Republicans can’t seem to accurately define what socialism is

[Rustic]

The truth of the matter is that it is a very broad term. It’s something that’s always been apart of the framework of this country yet Repubs like to pretend it is the antithesis of the Founding Father’s philosophy. Republicans have a hard time even defining the term in their OWN WORDS. That alone tells you they lack a basic understanding of the word.

Socialism = a world of shit and piss

 

[boedicca]

The truth of the matter is that it is a very broad term. It’s something that’s always been apart of the framework of this country yet Repubs like to pretend it is the antithesis of the Founding Father’s philosophy. Republicans have a hard time even defining the term in their OWN WORDS. That alone tells you they lack a basic understanding of the word.

Socialism is a con game that used to dupe people into working for others for free.

 

[Rustic]

It's an oppressive economic construct that forcibly confiscates the property of some to give to others who didn't earn it. It's immoral and unethical and hardly surprising that you support it.

The very basic definition of the word has nothing to do with this. Socialism’s definition isn’t about authoritarianism.

Any freedom and individuality can not exist in socialism

 

[Rustic]

The truth of the matter is that it is a very broad term. It’s something that’s always been apart of the framework of this country yet Repubs like to pretend it is the antithesis of the Founding Father’s philosophy. Republicans have a hard time even defining the term in their OWN WORDS. That alone tells you they lack a basic understanding of the word.

Well, they could start out by asking their post office, police dept., fire dept., soldiers, etc...

Socialism is taxpayer funds being used collectively to benefit society as a whole, despite income, contribution, or ability.

75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

Washington redskin stay out of the firewater

 

[Doc1]

Yeah, Stalin, Mao, Hitler. Anyone didn't want to do something, they sure weren't going to make them.

And even in Sweden, you're arguing that people who don't want to pay socialist taxes or who want to compete with State controlled monopolies are free to do that?

What a load of crap

Sweden does not employ a socialist system of production so it has no relevance to what I'm saying.

Sweden isn't socialist?

Approximately 90% of all resources and companies are privately owned, with a minority of 5% owned by the state and another 5% operating as either consumer or producer cooperatives.[18]
Economy of Sweden - Wikipedia

What more do you need to know?

Socialism isn't about who's name is on the title. If your car is parked in your neighbor's driveway and your neighbor has the key and drives it wherever they want while you need to get their permission where you want to go and get the key and return it when you're back, but you have the title. Who's car is it really? It isn't yours.

What you are describing is fascism where companies are technically in private hands but all decisions must be approved by government. It's called socialism light. Although it's not very light. The Nazis were the socialist workers party for a reason. They knew what they were.

In Sweden, you don't do shit government doesn't sign off on. They are just lucky that they have massive fuel reserves to fuel most of their socialist expenditures and not go bankrupt

So I said Sweden isn't a socialist state and you appear to be in agreement in that you think it is a fascist state. Which you then conflate with socialism.

You can't be reasoned with. You just make shit up as you go along.

Fundamentally, socialism is a system of producing commodities that distinguishes itself from the capitalist system by abolishing private ownership of the means of production.

Shifting control of the means of production to the state gets us no closer to socialism because the means are still privately held ie fascism.

And there is a reason fascism took hold in Europe around the time of WWI. It was a capitalist reaction to the socialist groundswell that was taking root. The same happened here, though it didn't require such extreme measures to contain.

Pretty much all of the "isms" have a fascist element in them. The difference that the more restrictive the "ism" becomes on the population at large the higher degree of fascism must be used. Eventually the end is always the same, Communism. The problem is every one of those systems has failed. I always find it funny that those advocating Socialism and or Communism deny the same disparity in income/living conditions that exist in Capitalism.

 

[jc456]

The truth of the matter is that it is a very broad term. It’s something that’s always been apart of the framework of this country yet Repubs like to pretend it is the antithesis of the Founding Father’s philosophy. Republicans have a hard time even defining the term in their OWN WORDS. That alone tells you they lack a basic understanding of the word.

Citation needed. It looks to me like you're considering infrastructure as Socialist, despite that being totally false, and debunked by me the last time we discussed it.

There’s really no need to cite anything. Any program funded by tax payers is socialism. You will figure that out if you look up the actual definition. Our defense budget, for example, is the biggest socialist institution in the world. Lol and of course our infrastructure is socialist. It’s funded by tax payers.

socialism is getting something for nothing provided by the government. it takes a village everyone taking care of everyone. hitlery's pipe dream from teh 90's. LOL

 

[Rustic]

The truth of the matter is that it is a very broad term. It’s something that’s always been apart of the framework of this country yet Repubs like to pretend it is the antithesis of the Founding Father’s philosophy. Republicans have a hard time even defining the term in their OWN WORDS. That alone tells you they lack a basic understanding of the word.

