Sanders: Universal Healthcare and Free College Aren’t Radical Ideas, They Are ‘Human Rights’

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U.S. Uncut ^ | September 27, 2015 | Hugh Wharton
This interview is amazing.As the Bernie Sanders campaign surges, the socialist senator continues to bring the national conversation back from the right after 30 years of bellicose class war rhetoric. In the clip below, he shames those (including Jeb Bush) who would cut taxes for the rich while stripping Social Security. Sanders states clearly that every other industrialized country invests in their own citizens and children and it’s high time that we followed suit. While Sanders is heavily-criticized for identifying as a democratic socialist, he embraces the label. Sanders says countries that abide by the principles of democratic socialism, like...

Pathetic strawman OP from the king of the dimwits.

 

[Stephanie]

Just what we need to put more OF OUR LIVES in the hands of these elected asses.
No wonder they are eager to take it over eh? as if OScamCare wasn't enough. We get raped from every Government agency. this Fed is TOO BIG

SNIP:
Improper Payments Across Government Agencies Hit 124.7 Billion in 2014
Medicare, Medicaid among programs blamed for $19 billion increase



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BY: Joe Schoffstall
October 2, 2015 4:45 pm


Improper payments across federal government agencies are estimated to have hit $124.7 billion last year, according to a new government report.

The Government Accountability Office (GAO) released a report Thursday addressing improper payments made by 124 programs across 22 government agencies, actions that are considered a pervasive government-wide issue. The watchdog estimates that such improper payments throughout the federal agencies totaled $124.7 billion in fiscal year 2014, an increase of nearly $19 billion from fiscal year 2013.

“The federal government continues to face an unsustainable long-term fiscal path. Changing this path will require difficult fiscal policy decisions to alter both long-term federal spending and revenue,” the report states. “In the near term, executive branch agencies and Congress can take action to improve the government’s fiscal position by addressing two long-standing issues—improper payments and the tax gap. Over time, these issues involve amounts near or exceeding $1 trillion.”

According to the GAO, the significant increase of improper payments between fiscal years 2013 and 2014 is mainly attributed to Medicare, Medicaid, and Earned Income Tax programs. These three areas accounted for 75 percent of all improper payments, with Medicare-related programs responsible for $59.9 billion (48 percent) in improper payments as the Earned Income Tax Credit added $17.7 billion (14.2 percent). Additionally, Medicaid contributed $17.5 billion (17.5 percent) in such payments while all other government programs accounted for $29.6 billion (23.7 percent).

The amount federal agencies have made in improper payments has drastically increased over the past decade, according to data within the report.

During fiscal year 2003, when the GAO first began tracking such figures, it was estimated that improper payments totaled $35 billion. This figure is $89.7 billion less than last year’s $124.7 billion—the highest on record.

The root causes of improper payments were said to stem from administrative and documentation errors, authentication, and medical necessity errors, verification errors, and fraud.


Improper Payments Across Government Agencies Hit 124.7 Billion in 2014

 

[Disir]

The solution is simple, and obvious to me. Just issue vouchers. Issue every child a school voucher. Then if vo-tech is the way to go, or trade-skill is the way to go, then they can take that voucher to the whatever school they want. Their parents can make up whatever difference.

You act like people don't know how to do this... what are you smoking?

When I worked at Columbus Cadillac in down town Columbus Ohio, we had a guy work the car wash, who used his money to get trained in welding. He's now a master welder for a big name company. He's doing just fine.

Come on people.... Work... earn money... pay for education. You don't need a Ph.D in self improvement to do this.

This couple came here from Laos, got training in CNC machining, while working crappy jobs in fast food joints. Now they make $100K together.

This isn't super hard. You just have to do it. It takes time, effort, and attitude. You have an entitlement belief system, and you'll never make it anywhere. People who think they should be given stuff because "I'm an American, and I deserve everything because Sanders said I was entitled to it......" and you are going to end up a train wreck.

The voucher program is a rip off. I'm over every little jack off coming along to rip off the public education system---which is, I remind you, for the public.

The mantra is that you can send your kids to a private school like the rich people.

Then they give you a voucher that wouldn't buy lunch in a real private school.

Here's the problem....

You are looking at a system that has eliminated the market for low-end private schools.

This is common in any market with government involvement.

For example, the cost of private health insurance in the UK, is extremely high. Why? Because there is no market for low-end insurance. The poor and middle class, sit in line at the public health clinics for free. Why buy insurance?

So only the rich buy health insurance, and of course the rich want the highest possible care, which is a high price. So only high priced insurance exists.

