Reasons Why We Should Welcome Syrian Refugees

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

I realize that this issue has led to a morass of misinformation and fear mongering.....but I figure there may be a few people who would like to read something that is based on factual info and sound reasoning.

Here it is.

Six Reasons to Welcome Syrian Refugees After Paris | Niskanen Center

The enemy of our enemy is our friend?

There is precedent for America refusing to accept political refugees. Then, the fear was that NAZI's would sneak in with the fleeing Jews. Will we remember our history?

You do not have your Nazi history correct. The Jews aboard the St. Louis were not denied entry because of the fear Nazi's were among them. You merely made that up.

As such, everything else you posted is suspect....as usual.

Why post here when everyone knows you post nothing but partisan foolishness?

Teacher Resources


The United States Department of State

The Department of State was the U.S. government agency most directly responsible for dealing with the refugees seeking to escape Nazi persecution. It had the power to grant visas, formulate refugee policy, and deal with foreign governments and international agencies.

Between 1933 and 1941, as increasing numbers of Jews sought refuge outside of Nazi Germany, American consuls added severe restrictions to the already stringent U.S. visa regulations. With these restrictions, and in its opposition to increasing the number of refugees allowed into the United States under the quota system, the State Department reflected the prevalent public opinion on immigration restrictions.

Throughout the 1930s and 1940s, the U.S. State Department interpreted existing immigration regulations and visa requirements in a highly restrictive manner. Fearing an infiltration of spies and saboteurs among the refugees, and wishing to protect the United States from people they perceived as ethnically and politically undesirable, officials in the State Department raised the barrier to refugees from Europe at precisely the time that they were desperately seeking a safe haven. By the time the United States had entered World War II in December 1941, the State Department had implemented new procedures that identified refugees in German-occupied countries as "enemy aliens" and required them to undergo a new, more extreme examination before being granted a visa. Refugees with "close relatives" living in German-occupied territory were denied entry to the U.S., ostensibly out of fear that they could be blackmailed into working as agents for Germany. By 1941 these policies had effectively prevented most refugees from immigrating to the United States.

Wrong.

Voyage of the St. Louis

Public opinion in the United States, although ostensibly sympathetic to the plight of refugees and critical of Hitler's policies, continued to favor immigration restrictions. The Great Depression had left millions of people in the United States unemployed and fearful of competition for the scarce few jobs available. It also fueled antisemitism, xenophobia, nativism, and isolationism. A Fortune Magazine poll at the time indicated that 83 percent of Americans opposed relaxing restrictions on immigration. President Roosevelt could have issued an executive order to admit the St. Louis refugees, but this general hostility to immigrants, the gains of isolationist Republicans in the Congressional elections of 1938, and Roosevelt's consideration of running for an unprecedented third term as president were among the political considerations that militated against taking this extraordinary step in an unpopular cause.

Roosevelt was not alone in his reluctance to challenge the mood of the nation on the immigration issue. Three months before theSt. Louis sailed, Congressional leaders in both US houses allowed to die in committee a bill sponsored by Senator Robert Wagner (D-N.Y.) and Representative Edith Rogers (R-Mass.). This bill would have admitted 20,000 Jewish children from Germany above the existing quota.

No. Right. Many factors went into the determinations for immigrants and quotas including what I quoted.

The OP was not specifically about the St. Louis, though you seemed to jump right to that. Fears of Communist and Nazi inflitrators and the wide-spread opinion that East European Jews were "undesirables" led to the development of strict quotas that turned refused entry to many Jewish refugees.

How many refugees are you going to allow to live with you?

Well, since you're going to offer your home as a detention center for Trump's deportation plan of 12M I guess you'll be exempt.

 

[gipper]

I realize that this issue has led to a morass of misinformation and fear mongering.....but I figure there may be a few people who would like to read something that is based on factual info and sound reasoning.

Here it is.

Six Reasons to Welcome Syrian Refugees After Paris | Niskanen Center

The enemy of our enemy is our friend?

There is precedent for America refusing to accept political refugees. Then, the fear was that NAZI's would sneak in with the fleeing Jews. Will we remember our history?

You do not have your Nazi history correct. The Jews aboard the St. Louis were not denied entry because of the fear Nazi's were among them. You merely made that up.

As such, everything else you posted is suspect....as usual.

Why post here when everyone knows you post nothing but partisan foolishness?

Teacher Resources


The United States Department of State

The Department of State was the U.S. government agency most directly responsible for dealing with the refugees seeking to escape Nazi persecution. It had the power to grant visas, formulate refugee policy, and deal with foreign governments and international agencies.

Between 1933 and 1941, as increasing numbers of Jews sought refuge outside of Nazi Germany, American consuls added severe restrictions to the already stringent U.S. visa regulations. With these restrictions, and in its opposition to increasing the number of refugees allowed into the United States under the quota system, the State Department reflected the prevalent public opinion on immigration restrictions.

