Republicans Own Detroit Bankruptcy

[Pop23]

Of course, I never said that. I said that he got more popular votes over McCain than Reagan did over Carter.

But you're just a liar - that's what you do.

You tried to make a point while leaving out important information

You got called on it

Instead of admitting the omission you call names

Silly and sad

Where did I say Obama is a superior leader to Washington?

C'mon, liar - back up your bullshit.

Where did I say you ever said it?

Go ahead and find the quote and post it

You made an absurd comparison. An election held 28 years later after the first, with a larger population and more voters.

You then compared an election with only two major candidates and compared that with an election with 3 major candidates and tried to make an apples to apples conclusion when it is apples and oranges.

There was NO logic since you left out the candidate that garnered 5.7 million votes.

By doing so you opened the door and invited any other illogical conclusions to walk through.

But NO WHERE did I say that WAS YOUR conclusion.

You also made the claim that Carter lost to Reagan because he had a tough primary with Kennedy, while forgetting that Reagan had many more opponents and a slugfest with Bush before wrapping up the Republican Nominations before having to overcome a substantial lead by the incumbent AND a member of his own party running as an independent while still whipping the Incumbent.

Kennedy may have hurt Carter, but Reagan had substantial pain on his side too.

Carter lost because Carter failed the leadership test.

Plain and simple

 

[thereisnospoon]

I always get a good laugh when retards blame members of the minority party for the failure of the majority party to pass legislation which could have prevented the financial meltdown.

Here, on planet Earth, Republicans had no less than 3 bills that could have achieved that.

S.1508 (2003)
S.190 (2005)
H.R.1461 (2005)

All 3 died in the Republican-led Senate and not one was held up with a filibuster.

Sorry. Not going to pull that crap on me. During the 107th Congress, the Senate switched majorities three times before the end of the term in 2003. It held a Democratic majority in 2003. The House remained Republican throughout. No wonder the 2003 bill died. It died in a Democratically held Senate!

You're a fucking rightard, there's just no other way around it. Democrats control of the Senate ended on January 4th, 2003, 7 months before S.1508 was even introduced. To claim that bill died under Democrat control is announce to the world that you're not playing with a full deck.

In the 108th Congress, which ended in 2005, the Senate was held by Republicans, but only by a 51-49 margin. This means that the threat of a filibuster was always constant. Republicans did not have a filibuster proof majority in the senate. That explains why the two 2005 bills died.

S.190 was introduced in 2007 as S.1100, which again died in a Democratically held Senate during the 110th Congress. HR 1461 passed the house by a 331 to 90 margin in October of 2005 during the 109th Congress. The bill was referred to committee, and never touched again by the Senate. If anything, this is the only bill that could be passed off as the one Republicans let get away. So, again if anything Democrats had key roles in preventing legislation from passing, twice.

That's as idiotic as your statement above. Democrats did not block any of those bills. All three died because Republican leadership didn't want them. At least one of them was even bashed by Bush. So to blame Democrats is rightarded. And your nonsense that they wouldn't put it to a vote because they cowered in fear over a filibuster makes no sense. There were 61 filibusters during the 108th Congress. Clearly, Republicans had no qualms about putting legislation up for a vote even if they feared it would go nowhere. Hell, how many times have Republicans voted on repealing ObamaCare, knowing full well any such bill will go nowhere.

I know you worked hard to try and pin me with that one, but it was a futile effort. I love when people like you try to pin everything on the majority party, without first considering the political atmosphere in which the bills were introduced.

Have a seat.

Sure, the minority party can block legislation, but you can't blame the minority party for the policies that come out of Washington. And of course, we have Bush accepting the blame ...

"Thanks to our policies, home ownership in America is at an all-time high." ~ George Bush, 9.2.2004, RNC acceptance speech​

You cam here to defend Jimmy Carter's economic record?

 

[Antares]

But we're not talking about electoral votes, are we, Hagitha?

Intelligent people are...I mean that IS the way we elect Presidents...but I don't expect a grade school drop out to know that.

