Remember when Trump was attacking NATO? Thank your lucky stars he was fired.

[Oldestyle]

Oh sweet Jebus.....

Let me guess, Odanny...you think the Russians only tried to hurt Hillary? That they've never messed around with our elections before? Aren't you the naive little bunny!

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Gee not fooled...did Trump ever get caught on tape promising to play ball with Putin as soon as the elections were over? Oh, that's right...that was Barry! Telling the Russians on a hot mic not to pay attention to his rhetoric because it was just bullshit designed to fool the American people but that once he was reelected it would be business as usual?

You are a liar as usual. Obama was discussing European missile defense against Iran in talks with Mr. Medvedev. Obama said nothing that was not consistent with his public comments on the topic.

The White House says it is committed to implementing a missile defence shield in Europe despite Russian objections, but that longstanding hurdles mean it would take time to conclude a deal. -​

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Obama hits back in Russia 'hot mike' row - 9News​

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Washington and NATO argue that the shield is meant to protect Western nations against missile attacks from potential future nuclear powers such as Iran. Moscow fears the shield could undermine its own nuclear capabilities.​

At that time Putin’s oligarch was President of Ukraine The only territory Putin had seized was in South OSSETIA viiiage and Abkhazia from Georgia, apparently because PUTIN had no fear of George W. Bush.

Obama did not say “play ball“. You’re a liar. All lies about Obama are racist but specifically thus one”

“We cannot really know what they were getting at in their private conversations -- other than an obvious statement that any American president might have more flexibility on foreign policy after an election.”​

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Obama hits back in Russia 'hot mike' row - 9News

US President Barack Obama has defended comments made to his Russian counterpart, caught by a live microphon...

www.9news.com.au

Obama said to build trust with Russia that could lead to new reductions in former Cold War nuclear arsenals, he needed to engage Moscow on its contention that the missile shield infringes its strategic interests.​

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"The only way I get this stuff done​

is if I'm consulting with the Pentagon, with Congress, if I've got bipartisan support," Obama told reporters, who said his comments to Medvedev were consistent with his public position.​

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Obama scrapped the Bush missile defense against Iran much better one protected more of Europe and requires many US troops Stationed in Poland to operate it Obama was a huge winner on that. Election year or time to get the proposals through Congress etc.

“ The Bush plan, which included interceptors and radars in Poland and the Czech Republic, left most of southern Europe uncovered -- a problem the Obama plan seeks to fix. Meanwhile, the Bush plan was accepted in Poland mainly to get U.S. support troops there, not out of excitement for missile defense.​

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Obama Is Getting Missile Defense Right in Europe

Perhaps it is time to get the politics out of missile defense and let threats, capacity and, indeed, science inform the national interest.

www.huffpost.com

The Czech public overwhelmingly opposed the concept from the beginning. The Obama plan -- which focuses on Aegis cruisers at sea, and then deploys similar systems on land, provides a credible foundation for a new look at NATO collective defense -- relevant to all allies. Making NATO collective defense credible is hardly a "concession" to Russia.​

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Now you have the facts Oldestyle so STFU about it evermore!

 

[Coyote]

Bull Shit

Summarizing Bolton’s Newsmax appearance, Levin writes, “For those of you who prefer CliffsNotes,

âVillage idiotâ Trump would have let Putin take Ukraine âno questions askedâ: journalist

One of the ludicrous MAGA talking points being parroted in right-wing media outlets is that Russian President Vladimir Putin would not have invaded Ukraine were Donald Trump still president because Putin feared Trump more than he fears President Joe Biden. Vanity Fair’s Bess Levin tears that...

www.rawstory.com

the takeaways here are that: (1) Any sanctions that were placed on Russians during Trump’s time in office were in spite of Trump, who thought they were too mean. (2) Russia didn’t not invade Ukraine while Trump was in office because it was scared of him, but because it wasn’t ready — meaning it might very well have done so in Trump’s second term. (3) Trump is a village idiot who couldn‘t find Ukraine on a map…. (4) Trump — and here, we’re just going to quote Bolton because it bears repeating — once asked if Finland were a part of Russia.’”

Trump resisted imposing any sanctions until he finally had under pressure from his party. He was Putin’s useful idiot through and through. He was even nice enough to abandon our alies in Syria and let Putin use them for testing out his new weapons and targeting civilians.

