Ron Paul Wins All of Maines delegates to the RNC in Tampa Romney wins ZERO

[The Rabbi]

It's not a deflection, you fool.

Your favored policy keeps the drug lords and street hoodlums in business, just like alcohol prohibition did...And that's the fact, Jack.

No it actually doesnt. That is more narco-libtard myth.
Lack of effective enforcement of draconian laws is what keeps them in business. That and consumer demand.

BWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

The only thing that has kept us from winning the fool "war" on (some) drugs is that we haven't thrown enough people into prison!!

Goddamn, you police state goons are a hoot!

So you're in favor of incarcerating people and that doesnt make you a police state goon. But if I suggest taking action against people who are violent and cause untold death and misery then I'm a police state goon? Btw, you narcos need a new vocabulary. This one is getting shopworn.

 

[The Rabbi]

The original statement I disagreed with is that it is no bodies business if someone decides to destroy themselves.

That is simply untrue for most people.

Who is going to stop them if they're committed to doing so?

Hemingway, Jim Morrison, Steve Howe....Nobody could stop them from destroying their lives.

The key word is "committed"

But at least you're admitting that there is collateral damage to society. That's one step.

 

[uscitizen]

The Maine republicans had their state convention in Florida???

 

[Charles_Main]

AUGUSTA — The second day of the Maine Republican State Convention is coming to an end, but the controversy continues.

Organizers at the Augusta Civic Center on Sunday said presidential candidate Ron Paul has won 22 state delegates that will go to the national GOP convention in Tampa, Fla., and fellow candidate Mitt Romney has won zero.

The results were based on voting Saturday night and Sunday.

But Paul's victory is likely to be challenged by the Romney campaign, which has dispatched its top lawyer, Benjamin Ginsberg, to Maine. Ginsberg was President George W. Bush's lawyer during the 2000 Florida recount.

Maine Republican Party Chairman Charlie Webster said this morning that the Romney campaign will contest the results and attempt to have them thrown out. The Romney campaign will argue that the vote didn’t take place in an open forum, Webster said

More : Ron Paul Wins All of Maines delegates to the RNC in Tampa Romney wins ZERO

wooo Hooo, Now exactly how is this going to change the over all equation?

Answer, Not in the slightest.

 

[Charles_Main]

The Maine republicans had their state convention in Florida???

Have you been to maine this time of Year? the Weather sucks, Winter doesn't end in them parts till July, Of course they held it in the Sunshine state, They are just like Michigan anyways, About half their population are Actually citizens of Florida for 6 months and 1 Day a year so they can enjoy no income tax.

LOL

 

[uscitizen]

Just like the rpeublicans to take their money out of state.
Give the Fl economy a boost and ignore their own state.

which brings up another point if you can afford two homes you do not need the interest exemption on the second one.

 

[Oddball]

The original statement I disagreed with is that it is no bodies business if someone decides to destroy themselves.

That is simply untrue for most people.

Who is going to stop them if they're committed to doing so?

Hemingway, Jim Morrison, Steve Howe....Nobody could stop them from destroying their lives.

The key word is "committed"

But at least you're admitting that there is collateral damage to society. That's one step.

I'm admitting that "collateral damage to society" is yet another completely nebulous and subjective liberoidal strawman.

Good job...Your application to the DNC is in the mail.

 

[Oddball]

No it actually doesnt. That is more narco-libtard myth.
Lack of effective enforcement of draconian laws is what keeps them in business. That and consumer demand.

BWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

The only thing that has kept us from winning the fool "war" on (some) drugs is that we haven't thrown enough people into prison!!

Goddamn, you police state goons are a hoot!

So you're in favor of incarcerating people and that doesnt make you a police state goon. But if I suggest taking action against people who are violent and cause untold death and misery then I'm a police state goon? Btw, you narcos need a new vocabulary. This one is getting shopworn.

Speaking of shopworn, your "solution" is the same one that liberoidals give us for every one of the world's ills.

More bureaucracy, more laws, more regulations, more taxation, more bureaucrats (or in this case cops and prison guards) and less freedom for the serfs.

Can we fax or e-mail you that application to the DNC?

 

[LibertyForAll]

It looks like Rabbi went to the Sniperfire school of libertarian philosophy.

A constitution that guarantees the rights of then individual is a protection against totalitarianism. A government that would allow personal liberty to be subverted to the will of the majority is by definition totalitarian in nature.

When you violate someone else rights you should lose yours.
When you assault someone you are violating their rights and would lose your rights.

