Roosevelt....the Un-Reagan

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What did Ronnie do during the war?

 

[rightwinger]

FDR saved Western Europe
Stalin conquered Eastern Europe. Nothing short of declaring war on the USSR was going to dislodge them

To get his part of Europe, FDR lost about 200,000 Americans
To get his part of Europe, Stalin lost about 20 million Russians

Looks like FDR got the better part of the deal

Stalin didn't spend 20 million to get his part of Eastern Europe. He was invaded.

Please don't be such a liar.

You'd figure that with so many losses, he be spent. Which he was.

FDR and Churchhill caved on the Eastern Europe.

I am sure the people of East Berlin felt that FDR got the better part of the deal.

Can you be any more stupid ?

Eastern Europe was not a bargaining chip. It was occupied by the Red Army
The part of the deal FDR got was West Berlin right in the middle of occupied East Germany

You are right.....Roosevelt didn't bargain or try to force him out.

No threats...no nothing.

Rolled over and caved.

Eastern Europe really flourished under Stalin.

There was nothing to bargain

You were not going to remove the Red Army from territory they fought and died for

What were you going to offer Stalin to get his troops out of Eastern Europe?

Uh...not cramming a hydrogen bomb up his ass.

Not to good at this....are you.

Neither was FDR.

The major rollover and cave guy.

That's where you guys always go off the deep end
Your response to every situation is ...Nuke em

First of all .....FDR did not have a working atomic bomb when he negotiated with Stalin

Second, if the U.S. Resorted to nuclear devastation to take over the USSR....we would have been considered worse than Stalin

Third, the USSR folded on its own 45 years later without violence

 

[rightwinger]

Yes, I think we've pretty much established that Roosevelt was a gutless wonder.

Gutless enough to turn us into a military and economic superpower

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Stalin didn't spend 20 million to get his part of Eastern Europe. He was invaded.

Please don't be such a liar.

You'd figure that with so many losses, he be spent. Which he was.

FDR and Churchhill caved on the Eastern Europe.

I am sure the people of East Berlin felt that FDR got the better part of the deal.

Can you be any more stupid ?

Eastern Europe was not a bargaining chip. It was occupied by the Red Army
The part of the deal FDR got was West Berlin right in the middle of occupied East Germany

You are right.....Roosevelt didn't bargain or try to force him out.

No threats...no nothing.

Rolled over and caved.

Eastern Europe really flourished under Stalin.

There was nothing to bargain

You were not going to remove the Red Army from territory they fought and died for

What were you going to offer Stalin to get his troops out of Eastern Europe?

Uh...not cramming a hydrogen bomb up his ass.

Not to good at this....are you.

Neither was FDR.

The major rollover and cave guy.

That's where you guys always go off the deep end
Your response to every situation is ...Nuke em

First of all .....FDR did not have a working atomic bomb when he negotiated with Stalin

Second, if the U.S. Resorted to nuclear devastation to take over the USSR....we would have been considered worse than Stalin

Third, the USSR folded on its own 45 years later without violence

1. Once he had it, he could have "re-opened" negotiations.
2. You have no idea of what you talk about. Stalin essentially took over half of Europe. Tell me again why we went to war with Germany. I would not have felt bad in that situation. The left and right are all talk. As you are prone to say "I've got mine...screw the rest of you.". Liberty is great as long as you've got it....who cares.
3. 45 years of tyranny and mass murder....."I've got mine.....you'll get over it.".

Who are "you guys". You have no idea of who I am. I am certainly not a far right wing disciple.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Reagan was no FDR

Reagan: Mr Gorbachev....please tear down this wall

FDR kicked the fucking wall down

Actually he helped create the wall.

You might want to make sure your history is aligned.

I don't dislike FDR like some. I just don't believe he was as great as some make him out to be. Of course, I accord Ronald Reagan the same thing.

Considering their circumstances, they both did O.K.

If Reagan had been in office during WWII, he might have cut lose the army on Russia. Which would have been a disaster.