Most of those who vote for Republicans don't know the difference between an economic ideology and a political ideology.

Two sides of the same coin

 

[Rustic]

Citation needed. It looks to me like you're considering infrastructure as Socialist, despite that being totally false, and debunked by me the last time we discussed it.

There’s really no need to cite anything. Any program funded by tax payers is socialism. You will figure that out if you look up the actual definition. Our defense budget, for example, is the biggest socialist institution in the world. Lol and of course our infrastructure is socialist. It’s funded by tax payers.

Not even remotely, simply because Socialism is based on theft, that doesn't mean it's Socialism. Programs that the government creates aren't inherently Socialism, as it's government ownership of the means of production, which is private industry, which infrastructure is not.

Socialists only fool themselves into thinking infrastructure is Socialist so they can claim it's working, which is of course a joke.

Lol the word itself should give you the clue its about people. It’s people’s ownership of programs that they utilize. This is simply facilitated by the government though it’s funded by citizens.

No, it's not people's ownership, it's about government arbitrating those programs, that's why the big government people are the ones pitching it. The only people who truly believe it's about the people are the ones who haven't examined the ideal's history, and how it always ends with the Socialists claiming that the failed product was Fascism, Communism, or State Capitalism.

No matter how Socialism is packaged or branded, it's always about the government stealing the means of production from the people and doing with them as they see fit.

The problem with what you’re saying is that the rule of law is vital to the success of any government. No government - including the US - can be sustained without the rule of law. The government facilitates programs that are funded by and utilized by its citizens. That’s what socialism is. The only way this system works, is by the rule of law.

The federal government only works for the people when it is fearful of the people. That obviously is not happening

 

[Political Junky]

The truth of the matter is that it is a very broad term. It’s something that’s always been apart of the framework of this country yet Repubs like to pretend it is the antithesis of the Founding Father’s philosophy. Republicans have a hard time even defining the term in their OWN WORDS. That alone tells you they lack a basic understanding of the word.

Socialism is a con game that used to dupe people into working for others for free.

The Fascist Right has succeeded in duping people to take less money home while they, the rich, live better.

 

[Rustic]

The truth of the matter is that it is a very broad term. It’s something that’s always been apart of the framework of this country yet Repubs like to pretend it is the antithesis of the Founding Father’s philosophy. Republicans have a hard time even defining the term in their OWN WORDS. That alone tells you they lack a basic understanding of the word.

It is one of the buzz words con media uses as a substitute for 'evil monster'. The same as gay, woman, libruls, feminists, college professors...

The whole intent is to reduce any people or groups that oppose the radical right wing agenda as evil and 'other'. For the uneducated they reduce all of human discussion and conflict to us vs them. All of it. They didn't use to do this, up until about 20 years ago Republicans were normal Americans who had no trouble compromising with Democrats. But with the advent of conservative talk-radio and Fake Fox News they paint 'the other' as evil 24/7 until their audience actually believes there are no valid viewpoints other than the party line.

Democracy is built on compromise, without it democracy soon grows week and dies. The US democracy was intentionally created by the founders as a government of forced compromise because they knew after seeing centuries of history in Europe that some groups in all populations are militant and will easily resort to weapons to force their will on others.

When you hear cries of 'both sides do it' it is a false equivalency. Democrats have been forced to meet force with force as conservatives have gotten more and more unyielding and really want to encode all of their biases into law. They want zero compromise.

I think it time to split the country up and let the cons go have the south and build a wall around it so high no one ever needs to see or hear from them again. They'll be the American version of North Korea.

You’re spot on. Let me also add that the uneducated rightwing is purely emotional. They subscribe to what sounds good to their ears rather than accepting objectivity.

Name one area where progressives are willing to compromise… Times up you can’t.

 

[boedicca]

The truth of the matter is that it is a very broad term. It’s something that’s always been apart of the framework of this country yet Repubs like to pretend it is the antithesis of the Founding Father’s philosophy. Republicans have a hard time even defining the term in their OWN WORDS. That alone tells you they lack a basic understanding of the word.

Socialism is a con game that used to dupe people into working for others for free.

The Fascist Right has succeeded in duping people to take less money home while they, the rich, live better.

The Fascist Progs have destroyed the value of the dollar and drained people with excessive taxes.

 

[Rustic]

What's the point of working 3 jobs when you can collect welfare checks, ssi- checks, food stamps, free housing and free healthcare...
And all the benefits for lazy retards...
While most hard working folks are filling for bankruptcy and putting their homes on remortgage ?
America was not built by lazy socialists.

