Remember the H1N1 Pandemic? I Don’t Either

[EvilCat Breath]

How can you take this hysteria seriously. There are 327 million people in this country. 9000 have tested positive they won't tell us how few are sick. The news just said that hospitals across the country are overwhelmed.

Our local hospital is empty. Out of 75 people who came to the emergency room in the last two days because of coronavirus half weren't sick at all. Two likely did have mild symptoms were sent home to recover. The rest had colds or bronchitis. No one was admitted. How is it that hospitals are overwhelmed?

 

[james bond]

The quick and dirty answer is while both were/are pandemics, more people do not know they have coronavirus while the swine flu symptoms were more severe. This means people who have it do not know they have it and will pass it on. The coronavirus is much more easily spread. Thus, testing would've been the way to control it better, but it's too late now. The other reason is coronavirus is more deadly and will likely kill more people in the US and world. Moreover, we do not have a vaccine for it yet. One of the reasons the 1918 flu (Spanish flu misnomer) killed so many was because they didn't have antibiotics or vaccines back then.

Ofc, people did not have the same reaction to the swine flu as were are experiencing now, especially on the West coast. I now think the East coast should take similar measures, because of the above.

 

[WEATHER53]

How can you take this hysteria seriously. There are 327 million people in this country. 9000 have tested positive they won't tell us how few are sick. The news just said that hospitals across the country are overwhelmed.

Our local hospital is empty. Out of 75 people who came to the emergency room in the last two days because of coronavirus half weren't sick at all. Two likely did have mild symptoms were sent home to recover. The rest had colds or bronchitis. No one was admitted. How is it that hospitals are overwhelmed?

1/300th of one percent?

 

[my2¢]

How can you take this hysteria seriously. There are 327 million people in this country. 9000 have tested positive they won't tell us how few are sick. The news just said that hospitals across the country are overwhelmed.

Our local hospital is empty. Out of 75 people who came to the emergency room in the last two days because of coronavirus half weren't sick at all. Two likely did have mild symptoms were sent home to recover. The rest had colds or bronchitis. No one was admitted. How is it that hospitals are overwhelmed?

Why I take it seriously is by recalling history and the Spanish Flu outbreak of 1918. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

 

[CWayne]

Excellent points but most especially your last one. The economy is going to crash, and no one has weighed this out against the cost of whatever we're going to gain at the ERs.

I bring up, okay, over 100 people die every day on the the US roads in car accidents. And yet, we have not stopped all vehicle travel. No one has said, no car travel because people are dying. Why not? Why do we accept 100 traffic fatalities every single day but we must bring our economy to a screeching halt over this?

No answer to that. People just blubber and stammer. "Well it's not the same". Why not?

People are dumb and are sheep and it's so frustrating

It's not the same because of probability.

Covid 19 (Trump's Katrina) has a fatality rate of 2%. Or to put it in proper terms, we have 274 MILLION motor vehicles on the road. if traffic accidents happened at the same rate of Covid 19 deaths, we would have 5 million traffic deaths.

Yes, this would be an emergency.

Of course, it would be nice if Trump hadn't disbanded the Pandemic Response Team, slashed health spending for poor people, etc. That will probably make Covid 19 (Trump's Katrina) worse.

It isn't 2% for 274 million. At most, it is 2% for 70 million.

The elderly and those with health issues are at risk.

The rest of us can survive with little to very mild symptoms and survive.

This is the kind of fearmongering that is causing panic. You should be forced to pay a criminal price for this kind of disinformation.

 

[CWayne]

The quick and dirty answer is while both were/are pandemics, more people do not know they have coronavirus while the swine flu symptoms were more severe. This means people who have it do not know they have it and will pass it on. The coronavirus is much more easily spread. Thus, testing would've been the way to control it better, but it's too late now. The other reason is coronavirus is more deadly and will likely kill more people in the US and world. Moreover, we do not have a vaccine for it yet. One of the reasons the 1918 flu (Spanish flu misnomer) killed so many was because they didn't have antibiotics or vaccines back then.

