RW: what specific policy ideas from your preferred candidate do you think will help the economy?

[Billy000]

I know many of you will say deporting all illegals but that really is a stupid answer. Even if it did help the economy, it would skyrocket the deficit and would take decades to achieve. It isn't at all practical.

Let's put that aside. What other SPECIFIC policy ideas from this clown car of republican candidates will stimulate economic growth?

What will create millions of jobs?

What will boost wages?

What will keep all of the income gains from going to the top 1% and save the middle class?

I reject the premise of the question. I don't want a bunch of lawyer politicians trying to be central planners of the economy. They don't understand it, so how can they fix it? Accept the fact that there will be ups and downs in any economy. You want to help, don't help! And quit promising to help. Try leaving small, medium and large businesses alone, don't saddle them with your regulations, don't tell them what they need to pay their employees, let the damn thing run on its own.

For those of you who buy any of this crap that the government can improve a bad economy by instituting another government program.......well that's what democrats are for. Conservatives are better than that. Unfortunately the RNC is running conservative ideas into the wall. They gotta go!

The massive gap in income inequality will only get wider and the economy will further destabilize due to a lack of a robust middle class consumer spending which is vital to the economy.

There have been other times when the wealth inequality was extreme. It usually occurs at the back end of economic expansion. The first couple of decades of the last century JP Morgan, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, Carnegie, Ford et al. Were all ridiculously wealthy. Wealth inequality does not mean that some people are suffering more because there are wealthy people.

A person living in poverty in the US today, has a much higher standard of living than the average middle class person of 1940. Poverty level does not necessarily indicate your standard of living. Poverty level is a political tool.

Are you fucking kidding me? You have no concept of the cost of living do you? Wages in the lower classes have been flat for DECADES while the cost of living only continues to go up. There are 18 million people who make less than 10.10 per hour. How many more do you think make less than 15 per hour?

 

[Dale Smith]

I know many of you will say deporting all illegals but that really is a stupid answer. Even if it did help the economy, it would skyrocket the deficit and would take decades to achieve. It isn't at all practical.

Let's put that aside. What other SPECIFIC policy ideas from this clown car of republican candidates will stimulate economic growth?

What will create millions of jobs?

What will boost wages?

What will keep all of the income gains from going to the top 1% and save the middle class?

I answered this question before but it must have freaked you out...so once again, I will post the cures...and it doesn't require fucking over one group of people to give to another.

#1 We nationalize the Federal Reserve and end the hold they have had over this country by issuing debt notes with interest attached to every single one. We also confiscate the wealth that they have attained and put it into a trust. They will also be arrested and charged with fraud and theft much like Iceland did.

#2. We tell the IMF that they no longer own USA.INC because this corporate entity has been dissolved and that all stocks and bonds that they have accumulated by using money skimmed off the top in order to invest after Bretton Woods agreement is now in the hands of a REAL Treasurer that works for the Republic which will be restored after it was lost with he Act of 1871. You see, USA.INC declared bankruptcy in 1950 and the IMF (which is owned by the same group of banking thieves that control the Fed and all the other central banks) took USA.INC into receivership in order to supply the 19 essential "gubermint" services but this was a for profit venture...and oh how they have profited.

#3 We audit every subsidiary of USA.INC (states, cities, towns, counties, etc, etc) using the Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports and using their records, we recover the 145 TRILLION dollars this composite "gubermint" has been holding in assets...everything from stocks and bonds to controlling interests in golf course, Amusement parks, race tracks, etc, etc. That will also be put into the trust. The "gubermint" has been pulling down 13 TRILLION dollars a year in dividends from their investments using money that was stolen from us which is 4 times more than what they need to fund this monstrosity of a corporation...even with a bloated military. This will eliminate any taxation of any kind...including an insurance plan for people that retire. We will be able to restore Allodial rights to the people where they will actually OWN their own property again instead of being merely tenets.

#4 100 percent debt forgiveness. Your signature was what created the credit for any type of "loan" that was given to you. The bankers never pulled a penny out of their vaults. You own your property clear and free.

#5. We pull all of our military out of every country that has been used to keep an eye on the multi-national corporations interests on our dime and place them on the southern border in order to secure it.

#6 All fair trade agreements like NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT and the TPP are null and void. Foreign countries will not be allowed to flood our markets with cheap goods made from slave labor. This will accomplish two things, this will encourage other countries to follow suit and pay their employees a living wage and if their currency is under-valued, we charge a tariff like we did before the Fed took control of our money supply.

#7 We return to Common Law instead of admiralty law under the Universal Commercial Code. We will then have judges again instead of what we have now which are nothing but administrators. We will have Peace Officers instead of a police force that enforces acts, statutes and codes which make victimless crimes a money maker for the corporation that they worked for.

#8. We legalize the use of hemp. It has a 1000 and 1 uses.

