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You need to change the channel. Trump didn’t disband anything. He trimmed the excess and your propagandists say he disbanded.Excellent points but most especially your last one. The economy is going to crash, and no one has weighed this out against the cost of whatever we're going to gain at the ERs.
I bring up, okay, over 100 people die every day on the the US roads in car accidents. And yet, we have not stopped all vehicle travel. No one has said, no car travel because people are dying. Why not? Why do we accept 100 traffic fatalities every single day but we must bring our economy to a screeching halt over this?
No answer to that. People just blubber and stammer. "Well it's not the same". Why not?
People are dumb and are sheep and it's so frustrating
It's not the same because of probability.
Covid 19 (Trump's Katrina) has a fatality rate of 2%. Or to put it in proper terms, we have 274 MILLION motor vehicles on the road. if traffic accidents happened at the same rate of Covid 19 deaths, we would have 5 million traffic deaths.
Yes, this would be an emergency.
Of course, it would be nice if Trump hadn't disbanded the Pandemic Response Team, slashed health spending for poor people, etc. That will probably make Covid 19 (Trump's Katrina) worse.
Great article.....spread it around on social media...the more people who understand the over reaction to this virus the better.....
You need to change the channel. Trump didn’t disband anything. He trimmed the excess and your propagandists say he disbanded.
As for a Katrina, Katrina was the epitome of the mixture of democrat socialist sloth and self-segregating blacks manifesting itself through the resulting lack of personal responsibility.
Don’t be surprised if an ignorant segment of the US population discover a racial disparity in the number of infections with Wuhan virus and blame racism.
Well, most of us had bigger worries, like the complete economic collapse Bush had given us.
But there are major differences. The first is that we had vaccines and treatments for flu. Most of those who died either didn't seek treatment or didn't get vaccinations or were already in comprimised health.
The second was that Obama actually DID act decisively. The obsession is that he didn't declare a "national emergency" when it started.
What Trump Is Getting Wrong About Obama’s Response to the 2009 H1N1 Pandemic
But who can resist comparing Obama and Trump? Let’s take a look at where Obama succeeded and where he failed. In short: Even with all the medical differences in diagnosis and management, the claim that the 2009 response was inadequate and led to excess deaths is a gross exaggeration.
During and after the pandemic, many claimed that Obama was ginning up the threat, talking about it too much, scaring people too much, being the Nanny State nightmare libertarians had had warned us against. Likely, they said, the faux-crisis was really about developing more support for the Affordable Care Act, not yet voted upon in Congress but looming menacingly on the cold horizon. At the time, I wrote an evaluation of the government response in the Daily Beast, mostly criticizing Washington overreach into a bad but routine crisis best handled by CDC experts, not politicians. In other words, I thought Obama was too responsive. (Ah, the good old days … )
More recently, Justin Fox at Bloomberg Opinion wrote a thorough comparison of the Obama and Trump responses. He looked in particular at one popular criticism made by Trump supporters about the timing of Obama’s declaration of “a national emergency.” The facts are that Obama declared a “public health emergency” a few weeks after the first cases in the U.S. This focused public attention and resources on the outbreak. In October, six months later, he declared “a national emergency.” Indeed, there are some subtle differences between the two federal responses, but for doctors and patients and human health, these bureaucratic distinctions are irrelevant.
Excellent response to a very partisan OP filled with conspiracy theories!
I notice that some Trump fanatics instinctively believe every government agency is "socialist" and automatically figure everything Obama did was wrong. I think you set the record straight.
Just a week or so ago Trump was acting complacent, ignoring expert advice that despite his CDC-recommended ban on tourists traveling from China, the Coronavirus nevertheless was already circulating in our country. NOW Trump has dramatically increased funding for CDC and relies on its many experts, as indeed he should.
President Trump is also now the one ultimately responsible for adopting and encouraging preventative measures that will inevitably disrupt, and partially compensate for the disruption of, our real economy.
The differences between the Swine Flu H1N1 virus and Covid-9 are many, and dramatic. The fatality rate of Swine flu was about 100 times less than the likely real fatality rate of Covid-19, which also allows for much greater asymptomatic spread. The Swine Flu virus started in Mexico and was not even identified clearly before it had very widely spread in this country and all over the world. The CDC did a good job, though errors were made, as is always true in dealing with essentially new viral outbreaks. Swine Flu never overwhelmed any hospitals in this country, despite infecting 20% of U.S. (and world) population. Here is Wikipedia:
"The virus was less lethal than previous pandemic strains and killed about 0.01–0.03% of those infected; the 1918 influenza was about one hundred times more lethal and had a case fatality rate of 2–3%. By 14 November 2009, the virus had infected one in six Americans with 200,000 hospitalisations and 10,000 deaths – as many hospitalizations and fewer deaths than in an average flu season overall ..."