If Roosevelt had been in office during the 1980's, we might not have recovered like we did.

We'll never know.

FDR saved Western Europe
Stalin conquered Eastern Europe. Nothing short of declaring war on the USSR was going to dislodge them

To get his part of Europe, FDR lost about 200,000 Americans
To get his part of Europe, Stalin lost about 20 million Russians

Looks like FDR got the better part of the deal

Total nonsense by an FDR boot-licker.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Yes, I think we've pretty much established that Roosevelt was a gutless wonder.

Gutless enough to turn us into a military and economic superpower

ROTFLMAO

He sank our Pacific Fleet.

That was one his better accomplishments.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

What did Ronnie do during the war?

Who cares....?

Ronnie wasn't as GREAT as some people make him out to be.

But he was a whole lot better than FDR when it came to the basics.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The media brought down the Nixon administration over a second rate burglary that was common in FDR, Truman, JFK and LBJ's time. Imagine what the media could have done to the FDR administration if they weren't in the tank for democrats.

Yep- from the viewpoint of Conservatives like yourself- a 'diligent' media would have prevented FDR from leading the United States to victory over Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.

Would have prevented Americans from the horrors of Social Security.
Would have prevented Americans from the indignity of unemployment checks
Would have allowed bank runs to thrive as Americans lost faith in banks without depositers insurance.
Would have allowed the farmers to be run out of business

Oh how the Conservatives hate FDR for protecting Americans.

FDR led the United States to war. Harry Truman led the United States to the twisted semblance of victory. FDR promised to end the mild recession in 1932 and under his leadership the recession turned into a man killing bodies in the ditch soup line depression for his next two terms.. The federal government has been running farmers out of business since FDR created the alphabet federal schemes that were designed to make the DNC rich.The Media forced Nixon to resign but in retrospect a 2nd rate burglary doesn't come close to comparing the Constitutional insult of the the incarceration of American citizens without due process.

Oh what bitter Conservative revisionist history.

FDR prepared the United States for war, as the world went up in flames- with Germany, Italy, Japan and the Soviet Union were all trying to carve it up.

And when the United States was attacked by Imperial Japan- and when Hitler and Mussolini declared war on the United States- FDR led the United States to victory.

And you are still pissed off about that.

And FDR took the United States from the crushing 25% unemployment in the first year of his presidency to 9% in 1941.

And you are still pissed off about that.

You are still pissed off that FDR was for Americans

FDR had eight years to access the potential enemies of the U.S. but amazingly there was no national intelligence agency. The book "in the garden of the beasts" illustrates the FDR administration's unique ability to underestimate the Nazi threat for his first two terms. The FDR administration's racist based "intelligence" of Japan's threat defies understanding. FDR never prepared the US for war but war was the only thing that could recover the administration in it's 3rd term.

"...the FDR administration's unique ability to underestimate the Nazi threat for his first two terms."

Threat???

FDR was on excellent terms with both Hitler and Stalin.....and Mussolini.

He was a junior class dictator, and wanted to join the 'big boys.'

War took him by surprise.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

and proudly noted during his 1988 campaign for president that he had threatened to “go public” with covert action plans by the Reagan administration, causing them to cancel the operations."
Congressional Oversight and the Crippling of the CIA.

What?

A Senator threatened to go public if President Reagan and the CIA took part in illegal covert actions?

Democrat Liberals have regularly been traitors to America.

1. [Democrat] Senator Pat Leahy was annoyed with the Reagan administration's war on terrorism in the 1980s. At the time he was vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. ....disclosed a top-secret communications intercept ...Leahy leaked secret information about a 1986 covert operation planned by the Reagan administration ...had to resign his Intelligence Committee post after he was caught leaking secret information ....
American Chronicle | Sen. Leahy to FBI Director: Give Me Secret Information

2. In 1983, [Democrat] Sen. Edward M. Kennedy offered to help the Soviets mount a public-relations offensive in the United States. Ted Kennedy sides with Soviets. Traitor [Archive] - Georgia Outdoor News Forum