 

[The Original Tree]

Trump was right to tell NATO to increase their defense spending.

watch this, and it will blow your mind.

 

[toobfreak]

Remember when Trump was attacking NATO? Thank your lucky stars he was fired.​

Fired? No one fired Trump. Fired for what?

1. A great economy?
2. Getting us a vaccine for Covid in record time?
3. Keeping crime low?
4. Securing our borders?
5. Reducing unfair taxation and regulation?
6. Inducing greater investment and development in this country?
7. Giving us a stable world stage wirth Jinping, Putin, Un, and the Ayatollahs in check?

You can stop the fake front now. Everyone understands that Trump in no way lost that election by a mile. The 2020 election was stolen by democrats using hundreds of millions of dollars donated by corrupted rich tech giants.

 

[The Original Tree]

Nothing is getting in man...the access points are owned by Russia the air is too....stop believing Blinken...

Except presto chango Biden pulls Border control agents on out Southern borde.

Interesting.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Trump has condemned Putin for what he is doing.

Only after cuddling him for four years. Only to brag about himself saying he would’ve stopped it. However Trump gives us no explanation as to just exactly what he would’ve done to stop it.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Fired? No one fired Trump. Fired for what?

81 million voters fired the useless piece of shit

 

[NotfooledbyW]

The 2020 election was stolen by democrats using hundreds of millions of dollars donated by corrupted rich tech giants.

why didn’t Democrats rig a 60 vote majority in the Senate

 

[odanny]

Only after cuddling him for four years. Only to brag about himself saying he would’ve stopped it. However Trump gives us no explanation as to just exactly what he would’ve done to stop it.

Trump is a pathological liar and a clown. Trump admired Putin more than anyone, with the North Korean tyrant a close second (remember, they "fell in love", Trump said as much)

 

[odanny]

Fired? No one fired Trump. Fired for what?

Being a fucking idiot.

 

[Turtlesoup]

What a clusterfuck our response to this invasion would be if Putin's BFF was still in Washington. The world breathes a sigh of relief, along with educated and sensible Americans.



BRUSSELS — The Dutch are sending rocket launchers for air defense. The Estonians are sending Javelin antitank missiles. The Poles and the Latvians are sending Stinger surface-to-air missiles. The Czechs are sending machine guns, sniper rifles, pistols and ammunition.

Even formerly neutral countries like Sweden and Finland are sending weapons. And Germany, long allergic to sending weapons into conflict zones, is sending Stingers as well as other shoulder-launched rockets.

In all, about 20 countries — most members of NATO and the European Union, but not all — are funneling arms into Ukraine to fight off Russian invaders and arm an insurgency, if the war comes to that.

At the same time, NATO is moving military equipment and as many as 22,000 more troops into member states bordering Russia and Belarus, to reassure them and enhance deterrence.


The Russian invasion of Ukraine has brought European countries together as never before, minds concentrated by the larger threat to European security presented by the Russia of President Vladimir V. Putin.

“European security and defense has evolved more in the last six days than in the last two decades,” Ursula von der Leyen, the president of the European Union’s executive arm, asserted in a speech to the European Parliament on Tuesday. Brussels has moved to “Europeanize” the efforts of member states to aid Ukraine with weapons and money and put down a marker for the bloc as a significant military actor.


But whether European weaponry will continue to reach the Ukrainian battlefield in time to make a difference is far from certain. However proud Brussels is of its effort, it is a strategy that risks encouraging a wider war and possible retaliation from Mr. Putin. The rush of lethal military aid into Ukraine from Poland, a member of NATO, aims, after all, to kill Russian soldiers.

Mr. Putin already sees NATO as committed to threaten or even destroy Russia through its support for Ukraine, as he has repeated in his recent speeches, even as he has raised the nuclear alert of his own forces to warn Europe and the United States of the risks of interference.

NATO Countries Pour Weapons Into Ukraine, Risking Conflict With Russia (Published 2022)

Brussels is proud to be providing military aid, but Moscow may see it as a dangerous intervention.

www.nytimes.com

What a stupid comment...another poor baseless attempt to smear trump on made up bullshit. Everyone knows that Trump and PUtin aren't friends but the lib communists keep trying to pretend otherwise to cover up Biden and his son being snagged taking brbies from the communist chinese and even the russians.