For example, in New York in the 70s, only high end luxury apartments were for rent. Same happened in Israel. Why? Because subsidized low-cost apartments killed the market. Why build low cost apartments, when the government would undercut your price for a better quality apartment? So instead, only luxury apartments were built and offered for rent.

When government offers the low end at a subsidized price, no one is going to pay for a low end.

James Tooley on Private Schools for the Poor and the Beautiful Tree | EconTalk | Library of Economics and Liberty

So this guy James Tooley, professor of education at Harvard, was walking around in India, in the poorest slums of India, and discovered a private pay-for-service, Capitalist based school for the poor. Entirely private, no government money involved.

Then he found another, and another and entire networks of private, poor-service pay-for-service private schools.

When there is a market, then someone will serve that market. But there has to be a market. In India, there is a market.

Same with Chile. Chile has a private pay-for-service school system. And while there are of course high-end expensive elite schools, there are also low-end cheap schools that serve the lowest income people of Chile.

So here is my response to you...... I think this is a win for you and a win for everyone else.

Allow Vouchers. Every Student get's a voucher. Allow unregulated education. Anyone can open a school.

Allow the public to choose where, and who, gets their money.

If you are right, and there is no one able to pay for a private school with the voucher, then they end up at the public schools as they would anyway, without the voucher.

What have you lost? Nothing. You are back in the same schools you'd be stuck in, under the current system.

However, if there is a private school that you want to send your kids to, and you might be able to send your kids there by adding some of your own money to the voucher, why not? Called "choice". Right? No big deal.

And then possibly in the future when there is a market for low-cost education, there will be people to fill that need. But you can't have the government eliminate the market, and then be shocked no one serves that market. Does that make sense?

Do you know what is lovely about economics? It's all theory. Every single bit of it. It's the softest science there is. Right now you have a lot of people on the Right who reflexively scream socialist and that fits you just fine and it fits the Democrats just fine too. They might have to answer for Obama, Arne Duncan, and Rahm Emanuel and a host of others. Keep the eye on the other team is the motto. They haven't been told how to respond yet. I have perfect faith that the public will see that what this amounts to is at best burglary and at worst robbery and they won't give a damn which team anyone is on.
Vouchers on the Move: Return to School Segregation?
Voucher program failure in Arizona.
Arizona’s Magic Private School Tax Credits Don’t Work

Nothing in DC or Wisconsin:

Not even Wolf’s evaluations have shown any test score advantage for students who get vouchers, whether in DC or Milwaukee. This is the DC final-year evaluation. The main finding of the final-year evaluation: “There is no conclusive evidence that the OSP [Opportunity Scholarship Program] affected student achievement.” Remember that boosters for vouchers seldom use the V word; they prefer the euphemism “opportunity scholarship.” The family gets an “opportunity” to take their child from a public school, where he or she has low test scores, to a private or religious school, where he or she will also have low test scores.

The Wolf evaluations claim an advantage for voucher students in graduation rates. But consider this. In Milwaukee, according to this analysis (see the summary here) of Wolf’s evaluation, 75% of the students who started in a voucher school left before graduation. So of the 25% who persisted, the graduation rate was higher than the Milwaukee public schools. But what about the 75% who dropped out and/or returned to MPS? No one knows.

The Milwaukee voucher schools have never outperformed the public schools on state tests: See here and here. The only dispute about test scores is whether voucher students are doing the same or worse than their peers in public schools.
Vouchers Don't Work: Evidence from Milwaukee

Louisiana:

In New Orleans, voucher students who struggle academically haven’t advanced to grade-level work any faster over the past two years than students in the public schools, many of which are rated D or F, state data show.

And across Louisiana, many of the most popular private schools for voucher students posted miserable scores in math, reading, science and social studies this spring, with fewer than half their voucher students achieving even basic proficiency and fewer than 2 percent demonstrating mastery. Seven schools did so badly, state Superintendent John White barred them from accepting new voucher students — though the state agreed to keep paying tuition for the more than 200 voucher students already enrolled, if they chose to stay.
Read more: Vouchers don't do much for students

And lovely Ohio:
Nine of the 17 schools that closed in 2013 lasted only a few months this past fall. When they closed, more than 250 students had to find new schools. The state spent more than $1.6 million in taxpayer money to keep the nine schools open only from August through October or November.

But while 2013 was unusual, closings are not rare. A Dispatch analysis of state data found that 29 percent of Ohio’s charter schools have shut, dating to 1997 when the publicly funded but often privately run schools became legal in Ohio. Nearly 400 currently are operating, about 75 of them in Columbus.

