sacrificing Officer Chauvin

[MarcATL]

he didn't abuse anyone------huge drugged up criminal had to be put on the ground for everyone's safety....he couldn't leave him able to roll around getting hit by traffic causing an accident.

Intelligent people should realize that floyd dying is a good thing for society as he won't be attacking anyone else...but yet here come the idiots making this criminal their hero victim even though he was neither. And you guys haven't figured out that this shit causes more crime and that crime is up something like 200%? Wow...

Cite your facts liar.

 

[Meathead]

Officer Chauvin was doing his job arresting a criminal. Officer Chauvin was sacrificed to appease the BLM idiots. these blm idiots were going to go on a rampage if they did not get their way. the idiot nancy pelosi got on her knees again for the blm idiots , babbling inanities. just before the verdict was announced, in Ohio a young black girl attacking other young black women with a knife was shot and killed by police responding to the 911 calls pleading for their help. the blm idiots are up in arms again. again saying when is it going to end, police killing black folks.. these idiots ignore everything else. they only see a black person been killed by police. there are a lot of black people doing well in the USA. many get educated and thru hard work have achieved success in all sectors of US society. They are law abiding citizens. what ever our national history has been no one can deny that things have gotten better for everyone. We as a country are not perfect but thru out the world many people dream about immigrating to the USA, of becoming a US citizen.

Fully agree.

 

[Coyote]

When does "doing his job" become "abuse of force"?

We agree he should have let him up at some point but the lifetime thug had already resisted multiple times. His I cant breathe had started in the police car......

That's the point that counts though. That's is where he let his personal animosity take control and violated procedure and killed a man who did not deserve die.

As a veteran officer, he should have known better. As an officer with numerous complaints against him...he should have been removed before this imo.

 

[surada]

Officer Chauvin was doing his job arresting a criminal. Officer Chauvin was sacrificed to appease the BLM idiots. these blm idiots were going to go on a rampage if they did not get their way. the idiot nancy pelosi got on her knees again for the blm idiots , babbling inanities. just before the verdict was announced, in Ohio a young black girl attacking other young black women with a knife was shot and killed by police responding to the 911 calls pleading for their help. the blm idiots are up in arms again. again saying when is it going to end, police killing black folks.. these idiots ignore everything else. they only see a black person been killed by police. there are a lot of black people doing well in the USA. many get educated and thru hard work have achieved success in all sectors of US society. They are law abiding citizens. what ever our national history has been no one can deny that things have gotten better for everyone. We as a country are not perfect but thru out the world many people dream about immigrating to the USA, of becoming a US citizen.

You need to get up to speed on both stories.

 

[Coyote]

When does "doing his job" become "abuse of force"?

he didn't abuse anyone------huge drugged up criminal had to be put on the ground for everyone's safety....he couldn't leave him able to roll around getting hit by traffic causing an accident.

Intelligent people should realize that floyd dying is a good thing for society as he won't be attacking anyone else...but yet here come the idiots making this criminal their hero victim even though he was neither. And you guys haven't figured out that this shit causes more crime and that crime is up something like 200%? Wow...

He was subdued and cuffed and on the ground flat.

Are you saying the only thing Chauvin could have done was keep a knee on his neck?

No other options...for almost ten minutes?

Why did he continue to do this after the man clearly passed out? Was an unconscious body going to roll around?

You should seriously think this through before your knee jerk defense.

and still resisting....high as hell on drugs, that make you think you are invincible....duh....go sign up to be a cop, or shut your stupid pie hole...

Please explain to us how he can resist when he's passed out.

Thank you.

 

[jbrownson0831]

When does "doing his job" become "abuse of force"?

We agree he should have let him up at some point but the lifetime thug had already resisted multiple times. His I cant breathe had started in the police car......

That's the point that counts though. That's is where he let his personal animosity take control and violated procedure and killed a man who did not deserve die.

