Russian gov has released a manual on how to use a Javelin.

[rightwinger]

How do you know?

You cant possibly follow every word trump says

trump condemns invasion of ukraine 2 months ago

Sean Hannity begged Trump to call Putin evil

Trump would not do it

 

[rightwinger]

trump condemns invasion of ukraine 2 months ago

Notice how Trump condemns the invasion but steadfastly refuses to condemn Putin

 

[Mac-7]

Sean Hannity begged Trump to call Putin evil

Trump would not do it

I dont care

Trump’s way of dealing with putin avoided an invasion of ukraine

Something biden failed to do

 

[Mac-7]

Notice how Trump condemns the invasion but steadfastly refuses to condemn Putin

Diplomacy is best kept impersonal

see post #43 for how that worked out

 

[rightwinger]

Diplomacy is best kept impersonal

see post #43 for how that worked out

So calling Putin a Genius is diplomacy?

 

[Mac-7]

So calling Putin a Genius is diplomacy?

Trump is using putin to attack biden

And its working

 

[Mac-7]

So calling Putin a Genius is diplomacy?

BTW, you cant deny that trump succeeded where biden failed

All the stuff you post is just smoke to obscure that fact

 

[rightwinger]

BTW, you cant deny that trump succeeded where biden failed

All the stuff you post is just smoke to obscure that fact

Actually Trump failed

His attempts to disrupt and discredit NATO failed. Once Putin invaded, the NATO alliance strengthened in providing unified support.

Even then, Trump mocked NATO as stupid

 

[Mac-7]

Actually Trump failed

His attempts to disrupt and discredit NATO failed. Once Putin invaded, the NATO alliance strengthened in providing unified support.

Even then, Trump mocked NATO as stupid

Now you’re just making up stuff

The NATO countries were not meeting their obligations

In time that would result in an empty shell much like the russian army

Trump called them on it

 

[rightwinger]

Now you’re just making up stuff

The NATO countries were not meeting their obligations

In time that would result in an empty shell much like the russian army

Trump called them on it

Trump weakened the NATO alliance and questioned whether he would honor Article 5
He mocked NATO as weak and questioned whether the U.S. should belong to it

 

[Mac-7]

Trump weakened the NATO alliance and questioned whether he would honor Article 5
He mocked NATO as weak and questioned whether the U.S. should belong to it

After trump called them out NATO increased spending and became stronger

 

[Flash]

Sucks being an American taxpayer, doesnt it?

It sucks more to be one of those 24,000 Russian soldiers that have been killed.

 

[rightwinger]

After trump called them out NATO increased spending and became stronger

Not actually
Spending increases had been in the works for years

Trump attacked the alliance and the US role in it

 

[frackapisa]

I dont care

Trump’s way of dealing with putin avoided an invasion of ukraine

Something biden failed to do

True, but avoiding the truth. The reason Putin didn't invade Ukraine under Trump is because Trump was busy giving Putin everything he wanted.
Trump was against Ukraine joining NATO, and blamed Ukraine for the Russian dossier. Trump personally blamed Zelensky for not helping him with dirt on Biden,.

 

[frackapisa]

Trump is using putin to attack biden

And its working

Trump is using a Russian to attack an American.

And you see nothing wrong with that?

 

[frackapisa]

After trump called them out NATO increased spending and became stronger

Trump was trying to destroy NATO by forcing them to spend their way into bankruptsy, or by failing to meet their obligation, create an excuse for the US withdrawing from NATO. Something Trump tried to do over and over again, only to have people like Chief of Staff John Kelly, or members of his cabinet talk him out of it at the last minute.

 

[Mac-7]

Not actually
Spending increases had been in the works for years

Trump attacked the alliance and the US role in it

Spending increases had been promised but not delivered till trump came along

 

[Mac-7]

Trump was against Ukraine joining NATO, and blamed Ukraine for the Russian dossier.

Prior to the invasion ukraine not joining NATO might have been the wise way to avoid a russian invasion

Now thats changed and if ukraine survives i think it should join NATO

And it appears that some persons in ukraine were involved in the dossier fraud

 

[frackapisa]

Prior to the invasion ukraine not joining NATO might have been the wise way to avoid a russian invasion

And Trump was completely against Ukraine joining NATO. Trump would have done anything to punish Ukraine for not helping him. An he would have surely vetoed Ukraine becoming a member of NATO.

Besides, Trump repeatedly tried to pull the US out of NATO, and thus cause the collapse of the organization.

Trump was giving Putin everything he wanted. So there was no reason for Putin to take Ukraine by force.

 

[para bellum]

...Trump was giving Putin everything he wanted. So there was no reason for Putin to take Ukraine by force.

What exactly was Trump giving Putin, that Putin did not get from Biden, that made Putin invade Ukraine after Biden took over?

Links to support your arguments would be useful, transcripts of speeches if that applies, weapons transfers, or statements from Pentagon or State Dept officials, that kind of thing. I am looking for actual verifiable examples to support your assertion- not lefty inferences of Trump's comments.

Putin "wanted something" from Trump, you say, and received it. What was that something? It had to be important, because had Trump refused, Putin would have invaded Ukraine. What did Putin receive from Trump that was so valuable, that it averted an otherwise unavoidable war?