Thank you, Roo, for confirming AND calling Trajan and Redfish dumbasses!

(I made the font bigger and bolded it so you won't miss it. )

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/304460-republicans-own-detroit-bankruptcy-9.html#post7586897

2008

Obama: 365
McCain: 173


2012

Obama: 332
Romney: 206


Yup - landslides.

You should know better by now than to challenge me on facts, sport.

do you have access to the popular vote? if so, please post those numbers. neither election was a landslide, 2 or 3 states skewed the EC numbers. If CA, OH, PA and NY were not winner take all the result might have been different.

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Sorry kid, you've been bitch slapped by everyone in this thread and deflection won't save you.

 

[Stephanie]

It's interesting that conservatives love to argue that investors should pay lower tax rates than wage earners,

because supposedly the investors take more risk than wage earners,

and yet, in this bankruptcy, who's more likely to lose...

...the pensioners, not the bondholders.

If they weren't doling out such outrages pensions for the unions who did most of the jobs there at one time and if almost every damn Democrat who has run that city has been a corrupted crook, and a few have went to jail for it..You people need to take hard look at Detroit, because while you rave how you take care of the poor, women and children...you are going to run out of OTHER PEOPLES money to pay for all these handouts through the Federal government and we will end up like Detroit..

 

[blastoff]

It seems to me all the right wingers in this thread are missing the point. The original post suggests that it is hypocritical to blame Obama for the economy after he was in office only two years and inherited a seriously messed up economy from GW Bush's administration, while at the same time not blaming the current Republican administration in Detroit for an economy it has had for 2 years and inheritied from another administration. And, as well, blaming Obama for a poor economy when he not only inherited it from someone else, but has to struggle with an obstructionist Senate and Congress in order to get anything passed to help improve things, while at the same time, not blaming the Republican administration in Detroit for not fixing the problem even though they don't have to fight the current government there in order to get bills passed.

It seems again and again, the right wingers are unable to read or understand anything beyond the literal and that things have to be spelled out for your understanding like using alphabet blocks with pre-schoolers.

Next time you're in the grocery store stop by the produce section and spend a few minutes looking at the differences between apples and oranges, assuming you're able to spot any.

 

[thanatos144]

Amazing a stupid troll thread that the troll himself took off subject because he is full of shit.

 

[Big Black Dog]

The City of Detroit has been run entirely by Democrats for what seems like forever. How can you put this on the Republicans? Just another example of union thug corruption and failed Democratic leadership.

 

[thanatos144]

The City of Detroit has been run entirely by Democrats for what seems like forever. How can you put this on the Republicans? Just another example of union thug corruption and failed Democratic leadership.

he does it because he is a dishonest idiot.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The City of Detroit has been run entirely by Democrats for what seems like forever. How can you put this on the Republicans? Just another example of union thug corruption and failed Democratic leadership.

Synth's premise appeared to have been that since Obama is getting the blame for the current economy, Bush 43 and the GOP controlled House and Senate from 1995 thru 2005 must be responsible for the downfall of Detroit. Others have attempted to blame Reagan for the same thing.
The theory is anorexic. It's crap.
What this looks like is another instance where a dyed in the wool flaming lib has seen the abject failure of liberal/socialist policy has had to resort to deflections and finger pointing.

 

[Trajan]

It's interesting that conservatives love to argue that investors should pay lower tax rates than wage earners,

because supposedly the investors take more risk than wage earners,

and yet, in this bankruptcy, who's more likely to lose...

...the pensioners, not the bondholders.

what a crippled BS analogy- smoke screen.....

tell that to those folks who took a haircut ala GM.....

the bond holders, equity firms holding Detroit paper will take a haircut, thats already baked into the cake....ask the city manager. Not that I agree with that, first those wage earners got paid due to increases the political hacks squeezed from the remaining tax base, to buy their votes, from OTHER wage earners etc. hello, like a guy who owns a house/property appraised at 250K whose total property tax burden equals 16K.....the same owner in say DC, would owe less than 3K.