As a veteran officer, he should have known better. As an officer with numerous complaints against him...he should have been removed before this imo.

He didn't kill him the drug overdose did. But I agree with you on the rest.

 

[BlueGin]

When does "doing his job" become "abuse of force"?

it didn;t...you are just a 1 sided, biased retarded demonRAT, who only sees what you want....not the TRUTH

Her opinion on this subject is politically motivated.

 

[WTF19]

the best part, is the states telling the communist/demonRATS to go fuck themselves...enacting laws where the average citizen can carry---legally. and shoot your sorry commie asses.....this is a perfect way to tell the communist demonRATS to shit up a rope, and die!!!!!

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

When does "doing his job" become "abuse of force"?

he didn't abuse anyone------huge drugged up criminal had to be put on the ground for everyone's safety....he couldn't leave him able to roll around getting hit by traffic causing an accident.

Intelligent people should realize that floyd dying is a good thing for society as he won't be attacking anyone else...but yet here come the idiots making this criminal their hero victim even though he was neither. And you guys haven't figured out that this shit causes more crime and that crime is up something like 200%? Wow...

The question was...when does "doing his job" become "abuse of force"? Is there any point, for you, as an "intelligent person", where the line is crossed?

This is case in point of either poor training or poor communication of the police force to civilians. How many of us know our rights when it comes to interaction with the police? I would say less than 1%.

 

[dblack]

Officer Chauvin was doing his job arresting a criminal. Officer Chauvin was sacrificed to appease the BLM idiots. these blm idiots were going to go on a rampage if they did not get their way. the idiot nancy pelosi got on her knees again for the blm idiots , babbling inanities. just before the verdict was announced, in Ohio a young black girl attacking other young black women with a knife was shot and killed by police responding to the 911 calls pleading for their help. the blm idiots are up in arms again. again saying when is it going to end, police killing black folks.. these idiots ignore everything else. they only see a black person been killed by police. there are a lot of black people doing well in the USA. many get educated and thru hard work have achieved success in all sectors of US society. They are law abiding citizens. what ever our national history has been no one can deny that things have gotten better for everyone. We as a country are not perfect but thru out the world many people dream about immigrating to the USA, of becoming a US citizen.

Partisan politics drives us to complete idiocy and amorality.

 

[toobfreak]

Officer Chauvin was doing his job arresting a criminal.

That wasn't the testimony of his fellow officers, his supervisor and the Chief of Police.

You can't trust the testimony of anyone in a trial where if you give the wrong unpopular undesired answer, you will get mobbed, attacked and threatened.

 

[task0778]

They used force, when he became violent trying to get out/in the car. A point where judicious use of force was appropriate agree. Though it's also possible that would be a point for de-escalation to be tried, since he was cuffed and unarmed.

Then we get to the point where he STOPPED resisting and the force was continued.

Would you agree that at that point Chauvin violated procedures and it became an unjustified use of force?

I would agree, FWIW. I am not convinced however, that Chauvin should have been found guilty of 2nd degree murder, although I heard yesterday that Chauvin agreed to plead guilty to 3rd degree murder but the prosecutor wanted to go for more. In any case, IMHO Chauvin did cross the line and did use unjustified and excessive force that contributed to Floyd's death. and for that he will pay a heavy price.

I also think it's about time there was an honest investigation into how and why Chauvin was still wearing a badge and a gun after so many allegations and complaints against him.

 

[Coyote]

When does "doing his job" become "abuse of force"?

he didn't abuse anyone------huge drugged up criminal had to be put on the ground for everyone's safety....he couldn't leave him able to roll around getting hit by traffic causing an accident.

Intelligent people should realize that floyd dying is a good thing for society as he won't be attacking anyone else...but yet here come the idiots making this criminal their hero victim even though he was neither. And you guys haven't figured out that this shit causes more crime and that crime is up something like 200%? Wow...

The question was...when does "doing his job" become "abuse of force"? Is there any point, for you, as an "intelligent person", where the line is crossed?