Ofc, people did not have the same reaction to the swine flu as were are experiencing now, especially on the West coast. I now think the East coast should take similar measures, because of the above.

They have it, don't know they have it, and recover without ever knowing they had it.

Run! Panic! The world is ending!

Seems to me that a bug that doesn't make me any more sick than a Monday morning hangover is nothing to panic about.

 

[JoeB131]

"The fatality rate of Swine flu was about 100 times less than the likely real fatality rate of Covid-19"

And even with fatality rate "100 times less" there was still 12,400 dead Americans. Yet, lefties still praise that asshole and how he did great. Go figure.

That's actually below average for any flu season.

The thing is, we have TREATMENTS for the Flu. We have vaccines, we have anti-virals, we have medicines to alleviate the symptoms... And despite that, 12K still died despite all the efforts taken.

Trump got caught flat footed on this one, called it a Hoax, is still trying to blame China for it, and is now finding the apparatus Obama set up after H1N1 that he dismantled probably really would have helped.

 

[JoeB131]

People are dying and you're playing politics. What happened when Obumba was in office?

He took an appropriate action against H1N1, and you guys accused him of playing politics to get health care reform.

Today, you try to claim he didn't do enough because Trump has mismanaged the Covid-19 situation so badly.

 

[2aguy]

"The fatality rate of Swine flu was about 100 times less than the likely real fatality rate of Covid-19"

And even with fatality rate "100 times less" there was still 12,400 dead Americans. Yet, lefties still praise that asshole and how he did great. Go figure.

That's actually below average for any flu season.

The thing is, we have TREATMENTS for the Flu. We have vaccines, we have anti-virals, we have medicines to alleviate the symptoms... And despite that, 12K still died despite all the efforts taken.

Trump got caught flat footed on this one, called it a Hoax, is still trying to blame China for it, and is now finding the apparatus Obama set up after H1N1 that he dismantled probably really would have helped.

You lying piece of crap, Trump didn't call it a hoax....you moron.

And China did it........China created it....China let it out...........

But let's not call it the truth.......lets lie and attack those who tell the truth racists so that China can keep buying our politicians like joe biden and his family.

 

[JoeB131]

You lying piece of crap, Trump didn't call it a hoax....you moron.

What's True
During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax." During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu.

Did President Trump Refer to the Coronavirus as a 'Hoax'?

And China did it........China created it....China let it out...........

Sorry, buddy, it's a natural occuring virus.

The COVID-19 coronavirus epidemic has a natural origin, scientists say | Scripps Research

The novel SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus that emerged in the city of Wuhan, China, last year and has since caused a large scale COVID-19 epidemic and spread to more than 70 other countries is the product of natural evolution, according to findings published today in the journal Nature Medicine.

The analysis of public genome sequence data from SARS-CoV-2 and related viruses found no evidence that the virus was made in a laboratory or otherwise engineered.

“By comparing the available genome sequence data for known coronavirus strains, we can firmly determine that SARS-CoV-2 originated through natural processes,” said Kristian Andersen, PhD, an associate professor of immunology and microbiology at Scripps Research and corresponding author on the paper.

Calling it the "Chinese Virus", which has resulted in violence against Asian-Americans, is racist.

But let's not call it the truth.......lets lie and attack those who tell the truth racists so that China can keep buying our politicians like joe biden and his family.

Yes, you want our politicians to be bought by Russians like Trump was. They're white!!

 

[Olde Europe]

But here is the difference and what scares people, the rate formula, is the rate of people who catches this virus, vs. the number of people who die from the virus.... (yes our rate of 1.6% could be high because we are not testing everyone, tests are still very limited and restricted but the CDC Doc gives it a rate of 1% as his best judgement when said and done)

Currently, they are only testing people with symptoms, and tests are still not available for ALL with symptoms. With a two-week incubation time, this means, the current numbers of infected are at the lower bound of infections about two weeks ago. During much of that time, the infected are contagious. That is to say, at the speed of coronavirus spread, the real infection rate is several times the number of reported cases.