#9 We allow the states to determine the type of education they want to teach with local school boards having the final say..

#10. We have mentor-ship programs for graduates that do not wish to go to college but want to learn a trade and the government will cover half the cost for up to two years.

#11 There are over 3,000 patents currently being suppressed under the auspices of "National Security" that could do anything from extending the MPG from a gallon of gas to free energy that could totally get us off of an electrical grid to producing and growing food in a more efficient manner. We put the free market to work and make it a race to see which start up company can run with it and produce a viable product or solution.

It's not that tough to figure out, folks.......we can choose to remain slaves of this system or stand up for ourselves and insist that this tiny faction of thieves not only be kicked to the curb but put on trial for their crimes against humanity and put away so they can never infiltrate the system again. You want change? Be the change..and it starts with us.

 

[eagle1462010]

To the Op.............You first................

People like you continually demand our policies while giving nothing in return...................

Time for you to put up or shut up.................

Investing in infrastructure will create millions of jobs.

Raising the minimum wage to a reasonable level will lift millions out of poverty. Historically the negative effect of inflation has been minimal. In fact, 600 economists signed a letter to congress asking for the federal minimum wage to be lifted to 10.10 per hour which would have boosted the wages of 18 million people. Over time the boost would have increased consumer spending.

Extending unemployment benefits to those who need it. This will boost consumer spending thus creating economic growth.

Expanding the earned income tax credit for the poor.

Shifting the tax burden away from the middle class and to the top earners and corporations.

Now your turn. You can dispute these ideas all you want, at least democrats have actual ideas. Republicans don't.

Government control..............on all of your ideas...............NO THANKS............

Many policies and tax reforms are and have been on the table that your side rejects............plenty out there for you to read about....................

Too damned tired tonight to throw a bunch of examples at you..............What not to do........see Detroit.

What policies? Quit pretending you have some in mind.

Do you actually still believe in the lie that is trickle down econmics? It's been proven over and over to be bullshit. Bush's insane tax cuts for the wealthy didn't do jack shit. The Great Recession happened anyway and the total job creation under Bush was pathetic.

Obama and Clinton want to send more jobs overseas dumb ass............TPP ring a bell.

Illegals lower wages unless you live under a rock. The Chamber wants the cheap labor.

Higher tax rates by your plans makes more jobs leave the country.

More regulations the same............

You are a walking billboard for how to kill jobs.

 

[Billy000]

I know many of you will say deporting all illegals but that really is a stupid answer. Even if it did help the economy, it would skyrocket the deficit and would take decades to achieve. It isn't at all practical.

Let's put that aside. What other SPECIFIC policy ideas from this clown car of republican candidates will stimulate economic growth?

What will create millions of jobs?

What will boost wages?

What will keep all of the income gains from going to the top 1% and save the middle class?

Here are some specific ideas:

Permanently fix M0 (the monetary base) at its current level.

Phase out all federal business regulations.

Phase out all federal transfer payments.

Reduce the military to a defense force.

Eliminate all federal crimes other than those described in Art I, section 8.

Phase out the income tax, both personal and corporate.

Deregulation does very little to actually stimulate growth. The BLS statistics prove that regulations rarely have anything to do with job loss. Corporate profits are already at an all time high.

Eliminating all income tax would skyrocket the deficit. You know that right?

 

[Billy000]

I know many of you will say deporting all illegals but that really is a stupid answer. Even if it did help the economy, it would skyrocket the deficit and would take decades to achieve. It isn't at all practical.

Let's put that aside. What other SPECIFIC policy ideas from this clown car of republican candidates will stimulate economic growth?

What will create millions of jobs?

What will boost wages?

What will keep all of the income gains from going to the top 1% and save the middle class?

I answered this question before but it must have freaked you out...so once again, I will post the cures...and it doesn't require fucking over one group of people to give to another.

#1 We nationalize the Federal Reserve and end the hold they have had over this country by issuing debt notes with interest attached to every single one. We also confiscate the wealth that they have attained and put it into a trust. They will also be arrested and charged with fraud and theft much like Iceland did.

#2. We tell the IMF that they no longer own USA.INC because this corporate entity has been dissolved and that all stocks and bonds that they have accumulated by using money skimmed off the top in order to invest after Bretton Woods agreement is now in the hands of a REAL Treasurer that works for the Republic which will be restored after it was lost with he Act of 1871. You see, USA.INC declared bankruptcy in 1950 and the IMF (which is owned by the same group of banking thieves that control the Fed and all the other central banks) took USA.INC into receivership in order to supply the 19 essential "gubermint" services but this was a for profit venture...and oh how they have profited.