The government should not allow a majority to pass a law that would steal my money and give it to others in the form of welfare, any more that it can pass a law that says a religion must provide birth control. They also should not be able to decide what I do with my own body. If I want to die I should be allowed to. If I want to do drugs I should be allowed to. I should also be responsible for the consequences of those actions. If family members are being adversely affected then they can pressure me to stop and encourage me to get help just like now. No one is claiming that making drugs legal will solve all of societies ills. Driving while intoxicated will still be illegal, selling drugs to kids would be illegal.

The argument that libertarians are against zoning laws is ridiculous as well. I have small kids and I don't want a liquor store or porn store next their school. Kids should have rights too and they should be protected. There is a way to compromise and allow certain businesses to have their rights and allow for the protection of children too. One of these ways is zoning laws.

Prostitution is a good example. Making it legal with a permit would allow for some regulation of it to the benefit of all. You could make it illegal in the streets and legal in brothel then have the placement of the brothel subject to approval from a zoning board. I think most libertarians would see this as a good compromise and giant leap in the right direction. Maybe I am wrong in that but personally I think some regulation is necessary to protect the rights of individuals. Nobody wants a toxic waste dump next to the cities water supply. We just have to be smart and work together and try to find a way for everyone to win.

 

[Dick Tuck]

Does this mean that the Paul whackos are going to run amok at the GOP Convention???? LMAO.

 

[Dick Tuck]

BWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

The only thing that has kept us from winning the fool "war" on (some) drugs is that we haven't thrown enough people into prison!!

Goddamn, you police state goons are a hoot!

So you're in favor of incarcerating people and that doesnt make you a police state goon. But if I suggest taking action against people who are violent and cause untold death and misery then I'm a police state goon? Btw, you narcos need a new vocabulary. This one is getting shopworn.

Speaking of shopworn, your "solution" is the same one that liberoidals give us for every one of the world's ills.

More bureaucracy, more laws, more regulations, more taxation, more bureaucrats (or in this case cops and prison guards) and less freedom for the serfs.

Can we fax or e-mail you that application to the DNC?

How many marijuana users are in prison? How many marijuana users OD'ed? How many people did people kill because they smoked some bud?

Replace marijuana with alcohol and ask yourself the same questions.

 

[FA_Q2]

Point me to the #2 folks.

Paul is definitely the real conservative in the race. Unless you got your "conservative" philosophy in the last 20 years.

Legalizing dope and welshing on our treaties isn't conservative, s0n.

It is far more conservative than your brand of forcing people to believe and live as you do. You want to dictate what people can and cannot do - a naturally big government and less freedom point of view. I have to ask, what do you actually think the cornerstone of conservatism is? I see it as freedom which requires smaller government. What are you basing your brand of conservatism on?

Being a totalitarian is the same as being a social conservative.

That is ridiculous, as are most all of your lame takes.

Social conservatives respect the law of the land, which a Libertarian system of totalitarian rules could never do, because once the will of the people would be exercised at the ballot box to create new law of the land which disagrees with you, it would create a crack in the damn collapsing the whole thing.

And you couldn't have that, could you?

Liberarianism is nothing more than mental masturbation as it could never operate in the real world.

This nation was founded on those ideals - the ideal of freedom. Somehow I fail to see how such a system cannot exist. Libertarians are the exact opposite of totalitarian by the way. Totalitarian regimes require little to no freedom to exist, like social conservatives want, not libertarians. Tell me, how can you connect libertarians with totalitarianism when libertarians believe so completely in personal freedom.

There is certainly a difference between 'social conservative' and 'totalitarian', as I have demonstrated.

You certainly did not demonstrate. You stated it as fact without anything to back it up and then went on to say that social conservatives have a respect for the law. How is that contrary to totalitarianism? A little fact for you, totalitarian regimes have lots of law. That is the one thing they are not lacking in. What they do lack is personal freedom...

If that's what they wanted, that's what they should get as long as it's constitutional.

So people can vote to make prostitution and drug use illegal in your Libertarian world?

bump. I am sure 'Dr. Drock' accidently overlooked this.

Here is a hit for you - such things do not exist if there are no customers for them! I guess you would rather force people to not patronize these businesses by taking such things away even if they have no impact on you. Why are you against such freedoms? As already expressed, zoning protects against the straw man argument of hiding behind the children. Care to actually address why you have the right to put people in jail for charging for something that is perfectly legal to give away for free?????


Another little detail too - prostitution and drugs are both VERY alive and well in this country today. The only thing illegalizing them has accomplished is creating black market violence and an unregulated product. Good job!

It's not a deflection, you fool.

Your favored policy keeps the drug lords and street hoodlums in business, just like alcohol prohibition did...And that's the fact, Jack.