With a rapid development of a vaccine, with strong measures of "social distancing" which unfortunately will have very serious economic effects, without panic, and with a little luck, this pandemic's spread can be stopped before it gets out of hand. We have seen its potential to wreck havoc, but also that it can be stopped, as in China.
One of the great weaknesses of our country is its lack of social solidarity and its often irrational political polarity. A lot of people despise Trump -- myself included. A lot of people love him totally and mistakenly think that any criticism of him is unwarranted. Now that he has adopted many of the suggestions of CDC experts and even Democrats in Congress, we shall all just have to hope that the new policies prove effective.
The differences between the Swine Flu H1N1 virus and Covid-9 are many, and dramatic. The fatality rate of Swine flu was about 100 times less than the likely real fatality rate of Covid-19, which also allows for much greater asymptomatic spread. The Swine Flu virus started in Mexico and was not even identified clearly before it had very widely spread in this country and all over the world. The CDC did a good job, though errors were made, as is always true in dealing with essentially new viral outbreaks. Swine Flu never overwhelmed any hospitals in this country, despite infecting 20% of U.S. (and world) population. Here is Wikipedia:
"The virus was less lethal than previous pandemic strains and killed about 0.01–0.03% of those infected; the 1918 influenza was about one hundred times more lethal and had a case fatality rate of 2–3%. By 14 November 2009, the virus had infected one in six Americans with 200,000 hospitalisations and 10,000 deaths – as many hospitalizations and fewer deaths than in an average flu season overall ..."
Good post.
12,000 ultimately died from H1N1 - imagine what would have happened had President Obama enacted "social distancing" and home quarantine in 2009, above and on top of Bush's wholesale financial and economic arson, while fewer died than during the average flu season. He declared a national health emergency at a time when just 20 cases were detected in the U.S., all of them safely on their way to recovery. Still, no one at the time thought it wise to bring the economy and social life to a halt over a 0.02% death rate - yet now Trumpletons are ordered to hyperventilate about President Obama's competent and swift reaction to the outbreak. As usual, they comply in abject subservience, lying on behalf of their Dear Leader.
We still have and never removed any pandemic defense. It was streamlined. Dems were impeaching trump while this crisis developed. He was called xenophobic for instituting a travel ban on China.You need to change the channel. Trump didn’t disband anything. He trimmed the excess and your propagandists say he disbanded.
Point was, we had a Pandemic Response Team before Trump, we don't have one now. It shows.
As for a Katrina, Katrina was the epitome of the mixture of democrat socialist sloth and self-segregating blacks manifesting itself through the resulting lack of personal responsibility.
No, it was a president who hung out on his ranch making faces at a Mom who had lost her son in Iraq when he should have been preparing for an impending disaster. Then this huge bureaucracy that he built to deal with such emergencies FAILED MISERABLY, resulting in thousands of deaths.
Don’t be surprised if an ignorant segment of the US population discover a racial disparity in the number of infections with Wuhan virus and blame racism.
You'd better hope not. All those black folks who didn't show up for Hillary last time WILL show up for Biden this time if that proves to be the case.
Of course, the first thing these folks will remember is that Trump slashed their health care at the begining of this crisis.
U.S.: 5,700 confirmed cases, 107 dead. Amounts to 1,877 dead per 100k.
That’s 1.6%, most of whom have preexisting age and illness issues.U.S.: 5,700 confirmed cases, 107 dead. Amounts to 1,877 dead per 100k.
Just seen the new numbers:
7,111 confirmed cases, 117 dead. Amounts to 1,645 dead per 100k.
As you would expect, as testing is being ramped up (not anywhere near the required amount), the death rate plummets. Still, as the death rate would need to drop to about one tenth of the current rate to get in line with how deadly Covid-19 really is, this also implies that nine out of ten cases are still not detected, not isolated, and further spreading. That's troubling.
That’s 1.6%, most of whom have preexisting age and illness issues.
That still seems like a number that does not warrant such draconian, counterproductive measures.
If I’m brain-dead, why can’t you address the math?That’s 1.6%, most of whom have preexisting age and illness issues.
That still seems like a number that does not warrant such draconian, counterproductive measures.
Yeah, but you're a brain-dead moron, and a fail-safe contrary indicator, which pretty much demonstrates that the currently still rather lenient measures are actually helpful, or rather, absent a cure or a vaccine, the only promising counter-measures.
If I’m brain-dead, why can’t you address the math?That’s 1.6%, most of whom have preexisting age and illness issues.
That still seems like a number that does not warrant such draconian, counterproductive measures.