#3 We audit every subsidiary of USA.INC (states, cities, towns, counties, etc, etc) using the Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports and using their records, we recover the 145 TRILLION dollars this composite "gubermint" has been holding in assets...everything from stocks and bonds to controlling interests in golf course, Amusement parks, race tracks, etc, etc. That will also be put into the trust. The "gubermint" has been pulling down 13 TRILLION dollars a year in dividends from their investments using money that was stolen from us which is 4 times more than what they need to fund this monstrosity of a corporation...even with a bloated military. This will eliminate any taxation of any kind...including an insurance plan for people that retire. We will be able to restore Allodial rights to the people where they will actually OWN their own property again instead of being merely tenets.

#4 100 percent debt forgiveness. Your signature was what created the credit for any type of "loan" that was given to you. The bankers never pulled a penny out of their vaults. You own your property clear and free.

#5. We pull all of our military out of every country that has been used to keep an eye on the multi-national corporations interests on our dime and place them on the southern border in order to secure it.

#6 All fair trade agreements like NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT and the TPP are null and void. Foreign countries will not be allowed to flood our markets with cheap goods made from slave labor. This will accomplish two things, this will encourage other countries to follow suit and pay their employees a living wage and if their currency is under-valued, we charge a tariff like we did before the Fed took control of our money supply.

#7 We return to Common Law instead of admiralty law under the Universal Commercial Code. We will then have judges again instead of what we have now which are nothing but administrators. We will have Peace Officers instead of a police force that enforces acts, statutes and codes which make victimless crimes a money maker for the corporation that they worked for.

#8. We legalize the use of hemp. It has a 1000 and 1 uses.

#9 We allow the states to determine the type of education they want to teach with local school boards having the final say..

#10. We have mentor-ship programs for graduates that do not wish to go to college but want to learn a trade and the government will cover half the cost for up to two years.

#11 There are over 3,000 patents currently being suppressed under the auspices of "National Security" that could do anything from extending the MPG from a gallon of gas to free energy that could totally get us off of an electrical grid to producing and growing food in a more efficient manner. We put the free market to work and make it a race to see which start up company can run with it and produce a viable product or solution.

It's not that tough to figure out, folks.......we can choose to remain slaves of this system or stand up for ourselves and insist that this tiny faction of thieves not only be kicked to the curb but put on trial for their crimes against humanity and put away so they can never infiltrate the system again. You want change? Be the change..and it starts with us.

A couple of those are good ideas. However, my point is that republicans do not push those ideas.

 

[Billy000]

To the Op.............You first................

People like you continually demand our policies while giving nothing in return...................

Time for you to put up or shut up.................

Investing in infrastructure will create millions of jobs.

Raising the minimum wage to a reasonable level will lift millions out of poverty. Historically the negative effect of inflation has been minimal. In fact, 600 economists signed a letter to congress asking for the federal minimum wage to be lifted to 10.10 per hour which would have boosted the wages of 18 million people. Over time the boost would have increased consumer spending.

Extending unemployment benefits to those who need it. This will boost consumer spending thus creating economic growth.

Expanding the earned income tax credit for the poor.

Shifting the tax burden away from the middle class and to the top earners and corporations.

Now your turn. You can dispute these ideas all you want, at least democrats have actual ideas. Republicans don't.

Government control..............on all of your ideas...............NO THANKS............

Many policies and tax reforms are and have been on the table that your side rejects............plenty out there for you to read about....................

Too damned tired tonight to throw a bunch of examples at you..............What not to do........see Detroit.

What policies? Quit pretending you have some in mind.

Do you actually still believe in the lie that is trickle down econmics? It's been proven over and over to be bullshit. Bush's insane tax cuts for the wealthy didn't do jack shit. The Great Recession happened anyway and the total job creation under Bush was pathetic.

Obama and Clinton want to send more jobs overseas dumb ass............TPP ring a bell.

Illegals lower wages unless you live under a rock. The Chamber wants the cheap labor.

Higher tax rates by your plans makes more jobs leave the country.

More regulations the same............

You are a walking billboard for how to kill jobs.

Deporting illegals wouldn't do jack shit to boost wages. Just because they would be gone, it doesn't mean those businesses will say "hmm the Mexicans are gone. I guess I have a moral obligation to raise my wages."

 

[Centinel]

I know many of you will say deporting all illegals but that really is a stupid answer. Even if it did help the economy, it would skyrocket the deficit and would take decades to achieve. It isn't at all practical.

Let's put that aside. What other SPECIFIC policy ideas from this clown car of republican candidates will stimulate economic growth?

What will create millions of jobs?

What will boost wages?

What will keep all of the income gains from going to the top 1% and save the middle class?

Here are some specific ideas:

Permanently fix M0 (the monetary base) at its current level.

Phase out all federal business regulations.

Phase out all federal transfer payments.

Reduce the military to a defense force.

Eliminate all federal crimes other than those described in Art I, section 8.

Phase out the income tax, both personal and corporate.