This is case in point of either poor training or poor communication of the police force to civilians. How many of us know our rights when it comes to interaction with the police? I would say less than 1%.

Those of us who watch crime shows probably

But frankly for the average person most don't...

But I don't think in this case it's "poor training" - the man violated his training. I don't know the specifics of the complaints against him prior to this, but if they were in line with abuse of force and training violations, he shouldn't have remained on the force. It's people like that that give the police a bad reputation.

 

[Coyote]

Officer Chauvin was doing his job arresting a criminal.

That wasn't the testimony of his fellow officers, his supervisor and the Chief of Police.

You can't trust the testimony of anyone in a trial where if you give the wrong unpopular undesired answer, you will get mobbed, attacked and threatened.

I don't buy that.

Jurors have faced that before and come up with a fair verdict. Congress faced that Jan. 6th and refused to be intimidated.

If jurors feel they will not be able to do this they can request off the jury.

 

[miketx]

The cop will probably get capped in prison in the first few months.

Hang himself on suicide watch.

 

[WTF19]

When does "doing his job" become "abuse of force"?

he didn't abuse anyone------huge drugged up criminal had to be put on the ground for everyone's safety....he couldn't leave him able to roll around getting hit by traffic causing an accident.

Intelligent people should realize that floyd dying is a good thing for society as he won't be attacking anyone else...but yet here come the idiots making this criminal their hero victim even though he was neither. And you guys haven't figured out that this shit causes more crime and that crime is up something like 200%? Wow...

He was subdued and cuffed and on the ground flat.

Are you saying the only thing Chauvin could have done was keep a knee on his neck?

No other options...for almost ten minutes?

Why did he continue to do this after the man clearly passed out? Was an unconscious body going to roll around?

You should seriously think this through before your knee jerk defense.

and still resisting....high as hell on drugs, that make you think you are invincible....duh....go sign up to be a cop, or shut your stupid pie hole...

Please explain to us how he can resist when he's passed out.

Thank you.

not sure what part you don't understand..... go sign up to be a cop, or shut your stupid pie hole...

 

[WTF19]

When does "doing his job" become "abuse of force"?

he didn't abuse anyone------huge drugged up criminal had to be put on the ground for everyone's safety....he couldn't leave him able to roll around getting hit by traffic causing an accident.

Intelligent people should realize that floyd dying is a good thing for society as he won't be attacking anyone else...but yet here come the idiots making this criminal their hero victim even though he was neither. And you guys haven't figured out that this shit causes more crime and that crime is up something like 200%? Wow...

The question was...when does "doing his job" become "abuse of force"? Is there any point, for you, as an "intelligent person", where the line is crossed?

This is case in point of either poor training or poor communication of the police force to civilians. How many of us know our rights when it comes to interaction with the police? I would say less than 1%.

Those of us who watch crime shows probably

But frankly for the average person most don't...

But I don't think in this case it's "poor training" - the man violated his training. I don't know the specifics of the complaints against him prior to this, but if they were in line with abuse of force and training violations, he shouldn't have remained on the force. It's people like that that give the police a bad reputation.

and its retards like you that give AMERICA a bad name....just saying

 

[WTF19]

When does "doing his job" become "abuse of force"?

it didn;t...you are just a 1 sided, biased retarded demonRAT, who only sees what you want....not the TRUTH

Her opinion on this subject is politically motivated.

and then the retard laughs, because it knows its been had.....

 

[Coyote]

They used force, when he became violent trying to get out/in the car. A point where judicious use of force was appropriate agree. Though it's also possible that would be a point for de-escalation to be tried, since he was cuffed and unarmed.

Then we get to the point where he STOPPED resisting and the force was continued.

Would you agree that at that point Chauvin violated procedures and it became an unjustified use of force?