3. Freeh: "Unfortunately, the [Clinton] White House was unable or unwilling to help the FBI gain access to these critical witnesses. The only direction from the Clinton administration regarding Iran was to order the FBI to stop photographing and fingerprinting official Iranian delegations entering the U.S. because it was adversely impacting our "relationship" with Tehran. "

BTW, Freeh: "I finally turned to the former President Bush, who immediately interceded with Crown Prince Abdullah on the FBI's behalf. Mr. Bush personally asked the Saudis to let the FBI do one-on-one interviews of the detained Khobar bombers. The Saudis immediately acceded."
Remember Khobar Towers by Louis J. Freeh
Michelle Malkin » KHOBAR TOWERS: 10 YEARS LATER



4. Here at home, the Obama administration has gravely impaired our capability to gather human intelligence by declassifying hundreds of pages of documents that explain our interrogation techniques—information that is now probably in al-Qaeda training manuals. https://www.hillsdale.edu/news/impri...=2009&month=10

Liberals formed this country. The conservatives were fighting against Liberals and along side the British.

Pick up a history book and stop sourcing Alex Jones wannbees.

Liberals fight for liberty and self determination? You're a blithering idiot

Actually they do.

The problem here is that you are confusing the far left with liberals.

True liberals hate the far left (and the far right).

It's all about a public relations game used to push an agenda that restricts us in our liberties.

True liberals cherish liberty. It's the far left that hates it.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

and proudly noted during his 1988 campaign for president that he had threatened to “go public” with covert action plans by the Reagan administration, causing them to cancel the operations."
Congressional Oversight and the Crippling of the CIA.

What?

A Senator threatened to go public if President Reagan and the CIA took part in illegal covert actions?

Democrat Liberals have regularly been traitors to America.

1. [Democrat] Senator Pat Leahy was annoyed with the Reagan administration's war on terrorism in the 1980s. At the time he was vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. ....disclosed a top-secret communications intercept ...Leahy leaked secret information about a 1986 covert operation planned by the Reagan administration ...had to resign his Intelligence Committee post after he was caught leaking secret information ....
American Chronicle | Sen. Leahy to FBI Director: Give Me Secret Information

2. In 1983, [Democrat] Sen. Edward M. Kennedy offered to help the Soviets mount a public-relations offensive in the United States. Ted Kennedy sides with Soviets. Traitor [Archive] - Georgia Outdoor News Forum

3. Freeh: "Unfortunately, the [Clinton] White House was unable or unwilling to help the FBI gain access to these critical witnesses. The only direction from the Clinton administration regarding Iran was to order the FBI to stop photographing and fingerprinting official Iranian delegations entering the U.S. because it was adversely impacting our "relationship" with Tehran. "

BTW, Freeh: "I finally turned to the former President Bush, who immediately interceded with Crown Prince Abdullah on the FBI's behalf. Mr. Bush personally asked the Saudis to let the FBI do one-on-one interviews of the detained Khobar bombers. The Saudis immediately acceded."
Remember Khobar Towers by Louis J. Freeh
Michelle Malkin » KHOBAR TOWERS: 10 YEARS LATER



4. Here at home, the Obama administration has gravely impaired our capability to gather human intelligence by declassifying hundreds of pages of documents that explain our interrogation techniques—information that is now probably in al-Qaeda training manuals. https://www.hillsdale.edu/news/impri...=2009&month=10

Liberals formed this country. The conservatives were fighting against Liberals and along side the British.

Pick up a history book and stop sourcing Alex Jones wannbees.

The liberals who "formed this country" spent a lot of time trying to reconcile with the British. They only went to war when there was no other hope. They all didn't come across at the same time.

So, they were conservatives before they were liberals.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The media brought down the Nixon administration over a second rate burglary that was common in FDR, Truman, JFK and LBJ's time. Imagine what the media could have done to the FDR administration if they weren't in the tank for democrats.