Deregulation does very little to actually stimulate growth. The BLS statistics prove that regulations is rarely has anything to do with job loss. Corporate profits are already at an all time high.

Regulations stop economic activity. Eliminating them will eliminate that dampening effect.

Eliminating all income tax would skyrocket the deficit. You know that right?

Not when all federal transfer payments were eliminated and the military was reduced to a defense force.

 

[eagle1462010]

To the Op.............You first................

People like you continually demand our policies while giving nothing in return...................

Time for you to put up or shut up.................

Investing in infrastructure will create millions of jobs.

Raising the minimum wage to a reasonable level will lift millions out of poverty. Historically the negative effect of inflation has been minimal. In fact, 600 economists signed a letter to congress asking for the federal minimum wage to be lifted to 10.10 per hour which would have boosted the wages of 18 million people. Over time the boost would have increased consumer spending.

Extending unemployment benefits to those who need it. This will boost consumer spending thus creating economic growth.

Expanding the earned income tax credit for the poor.

Shifting the tax burden away from the middle class and to the top earners and corporations.

Now your turn. You can dispute these ideas all you want, at least democrats have actual ideas. Republicans don't.

Government control..............on all of your ideas...............NO THANKS............

Many policies and tax reforms are and have been on the table that your side rejects............plenty out there for you to read about....................

Too damned tired tonight to throw a bunch of examples at you..............What not to do........see Detroit.

What policies? Quit pretending you have some in mind.

Do you actually still believe in the lie that is trickle down econmics? It's been proven over and over to be bullshit. Bush's insane tax cuts for the wealthy didn't do jack shit. The Great Recession happened anyway and the total job creation under Bush was pathetic.

Obama and Clinton want to send more jobs overseas dumb ass............TPP ring a bell.

Illegals lower wages unless you live under a rock. The Chamber wants the cheap labor.

Higher tax rates by your plans makes more jobs leave the country.

More regulations the same............

You are a walking billboard for how to kill jobs.

Deporting illegals wouldn't do jack shit to boost wages. Just because they would be gone, it doesn't mean those businesses will say "hmm the Mexicans are gone. I guess I have a moral obligation to raise my wages."

Don't be a dumb ass.........they have lowered wages here because they work for less money...............business would have to pay more for labor if they weren't in the mix......................Not to mention all the benefits they get here while not being Americans................stopping that would save this country a small fortune.

 

[Billy000]

Investing in infrastructure will create millions of jobs.

Raising the minimum wage to a reasonable level will lift millions out of poverty. Historically the negative effect of inflation has been minimal. In fact, 600 economists signed a letter to congress asking for the federal minimum wage to be lifted to 10.10 per hour which would have boosted the wages of 18 million people. Over time the boost would have increased consumer spending.

Extending unemployment benefits to those who need it. This will boost consumer spending thus creating economic growth.

Expanding the earned income tax credit for the poor.

Shifting the tax burden away from the middle class and to the top earners and corporations.

Now your turn. You can dispute these ideas all you want, at least democrats have actual ideas. Republicans don't.

Government control..............on all of your ideas...............NO THANKS............

Many policies and tax reforms are and have been on the table that your side rejects............plenty out there for you to read about....................

Too damned tired tonight to throw a bunch of examples at you..............What not to do........see Detroit.

What policies? Quit pretending you have some in mind.

Do you actually still believe in the lie that is trickle down econmics? It's been proven over and over to be bullshit. Bush's insane tax cuts for the wealthy didn't do jack shit. The Great Recession happened anyway and the total job creation under Bush was pathetic.

Obama and Clinton want to send more jobs overseas dumb ass............TPP ring a bell.

Illegals lower wages unless you live under a rock. The Chamber wants the cheap labor.

Higher tax rates by your plans makes more jobs leave the country.

More regulations the same............

You are a walking billboard for how to kill jobs.

Deporting illegals wouldn't do jack shit to boost wages. Just because they would be gone, it doesn't mean those businesses will say "hmm the Mexicans are gone. I guess I have a moral obligation to raise my wages."

Don't be a dumb ass.........they have lowered wages here because they work for less money...............business would have to pay more for labor if they weren't in the mix......................Not to mention all the benefits they get here while not being Americans................stopping that would save this country a small fortune.

Why would they have to pay more for labor? Do you even realize how low wages are for legal Americans?

 

[eagle1462010]

Government control..............on all of your ideas...............NO THANKS............

Many policies and tax reforms are and have been on the table that your side rejects............plenty out there for you to read about....................

Too damned tired tonight to throw a bunch of examples at you..............What not to do........see Detroit.

What policies? Quit pretending you have some in mind.

Do you actually still believe in the lie that is trickle down econmics? It's been proven over and over to be bullshit. Bush's insane tax cuts for the wealthy didn't do jack shit. The Great Recession happened anyway and the total job creation under Bush was pathetic.