Now, at 8,000 tested positive, and probably 50,000 infected, the healthcare system is showing signs of severe strain. Without social distancing, this number is going to double every two to three days. How long do you think will it take until the healthcare system collapses entirely?

 

[SweetSue92]

But here is the difference and what scares people, the rate formula, is the rate of people who catches this virus, vs. the number of people who die from the virus.... (yes our rate of 1.6% could be high because we are not testing everyone, tests are still very limited and restricted but the CDC Doc gives it a rate of 1% as his best judgement when said and done)

Currently, they are only testing people with symptoms, and tests are still not available for ALL with symptoms. With a two-week incubation time, this means, the current numbers of infected are at the lower bound of infections about two weeks ago. During much of that time, the infected are contagious. That is to say, at the speed of coronavirus spread, the real infection rate is several times the number of reported cases.

Now, at 8,000 tested positive, and probably 50,000 infected, the healthcare system is showing signs of severe strain. Without social distancing, this number is going to double every two to three days. How long do you think will it take until the healthcare system collapses entirely?

Are you talking about YOUR health care system or ours?

 

[skookerasbil]

Only those who are trying to slip it under the rug don't remember it.

How can you forget that 12,400 Americans died from it?

Thank you President Barry.

Well, most of us had bigger worries, like the complete economic collapse Bush had given us.

But there are major differences. The first is that we had vaccines and treatments for flu. Most of those who died either didn't seek treatment or didn't get vaccinations or were already in comprimised health.

The second was that Obama actually DID act decisively. The obsession is that he didn't declare a "national emergency" when it started.

What Trump Is Getting Wrong About Obama’s Response to the 2009 H1N1 Pandemic

But who can resist comparing Obama and Trump? Let’s take a look at where Obama succeeded and where he failed. In short: Even with all the medical differences in diagnosis and management, the claim that the 2009 response was inadequate and led to excess deaths is a gross exaggeration.

During and after the pandemic, many claimed that Obama was ginning up the threat, talking about it too much, scaring people too much, being the Nanny State nightmare libertarians had had warned us against. Likely, they said, the faux-crisis was really about developing more support for the Affordable Care Act, not yet voted upon in Congress but looming menacingly on the cold horizon. At the time, I wrote an evaluation of the government response in the Daily Beast, mostly criticizing Washington overreach into a bad but routine crisis best handled by CDC experts, not politicians. In other words, I thought Obama was too responsive. (Ah, the good old days … )

More recently, Justin Fox at Bloomberg Opinion wrote a thorough comparison of the Obama and Trump responses. He looked in particular at one popular criticism made by Trump supporters about the timing of Obama’s declaration of “a national emergency.” The facts are that Obama declared a “public health emergency” a few weeks after the first cases in the U.S. This focused public attention and resources on the outbreak. In October, six months later, he declared “a national emergency.” Indeed, there are some subtle differences between the two federal responses, but for doctors and patients and human health, these bureaucratic distinctions are irrelevant.

You dummy...….a huge % of deaths from Corvid19 had compromised health. In many cases in Italy, elderly people dying had other serious illnesses going on. They count as a Covid19 case automatically. Dummy Only suckers fall for statistics without checking the details.

 

[SweetSue92]

Only those who are trying to slip it under the rug don't remember it.

How can you forget that 12,400 Americans died from it?

Thank you President Barry.

Well, most of us had bigger worries, like the complete economic collapse Bush had given us.

But there are major differences. The first is that we had vaccines and treatments for flu. Most of those who died either didn't seek treatment or didn't get vaccinations or were already in comprimised health.

The second was that Obama actually DID act decisively. The obsession is that he didn't declare a "national emergency" when it started.