Yep- from the viewpoint of Conservatives like yourself- a 'diligent' media would have prevented FDR from leading the United States to victory over Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.

Would have prevented Americans from the horrors of Social Security.
Would have prevented Americans from the indignity of unemployment checks
Would have allowed bank runs to thrive as Americans lost faith in banks without depositers insurance.
Would have allowed the farmers to be run out of business

Oh how the Conservatives hate FDR for protecting Americans.

FDR led the United States to war. Harry Truman led the United States to the twisted semblance of victory. FDR promised to end the mild recession in 1932 and under his leadership the recession turned into a man killing bodies in the ditch soup line depression for his next two terms.. The federal government has been running farmers out of business since FDR created the alphabet federal schemes that were designed to make the DNC rich.The Media forced Nixon to resign but in retrospect a 2nd rate burglary doesn't come close to comparing the Constitutional insult of the the incarceration of American citizens without due process.

Oh what bitter Conservative revisionist history.

FDR prepared the United States for war, as the world went up in flames- with Germany, Italy, Japan and the Soviet Union were all trying to carve it up.

And when the United States was attacked by Imperial Japan- and when Hitler and Mussolini declared war on the United States- FDR led the United States to victory.

And you are still pissed off about that.

And FDR took the United States from the crushing 25% unemployment in the first year of his presidency to 9% in 1941.

And you are still pissed off about that.

You are still pissed off that FDR was for Americans

So hard to ascertain whether you are more the fool or more the liar.

"FDR prepared the United States for war,..."

Of course he did no such thing.

1. FDR did very little for the Army either with its size or weapons and during the 1930s, his defense budgets were cut to the bone. To quote George Marshall's words to FDR in May 1940: "If you don't do something...and do it right away, I don't know what is going to happen to this country". FDR had underestimated the Japanese and the Pearl Harbor attack devastated the American Navy and exposed the president's incompetence.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The media brought down the Nixon administration over a second rate burglary that was common in FDR, Truman, JFK and LBJ's time. Imagine what the media could have done to the FDR administration if they weren't in the tank for democrats.

Yep- from the viewpoint of Conservatives like yourself- a 'diligent' media would have prevented FDR from leading the United States to victory over Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.

Would have prevented Americans from the horrors of Social Security.
Would have prevented Americans from the indignity of unemployment checks
Would have allowed bank runs to thrive as Americans lost faith in banks without depositers insurance.
Would have allowed the farmers to be run out of business

Oh how the Conservatives hate FDR for protecting Americans.

FDR led the United States to war. Harry Truman led the United States to the twisted semblance of victory. FDR promised to end the mild recession in 1932 and under his leadership the recession turned into a man killing bodies in the ditch soup line depression for his next two terms.. The federal government has been running farmers out of business since FDR created the alphabet federal schemes that were designed to make the DNC rich.The Media forced Nixon to resign but in retrospect a 2nd rate burglary doesn't come close to comparing the Constitutional insult of the the incarceration of American citizens without due process.

"Mild recession"? What total nonsense and dishonesty. Look up Great Depression and every scholarly and academic account has it beginning with the market crash of 1929. As another poster has pointed out, the unemployment was up to 25% when FDR came into the Presidency four years after the market crash and the Depression was in full swing. Notice the FDR critics always leave out a little piece of information about a thing called the Dust Bowl. They play like the Dust Bowl storms that destroyed the agriculture industry in vast stretches of America never happened. Those who look up the Dust Bowl will quickly understand how dishonest the attacks on FDR are. The nation had to deal with a series of natural disasters during the entire time of FDR's Presidency.

Another FDR boot-licker.


America’s greatest depression fighter was Warren Gamaliel Harding. An Ohio senator when he was elected president in 1920, he followed Woodrow Wilson who got America into World War I, .

..Harding inherited the mess, in particular the post-World War I depression – almost as severe, from peak to trough, as the Great Contraction from 1929 to 1933, that FDR inherited and prolonged.