Obama and Clinton want to send more jobs overseas dumb ass............TPP ring a bell.

Illegals lower wages unless you live under a rock. The Chamber wants the cheap labor.

Higher tax rates by your plans makes more jobs leave the country.

More regulations the same............

You are a walking billboard for how to kill jobs.

Deporting illegals wouldn't do jack shit to boost wages. Just because they would be gone, it doesn't mean those businesses will say "hmm the Mexicans are gone. I guess I have a moral obligation to raise my wages."

Don't be a dumb ass.........they have lowered wages here because they work for less money...............business would have to pay more for labor if they weren't in the mix......................Not to mention all the benefits they get here while not being Americans................stopping that would save this country a small fortune.

Why would they have to pay more for labor? Do you even realize how low wages are for legal Americans?

Minimum wage dumb ass...........they work for less than that........because they can get turned into ICE.

 

[Dale Smith]

I know many of you will say deporting all illegals but that really is a stupid answer. Even if it did help the economy, it would skyrocket the deficit and would take decades to achieve. It isn't at all practical.

Let's put that aside. What other SPECIFIC policy ideas from this clown car of republican candidates will stimulate economic growth?

What will create millions of jobs?

What will boost wages?

What will keep all of the income gains from going to the top 1% and save the middle class?

I answered this question before but it must have freaked you out...so once again, I will post the cures...and it doesn't require fucking over one group of people to give to another.

#1 We nationalize the Federal Reserve and end the hold they have had over this country by issuing debt notes with interest attached to every single one. We also confiscate the wealth that they have attained and put it into a trust. They will also be arrested and charged with fraud and theft much like Iceland did.

#2. We tell the IMF that they no longer own USA.INC because this corporate entity has been dissolved and that all stocks and bonds that they have accumulated by using money skimmed off the top in order to invest after Bretton Woods agreement is now in the hands of a REAL Treasurer that works for the Republic which will be restored after it was lost with he Act of 1871. You see, USA.INC declared bankruptcy in 1950 and the IMF (which is owned by the same group of banking thieves that control the Fed and all the other central banks) took USA.INC into receivership in order to supply the 19 essential "gubermint" services but this was a for profit venture...and oh how they have profited.

#3 We audit every subsidiary of USA.INC (states, cities, towns, counties, etc, etc) using the Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports and using their records, we recover the 145 TRILLION dollars this composite "gubermint" has been holding in assets...everything from stocks and bonds to controlling interests in golf course, Amusement parks, race tracks, etc, etc. That will also be put into the trust. The "gubermint" has been pulling down 13 TRILLION dollars a year in dividends from their investments using money that was stolen from us which is 4 times more than what they need to fund this monstrosity of a corporation...even with a bloated military. This will eliminate any taxation of any kind...including an insurance plan for people that retire. We will be able to restore Allodial rights to the people where they will actually OWN their own property again instead of being merely tenets.

#4 100 percent debt forgiveness. Your signature was what created the credit for any type of "loan" that was given to you. The bankers never pulled a penny out of their vaults. You own your property clear and free.

#5. We pull all of our military out of every country that has been used to keep an eye on the multi-national corporations interests on our dime and place them on the southern border in order to secure it.

#6 All fair trade agreements like NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT and the TPP are null and void. Foreign countries will not be allowed to flood our markets with cheap goods made from slave labor. This will accomplish two things, this will encourage other countries to follow suit and pay their employees a living wage and if their currency is under-valued, we charge a tariff like we did before the Fed took control of our money supply.

#7 We return to Common Law instead of admiralty law under the Universal Commercial Code. We will then have judges again instead of what we have now which are nothing but administrators. We will have Peace Officers instead of a police force that enforces acts, statutes and codes which make victimless crimes a money maker for the corporation that they worked for.

#8. We legalize the use of hemp. It has a 1000 and 1 uses.

#9 We allow the states to determine the type of education they want to teach with local school boards having the final say..

#10. We have mentor-ship programs for graduates that do not wish to go to college but want to learn a trade and the government will cover half the cost for up to two years.

#11 There are over 3,000 patents currently being suppressed under the auspices of "National Security" that could do anything from extending the MPG from a gallon of gas to free energy that could totally get us off of an electrical grid to producing and growing food in a more efficient manner. We put the free market to work and make it a race to see which start up company can run with it and produce a viable product or solution.

It's not that tough to figure out, folks.......we can choose to remain slaves of this system or stand up for ourselves and insist that this tiny faction of thieves not only be kicked to the curb but put on trial for their crimes against humanity and put away so they can never infiltrate the system again. You want change? Be the change..and it starts with us.

A couple of those are good ideas. However, my point is rush republcans do not push those ideas.