Yeah, but you're a brain-dead moron, and a fail-safe contrary indicator, which pretty much demonstrates that the currently still rather lenient measures are actually helpful, or rather, absent a cure or a vaccine, the only promising counter-measures.
1.6% may even be inflated. You even pointed out yourself the overall number is unknown. Could only be higher which makes the percentage lower.If I’m brain-dead, why can’t you address the math?That’s 1.6%, most of whom have preexisting age and illness issues.
That still seems like a number that does not warrant such draconian, counterproductive measures.
Yeah, but you're a brain-dead moron, and a fail-safe contrary indicator, which pretty much demonstrates that the currently still rather lenient measures are actually helpful, or rather, absent a cure or a vaccine, the only promising counter-measures.
You think, converting 1,600 per 100k into 1.6% is "math"?
You think breezily declaring 1.6% of an unknown number of people not worthy of protection because they are old or have preexisting conditions is a question of "math"?
China put a cap on their number of infections with draconian measures at below 100k, with more than 3,000 deaths.
Coronavirus spreads at least as easily as the flu. So, without some counter-measures to curtail the spread, Corona would infect at least the same numbers as the swine flu in the U.S., that is, 60 million. At a death rate of 1.645%, that would mean a million dead. A million dead you dismiss because you think having to curtail your activities to protect others is too much of a burden on you.
Reportedly, about 20% of the infected require serious attention at a hospital. That would be 12 million people to care for.
Half of whom at least require ICU care - the number of available ICU beds is less than 100k. They are all mostly used. So what to do? The same could be said with respirators - pretty much all in use. At this time, at the very beginning of this epidemic, hospitals call back retired nurses and doctors, try to get those in nursing schools to serve in hospitals, folks are overburdened already with the number of cases above and on top of their normal, already considerable workload. Protective gear running short. And not produced in anywhere near the required numbers, not to mention supply lines between the U.S. and China, ironically, are cut.
That is to say: Without intensive care - the beds, the personnel, the resources to treat those 12 million patients aren't there and will not be - the death rate rises even more.
So, we're not talking a million dead, we're talking millions dead, all breezily dismissed because you've been invited to behave reasonably in the face of a pandemic, and resent that.
I wasn't quite correct, though. You're not just brain-dead, your soul is dead, too.
the Flu's mortality rate is 0.05% to 0.07% so let's round it up to 1/10th of 1% (0.1%)That’s 1.6%, most of whom have preexisting age and illness issues.U.S.: 5,700 confirmed cases, 107 dead. Amounts to 1,877 dead per 100k.
Just seen the new numbers:
7,111 confirmed cases, 117 dead. Amounts to 1,645 dead per 100k.
As you would expect, as testing is being ramped up (not anywhere near the required amount), the death rate plummets. Still, as the death rate would need to drop to about one tenth of the current rate to get in line with how deadly Covid-19 really is, this also implies that nine out of ten cases are still not detected, not isolated, and further spreading. That's troubling.
That still seems like a number that does not warrant such draconian, counterproductive measures.
The problem with your theory is that it would depend on the 1.6% transcending age and health. Instead, this virus appears to mostly kill those who are compromised by age and health. If the current stat factoring in age and health was applied to the entire population being infected, the number of deaths wouldn’t rise proportionately with the overall population number; instead, the percentage of deaths would drop.the Flu's mortality rate is 0.05% to 0.07% so let's round it up to 1/10th of 1% (0.1%)That’s 1.6%, most of whom have preexisting age and illness issues.U.S.: 5,700 confirmed cases, 107 dead. Amounts to 1,877 dead per 100k.
Just seen the new numbers:
7,111 confirmed cases, 117 dead. Amounts to 1,645 dead per 100k.
As you would expect, as testing is being ramped up (not anywhere near the required amount), the death rate plummets. Still, as the death rate would need to drop to about one tenth of the current rate to get in line with how deadly Covid-19 really is, this also implies that nine out of ten cases are still not detected, not isolated, and further spreading. That's troubling.
That still seems like a number that does not warrant such draconian, counterproductive measures.
A coronavirus19 mortality rate of 1.6% is
a 16 times greater mortality rate than the yearly Flu.
The Flu on average kills 36000 people a year...
A 16 times greater mortality rate would be around 576,000 deaths a year..... some estimates are a million to 2 million this virus year....
I heard that CDC Doc say in a hearing that he believed the rate would settle at around 1% and he said it was 10 times greater a mortality rate than the yearly flu.
But here is the difference and what scares people, the rate formula, is the rate of people who catches this virus, vs. the number of people who die from the virus.... (yes our rate of 1.6% could be high because we are not testing everyone, tests are still very limited and restricted but the CDC Doc gives it a rate of 1% as his best judgement when said and done)
Our problem with this COVID19 is it spreads faster than the flu, is highly contagious AND MOST IMPORTANTLY +40% of our population is NOT vaccinated for it, as they are with The Flu....