Throughout the 1930s and 1940s, the U.S. State Department interpreted existing immigration regulations and visa requirements in a highly restrictive manner. Fearing an infiltration of spies and saboteurs among the refugees, and wishing to protect the United States from people they perceived as ethnically and politically undesirable, officials in the State Department raised the barrier to refugees from Europe at precisely the time that they were desperately seeking a safe haven. By the time the United States had entered World War II in December 1941, the State Department had implemented new procedures that identified refugees in German-occupied countries as "enemy aliens" and required them to undergo a new, more extreme examination before being granted a visa. Refugees with "close relatives" living in German-occupied territory were denied entry to the U.S., ostensibly out of fear that they could be blackmailed into working as agents for Germany. By 1941 these policies had effectively prevented most refugees from immigrating to the United States.

Wrong.

Voyage of the St. Louis

Public opinion in the United States, although ostensibly sympathetic to the plight of refugees and critical of Hitler's policies, continued to favor immigration restrictions. The Great Depression had left millions of people in the United States unemployed and fearful of competition for the scarce few jobs available. It also fueled antisemitism, xenophobia, nativism, and isolationism. A Fortune Magazine poll at the time indicated that 83 percent of Americans opposed relaxing restrictions on immigration. President Roosevelt could have issued an executive order to admit the St. Louis refugees, but this general hostility to immigrants, the gains of isolationist Republicans in the Congressional elections of 1938, and Roosevelt's consideration of running for an unprecedented third term as president were among the political considerations that militated against taking this extraordinary step in an unpopular cause.

Roosevelt was not alone in his reluctance to challenge the mood of the nation on the immigration issue. Three months before theSt. Louis sailed, Congressional leaders in both US houses allowed to die in committee a bill sponsored by Senator Robert Wagner (D-N.Y.) and Representative Edith Rogers (R-Mass.). This bill would have admitted 20,000 Jewish children from Germany above the existing quota.

No. Right. Many factors went into the determinations for immigrants and quotas including what I quoted.

The OP was not specifically about the St. Louis, though you seemed to jump right to that. Fears of Communist and Nazi inflitrators and the wide-spread opinion that East European Jews were "undesirables" led to the development of strict quotas that turned refused entry to many Jewish refugees.

Please cite any other ships full of German Jews denied entry. Or maybe you think they were walking across the Mexican border or flying in on jets.

If the OP was not referring to the St. Louis, what other ships was the dipshit referring to?

 

[Kosh]

You do not have your Nazi history correct. The Jews aboard the St. Louis were not denied entry because of the fear Nazi's were among them. You merely made that up.

As such, everything else you posted is suspect....as usual.

Why post here when everyone knows you post nothing but partisan foolishness?

Teacher Resources


The United States Department of State

The Department of State was the U.S. government agency most directly responsible for dealing with the refugees seeking to escape Nazi persecution. It had the power to grant visas, formulate refugee policy, and deal with foreign governments and international agencies.

Between 1933 and 1941, as increasing numbers of Jews sought refuge outside of Nazi Germany, American consuls added severe restrictions to the already stringent U.S. visa regulations. With these restrictions, and in its opposition to increasing the number of refugees allowed into the United States under the quota system, the State Department reflected the prevalent public opinion on immigration restrictions.

Throughout the 1930s and 1940s, the U.S. State Department interpreted existing immigration regulations and visa requirements in a highly restrictive manner. Fearing an infiltration of spies and saboteurs among the refugees, and wishing to protect the United States from people they perceived as ethnically and politically undesirable, officials in the State Department raised the barrier to refugees from Europe at precisely the time that they were desperately seeking a safe haven. By the time the United States had entered World War II in December 1941, the State Department had implemented new procedures that identified refugees in German-occupied countries as "enemy aliens" and required them to undergo a new, more extreme examination before being granted a visa. Refugees with "close relatives" living in German-occupied territory were denied entry to the U.S., ostensibly out of fear that they could be blackmailed into working as agents for Germany. By 1941 these policies had effectively prevented most refugees from immigrating to the United States.

Wrong.

Voyage of the St. Louis

Public opinion in the United States, although ostensibly sympathetic to the plight of refugees and critical of Hitler's policies, continued to favor immigration restrictions. The Great Depression had left millions of people in the United States unemployed and fearful of competition for the scarce few jobs available. It also fueled antisemitism, xenophobia, nativism, and isolationism. A Fortune Magazine poll at the time indicated that 83 percent of Americans opposed relaxing restrictions on immigration. President Roosevelt could have issued an executive order to admit the St. Louis refugees, but this general hostility to immigrants, the gains of isolationist Republicans in the Congressional elections of 1938, and Roosevelt's consideration of running for an unprecedented third term as president were among the political considerations that militated against taking this extraordinary step in an unpopular cause.