Neither do democrats because they are owned by the same players that have enslaved us and the rest of the world with a central bank. They pay the piper, so they pick the tune. Any politician that gets elected that isn't handpicked by the banking oligarchs are set straight from day one as to how the system works. Some sell out right away while others are compromised and corrupted....which is why we have never seen any change...new boss is the same as the old boss. They have two choices....they can either play ball and keep the system in place while getting rich beyond their wildest dreams or they will be drummed out and kept off any committee and when their term is up, they will outspend his opponent. They don't have to own every politician...just the majority. I am sure there are good people in both parties that want to do right by us but there isn't enough. If we can turn this around, we need to re-instate the original 13th amendment that barred lawyers from holding public office.

 

[Billy000]

What policies? Quit pretending you have some in mind.

Do you actually still believe in the lie that is trickle down econmics? It's been proven over and over to be bullshit. Bush's insane tax cuts for the wealthy didn't do jack shit. The Great Recession happened anyway and the total job creation under Bush was pathetic.

Obama and Clinton want to send more jobs overseas dumb ass............TPP ring a bell.

Illegals lower wages unless you live under a rock. The Chamber wants the cheap labor.

Higher tax rates by your plans makes more jobs leave the country.

More regulations the same............

You are a walking billboard for how to kill jobs.

Deporting illegals wouldn't do jack shit to boost wages. Just because they would be gone, it doesn't mean those businesses will say "hmm the Mexicans are gone. I guess I have a moral obligation to raise my wages."

Don't be a dumb ass.........they have lowered wages here because they work for less money...............business would have to pay more for labor if they weren't in the mix......................Not to mention all the benefits they get here while not being Americans................stopping that would save this country a small fortune.

Why would they have to pay more for labor? Do you even realize how low wages are for legal Americans?

Minimum wage dumb ass...........they work for less than that........because they can get turned into ICE.

Yeah and then those businesses will just pay minimum wage to the legal citizens lol

 

[eagle1462010]

Obama and Clinton want to send more jobs overseas dumb ass............TPP ring a bell.

Illegals lower wages unless you live under a rock. The Chamber wants the cheap labor.

Higher tax rates by your plans makes more jobs leave the country.

More regulations the same............

You are a walking billboard for how to kill jobs.

Deporting illegals wouldn't do jack shit to boost wages. Just because they would be gone, it doesn't mean those businesses will say "hmm the Mexicans are gone. I guess I have a moral obligation to raise my wages."

Don't be a dumb ass.........they have lowered wages here because they work for less money...............business would have to pay more for labor if they weren't in the mix......................Not to mention all the benefits they get here while not being Americans................stopping that would save this country a small fortune.

Why would they have to pay more for labor? Do you even realize how low wages are for legal Americans?

Minimum wage dumb ass...........they work for less than that........because they can get turned into ICE.

Yeah and then those businesses will just pay minimum wage to the legal citizens lol

It happens to be the law dumb ass.......unless you are illegal.

 

[jillian]

I know many of you will say deporting all illegals but that really is a stupid answer. Even if it did help the economy, it would skyrocket the deficit and would take decades to achieve. It isn't at all practical.

Let's put that aside. What other SPECIFIC policy ideas from this clown car of republican candidates will stimulate economic growth?

What will create millions of jobs?

What will boost wages?

What will keep all of the income gains from going to the top 1% and save the middle class?

I reject the premise of the question. I don't want a bunch of lawyer politicians trying to be central planners of the economy. They don't understand it, so how can they fix it? Accept the fact that there will be ups and downs in any economy. You want to help, don't help! And quit promising to help. Try leaving small, medium and large businesses alone, don't saddle them with your regulations, don't tell them what they need to pay their employees, let the damn thing run on its own.

For those of you who buy any of this crap that the government can improve a bad economy by instituting another government program.......well that's what democrats are for. Conservatives are better than that. Unfortunately the RNC is running conservative ideas into the wall. They gotta go!

riiiight....except more than 50% of seniors lived below the poverty line before government involved itself. laissez faire capitalism was a total failure and created a dickensian nightmare. That is what led to the creation of wage and hour laws, etc.

of course government involves itself in economic policy.

this is what happens when you've listened to submint haters for three decades and allow yourself to be manipulated to vote against your own interest

The poverty level? Really. The poverty level considers income. It is not a realistic indicator of economic lifestyle or wellbeing. In the forties a much higher percentage of people lived and worked on farms. Very low income, but many were landowners. Today when somebody retires they could have a million dollar net worth if they were to liquidate their assets, but since they have little or no income they show up in the poverty stats. It's a game the government plays to make you believe that all those taxes and that 20 trillion dollar deficit is feeding somebody's grandma. It's a scam already.

thanks for proving you know nothing.

 

[jillian]

Deporting illegals wouldn't do jack shit to boost wages. Just because they would be gone, it doesn't mean those businesses will say "hmm the Mexicans are gone. I guess I have a moral obligation to raise my wages."