Richard K. Vedder and Lowell E. Gallaway, in their book Out of Work (1993), noted that the magnitude of the 1920 depression "exceeded that for the Great Depression of the following decade for several quarters." The estimated gross national product plunged 24% from $91.5 billion in 1920 to $69.6 billion in 1921. The number of unemployed people jumped from 2.1 million in 1920 to 4.9 million in 1921.
America’s Greatest Depression*Fighter by Jim Powell

http://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig4/powell-jim4.html

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/226645/not-so-great-depression/jim-powell

 

[PoliticalChic]

and proudly noted during his 1988 campaign for president that he had threatened to “go public” with covert action plans by the Reagan administration, causing them to cancel the operations."
Congressional Oversight and the Crippling of the CIA.

What?

A Senator threatened to go public if President Reagan and the CIA took part in illegal covert actions?

Democrat Liberals have regularly been traitors to America.

1. [Democrat] Senator Pat Leahy was annoyed with the Reagan administration's war on terrorism in the 1980s. At the time he was vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. ....disclosed a top-secret communications intercept ...Leahy leaked secret information about a 1986 covert operation planned by the Reagan administration ...had to resign his Intelligence Committee post after he was caught leaking secret information ....
American Chronicle | Sen. Leahy to FBI Director: Give Me Secret Information

2. In 1983, [Democrat] Sen. Edward M. Kennedy offered to help the Soviets mount a public-relations offensive in the United States. Ted Kennedy sides with Soviets. Traitor [Archive] - Georgia Outdoor News Forum

3. Freeh: "Unfortunately, the [Clinton] White House was unable or unwilling to help the FBI gain access to these critical witnesses. The only direction from the Clinton administration regarding Iran was to order the FBI to stop photographing and fingerprinting official Iranian delegations entering the U.S. because it was adversely impacting our "relationship" with Tehran. "

BTW, Freeh: "I finally turned to the former President Bush, who immediately interceded with Crown Prince Abdullah on the FBI's behalf. Mr. Bush personally asked the Saudis to let the FBI do one-on-one interviews of the detained Khobar bombers. The Saudis immediately acceded."
Remember Khobar Towers by Louis J. Freeh
Michelle Malkin » KHOBAR TOWERS: 10 YEARS LATER



4. Here at home, the Obama administration has gravely impaired our capability to gather human intelligence by declassifying hundreds of pages of documents that explain our interrogation techniques—information that is now probably in al-Qaeda training manuals. https://www.hillsdale.edu/news/impri...=2009&month=10

Liberals formed this country. The conservatives were fighting against Liberals and along side the British.

Pick up a history book and stop sourcing Alex Jones wannbees.

I love it when I reduce you to that worn out lie.


The Socialist Party changed its name to "liberal" at the behest of John Dewey.
The modern Liberal, you, are the scions of that socialist party.


Now....the Founders, they were Classical Liberals....known today as conservatives.

Their fundamental ideas were based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.



No socialists, communists, Nazis, Liberals, fascists, nor Progressives can make that claim.



Now, write soon, y'hear.

 

[PoliticalChic]

and proudly noted during his 1988 campaign for president that he had threatened to “go public” with covert action plans by the Reagan administration, causing them to cancel the operations."
Congressional Oversight and the Crippling of the CIA.

What?

A Senator threatened to go public if President Reagan and the CIA took part in illegal covert actions?

Democrat Liberals have regularly been traitors to America.

1. [Democrat] Senator Pat Leahy was annoyed with the Reagan administration's war on terrorism in the 1980s. At the time he was vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. ....disclosed a top-secret communications intercept ...Leahy leaked secret information about a 1986 covert operation planned by the Reagan administration ...had to resign his Intelligence Committee post after he was caught leaking secret information ....
American Chronicle | Sen. Leahy to FBI Director: Give Me Secret Information

2. In 1983, [Democrat] Sen. Edward M. Kennedy offered to help the Soviets mount a public-relations offensive in the United States. Ted Kennedy sides with Soviets. Traitor [Archive] - Georgia Outdoor News Forum