Roosevelt was not alone in his reluctance to challenge the mood of the nation on the immigration issue. Three months before theSt. Louis sailed, Congressional leaders in both US houses allowed to die in committee a bill sponsored by Senator Robert Wagner (D-N.Y.) and Representative Edith Rogers (R-Mass.). This bill would have admitted 20,000 Jewish children from Germany above the existing quota.

No. Right. Many factors went into the determinations for immigrants and quotas including what I quoted.

The OP was not specifically about the St. Louis, though you seemed to jump right to that. Fears of Communist and Nazi inflitrators and the wide-spread opinion that East European Jews were "undesirables" led to the development of strict quotas that turned refused entry to many Jewish refugees.

How many refugees are you going to allow to live with you?

Well, since you're going to offer your home as a detention center for Trump's deportation plan of 12M I guess you'll be exempt.

So that means you are not willing to take these refuges into your home..

Go figure that! The far left drones will not lead the way..

 

[gipper]

I realize that this issue has led to a morass of misinformation and fear mongering.....but I figure there may be a few people who would like to read something that is based on factual info and sound reasoning.

Here it is.

Six Reasons to Welcome Syrian Refugees After Paris | Niskanen Center

The enemy of our enemy is our friend?

There is precedent for America refusing to accept political refugees. Then, the fear was that NAZI's would sneak in with the fleeing Jews. Will we remember our history?

You do not have your Nazi history correct. The Jews aboard the St. Louis were not denied entry because of the fear Nazi's were among them. You merely made that up.

As such, everything else you posted is suspect....as usual.

Why post here when everyone knows you post nothing but partisan foolishness?

Another awesome contribution. Kudos!

Oh please stop with your foolishness. Partisan fools like you are responsible for much of the problems in our nation.

The St. Louis was denied entry not because Nazi's were among them dummy, but due to concerns about immigration during the Great Depression and the people wanted immigration halted for a time. Unlike today, politicians then did consider the will of the American people when making decisions.

Of course. You must have written the book on the matter. Well done. Everyone believes you. I especially enjoy your measured tone. You must be pleasant at family dinners.

You behave like a complete ass and then ridicule people for being upset at your troll behavior.

Have you been checked for clinical sociopathy?

Because you complete lack of concern for the way you treat people really seems to indicate the possibility.

He is just a DNC hack.

 

[Correll]

You do not have your Nazi history correct. The Jews aboard the St. Louis were not denied entry because of the fear Nazi's were among them. You merely made that up.

As such, everything else you posted is suspect....as usual.

Why post here when everyone knows you post nothing but partisan foolishness?

Another awesome contribution. Kudos!

Oh please stop with your foolishness. Partisan fools like you are responsible for much of the problems in our nation.

The St. Louis was denied entry not because Nazi's were among them dummy, but due to concerns about immigration during the Great Depression and the people wanted immigration halted for a time. Unlike today, politicians then did consider the will of the American people when making decisions.

Of course. You must have written the book on the matter. Well done. Everyone believes you. I especially enjoy your measured tone. You must be pleasant at family dinners.

You behave like a complete ass and then ridicule people for being upset at your troll behavior.

Have you been checked for clinical sociopathy?

Because you complete lack of concern for the way you treat people really seems to indicate the possibility.

Like I said.....I strive to be more like you. Your ability to focus on the topic at hand is most admirable. You would never troll a thread. What a guy!

You are the one who refused to discuss the topic, and replied with nothing but sarcasm.

Indeed, you are treating everyone who disagrees with you on this thread the same way. Like they are not even people to you.

Have you been checked for clinical sociopathy?

 

[Correll]

You do not have your Nazi history correct. The Jews aboard the St. Louis were not denied entry because of the fear Nazi's were among them. You merely made that up.

As such, everything else you posted is suspect....as usual.

Why post here when everyone knows you post nothing but partisan foolishness?

Another awesome contribution. Kudos!

Oh please stop with your foolishness. Partisan fools like you are responsible for much of the problems in our nation.

The St. Louis was denied entry not because Nazi's were among them dummy, but due to concerns about immigration during the Great Depression and the people wanted immigration halted for a time. Unlike today, politicians then did consider the will of the American people when making decisions.

Of course. You must have written the book on the matter. Well done. Everyone believes you. I especially enjoy your measured tone. You must be pleasant at family dinners.

You behave like a complete ass and then ridicule people for being upset at your troll behavior.

Have you been checked for clinical sociopathy?

Because you complete lack of concern for the way you treat people really seems to indicate the possibility.

He is just a DNC hack.