What Trump Is Getting Wrong About Obama’s Response to the 2009 H1N1 Pandemic

But who can resist comparing Obama and Trump? Let’s take a look at where Obama succeeded and where he failed. In short: Even with all the medical differences in diagnosis and management, the claim that the 2009 response was inadequate and led to excess deaths is a gross exaggeration.

During and after the pandemic, many claimed that Obama was ginning up the threat, talking about it too much, scaring people too much, being the Nanny State nightmare libertarians had had warned us against. Likely, they said, the faux-crisis was really about developing more support for the Affordable Care Act, not yet voted upon in Congress but looming menacingly on the cold horizon. At the time, I wrote an evaluation of the government response in the Daily Beast, mostly criticizing Washington overreach into a bad but routine crisis best handled by CDC experts, not politicians. In other words, I thought Obama was too responsive. (Ah, the good old days … )

More recently, Justin Fox at Bloomberg Opinion wrote a thorough comparison of the Obama and Trump responses. He looked in particular at one popular criticism made by Trump supporters about the timing of Obama’s declaration of “a national emergency.” The facts are that Obama declared a “public health emergency” a few weeks after the first cases in the U.S. This focused public attention and resources on the outbreak. In October, six months later, he declared “a national emergency.” Indeed, there are some subtle differences between the two federal responses, but for doctors and patients and human health, these bureaucratic distinctions are irrelevant.

You dummy...….a huge % of deaths from Corvid19 had compromised health. In many cases in Italy, elderly people dying had other serious illnesses going on. They count as a Covid19 case automatically. Dummy Only suckers fall for statistics without checking the details.

Stuart Varney says this morning, "The economy is collapsing". I guess this was worth it to them right? Well, we're gonna see if it was worth it. Jump in, look later, and on the way down, SHAME everyone who dares say different.

 

[skookerasbil]

Only those who are trying to slip it under the rug don't remember it.

How can you forget that 12,400 Americans died from it?

Thank you President Barry.

Well, most of us had bigger worries, like the complete economic collapse Bush had given us.

But there are major differences. The first is that we had vaccines and treatments for flu. Most of those who died either didn't seek treatment or didn't get vaccinations or were already in comprimised health.

The second was that Obama actually DID act decisively. The obsession is that he didn't declare a "national emergency" when it started.

What Trump Is Getting Wrong About Obama’s Response to the 2009 H1N1 Pandemic

But who can resist comparing Obama and Trump? Let’s take a look at where Obama succeeded and where he failed. In short: Even with all the medical differences in diagnosis and management, the claim that the 2009 response was inadequate and led to excess deaths is a gross exaggeration.

During and after the pandemic, many claimed that Obama was ginning up the threat, talking about it too much, scaring people too much, being the Nanny State nightmare libertarians had had warned us against. Likely, they said, the faux-crisis was really about developing more support for the Affordable Care Act, not yet voted upon in Congress but looming menacingly on the cold horizon. At the time, I wrote an evaluation of the government response in the Daily Beast, mostly criticizing Washington overreach into a bad but routine crisis best handled by CDC experts, not politicians. In other words, I thought Obama was too responsive. (Ah, the good old days … )

More recently, Justin Fox at Bloomberg Opinion wrote a thorough comparison of the Obama and Trump responses. He looked in particular at one popular criticism made by Trump supporters about the timing of Obama’s declaration of “a national emergency.” The facts are that Obama declared a “public health emergency” a few weeks after the first cases in the U.S. This focused public attention and resources on the outbreak. In October, six months later, he declared “a national emergency.” Indeed, there are some subtle differences between the two federal responses, but for doctors and patients and human health, these bureaucratic distinctions are irrelevant.

LOL......nobody alive thinks Obama was "ginning up the threat"...…"scaring the people". Nobody knew about it...………..dummy. Ask anybody you bump into today...…...anybody. Nobody has the foggiest idea.....it was a passing 30 second blurb in the news once a week.

d0y

 

[JoeB131]

Are you talking about YOUR health care system or ours?