It took 15 years for Ohio’s list of closed charters to reach 134; then that number grew by almost 13 percent last year from charters closing in Columbus alone.
Columbus has 17 charter school failures in one year

The report, titled “The Tip of the Iceberg: Charter School Vulnerabilities To Waste, Fraud, And Abuse,” was released jointly by the nonprofit organizations Alliance to Reclaim Our Schools and the Center for Popular Democracy. It follows a similar report released a year ago by the same groups that detailed $136 million in fraud and waste and mismanagement in 15 of the 42 states that operate charter schools. The 2015 report cites $203 million, including the 2014 total plus $23 million in new cases, and $44 million in earlier cases not included in last year’s report.

It notes that these figures only represent fraud and waste in the charter sector uncovered so far, and that the total that federal, state and local governments “stand to lose” in 2015 is probably more than $1.4 billion. It says, “The vast majority of the fraud perpetrated by charter officials will go undetected because the federal government, the states, and local charter authorizers lack the oversight necessary to detect the fraud.”
Report: Millions of dollars in fraud, waste found in charter school sector

You can read that actual report here:
http://populardemocracy.org/sites/default/files/Charter-Schools-National-Report_rev2.pdf

You may find this report interesting as well:
CMD Publishes Full List of 2,500 Closed Charter Schools (with Interactive Map)

It's not just a failure in the US. It's a failure in Chile. The Chicago Boys should have been put down. It's been such a failure that Chile has been forced to make changes.
Neoliberal education and student movements in Chile: Inequalities and malaise | Cristian Cabalin - Academia.edu
Vallas' reforms in Chile lead to major protests - Substance News

None of what you presented changed anything I said. All you are doing is pointing out the flaws. Well crap, have you seen our public schools? They massive flaws. I know, I went through them.

If you are going to say a system is bad because it has flaws, then there are no good systems anywhere.

Fact is, Chile has a better education system than any of the countries around it. Just a fact.

It changes everything. De facto caste system. Simply because you attended a school does not mean that all schools are bad. Subjective reasoning doesn't get it. The reality is that it amounts to, at best, burglary, and, at worst, robbery.

Public school systems k-12 take all kids. Your little charter schools can't handle that. There is not too much that your little charter schools can handle. It's why they are failures. For higher education there is a drop of who attends and who doesn't. They aren't taking all of those kids. Now they are competing. It's not enough for you to have your for profit schools stand on their own. You need to destroy what is clearly for the public so that your for profit schools can exist.

Chile has a shit education system because it is a very clear two tier system and this is why there were solid protests from 2008-2011 and then again the last two years. It is so bad that one of the demands is that your little private schools can no longer take public money.

There is going to come a point, and it's coming make no mistake, when the Americans realize that your nothing but thieves and they won't give a damn what team your on.

 

[Disir]

Well of course I won't go along with "FREE" college. I'm not sending some kid to school to be a doctor, pay for his education, and when I need somebody to look at my bruised elbow, he's going to charge me $300.00 to boot.

That doesn't make any sense. It costs $300,000 for the first 4 years +3 years of medical school and then they have 1-5 years residency. They don't start working until around age 30. Right now acquiring the degree is cost prohibitive. The fewer doctors that you have the more expensive they are---which is exactly why the AMA decided to limit access to begin with. Right now the deciding factor to become a doctor is if your family can afford the tuition for the most part or how much you want to screw yourself in the future...........not talent.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Well of course I won't go along with "FREE" college. I'm not sending some kid to school to be a doctor, pay for his education, and when I need somebody to look at my bruised elbow, he's going to charge me $300.00 to boot.

That doesn't make any sense. It costs $300,000 for the first 4 years +3 years of medical school and then they have 1-5 years residency. They don't start working until around age 30. Right now acquiring the degree is cost prohibitive. The fewer doctors that you have the more expensive they are---which is exactly why the AMA decided to limit access to begin with. Right now the deciding factor to become a doctor is if your family can afford the tuition for the most part or how much you want to screw yourself in the future...........not talent.

I have no complaints about what medical personnel make now because I know of their financial investment. But I would have a problem if I paid for their education with my tax dollars and they were able to become wealthy very quickly due to their fees. After college, it's all profit from there if they have no college loans to repay.

 

[Disir]

Well of course I won't go along with "FREE" college. I'm not sending some kid to school to be a doctor, pay for his education, and when I need somebody to look at my bruised elbow, he's going to charge me $300.00 to boot.