He is certainly that. But the way his hackness presents could indicate a deeper problem with his brain/mind.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

This

6. America should demonstrate moral courage: During World War II, the U.S. turned away Jews due to security concerns. We sent shiploads back to the camps because we were scared that Nazi spies could hide in their midst (which was not an entirely unfounded concern). The lesson of the Holocaust, as I noted here, is that we must deal with threats without rejecting our ethical obligations. We must not send those fleeing persecution back to their persecutors. The definition of moral courage is to resist allowing fear to overwhelm our humanity.

I wouldn't support sending REAL refugees back to be slaughtered, but from a lot of the pictures I've seen there is an abundance of men that either should be resisting and fighting for their homeland or they're jihadists blending into the crowd.

Either way these people do not belong here, and even if just %0.1 are jihadists we are talking about hundreds of people seeking entry into the US.

Aren't you glad these people on the right didn't feel the same way you do? Just think. These assholes with guns showed up with no warning, no visas, no papers and the Samoset people decided to trust them first and ask questions later.

How did that work out for the Indians? Are you okay with a similar fate?

How did it work out for the Jews in Europe? Are you OK with a similar fate for the Syrians?
You're a tool for ISIS and their incredibly efficient media machine. They've got idiots like you peeing yourself in fear.

 

[Disir]

I realize that this issue has led to a morass of misinformation and fear mongering.....but I figure there may be a few people who would like to read something that is based on factual info and sound reasoning.

Here it is.

Six Reasons to Welcome Syrian Refugees After Paris | Niskanen Center

The enemy of our enemy is our friend?

There is precedent for America refusing to accept political refugees. Then, the fear was that NAZI's would sneak in with the fleeing Jews. Will we remember our history?

I didn't want them here before Paris.

Never let a tragedy go to waste, though. Right?

Was there some sort of miracle that occurred with our homeless population? Did we win some kind of boom for well paying jobs?

Ok, then.

There is only one reason for them to be here and that is because the US was directly involved in creating the situation to begin with.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Another awesome contribution. Kudos!

Oh please stop with your foolishness. Partisan fools like you are responsible for much of the problems in our nation.

The St. Louis was denied entry not because Nazi's were among them dummy, but due to concerns about immigration during the Great Depression and the people wanted immigration halted for a time. Unlike today, politicians then did consider the will of the American people when making decisions.

Of course. You must have written the book on the matter. Well done. Everyone believes you. I especially enjoy your measured tone. You must be pleasant at family dinners.

You behave like a complete ass and then ridicule people for being upset at your troll behavior.

Have you been checked for clinical sociopathy?

Because you complete lack of concern for the way you treat people really seems to indicate the possibility.

He is just a DNC hack.

He is certainly that. But the way his hackness presents could indicate a deeper problem with his brain/mind.

Yeah. I'd better get that checked out.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

I realize that this issue has led to a morass of misinformation and fear mongering.....but I figure there may be a few people who would like to read something that is based on factual info and sound reasoning.

Here it is.

Six Reasons to Welcome Syrian Refugees After Paris | Niskanen Center

The enemy of our enemy is our friend?

There is precedent for America refusing to accept political refugees. Then, the fear was that NAZI's would sneak in with the fleeing Jews. Will we remember our history?

You do not have your Nazi history correct. The Jews aboard the St. Louis were not denied entry because of the fear Nazi's were among them. You merely made that up.

As such, everything else you posted is suspect....as usual.

Why post here when everyone knows you post nothing but partisan foolishness?

Teacher Resources


The United States Department of State

The Department of State was the U.S. government agency most directly responsible for dealing with the refugees seeking to escape Nazi persecution. It had the power to grant visas, formulate refugee policy, and deal with foreign governments and international agencies.

Between 1933 and 1941, as increasing numbers of Jews sought refuge outside of Nazi Germany, American consuls added severe restrictions to the already stringent U.S. visa regulations. With these restrictions, and in its opposition to increasing the number of refugees allowed into the United States under the quota system, the State Department reflected the prevalent public opinion on immigration restrictions.

Throughout the 1930s and 1940s, the U.S. State Department interpreted existing immigration regulations and visa requirements in a highly restrictive manner. Fearing an infiltration of spies and saboteurs among the refugees, and wishing to protect the United States from people they perceived as ethnically and politically undesirable, officials in the State Department raised the barrier to refugees from Europe at precisely the time that they were desperately seeking a safe haven. By the time the United States had entered World War II in December 1941, the State Department had implemented new procedures that identified refugees in German-occupied countries as "enemy aliens" and required them to undergo a new, more extreme examination before being granted a visa. Refugees with "close relatives" living in German-occupied territory were denied entry to the U.S., ostensibly out of fear that they could be blackmailed into working as agents for Germany. By 1941 these policies had effectively prevented most refugees from immigrating to the United States.

Wrong.