No it actually doesnt. That is more narco-libtard myth.
Lack of effective enforcement of draconian laws is what keeps them in business. That and consumer demand.
And it is a deflection. You have deflected from the idea of people being able to destroy their lives at will with no cost to society.

Enfocement has nothing to do with it. It is compleatly driven by consumer demand, a demant that you can do NOTHING about no matter what laws you wrote. Then you make statemetns like this:

So we don't need any laws at all? We dont need laws against rape because people really don't rape other people. Or laws against fraud because people really dont commit fraud.

That show you compleatly miss the point. Ill try and slog through this and hope that you actually do want to engage on this topic.

Laws against rape, murder ect. exist because they infringe on other rights. Period. They have a victim. Drug use on the other hand infringe on no one's rights. There is no victim other than yourself. I do not need to be protected from myself and it is infringing on my rights to do so. Who is the victim that you are protecting me from with drug laws? Society itself? That is asinine. Such laws do nothing to help the problem in the first place.


This has already been proven with prohibition. What is the difference from alcohol and pot? Give me ONE, JUST ONE, thing that pot does that is more damaging than alcohol? Do you feel that alcohol should be illegal? If not, how do you rationalize position against drugs with your support for legalized alcohol?


We tried illegalizing alcohol and we ended up with exactly the same thing as we have now with drugs. The solution is NOT illegalization but rather regulation. Just like alcohol.

 

[FA_Q2]

RP is not going to win anything as the establishment is simply not going to allow it.

Then every conservative that believes in a democratic process should leave the GOP ASAP.

Why waste ones time in a party controled by a small kabal of trotskyites?

Really? So they should abandon the party because the establishment would stop RP from stealing the election and usurping the DEMOCRATIC vote through poorly established election rules? Your really missed what is actually going on here...

They should abandon the party because it has been taken over by elitist big government idiots that want to cater to special interests but that has nothing to do with what RP is doing. The establishment won't allow RP to take the election precisely because he is demolished by the democratic process. Fortunately for RP, delegates are not necessarily bound to the democratic process and that is what RP is banking on.

I agree with RP, I do not agree with what he is doing to take the nomination though I do wish him luck. I can almost guarantee this is the last election where this will even be remotely possible.

 

[FA_Q2]

No, that is not OK either; why would it be?

I do have a grip; at least I realize that there are people who love me and would be sorely injured if I died before my life's duty was done.

Completely beside the point. The point was that those people do not have the right to take YOUR right to do so away. You might hurt those that are close to you by leaving them but that does not factor into taking your right away to do so.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The original statement I disagreed with is that it is no bodies business if someone decides to destroy themselves.

That is simply untrue for most people.

Who is going to stop them if they're committed to doing so?

People intervene into the lives of loved ones in a self-destructive feed-bac k loop all the time.

Doesnt always work, but if you truly love them you would take a shot at it just for one chance in a hundred.

Hemingway, Jim Morrison, Steve Howe....Nobody could stop them from destroying their lives.

Not true; Hemingway, Jim Morrison, Steve Howe could.

 

[JimBowie1958]

What makes what nonviolent acts that may happen in my home or amongst other consenting adults your business?

It wasnt qualified that it was in your home. Most prostitution takes place on public property and destroys home values as a crime/vice plague as fe want to live around that kind of shit.

They don't have such problems in Nevada.

Well, that maybe true, but then again, the real estate bubble is hard to match when it comes to property value destruction, lol.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Because it wasn't a stoner society.

So you admit that these drugs can be totally legal and not have a stoner society?

Laws began to be enacted once these things became problems. ... But even then prohibition came later.

No, yo uhave it backwards.

The do-gooder niave laws were passed first to rid us of the drug problem, and then the drug problem began getting increasingly worse with each generation.

So laws were passed because there was no problem?
Um, are YOU on drugs?

Rabbi, is that what I stated?

Be honest with yourself for once and stop the rhetorical bullshit.

Do you honestly read what I said to be that there was no problem?

Your answer really shows what kind of person you are as what I actually said is readily apparent to anyone who can read at a 5th grade level.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The Maine republicans had their state convention in Florida???

If you could, wouldnt you? Especially if you lived in Maine?

 

[JimBowie1958]

Who is going to stop them if they're committed to doing so?

Hemingway, Jim Morrison, Steve Howe....Nobody could stop them from destroying their lives.

The key word is "committed"

But at least you're admitting that there is collateral damage to society. That's one step.

I'm admitting that "collateral damage to society" is yet another completely nebulous and subjective liberoidal strawman.

Good job...Your application to the DNC is in the mail.

Trotskyite neocons were run out of the Democratic Party by the neoMarxists that took over.

Why would they try to go back when they can lie their way into influence among niave conservatives in the GOP?

 

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