And if EVERY ONE of our 320 million end up catching it, then a 1% mortality rate, could be 3,200,000....
3.2 million in just the first season of the virus, VS. THE ANNUAL 36,000 of the Flu.
This is why these drastic measures by businesses to close down, and hunker down-ing at home are happening and the stock market falling.... to try to keep this from spreading so fast, and from spreading to everyone.
You beat me to it, Doc! I was going to write a similar post about H1N1 but you did a better job than I would have. Well done.Remember the H1N1 Pandemic? I Don’t Either
https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...nt_either.html
March 16, 2020 ~~ By Brian C.Joondeph, MD
America is in the grips of a panic the likes of which we haven’t seen before. What exactly is a pandemic, other than a scary sounding word from science fiction movies? According to WHO, “Pandemic refers to an epidemic that has spread over several countries or continents, usually affecting a large number of people.”
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Wuhan virus is not the first viral pandemic America has had to contend with. The last one was the H1N1 virus from 2009. How did America react to that last pandemic 10 years ago? Does anyone have more than a vague recollection of H1N1, also known as swine flu? No one will forget this current panic, but most have forgotten H1N1.
During the swine flu pandemic, were there mass cancellations of events including conferences, concerts, sporting events, and entire professional sports leagues? Did colleges cancel classes, finishing the remainder of their semesters online? Were travel restrictions imposed between America and Europe? Were panicked Americans hoarding everything from toilet paper to pasta?
~~ snip ~~
If these things happened during the swine flu pandemic, I certainly have no recollection. In 2009, congressional Democrat leaders weren’t criticizing the president, instead they were trying to force through a government takeover of healthcare, known as Obama-Care. Criticizing its namesake wasn’t in the media’s playbook and they all but ignored the swine flu.
What a difference a decade and a president makes.
~~ snip ~~
How did the media react in 2009? The NY Times praised Obama’s leadership. From a May 1, 2009 article,
A week after his administration first received word about a deadly flu spreading across Mexico, President Obama convened his cabinet on Friday and instructed every agency to play a role in preparing the United States for a pandemic.
The president’s comments came at the end of a week long balancing act in which his public words and actions were carefully measured to summon a sense of urgency without setting off a panic. It was no coincidence, his aides said, that he played golf the day his administration declared a national emergency.
Imagine if Trump played golf last week. I’m sure the media would just mention it in passing as an example of President Trump trying to avoid setting off a panic.
Otherwise the two presidents did much the same, convening their cabinets, creating a game plan, and insisting on interagency cooperation. Was media reaction the same? Hardly.
Good luck finding a description of Trump’s response to coronavirus from any newspaper or cable news show comparable to how they reported on Obama as he faced the swine flu pandemic. What a difference a president makes.
Swine flu came and went, leaving a far greater swath of destruction compared to the current coronavirus outbreak. The economic and societal disruption from the reaction to coronavirus is likely to be far worse to whatever damage the virus does. Yet the reactions are far different, flames of panic stoked by the media. Most don’t remember the swine flu pandemic but will certainly remember the current chaos.
What’s the difference? The occupant of the White House and an upcoming election. And ponder this timing. The WHO declared coronavirus a global health emergency within a week of President Trump’s impeachment acquittal in the Senate. Do you believe in coincidences?
Comment:
Anyone who is cogent with a memory that reaches back to 2009 would agree with Dr. Joondeph. The fact is that the Obama administration with the cooperating media downplayed the infectious virus until over one hundred fifty of thousand were infected and more than 5,000 died of the illness.
It will be a cold day in hell before those Communists apologize for their carelessness in allowing researchers to sell infected animals to be used in food or admit they created this thing as a bio weapon that got out of the lab. They will neither apologize for their complicity (which being the born liars they are have tried to pin blame on the US) or offer any sort of compensation to victims or countries that have been victimized by their stupidity. Tell me again why we have any kind of relationship with these people?
IMHO, if Trump were not in office, the American people would be as ignorant about the Wuhan Covid-19 as they were about H1N1. Swine flu.
We have, right now, a one in a million death rate from Wuhan Covid-19 and we are shutting down our society. We should be embarrassed that we can be panicked so easily. We didn't even panic buying during the Cuban missile crisis and those were nukes pointed at us. We've become a nation of Snowflakes triggered our own shadows.
The most terrifying aspect of this mass hysteria is the willingness for people to give up their freedoms and security to politicians that will take the opportunity to keep their controls.
Well, most of us had bigger worries, like the complete economic collapse Bush had given us.