Voyage of the St. Louis

Public opinion in the United States, although ostensibly sympathetic to the plight of refugees and critical of Hitler's policies, continued to favor immigration restrictions. The Great Depression had left millions of people in the United States unemployed and fearful of competition for the scarce few jobs available. It also fueled antisemitism, xenophobia, nativism, and isolationism. A Fortune Magazine poll at the time indicated that 83 percent of Americans opposed relaxing restrictions on immigration. President Roosevelt could have issued an executive order to admit the St. Louis refugees, but this general hostility to immigrants, the gains of isolationist Republicans in the Congressional elections of 1938, and Roosevelt's consideration of running for an unprecedented third term as president were among the political considerations that militated against taking this extraordinary step in an unpopular cause.

Roosevelt was not alone in his reluctance to challenge the mood of the nation on the immigration issue. Three months before theSt. Louis sailed, Congressional leaders in both US houses allowed to die in committee a bill sponsored by Senator Robert Wagner (D-N.Y.) and Representative Edith Rogers (R-Mass.). This bill would have admitted 20,000 Jewish children from Germany above the existing quota.

No. Right. Many factors went into the determinations for immigrants and quotas including what I quoted.

The OP was not specifically about the St. Louis, though you seemed to jump right to that. Fears of Communist and Nazi inflitrators and the wide-spread opinion that East European Jews were "undesirables" led to the development of strict quotas that turned refused entry to many Jewish refugees.

Please cite any other ships full of German Jews denied entry. Or maybe you think they were walking across the Mexican border or flying in on jets.

If the OP was not referring to the St. Louis, what other ships was the dipshit referring to?

You're the one who brought up the St. Louis. The article LL linked to made no mention.
Fox teaches you how to sit up, bark, flap for chum and jump to conclusions. Congratulations.

 

[gipper]

Another awesome contribution. Kudos!

Oh please stop with your foolishness. Partisan fools like you are responsible for much of the problems in our nation.

The St. Louis was denied entry not because Nazi's were among them dummy, but due to concerns about immigration during the Great Depression and the people wanted immigration halted for a time. Unlike today, politicians then did consider the will of the American people when making decisions.

Of course. You must have written the book on the matter. Well done. Everyone believes you. I especially enjoy your measured tone. You must be pleasant at family dinners.

You behave like a complete ass and then ridicule people for being upset at your troll behavior.

Have you been checked for clinical sociopathy?

Because you complete lack of concern for the way you treat people really seems to indicate the possibility.

He is just a DNC hack.

He is certainly that. But the way his hackness presents could indicate a deeper problem with his brain/mind.

Yes....there can be no doubt of a terrible mental illness.

 

[gipper]

You do not have your Nazi history correct. The Jews aboard the St. Louis were not denied entry because of the fear Nazi's were among them. You merely made that up.

As such, everything else you posted is suspect....as usual.

Why post here when everyone knows you post nothing but partisan foolishness?

Teacher Resources


The United States Department of State

The Department of State was the U.S. government agency most directly responsible for dealing with the refugees seeking to escape Nazi persecution. It had the power to grant visas, formulate refugee policy, and deal with foreign governments and international agencies.

Between 1933 and 1941, as increasing numbers of Jews sought refuge outside of Nazi Germany, American consuls added severe restrictions to the already stringent U.S. visa regulations. With these restrictions, and in its opposition to increasing the number of refugees allowed into the United States under the quota system, the State Department reflected the prevalent public opinion on immigration restrictions.

Throughout the 1930s and 1940s, the U.S. State Department interpreted existing immigration regulations and visa requirements in a highly restrictive manner. Fearing an infiltration of spies and saboteurs among the refugees, and wishing to protect the United States from people they perceived as ethnically and politically undesirable, officials in the State Department raised the barrier to refugees from Europe at precisely the time that they were desperately seeking a safe haven. By the time the United States had entered World War II in December 1941, the State Department had implemented new procedures that identified refugees in German-occupied countries as "enemy aliens" and required them to undergo a new, more extreme examination before being granted a visa. Refugees with "close relatives" living in German-occupied territory were denied entry to the U.S., ostensibly out of fear that they could be blackmailed into working as agents for Germany. By 1941 these policies had effectively prevented most refugees from immigrating to the United States.

Wrong.

Voyage of the St. Louis

Public opinion in the United States, although ostensibly sympathetic to the plight of refugees and critical of Hitler's policies, continued to favor immigration restrictions. The Great Depression had left millions of people in the United States unemployed and fearful of competition for the scarce few jobs available. It also fueled antisemitism, xenophobia, nativism, and isolationism. A Fortune Magazine poll at the time indicated that 83 percent of Americans opposed relaxing restrictions on immigration. President Roosevelt could have issued an executive order to admit the St. Louis refugees, but this general hostility to immigrants, the gains of isolationist Republicans in the Congressional elections of 1938, and Roosevelt's consideration of running for an unprecedented third term as president were among the political considerations that militated against taking this extraordinary step in an unpopular cause.