 

[Stashman]

None of your fantasies have anything to do with this thread. NATO stands strong, unlike when Trump was attacking it and praising Putin.

Oh wait, he is still praising Putin...

Here's a fact for you. Obama sent blankets to Ukraine, and Trump sent Javelin tank destroying missiles.

 

[Turtlesoup]

why didn’t Democrats rig a 60 vote majority in the Senate

Because they needed their corrupt republican swamp creatures to help push the stealing scam.

 

[toobfreak]

Being a fucking idiot.

If being a fucking idiot could get you fired, then what's Joe still doing in office?

He is everything Trump is, but 150X worse.

 

[odanny]

Here's a fact for you. Obama sent blankets to Ukraine, and Trump sent Javelin tank destroying missiles.

Liar.

 

[odanny]

What a stupid comment...another poor baseless attempt to smear trump on made up bullshit. Everyone knows that Trump and PUtin aren't friends but the lib communists keep trying to pretend otherwise to cover up Biden and his son being snagged taking brbies from the communist chinese and even the russians.

You're semi coherent, but why take my word for it? Search out for yourself what Trump said about Putin. You might learn something you never heard or saw on Fox News.

 

[dudmuck]

Fired? No one fired Trump. Fired for what?

1. A great economy?
2. Getting us a vaccine for Covid in record time?
3. Keeping crime low?
4. Securing our borders?
5. Reducing unfair taxation and regulation?
6. Inducing greater investment and development in this country?
7. Giving us a stable world stage wirth Jinping, Putin, Un, and the Ayatollahs in check?

You can stop the fake front now. Everyone understands that Trump in no way lost that election by a mile. The 2020 election was stolen by democrats using hundreds of millions of dollars donated by corrupted rich tech giants.

Trump's legacy will be his relationship with right wing extremist groups and his crimes related to the 2020 election.

Trump's applauding Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro and meeting with North Korea's Kim Jong Un, really turning himself inside out to align the US with regimes that are the antithesis of values that the US says it wants to promote.

if you think election was stolen by the wealthy, thats citizens united.

 

[Stashman]

Liar.

Leftist hate facts they are so inconvient are they not?

 

[Lastamender]

What a clusterfuck our response to this invasion would be if Putin's BFF was still in Washington. The world breathes a sigh of relief, along with educated and sensible Americans.



BRUSSELS — The Dutch are sending rocket launchers for air defense. The Estonians are sending Javelin antitank missiles. The Poles and the Latvians are sending Stinger surface-to-air missiles. The Czechs are sending machine guns, sniper rifles, pistols and ammunition.

Even formerly neutral countries like Sweden and Finland are sending weapons. And Germany, long allergic to sending weapons into conflict zones, is sending Stingers as well as other shoulder-launched rockets.

In all, about 20 countries — most members of NATO and the European Union, but not all — are funneling arms into Ukraine to fight off Russian invaders and arm an insurgency, if the war comes to that.

At the same time, NATO is moving military equipment and as many as 22,000 more troops into member states bordering Russia and Belarus, to reassure them and enhance deterrence.


The Russian invasion of Ukraine has brought European countries together as never before, minds concentrated by the larger threat to European security presented by the Russia of President Vladimir V. Putin.

“European security and defense has evolved more in the last six days than in the last two decades,” Ursula von der Leyen, the president of the European Union’s executive arm, asserted in a speech to the European Parliament on Tuesday. Brussels has moved to “Europeanize” the efforts of member states to aid Ukraine with weapons and money and put down a marker for the bloc as a significant military actor.


But whether European weaponry will continue to reach the Ukrainian battlefield in time to make a difference is far from certain. However proud Brussels is of its effort, it is a strategy that risks encouraging a wider war and possible retaliation from Mr. Putin. The rush of lethal military aid into Ukraine from Poland, a member of NATO, aims, after all, to kill Russian soldiers.

Mr. Putin already sees NATO as committed to threaten or even destroy Russia through its support for Ukraine, as he has repeated in his recent speeches, even as he has raised the nuclear alert of his own forces to warn Europe and the United States of the risks of interference.

NATO Countries Pour Weapons Into Ukraine, Risking Conflict With Russia (Published 2022)

Brussels is proud to be providing military aid, but Moscow may see it as a dangerous intervention.

www.nytimes.com

No one has declared war on a NATO nation.