3. Freeh: "Unfortunately, the [Clinton] White House was unable or unwilling to help the FBI gain access to these critical witnesses. The only direction from the Clinton administration regarding Iran was to order the FBI to stop photographing and fingerprinting official Iranian delegations entering the U.S. because it was adversely impacting our "relationship" with Tehran. "

BTW, Freeh: "I finally turned to the former President Bush, who immediately interceded with Crown Prince Abdullah on the FBI's behalf. Mr. Bush personally asked the Saudis to let the FBI do one-on-one interviews of the detained Khobar bombers. The Saudis immediately acceded."
Remember Khobar Towers by Louis J. Freeh
Michelle Malkin » KHOBAR TOWERS: 10 YEARS LATER



4. Here at home, the Obama administration has gravely impaired our capability to gather human intelligence by declassifying hundreds of pages of documents that explain our interrogation techniques—information that is now probably in al-Qaeda training manuals. https://www.hillsdale.edu/news/impri...=2009&month=10

Liberals formed this country. The conservatives were fighting against Liberals and along side the British.

Pick up a history book and stop sourcing Alex Jones wannbees.

Liberals fight for liberty and self determination? You're a blithering idiot

Say's the biggest blithering idiot on the board, Jroc.

By the way, Anne Coulter still holding out for you to come to Jesus.

He nailed you, didn't he.

 

[rightwinger]

Eastern Europe was not a bargaining chip. It was occupied by the Red Army
The part of the deal FDR got was West Berlin right in the middle of occupied East Germany

You are right.....Roosevelt didn't bargain or try to force him out.

No threats...no nothing.

Rolled over and caved.

Eastern Europe really flourished under Stalin.

There was nothing to bargain

You were not going to remove the Red Army from territory they fought and died for

What were you going to offer Stalin to get his troops out of Eastern Europe?

Uh...not cramming a hydrogen bomb up his ass.

Not to good at this....are you.

Neither was FDR.

The major rollover and cave guy.

That's where you guys always go off the deep end
Your response to every situation is ...Nuke em

First of all .....FDR did not have a working atomic bomb when he negotiated with Stalin

Second, if the U.S. Resorted to nuclear devastation to take over the USSR....we would have been considered worse than Stalin

Third, the USSR folded on its own 45 years later without violence

1. Once he had it, he could have "re-opened" negotiations.
2. You have no idea of what you talk about. Stalin essentially took over half of Europe. Tell me again why we went to war with Germany. I would not have felt bad in that situation. The left and right are all talk. As you are prone to say "I've got mine...screw the rest of you.". Liberty is great as long as you've got it....who cares.
3. 45 years of tyranny and mass murder....."I've got mine.....you'll get over it.".

Who are "you guys". You have no idea of who I am. I am certainly not a far right wing disciple.

Revisionist history for global domination is fun isn't it?

1. FDR died in April 1945. The bomb wasn't tested till July 1945 with Hiroshima in August. FDR couldn't negotiate anything and by August 1945, Europe was already divided and America would not have tolerated extending the war against a former ally

2 Stalin "took over" half of Europe at the cost of 20 million deaths. We "took over " the other half at a cost of around 200,000 deaths.....looks like we got the better deal

3. 45 years of Cold War is preferable to starting a nuclear war

 

[rightwinger]

Reagan was no FDR

Reagan: Mr Gorbachev....please tear down this wall

FDR kicked the fucking wall down

Actually he helped create the wall.

You might want to make sure your history is aligned.

I don't dislike FDR like some. I just don't believe he was as great as some make him out to be. Of course, I accord Ronald Reagan the same thing.

Considering their circumstances, they both did O.K.

If Reagan had been in office during WWII, he might have cut lose the army on Russia. Which would have been a disaster.

If Roosevelt had been in office during the 1980's, we might not have recovered like we did.

We'll never know.

