote all my energies to helping immigrant high school students to learn and achieve. After that, I coach students - many immigrants or first generation - before then going to tutor a very different immigrant community or teaching at a college where my classes are adult immigrant learners. I then go home where very many of my friends and neighbors are immigrants of all sorts. I understand how and why illegal immigration is a problem for this country, and also how and why even illegal immigrants - without mitigating the legal part - are actual human beings and not just a vessel for the fears of the weak-minded, hysterical, and ignorant.

So, you've made a career of being a traitor—of promoting the interests of invading foreign criminals against that of your own country and your own countrymen. And the point of this thread was to defend this scumbaggery on your part.


Misunderstanding of terms can lead to irrational conclusions.
But it is YOU who has REFUSED to define the terms OR reply to the question. Do YOU teach ILLEGALS for money?
 
.... Try living with illegal aliens for a couple of weeks, no, months, yea, YEARS and get back to us. Would you condescend to ACTUALLY dealing with issue BEFORE making judgement to those that have, perchance?


In case anyone was wondering, I have far more, deeper, and more meaningful experience with immigration of all sorts than many who might have noise to make. I have lived and worked with, for, among and on behalf of immigrant communities for all of my adult life. I have been an immigrant, I have worked on behalf of refugees and asylum seekers, I have (and do) taught immigrants - of varying status - from elementary through graduate school and beyond. I work everyday in a (very) inner city public school district where I devote all my energies to helping immigrant high school students to learn and achieve. After that, I coach students - many immigrants or first generation - before then going to tutor a very different immigrant community or teaching at a college where my classes are adult immigrant learners. I then go home where very many of my friends and neighbors are immigrants of all sorts. I understand how and why illegal immigration is a problem for this country, and also how and why even illegal immigrants - without mitigating the legal part - are actual human beings and not just a vessel for the fears of the weak-minded, hysterical, and ignorant.
How is that more far deeper and more meaningful?
We are polar opposites, kudos for you, we need to meet in the middle here. Because I live with Mexican illegals, and it's rare day something good comes from that, but it does sometimes. But what is wrong with wanting folks to immigrate legally? And expecting them to acclimate? What is so wrong with that? You make me sound like a total asshole. I have helped illegals, it's a human thing, but they can just as well TRY to immigrate legally, and don't play the race card here, it dosen't work anymore, it is so lame.
 

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