I would agree, FWIW. I am not convinced however, that Chauvin should have been found guilty of 2nd degree murder, although I heard yesterday that Chauvin agreed to plead guilty to 3rd degree murder but the prosecutor wanted to go for more. In any case, IMHO Chauvin did cross the line and did use unjustified and excessive force that contributed to Floyd's death. and for that he will pay a heavy price.

I also think it's about time there was an honest investigation into how and why Chauvin was still wearing a badge and a gun after so many allegations and complaints against him.

Absolutely - and this goes into the secrecy that often surrounds these things. I understand why every complaint can't be made public (many probably have no merit) - but there should be a process where by those that do have meaningful consequences and are transparent to the public.

I think there is some confusion too about what constitutes 1st, 2nd, 3rd, degree murder. I always thought that murder required intent, and homicide and manslaughter was for those that were not intentional but that was simplistic plus of course it varies by state.

But when I looked it up, this is what I found:

Differences Between Murder Charges

To help make sense of the degrees of murder, we're going to start with the most serious crime in the murder spectrum. We will also pinpoint exactly what differs between a first-, second-, and third-degree murder (or manslaughter) charge.​

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First-Degree Murder​

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First-degree murder usually falls into one of the following two categories:​

• Premeditated, intentional killings (like stalking someone before murdering them)
  • Felony murder

Second-Degree Murder​

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Second-degree murder is generally either:​

• An unplanned, intentional killing (reacting in the heat of the moment when angry)
  • A death caused by a reckless disregard for human life

The Difference Between First and Second-Degree Murder​

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Putting aside felony murder, the real difference between first and second-degree murder is the intent or mindset the defendant had when they took the action they did.​

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Third Degree Murder/Manslaughter​

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Third-degree murder (also called manslaughter) is an unplanned, unintentional killing that is not part of another felony. It can be either:​

• Involuntary (you fall and push someone off a ledge by accident)
  • Voluntary (you punch someone and unintentionally kill them)

The Difference Between First-, Second- and Third-Degree Murder​

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The biggest difference between third-degree murder and the other two is that it is not planned, and it doesn't rise to the level of reckless disregard for human life. In the eyes of the law, a person committing third-degree murder still shows ill will toward someone else by harming them.​

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Whether someone intends some harm but not death or there is an accident, they can still face manslaughter charges if someone dies because of their actions.​

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Third-degree murder charges only exist in three states: Pennsylvania, Florida, and Minnesota. Every other state uses the charges of manslaughter.​

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Degrees of Intent Between Murder Charges​

First-degree murder requires that a person (called the defendant) plan and intentionally carry out the killing. In contrast, second-degree murder requires that the killing either be intentional or reckless and occur in the spur of the moment.​

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Taking the time to plan another person's death is arguably a more serious crime.​

​

There is also "adequate justification," which can change how murder is charged.​

 

[Coyote]

When does "doing his job" become "abuse of force"?

he didn't abuse anyone------huge drugged up criminal had to be put on the ground for everyone's safety....he couldn't leave him able to roll around getting hit by traffic causing an accident.

Intelligent people should realize that floyd dying is a good thing for society as he won't be attacking anyone else...but yet here come the idiots making this criminal their hero victim even though he was neither. And you guys haven't figured out that this shit causes more crime and that crime is up something like 200%? Wow...

He was subdued and cuffed and on the ground flat.

Are you saying the only thing Chauvin could have done was keep a knee on his neck?

No other options...for almost ten minutes?

Why did he continue to do this after the man clearly passed out? Was an unconscious body going to roll around?

You should seriously think this through before your knee jerk defense.

and still resisting....high as hell on drugs, that make you think you are invincible....duh....go sign up to be a cop, or shut your stupid pie hole...

Please explain to us how he can resist when he's passed out.

Thank you.

not sure what part you don't understand..... go sign up to be a cop, or shut your stupid pie hole...

You don't seem to have answered the question. Is this an English comprehension problem or a brain problem?

Are you a cop?