Definitely ours... or do you think that this is okay, because it will mostly be poor and minorities who suffer from it.

 

[skookerasbil]

Only those who are trying to slip it under the rug don't remember it.

How can you forget that 12,400 Americans died from it?

Thank you President Barry.

Well, most of us had bigger worries, like the complete economic collapse Bush had given us.

But there are major differences. The first is that we had vaccines and treatments for flu. Most of those who died either didn't seek treatment or didn't get vaccinations or were already in comprimised health.

The second was that Obama actually DID act decisively. The obsession is that he didn't declare a "national emergency" when it started.

What Trump Is Getting Wrong About Obama’s Response to the 2009 H1N1 Pandemic

But who can resist comparing Obama and Trump? Let’s take a look at where Obama succeeded and where he failed. In short: Even with all the medical differences in diagnosis and management, the claim that the 2009 response was inadequate and led to excess deaths is a gross exaggeration.

During and after the pandemic, many claimed that Obama was ginning up the threat, talking about it too much, scaring people too much, being the Nanny State nightmare libertarians had had warned us against. Likely, they said, the faux-crisis was really about developing more support for the Affordable Care Act, not yet voted upon in Congress but looming menacingly on the cold horizon. At the time, I wrote an evaluation of the government response in the Daily Beast, mostly criticizing Washington overreach into a bad but routine crisis best handled by CDC experts, not politicians. In other words, I thought Obama was too responsive. (Ah, the good old days … )

More recently, Justin Fox at Bloomberg Opinion wrote a thorough comparison of the Obama and Trump responses. He looked in particular at one popular criticism made by Trump supporters about the timing of Obama’s declaration of “a national emergency.” The facts are that Obama declared a “public health emergency” a few weeks after the first cases in the U.S. This focused public attention and resources on the outbreak. In October, six months later, he declared “a national emergency.” Indeed, there are some subtle differences between the two federal responses, but for doctors and patients and human health, these bureaucratic distinctions are irrelevant.

You dummy...….a huge % of deaths from Corvid19 had compromised health. In many cases in Italy, elderly people dying had other serious illnesses going on. They count as a Covid19 case automatically. Dummy Only suckers fall for statistics without checking the details.

Stuart Varney says this morning, "The economy is collapsing". I guess this was worth it to them right? Well, we're gonna see if it was worth it. Jump in, look later, and on the way down, SHAME everyone who dares say different.

Sweetie...…...best reboot on that. Nobody knows what the hell you just said.

 

[skookerasbil]

Are you talking about YOUR health care system or ours?

Definitely ours... or do you think that this is okay, because it will mostly be poor and minorities who suffer from it.

Oh Gawd……...here is this guy again making it an identity politics discussion.

Nobody cares

One fabulous thing lost in all the virus upheaval > that Bernie Sanders ideas have been rejected in train wreck fashion. Nobody cares about the woke contingent...…….they are irrelevant. The hate America crew is standing on the sidelines with their thumbs stuck waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay up their asses. Its a beautiful thing.

 

[SweetSue92]

Only those who are trying to slip it under the rug don't remember it.

How can you forget that 12,400 Americans died from it?

Thank you President Barry.

Well, most of us had bigger worries, like the complete economic collapse Bush had given us.

But there are major differences. The first is that we had vaccines and treatments for flu. Most of those who died either didn't seek treatment or didn't get vaccinations or were already in comprimised health.

The second was that Obama actually DID act decisively. The obsession is that he didn't declare a "national emergency" when it started.

What Trump Is Getting Wrong About Obama’s Response to the 2009 H1N1 Pandemic

But who can resist comparing Obama and Trump? Let’s take a look at where Obama succeeded and where he failed. In short: Even with all the medical differences in diagnosis and management, the claim that the 2009 response was inadequate and led to excess deaths is a gross exaggeration.