FDR saved Western Europe
Stalin conquered Eastern Europe. Nothing short of declaring war on the USSR was going to dislodge them

To get his part of Europe, FDR lost about 200,000 Americans
To get his part of Europe, Stalin lost about 20 million Russians

Looks like FDR got the better part of the deal

Total nonsense by an FDR boot-licker.

It's a shame that you are unable to contribute anything of value to your own thread

 

[PoliticalChic]

Reagan was no FDR

Reagan: Mr Gorbachev....please tear down this wall

FDR kicked the fucking wall down

Actually he helped create the wall.

You might want to make sure your history is aligned.

I don't dislike FDR like some. I just don't believe he was as great as some make him out to be. Of course, I accord Ronald Reagan the same thing.

Considering their circumstances, they both did O.K.

If Reagan had been in office during WWII, he might have cut lose the army on Russia. Which would have been a disaster.

If Roosevelt had been in office during the 1980's, we might not have recovered like we did.

We'll never know.

FDR saved Western Europe
Stalin conquered Eastern Europe. Nothing short of declaring war on the USSR was going to dislodge them

To get his part of Europe, FDR lost about 200,000 Americans
To get his part of Europe, Stalin lost about 20 million Russians

Looks like FDR got the better part of the deal

Stalin didn't spend 20 million to get his part of Eastern Europe. He was invaded.

Please don't be such a liar.

You'd figure that with so many losses, he be spent. Which he was.

FDR and Churchhill caved on the Eastern Europe.

I am sure the people of East Berlin felt that FDR got the better part of the deal.

Can you be any more stupid ?

Eastern Europe was not a bargaining chip. It was occupied by the Red Army
The part of the deal FDR got was West Berlin right in the middle of occupied East Germany

Reagan was no FDR

Reagan: Mr Gorbachev....please tear down this wall

FDR kicked the fucking wall down

Actually he helped create the wall.

You might want to make sure your history is aligned.

I don't dislike FDR like some. I just don't believe he was as great as some make him out to be. Of course, I accord Ronald Reagan the same thing.

Considering their circumstances, they both did O.K.

If Reagan had been in office during WWII, he might have cut lose the army on Russia. Which would have been a disaster.

If Roosevelt had been in office during the 1980's, we might not have recovered like we did.

We'll never know.

FDR saved Western Europe
Stalin conquered Eastern Europe. Nothing short of declaring war on the USSR was going to dislodge them

To get his part of Europe, FDR lost about 200,000 Americans
To get his part of Europe, Stalin lost about 20 million Russians

Looks like FDR got the better part of the deal

Stalin didn't spend 20 million to get his part of Eastern Europe. He was invaded.

Please don't be such a liar.

You'd figure that with so many losses, he be spent. Which he was.

FDR and Churchhill caved on the Eastern Europe.

I am sure the people of East Berlin felt that FDR got the better part of the deal.

Can you be any more stupid ?

Eastern Europe was not a bargaining chip. It was occupied by the Red Army
The part of the deal FDR got was West Berlin right in the middle of occupied East Germany

Roosevelt offered Eastern Europe to Stalin as his prom gift.....hoping for a peck on the cheek.

Harry Hopkins and George Marshall were fully behind handing all of Eastern Europe over to Stalin's tender mercies.

Remember...they knew of the Terror Famine, the Katyn Forest Massacre, and other blood purges. by Stalin.

Evidence can be seen in a document which Hopkins took with him to the Quebec conference in August, 1943, entitled "Russia's Position," quoted as follows in Robert Sherwood's book, "Roosevelt and Hopkins: An Intimate History,".....

"Russia's post-war position in Europe will be a dominant one. With Germany crushed, there is no power in Europe to oppose her tremendous military forces."

 

[PoliticalChic]

Reagan was no FDR

Reagan: Mr Gorbachev....please tear down this wall

FDR kicked the fucking wall down

Actually he helped create the wall.

You might want to make sure your history is aligned.

I don't dislike FDR like some. I just don't believe he was as great as some make him out to be. Of course, I accord Ronald Reagan the same thing.

Considering their circumstances, they both did O.K.