Roosevelt was not alone in his reluctance to challenge the mood of the nation on the immigration issue. Three months before theSt. Louis sailed, Congressional leaders in both US houses allowed to die in committee a bill sponsored by Senator Robert Wagner (D-N.Y.) and Representative Edith Rogers (R-Mass.). This bill would have admitted 20,000 Jewish children from Germany above the existing quota.

No. Right. Many factors went into the determinations for immigrants and quotas including what I quoted.

The OP was not specifically about the St. Louis, though you seemed to jump right to that. Fears of Communist and Nazi inflitrators and the wide-spread opinion that East European Jews were "undesirables" led to the development of strict quotas that turned refused entry to many Jewish refugees.

Please cite any other ships full of German Jews denied entry. Or maybe you think they were walking across the Mexican border or flying in on jets.

If the OP was not referring to the St. Louis, what other ships was the dipshit referring to?

You're the one who brought up the St. Louis. The article LL linked to made no mention.
Fox teaches you how to sit up, bark, flap for chum and jump to conclusions. Congratulations.

Another one...if dipshit was not referring to the St. Louis, then what ship or ships was he referring to?

Please name all these ships full of German Jews denied entry.

 

[saveliberty]

[QUOTE="NoTeaPartyPleez, post: 12835246, member: 41423]

How did it work out for the Jews in Europe? Are you OK with a similar fate for the Syrians?
You're a tool for ISIS and their incredibly efficient media machine. They've got idiots like you peeing yourself in fear. [/QUOTE]

Let's review the history of Jews blowing up American servicemen, attacking civilians in foreign countries or in general showing anti-American behavior idiot.

Other countries are willing to take in refugees, why do you think America has to participate at this moment in time? You guaranteeing US citizen protection?

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

The only ones here who can make a legitimate argument to deny refugees are those of the Native American persuasion. The rest of you are mere spawn of immigrants and refugees. And you can GFY. These are your great-grandparents. Aren't you glad they had bigger stones and more guts than YOU do?

A Portrait of Ellis Island

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Teacher Resources


The United States Department of State

The Department of State was the U.S. government agency most directly responsible for dealing with the refugees seeking to escape Nazi persecution. It had the power to grant visas, formulate refugee policy, and deal with foreign governments and international agencies.

Between 1933 and 1941, as increasing numbers of Jews sought refuge outside of Nazi Germany, American consuls added severe restrictions to the already stringent U.S. visa regulations. With these restrictions, and in its opposition to increasing the number of refugees allowed into the United States under the quota system, the State Department reflected the prevalent public opinion on immigration restrictions.

Throughout the 1930s and 1940s, the U.S. State Department interpreted existing immigration regulations and visa requirements in a highly restrictive manner. Fearing an infiltration of spies and saboteurs among the refugees, and wishing to protect the United States from people they perceived as ethnically and politically undesirable, officials in the State Department raised the barrier to refugees from Europe at precisely the time that they were desperately seeking a safe haven. By the time the United States had entered World War II in December 1941, the State Department had implemented new procedures that identified refugees in German-occupied countries as "enemy aliens" and required them to undergo a new, more extreme examination before being granted a visa. Refugees with "close relatives" living in German-occupied territory were denied entry to the U.S., ostensibly out of fear that they could be blackmailed into working as agents for Germany. By 1941 these policies had effectively prevented most refugees from immigrating to the United States.

Wrong.

Voyage of the St. Louis

Public opinion in the United States, although ostensibly sympathetic to the plight of refugees and critical of Hitler's policies, continued to favor immigration restrictions. The Great Depression had left millions of people in the United States unemployed and fearful of competition for the scarce few jobs available. It also fueled antisemitism, xenophobia, nativism, and isolationism. A Fortune Magazine poll at the time indicated that 83 percent of Americans opposed relaxing restrictions on immigration. President Roosevelt could have issued an executive order to admit the St. Louis refugees, but this general hostility to immigrants, the gains of isolationist Republicans in the Congressional elections of 1938, and Roosevelt's consideration of running for an unprecedented third term as president were among the political considerations that militated against taking this extraordinary step in an unpopular cause.

Roosevelt was not alone in his reluctance to challenge the mood of the nation on the immigration issue. Three months before theSt. Louis sailed, Congressional leaders in both US houses allowed to die in committee a bill sponsored by Senator Robert Wagner (D-N.Y.) and Representative Edith Rogers (R-Mass.). This bill would have admitted 20,000 Jewish children from Germany above the existing quota.

No. Right. Many factors went into the determinations for immigrants and quotas including what I quoted.

The OP was not specifically about the St. Louis, though you seemed to jump right to that. Fears of Communist and Nazi inflitrators and the wide-spread opinion that East European Jews were "undesirables" led to the development of strict quotas that turned refused entry to many Jewish refugees.