During and after the pandemic, many claimed that Obama was ginning up the threat, talking about it too much, scaring people too much, being the Nanny State nightmare libertarians had had warned us against. Likely, they said, the faux-crisis was really about developing more support for the Affordable Care Act, not yet voted upon in Congress but looming menacingly on the cold horizon. At the time, I wrote an evaluation of the government response in the Daily Beast, mostly criticizing Washington overreach into a bad but routine crisis best handled by CDC experts, not politicians. In other words, I thought Obama was too responsive. (Ah, the good old days … )

More recently, Justin Fox at Bloomberg Opinion wrote a thorough comparison of the Obama and Trump responses. He looked in particular at one popular criticism made by Trump supporters about the timing of Obama’s declaration of “a national emergency.” The facts are that Obama declared a “public health emergency” a few weeks after the first cases in the U.S. This focused public attention and resources on the outbreak. In October, six months later, he declared “a national emergency.” Indeed, there are some subtle differences between the two federal responses, but for doctors and patients and human health, these bureaucratic distinctions are irrelevant.

You dummy...….a huge % of deaths from Corvid19 had compromised health. In many cases in Italy, elderly people dying had other serious illnesses going on. They count as a Covid19 case automatically. Dummy Only suckers fall for statistics without checking the details.

Stuart Varney says this morning, "The economy is collapsing". I guess this was worth it to them right? Well, we're gonna see if it was worth it. Jump in, look later, and on the way down, SHAME everyone who dares say different.

Sweetie...…...best reboot on that. Nobody knows what the hell you just said.

It is worth it to these Leftists to do all these extreme measures (shutting down everything) even if they have no idea how effective they are and even if the economy completely tanks. They don't think logically. Did that help

 

[Care4all]

Only those who are trying to slip it under the rug don't remember it.

How can you forget that 12,400 Americans died from it?

Thank you President Barry.

Well, most of us had bigger worries, like the complete economic collapse Bush had given us.

But there are major differences. The first is that we had vaccines and treatments for flu. Most of those who died either didn't seek treatment or didn't get vaccinations or were already in comprimised health.

The second was that Obama actually DID act decisively. The obsession is that he didn't declare a "national emergency" when it started.

What Trump Is Getting Wrong About Obama’s Response to the 2009 H1N1 Pandemic

But who can resist comparing Obama and Trump? Let’s take a look at where Obama succeeded and where he failed. In short: Even with all the medical differences in diagnosis and management, the claim that the 2009 response was inadequate and led to excess deaths is a gross exaggeration.

During and after the pandemic, many claimed that Obama was ginning up the threat, talking about it too much, scaring people too much, being the Nanny State nightmare libertarians had had warned us against. Likely, they said, the faux-crisis was really about developing more support for the Affordable Care Act, not yet voted upon in Congress but looming menacingly on the cold horizon. At the time, I wrote an evaluation of the government response in the Daily Beast, mostly criticizing Washington overreach into a bad but routine crisis best handled by CDC experts, not politicians. In other words, I thought Obama was too responsive. (Ah, the good old days … )

More recently, Justin Fox at Bloomberg Opinion wrote a thorough comparison of the Obama and Trump responses. He looked in particular at one popular criticism made by Trump supporters about the timing of Obama’s declaration of “a national emergency.” The facts are that Obama declared a “public health emergency” a few weeks after the first cases in the U.S. This focused public attention and resources on the outbreak. In October, six months later, he declared “a national emergency.” Indeed, there are some subtle differences between the two federal responses, but for doctors and patients and human health, these bureaucratic distinctions are irrelevant.

You dummy...….a huge % of deaths from Corvid19 had compromised health. In many cases in Italy, elderly people dying had other serious illnesses going on. They count as a Covid19 case automatically. Dummy Only suckers fall for statistics without checking the details.

- 34% of the critical, hospitalized patient with COVID are millennials.... in italy

-60 Million Americans are seniors or younger with health condition that make them vulnerable to die from this virus.

That's not a small number!