Don't be a dumb ass.........they have lowered wages here because they work for less money...............business would have to pay more for labor if they weren't in the mix......................Not to mention all the benefits they get here while not being Americans................stopping that would save this country a small fortune.

Why would they have to pay more for labor? Do you even realize how low wages are for legal Americans?

Minimum wage dumb ass...........they work for less than that........because they can get turned into ICE.

Yeah and then those businesses will just pay minimum wage to the legal citizens lol

It happens to be the law dumb ass.......unless you are illegal.

actually you can sue for wages earned even if you are illegal because the EMPLOYERS ARE REQUIRED TO PAY.

 

[eagle1462010]

Obama and Clinton want to send more jobs overseas dumb ass............TPP ring a bell.

Illegals lower wages unless you live under a rock. The Chamber wants the cheap labor.

Higher tax rates by your plans makes more jobs leave the country.

More regulations the same............

You are a walking billboard for how to kill jobs.

Deporting illegals wouldn't do jack shit to boost wages. Just because they would be gone, it doesn't mean those businesses will say "hmm the Mexicans are gone. I guess I have a moral obligation to raise my wages."

Don't be a dumb ass.........they have lowered wages here because they work for less money...............business would have to pay more for labor if they weren't in the mix......................Not to mention all the benefits they get here while not being Americans................stopping that would save this country a small fortune.

Why would they have to pay more for labor? Do you even realize how low wages are for legal Americans?

Minimum wage dumb ass...........they work for less than that........because they can get turned into ICE.

Yeah and then those businesses will just pay minimum wage to the legal citizens lol

Were you born dumb or just grew into it..........

Ever heard of the labor board..........................You are required by law to pay the minimum now...........If you are LEGAL.......the illegals work under the radar...........and the businesses don't pay them the normal rates because they know they are legal.......I've worked jobs where they brought in buses of illegals to the job site.............everyone knew they were illegal...........and everyone knew they were working for chump change............

That work could have been done by LEGAL CITIZENS or DOCUMENTED VISA HOLDING WORKERS.............but they weren't...........and yes they lowered wages in doing so.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

I know many of you will say deporting all illegals but that really is a stupid answer. Even if it did help the economy, it would skyrocket the deficit and would take decades to achieve. It isn't at all practical.

Let's put that aside. What other SPECIFIC policy ideas from this clown car of republican candidates will stimulate economic growth?

What will create millions of jobs?

What will boost wages?

What will keep all of the income gains from going to the top 1% and save the middle class?

I reject the premise of the question. I don't want a bunch of lawyer politicians trying to be central planners of the economy. They don't understand it, so how can they fix it? Accept the fact that there will be ups and downs in any economy. You want to help, don't help! And quit promising to help. Try leaving small, medium and large businesses alone, don't saddle them with your regulations, don't tell them what they need to pay their employees, let the damn thing run on its own.

For those of you who buy any of this crap that the government can improve a bad economy by instituting another government program.......well that's what democrats are for. Conservatives are better than that. Unfortunately the RNC is running conservative ideas into the wall. They gotta go!

The massive gap in income inequality will only get wider and the economy will further destabilize due to a lack of a robust middle class consumer spending which is vital to the economy.

There have been other times when the wealth inequality was extreme. It usually occurs at the back end of economic expansion. The first couple of decades of the last century JP Morgan, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, Carnegie, Ford et al. Were all ridiculously wealthy. Wealth inequality does not mean that some people are suffering more because there are wealthy people.

A person living in poverty in the US today, has a much higher standard of living than the average middle class person of 1940. Poverty level does not necessarily indicate your standard of living. Poverty level is a political tool.

Are you fucking kidding me? You have no concept of the cost of living do you? Wages in the lower classes have been flat for DECADES while the cost of living only continues to go up. There are 18 million people who make less than 10.10 per hour. How many more do you think make less than 15 per hour?

I believe I do have an idea of the cost of living, I work and pay for it everyday.

There are around 15 million people in high school, another 20 million in college. Those are generally unskilled workers, the proverbial burger flippers. If you want to make more then increase your value to your employer, learn more skills, increase your knowledge, provide a better value. Don't just demand more because you can't live off what you are making.

Minimum wage was NEVER intended to be a living wage, it is an entry level wage for unskilled workers, it was a summer job for me to put gas in my car. The same people who whine about raising the minimum wage, don't realize that one reason their wages aren't going up is that many illegals are happy to work for that wage, and employers will nearly always do what is in the best interest of their company. You want open borders? Then accept the fact that it does depress low end workers income.

 

[Billy000]

I know many of you will say deporting all illegals but that really is a stupid answer. Even if it did help the economy, it would skyrocket the deficit and would take decades to achieve. It isn't at all practical.

Let's put that aside. What other SPECIFIC policy ideas from this clown car of republican candidates will stimulate economic growth?