 

[Trajan]

In August 1980, Carter’s approval rating among Democrats was about equal to Obama’s current rating among Americans as a whole. That was due to Kennedy's challenge.

Carter was ahead until the last week or so, when, on Sunday morning, November 1, the Iranian parliament announced their conditions for freeing the American hostages. Carter abandoned campaigning that day, addressing the nation that night.


From Gallup:

trying to prove that Kennedy led to Carters loss, how again?

So to put a pin in this-

1980 reagan vs. carter

Popular vote 43,903,230 35,480,115 5,719,850
Percentage 50.8% 41.0% 6.6%


1976 carter vs. ford

Popular vote 40,831,881 39,148,634
Percentage 50.1% 48.0%


Carter got 4 million votes less than he did 4 years earlier, meanwhile, to connect to your strained corollary, Obama got 69,498,516 in 2008, in 2012, 65,899,660.

so, why did Carter drop 4 million votes and Obama drop 3.5 million? I can think of several reasons and a primary challenger means exactly- squat.

Hey Trajan - Roo just called you a dumbass.

And she's correct.

thats not answer, so, tell me why obama lost almost as many votes as carter?

or is it time to switch up again? The Detroit BS didn't work out to well, maybe , oh Millard Fillmores election?

 

[kaz]

The City of Detroit has been run entirely by Democrats for what seems like forever. How can you put this on the Republicans? Just another example of union thug corruption and failed Democratic leadership.

Because they are stupid. Merely partisan doesn't get you to this floor of the building.

 

[Antares]

I strongly doth protest, Roo is more of a man than Synth is!!!!!

 

[RKMBrown]

I strongly doth protest, Roo is more of a man than Synth is!!!!!

Barney is more of a man than Synth is.

 

[Antares]

I strongly doth protest, Roo is more of a man than Synth is!!!!!

Barney is more of a man than Synth is.

Allow me a moment to contemplate how to take this one.

 

[boedicca]

The City of Detroit has been run entirely by Democrats for what seems like forever. How can you put this on the Republicans? Just another example of union thug corruption and failed Democratic leadership.

Detroit hasn't had a GOP mayor in over 50 years....

 

[The T]

The City of Detroit has been run entirely by Democrats for what seems like forever. How can you put this on the Republicans? Just another example of union thug corruption and failed Democratic leadership.

Detroit hasn't had a GOP mayor in over 50 years....

Since 1961. The Democrats and the UNIONS own Detroit's downfall.

The OP of the thread is a moron and doesn't know the history.

 

[The T]

Two years into Obama's presidency, Right-wingers were saying it was now Obama's economy.

This means that two years into Rick Snyder's governorship, it is now his bankruptcy of Detroit.

The difference? Republican Rick Snyder has had a complete Republican majority in the State House and Senate, with no one to obstruct a thing.

Talk about dilluded logic? Whatever drugs you are on? Stay ON THEM. That way we can ID you for the buffoon you are.

 

[Robodoon]

Two years into Obama's presidency, Right-wingers were saying it was now Obama's economy.

This means that two years into Rick Snyder's governorship, it is now his bankruptcy of Detroit.

The difference? Republican Rick Snyder has had a complete Republican majority in the State House and Senate, with no one to obstruct a thing.

And How Gay are you?

We have only a one party system today, its called Destruction.

Do you study History, or just go with the MSM PC talking points.

You or we are not God, the truth is just one thing. NOT EVERYTHING.

Detroit is a leftist haven. Not a Conservative one.

But the Neo Cons have been busy, the Neo-Cons are also left or "Evil" there is no peace in them, just like the dems.

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH

 

[westwall]

The City of Detroit has been run entirely by Democrats for what seems like forever. How can you put this on the Republicans? Just another example of union thug corruption and failed Democratic leadership.

Detroit hasn't had a GOP mayor in over 50 years....

Since 1961. The Democrats and the UNIONS own Detroit's downfall.

The OP of the thread is a moron and doesn't know the history.

What do they say? Oh yeah, once a moron ALWAYS a moron...