Please cite any other ships full of German Jews denied entry. Or maybe you think they were walking across the Mexican border or flying in on jets.

If the OP was not referring to the St. Louis, what other ships was the dipshit referring to?

You're the one who brought up the St. Louis. The article LL linked to made no mention.
Fox teaches you how to sit up, bark, flap for chum and jump to conclusions. Congratulations.

Another one...if dipshit was not referring to the St. Louis, then what ship or ships was he referring to?

Please name all these ships full of German Jews denied entry.

Oh why don't YOU prove your point instead of passing the buck, you idiot?
You stepped in it. Now get a scraper, go outside and make sure you run the hose over heels before you put your shoes back on.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

[QUOTE="NoTeaPartyPleez, post: 12835246, member: 41423]

How did it work out for the Jews in Europe? Are you OK with a similar fate for the Syrians?
You're a tool for ISIS and their incredibly efficient media machine. They've got idiots like you peeing yourself in fear.

Let's review the history of Jews blowing up American servicemen, attacking civilians in foreign countries or in general showing anti-American behavior idiot.

Other countries are willing to take in refugees, why do you think America has to participate at this moment in time? You guaranteeing US citizen protection?[/QUOTE]

Review it, then. What you have posted is just a lot of pixelated methane unless you care to post a verified link to hard data, (something I don't think you are very familiar with in the first place).

 

[Coyote]

I realize that this issue has led to a morass of misinformation and fear mongering.....but I figure there may be a few people who would like to read something that is based on factual info and sound reasoning.

Here it is.

Six Reasons to Welcome Syrian Refugees After Paris | Niskanen Center

The enemy of our enemy is our friend?

There is precedent for America refusing to accept political refugees. Then, the fear was that NAZI's would sneak in with the fleeing Jews. Will we remember our history?

You do not have your Nazi history correct. The Jews aboard the St. Louis were not denied entry because of the fear Nazi's were among them. You merely made that up.

As such, everything else you posted is suspect....as usual.

Why post here when everyone knows you post nothing but partisan foolishness?

Teacher Resources


The United States Department of State

The Department of State was the U.S. government agency most directly responsible for dealing with the refugees seeking to escape Nazi persecution. It had the power to grant visas, formulate refugee policy, and deal with foreign governments and international agencies.

Between 1933 and 1941, as increasing numbers of Jews sought refuge outside of Nazi Germany, American consuls added severe restrictions to the already stringent U.S. visa regulations. With these restrictions, and in its opposition to increasing the number of refugees allowed into the United States under the quota system, the State Department reflected the prevalent public opinion on immigration restrictions.

Throughout the 1930s and 1940s, the U.S. State Department interpreted existing immigration regulations and visa requirements in a highly restrictive manner. Fearing an infiltration of spies and saboteurs among the refugees, and wishing to protect the United States from people they perceived as ethnically and politically undesirable, officials in the State Department raised the barrier to refugees from Europe at precisely the time that they were desperately seeking a safe haven. By the time the United States had entered World War II in December 1941, the State Department had implemented new procedures that identified refugees in German-occupied countries as "enemy aliens" and required them to undergo a new, more extreme examination before being granted a visa. Refugees with "close relatives" living in German-occupied territory were denied entry to the U.S., ostensibly out of fear that they could be blackmailed into working as agents for Germany. By 1941 these policies had effectively prevented most refugees from immigrating to the United States.

Wrong.

Voyage of the St. Louis

Public opinion in the United States, although ostensibly sympathetic to the plight of refugees and critical of Hitler's policies, continued to favor immigration restrictions. The Great Depression had left millions of people in the United States unemployed and fearful of competition for the scarce few jobs available. It also fueled antisemitism, xenophobia, nativism, and isolationism. A Fortune Magazine poll at the time indicated that 83 percent of Americans opposed relaxing restrictions on immigration. President Roosevelt could have issued an executive order to admit the St. Louis refugees, but this general hostility to immigrants, the gains of isolationist Republicans in the Congressional elections of 1938, and Roosevelt's consideration of running for an unprecedented third term as president were among the political considerations that militated against taking this extraordinary step in an unpopular cause.

Roosevelt was not alone in his reluctance to challenge the mood of the nation on the immigration issue. Three months before theSt. Louis sailed, Congressional leaders in both US houses allowed to die in committee a bill sponsored by Senator Robert Wagner (D-N.Y.) and Representative Edith Rogers (R-Mass.). This bill would have admitted 20,000 Jewish children from Germany above the existing quota.

No. Right. Many factors went into the determinations for immigrants and quotas including what I quoted.

The OP was not specifically about the St. Louis, though you seemed to jump right to that. Fears of Communist and Nazi inflitrators and the wide-spread opinion that East European Jews were "undesirables" led to the development of strict quotas that turned refused entry to many Jewish refugees.