If Reagan had been in office during WWII, he might have cut lose the army on Russia. Which would have been a disaster.

If Roosevelt had been in office during the 1980's, we might not have recovered like we did.

We'll never know.

FDR saved Western Europe
Stalin conquered Eastern Europe. Nothing short of declaring war on the USSR was going to dislodge them

To get his part of Europe, FDR lost about 200,000 Americans
To get his part of Europe, Stalin lost about 20 million Russians

Looks like FDR got the better part of the deal

Total nonsense by an FDR boot-licker.

It's a shame that you are unable to contribute anything of value to your own thread

Any 'shame' is all yours.

You lie even when lying is unnecessary....beginning with your avi.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

You are right.....Roosevelt didn't bargain or try to force him out.

No threats...no nothing.

Rolled over and caved.

Eastern Europe really flourished under Stalin.

There was nothing to bargain

You were not going to remove the Red Army from territory they fought and died for

What were you going to offer Stalin to get his troops out of Eastern Europe?

Uh...not cramming a hydrogen bomb up his ass.

Not to good at this....are you.

Neither was FDR.

The major rollover and cave guy.

That's where you guys always go off the deep end
Your response to every situation is ...Nuke em

First of all .....FDR did not have a working atomic bomb when he negotiated with Stalin

Second, if the U.S. Resorted to nuclear devastation to take over the USSR....we would have been considered worse than Stalin

Third, the USSR folded on its own 45 years later without violence

1. Once he had it, he could have "re-opened" negotiations.
2. You have no idea of what you talk about. Stalin essentially took over half of Europe. Tell me again why we went to war with Germany. I would not have felt bad in that situation. The left and right are all talk. As you are prone to say "I've got mine...screw the rest of you.". Liberty is great as long as you've got it....who cares.
3. 45 years of tyranny and mass murder....."I've got mine.....you'll get over it.".

Who are "you guys". You have no idea of who I am. I am certainly not a far right wing disciple.

Revisionist history for global domination is fun isn't it?

1. FDR died in April 1945. The bomb wasn't tested till July 1945 with Hiroshima in August. FDR couldn't negotiate anything and by August 1945, Europe was already divided and America would not have tolerated extending the war against a former ally

2 Stalin "took over" half of Europe at the cost of 20 million deaths. We "took over " the other half at a cost of around 200,000 deaths.....looks like we got the better deal

3. 45 years of Cold War is preferable to starting a nuclear war

You are a complete idiot.

1. To bad it didn't happen sooner. The bomb didn't suddenly show up. He knew it was coming. But that does not matter. He had it. He didn't try to use it as leverage. Gutless.

2. Your constant repeat of this lie does not make it any less a lie.

3. Yep....we got ours....screw Eastern Europe. BTW there was no nuclear war to start. Can you be any more stupid ? Russia didn't have the bomb. You need to get an updated book of talking points.

 

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Reagan was no FDR

Reagan: Mr Gorbachev....please tear down this wall

FDR kicked the fucking wall down

Actually he helped create the wall.

You might want to make sure your history is aligned.

I don't dislike FDR like some. I just don't believe he was as great as some make him out to be. Of course, I accord Ronald Reagan the same thing.

Considering their circumstances, they both did O.K.

If Reagan had been in office during WWII, he might have cut lose the army on Russia. Which would have been a disaster.

If Roosevelt had been in office during the 1980's, we might not have recovered like we did.

We'll never know.

FDR saved Western Europe
Stalin conquered Eastern Europe. Nothing short of declaring war on the USSR was going to dislodge them

To get his part of Europe, FDR lost about 200,000 Americans
To get his part of Europe, Stalin lost about 20 million Russians

Looks like FDR got the better part of the deal

Total nonsense by an FDR boot-licker.

It's a shame that you are unable to contribute anything of value to your own thread

Any 'shame' is all yours.

You lie even when lying is unnecessary....beginning with your avi.

It's sad really....you could actually be a good poster

But you sold out to play your Ann Coulter cut and paste games

Your choice, I guess