Socialism breeds laziness

 

[Rustic]

It's an oppressive economic construct that forcibly confiscates the property of some to give to others who didn't earn it. It's immoral and unethical and hardly surprising that you support it.

Why are the happiest people living in countries you call Socialist?

Happiness, do you even know what that means? LOL

 

[Doc1]

What's the point of working 3 jobs when you can collect welfare checks, ssi- checks, food stamps, free housing and free healthcare...
And all the benefits for lazy retards...
While most hard working folks are filling for bankruptcy and putting their homes on remortgage ?
America was not built by lazy socialists.

Socialism breeds laziness

Of course it does. Any system that mandates everyone (but the ruling elite) have the same shit nobody has any reason to work any harder than the laziest among them.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

It's an oppressive economic construct that forcibly confiscates the property of some to give to others who didn't earn it. It's immoral and unethical and hardly surprising that you support it.

Why are the happiest people living in countries you call Socialist?

Those countries are not Socialist.

 

[Rustic]

It's an oppressive economic construct that forcibly confiscates the property of some to give to others who didn't earn it. It's immoral and unethical and hardly surprising that you support it.

Why are the happiest people living in countries you call Socialist?

The countries you call the happiest are where everyone is white. Are you a fucking racist?

Obviously, you have no ability to think.

Obviously you like socialism, normal people do not

 

[Rustic]

The truth of the matter is that it is a very broad term. It’s something that’s always been apart of the framework of this country yet Repubs like to pretend it is the antithesis of the Founding Father’s philosophy. Republicans have a hard time even defining the term in their OWN WORDS. That alone tells you they lack a basic understanding of the word.

Socialism is when people get together, it's easier to kill people who are individual, it's easier to subjugate people who are individual, so they try and prevent people joining forces to become stronger.

The NRA is encouraged, but Unions are discouraged....

It's when people get together? So is the Klan socialist? Is the Nazi party socialist?

Neither is Socialist.

Nazi Party - Wikipedia

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Sure, that's why FDR got reelected 3 more times.

FDR got elected three more times because he gave people free shit. How did Chavez and Maduro keep getting elected in Venezuela despite people having to eat their pets to survive? Free shit....

Notice Trump said we need more people from countries like Finland? Basically a socialist country, and I don't think too many Fins want to come to a country like ours that has unaffordable health care and higher education.

Finland is not a Socialist country. It is very much a market based economy.

 

[impuretrash]

Sweden does not employ a socialist system of production so it has no relevance to what I'm saying.

Sweden isn't socialist?

Approximately 90% of all resources and companies are privately owned, with a minority of 5% owned by the state and another 5% operating as either consumer or producer cooperatives.[18]
Economy of Sweden - Wikipedia

What more do you need to know?

Socialism isn't about who's name is on the title. If your car is parked in your neighbor's driveway and your neighbor has the key and drives it wherever they want while you need to get their permission where you want to go and get the key and return it when you're back, but you have the title. Who's car is it really? It isn't yours.

What you are describing is fascism where companies are technically in private hands but all decisions must be approved by government. It's called socialism light. Although it's not very light. The Nazis were the socialist workers party for a reason. They knew what they were.

In Sweden, you don't do shit government doesn't sign off on. They are just lucky that they have massive fuel reserves to fuel most of their socialist expenditures and not go bankrupt

So I said Sweden isn't a socialist state and you appear to be in agreement in that you think it is a fascist state. Which you then conflate with socialism.

You can't be reasoned with. You just make shit up as you go along.

Fundamentally, socialism is a system of producing commodities that distinguishes itself from the capitalist system by abolishing private ownership of the means of production.

Shifting control of the means of production to the state gets us no closer to socialism because the means are still privately held ie fascism.

And there is a reason fascism took hold in Europe around the time of WWI. It was a capitalist reaction to the socialist groundswell that was taking root. The same happened here, though it didn't require such extreme measures to contain.

Pretty much all of the "isms" have a fascist element in them. The difference that the more restrictive the "ism" becomes on the population at large the higher degree of fascism must be used. Eventually the end is always the same, Communism. The problem is every one of those systems has failed. I always find it funny that those advocating Socialism and or Communism deny the same disparity in income/living conditions that exist in Capitalism.

Fascism is right wing authoritarianism and Communism is left wing authoritarianism.

 

[Rustic]

The truth of the matter is that it is a very broad term. It’s something that’s always been apart of the framework of this country yet Repubs like to pretend it is the antithesis of the Founding Father’s philosophy. Republicans have a hard time even defining the term in their OWN WORDS. That alone tells you they lack a basic understanding of the word.

Yep, Progressives have no sense of reality