Please cite any other ships full of German Jews denied entry. Or maybe you think they were walking across the Mexican border or flying in on jets.

If the OP was not referring to the St. Louis, what other ships was the dipshit referring to?

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The United States Department of State

The Department of State was the U.S. government agency most directly responsible for dealing with the refugees seeking to escape Nazi persecution. It had the power to grant visas, formulate refugee policy, and deal with foreign governments and international agencies.

Between 1933 and 1941, as increasing numbers of Jews sought refuge outside of Nazi Germany, American consuls added severe restrictions to the already stringent U.S. visa regulations. With these restrictions, and in its opposition to increasing the number of refugees allowed into the United States under the quota system, the State Department reflected the prevalent public opinion on immigration restrictions.

Throughout the 1930s and 1940s, the U.S. State Department interpreted existing immigration regulations and visa requirements in a highly restrictive manner. Fearing an infiltration of spies and saboteurs among the refugees, and wishing to protect the United States from people they perceived as ethnically and politically undesirable, officials in the State Department raised the barrier to refugees from Europe at precisely the time that they were desperately seeking a safe haven. By the time the United States had entered World War II in December 1941, the State Department had implemented new procedures that identified refugees in German-occupied countries as "enemy aliens" and required them to undergo a new, more extreme examination before being granted a visa. Refugees with "close relatives" living in German-occupied territory were denied entry to the U.S., ostensibly out of fear that they could be blackmailed into working as agents for Germany. By 1941 these policies had effectively prevented most refugees from immigrating to the United States.

Wrong.

Voyage of the St. Louis

Public opinion in the United States, although ostensibly sympathetic to the plight of refugees and critical of Hitler's policies, continued to favor immigration restrictions. The Great Depression had left millions of people in the United States unemployed and fearful of competition for the scarce few jobs available. It also fueled antisemitism, xenophobia, nativism, and isolationism. A Fortune Magazine poll at the time indicated that 83 percent of Americans opposed relaxing restrictions on immigration. President Roosevelt could have issued an executive order to admit the St. Louis refugees, but this general hostility to immigrants, the gains of isolationist Republicans in the Congressional elections of 1938, and Roosevelt's consideration of running for an unprecedented third term as president were among the political considerations that militated against taking this extraordinary step in an unpopular cause.

Roosevelt was not alone in his reluctance to challenge the mood of the nation on the immigration issue. Three months before theSt. Louis sailed, Congressional leaders in both US houses allowed to die in committee a bill sponsored by Senator Robert Wagner (D-N.Y.) and Representative Edith Rogers (R-Mass.). This bill would have admitted 20,000 Jewish children from Germany above the existing quota.

No. Right. Many factors went into the determinations for immigrants and quotas including what I quoted.

The OP was not specifically about the St. Louis, though you seemed to jump right to that. Fears of Communist and Nazi inflitrators and the wide-spread opinion that East European Jews were "undesirables" led to the development of strict quotas that turned refused entry to many Jewish refugees.

Please cite any other ships full of German Jews denied entry. Or maybe you think they were walking across the Mexican border or flying in on jets.

If the OP was not referring to the St. Louis, what other ships was the dipshit referring to?

You're the one who brought up the St. Louis. The article LL linked to made no mention.
Fox teaches you how to sit up, bark, flap for chum and jump to conclusions. Congratulations.

Another one...if dipshit was not referring to the St. Louis, then what ship or ships was he referring to?

Please name all these ships full of German Jews denied entry.

He referred to "shiploads of jews" in a broad term - the US refused visas to thousands, did not even fill it's "quota" and threatened to reduce quotas of "undesirables" - this could be measured in "shiploads", the primary means of moving people then. And part of the reason was fear of Axis and Nazi spies or the potential for blackmail via German relatives..

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Good thread, LL. As usual you have them hoppin', jumpin', spinnin' and fussin' but no facts. They NEVER produce facts.

 

[saveliberty]

[QUOTE="NoTeaPartyPleez, post: 12835246, member: 41423]

How did it work out for the Jews in Europe? Are you OK with a similar fate for the Syrians?
You're a tool for ISIS and their incredibly efficient media machine. They've got idiots like you peeing yourself in fear.

Let's review the history of Jews blowing up American servicemen, attacking civilians in foreign countries or in general showing anti-American behavior idiot.

Other countries are willing to take in refugees, why do you think America has to participate at this moment in time? You guaranteeing US citizen protection?

Review it, then. What you have posted is just a lot of pixelated methane unless you care to post a verified link to hard data, (something I don't think you are very familiar with in the first place).[/QUOTE]

The burden is on you to show that Jews are similar to Muslims in the current issue. Since you are all about needing people to verify, your turn.

 

[saveliberty]

Good thread, LL. As usual you have them hoppin', jumpin', spinnin' and fussin' but no facts. They NEVER produce facts.

Interesting how the OP and minions have no facts.