What will create millions of jobs?

What will boost wages?

What will keep all of the income gains from going to the top 1% and save the middle class?

I reject the premise of the question. I don't want a bunch of lawyer politicians trying to be central planners of the economy. They don't understand it, so how can they fix it? Accept the fact that there will be ups and downs in any economy. You want to help, don't help! And quit promising to help. Try leaving small, medium and large businesses alone, don't saddle them with your regulations, don't tell them what they need to pay their employees, let the damn thing run on its own.

For those of you who buy any of this crap that the government can improve a bad economy by instituting another government program.......well that's what democrats are for. Conservatives are better than that. Unfortunately the RNC is running conservative ideas into the wall. They gotta go!

The massive gap in income inequality will only get wider and the economy will further destabilize due to a lack of a robust middle class consumer spending which is vital to the economy.

There have been other times when the wealth inequality was extreme. It usually occurs at the back end of economic expansion. The first couple of decades of the last century JP Morgan, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, Carnegie, Ford et al. Were all ridiculously wealthy. Wealth inequality does not mean that some people are suffering more because there are wealthy people.

A person living in poverty in the US today, has a much higher standard of living than the average middle class person of 1940. Poverty level does not necessarily indicate your standard of living. Poverty level is a political tool.

Are you fucking kidding me? You have no concept of the cost of living do you? Wages in the lower classes have been flat for DECADES while the cost of living only continues to go up. There are 18 million people who make less than 10.10 per hour. How many more do you think make less than 15 per hour?

I believe I do have an idea of the cost of living, I work and pay for it everyday.

There are around 15 million people in high school, another 20 million in college. Those are generally unskilled workers, the proverbial burger flippers. If you want to make more then increase your value to your employer, learn more skills, increase your knowledge, provide a better value. Don't just demand more because you can't live off what you are making.

Minimum wage was NEVER intended to be a living wage, it is an entry level wage for unskilled workers, it was a summer job for me to put gas in my car. The same people who whine about raising the minimum wage, don't realize that one reason their wages aren't going up is that many illegals are happy to work for that wage, and employers will nearly always do what is in the best interest of their company. You want open borders? Then accept the fact that it does depress low end workers income.

There is something very fundamental that you aren't comprehending. It is becoming increasingly irrelevant to learn new skills to get a better job in this country. As crazy as it may sound to you, the minimum wage should be 23.00 per hour to be kept up the rate of inflation. The last time someone could make a comfortable living off of 10.10 per hour was the 1950s. 18 million people make less than $10.10 per hour right now. Again, how many more make less than $15?

All of this means that higher wages have become extremely competitive. Millions of people have NO CHOICE but to accept shitty paying jobs because of this. Skills or not.

Are you comprehending all of this? It means next to dick about learning new skills in today's economy because many skilled jobs still pay dick. On top of all of this, the cost of living is only going increase as the years come while wages remain flat.

Now is the answer to raise the minimum wage to 23.00? No. It's too late for that. The gradual increase should have started years ago. Right now we have to at least begin the gradual increase to get 10s of millions of people out of poverty.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

There is also fundamental you aren't understanding-
MINIMUM WAGE IS NOT INTENDED TO BE A COMFORTABLE LIVING WAGE. It is the entry level wage for low or unskilled labor.

If employers were not forced to pay a minimum wage they could pay better employees more. In other words, if you work harder and perform better you could move past the entry level wage if the employer were not forced to over pay under performers. If you are not afraid of competition you would want to do away with minimum wage so you could get paid what you are worth.

What will happen to the cost of a fast food cheese burger If you raise minimum wage to an artificial $15.

 

[Billy000]

There is also fundamental you aren't understanding-
MINIMUM WAGE IS NOT INTENDED TO BE A COMFORTABLE LIVING WAGE. It is the entry level wage for low or unskilled labor.

If employers were not forced to pay a minimum wage they could pay better employees more. In other words, if you work harder and perform better you could move past the entry level wage if the employer were not forced to over pay under performers. If you are not afraid of competition you would want to do away with minimum wage so you could get paid what you are worth.

What will happen to the cost of a fast food cheese burger If you raise minimum wage to an artificial $15.

Christ it doesn't fucking matter what it is intended to be. A few bucks an hour more than any state minimum wage still leaves you in poverty. That's the point. Skilled labor means dick nowadays. Skilled jobs pay dick. Skilled jobs in general are extremely competitive. 1/4 of the labor force in this country make less than 10 per hour. Child poverty in the US is the worst out of any other developed country. Is any of this sinking in? You coming up with faux numbers about how many people are in college or high school is stupid, especially considering it is idiotic to think most or even half of high schoolers have jobs.

And let's pretend non skilled workers want to learn new skills. How the fuck are they supposed to pay for it? They are stranded in poverty.