That doesn't make any sense. It costs $300,000 for the first 4 years +3 years of medical school and then they have 1-5 years residency. They don't start working until around age 30. Right now acquiring the degree is cost prohibitive. The fewer doctors that you have the more expensive they are---which is exactly why the AMA decided to limit access to begin with. Right now the deciding factor to become a doctor is if your family can afford the tuition for the most part or how much you want to screw yourself in the future...........not talent.

I have no complaints about what medical personnel make now because I know of their financial investment. But I would have a problem if I paid for their education with my tax dollars and they were able to become wealthy very quickly due to their fees. After college, it's all profit from there if they have no college loans to repay.

They pay close to $3,000 in student loans a month. They are on call and depending on location might score one or two days off a month. Many of them don't have a family life, don't make the money and don't do a lot of stuff. It isn't worth it to even go. People can't afford to go to the doctor or hospital now.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Well of course I won't go along with "FREE" college. I'm not sending some kid to school to be a doctor, pay for his education, and when I need somebody to look at my bruised elbow, he's going to charge me $300.00 to boot.

That doesn't make any sense. It costs $300,000 for the first 4 years +3 years of medical school and then they have 1-5 years residency. They don't start working until around age 30. Right now acquiring the degree is cost prohibitive. The fewer doctors that you have the more expensive they are---which is exactly why the AMA decided to limit access to begin with. Right now the deciding factor to become a doctor is if your family can afford the tuition for the most part or how much you want to screw yourself in the future...........not talent.

I have no complaints about what medical personnel make now because I know of their financial investment. But I would have a problem if I paid for their education with my tax dollars and they were able to become wealthy very quickly due to their fees. After college, it's all profit from there if they have no college loans to repay.

They pay close to $3,000 in student loans a month. They are on call and depending on location might score one or two days off a month. Many of them don't have a family life, don't make the money and don't do a lot of stuff. It isn't worth it to even go. People can't afford to go to the doctor or hospital now.

Tell me about it. I'm having some heart problems now and what they charge is outrageous. Just to see a cardiologist costs $750.00 a visit, and he doesn't even do much. Checks my blood pressure, pulse and listens to my heart. Then we talk for about ten minutes, he types in some stuff into his computer and that's it.

I bought insurance before this all started and now I'm fighting between them and the Clinic. They tell me I'm covered but when the Clinic calls for preauthorization, they tell them I'm not. It's a nightmare. I'm almost ready to lean towards Socialized medical care. This is expensive, a hassle and takes up hours of my time.

 

[Disir]

Well of course I won't go along with "FREE" college. I'm not sending some kid to school to be a doctor, pay for his education, and when I need somebody to look at my bruised elbow, he's going to charge me $300.00 to boot.

That doesn't make any sense. It costs $300,000 for the first 4 years +3 years of medical school and then they have 1-5 years residency. They don't start working until around age 30. Right now acquiring the degree is cost prohibitive. The fewer doctors that you have the more expensive they are---which is exactly why the AMA decided to limit access to begin with. Right now the deciding factor to become a doctor is if your family can afford the tuition for the most part or how much you want to screw yourself in the future...........not talent.

I have no complaints about what medical personnel make now because I know of their financial investment. But I would have a problem if I paid for their education with my tax dollars and they were able to become wealthy very quickly due to their fees. After college, it's all profit from there if they have no college loans to repay.

They pay close to $3,000 in student loans a month. They are on call and depending on location might score one or two days off a month. Many of them don't have a family life, don't make the money and don't do a lot of stuff. It isn't worth it to even go. People can't afford to go to the doctor or hospital now.

Tell me about it. I'm having some heart problems now and what they charge is outrageous. Just to see a cardiologist costs $750.00 a visit, and he doesn't even do much. Checks my blood pressure, pulse and listens to my heart. Then we talk for about ten minutes, he types in some stuff into his computer and that's it.

I bought insurance before this all started and now I'm fighting between them and the Clinic. They tell me I'm covered but when the Clinic calls for preauthorization, they tell them I'm not. It's a nightmare. I'm almost ready to lean towards Socialized medical care. This is expensive, a hassle and takes up hours of my time.

It is absolutely ridiculous. Health care is a nightmare. I have to ask, who and what are we defending? We can't access it and what we do have are crumbs. It costs more for us to have less. It is insane.

 

[dblack]

Well of course I won't go along with "FREE" college. I'm not sending some kid to school to be a doctor, pay for his education, and when I need somebody to look at my bruised elbow, he's going to charge me $300.00 to boot.

That doesn't make any sense. It costs $300,000 for the first 4 years +3 years of medical school and then they have 1-5 years residency. They don't start working until around age 30. Right now acquiring the degree is cost prohibitive. The fewer doctors that you have the more expensive they are---which is exactly why the AMA decided to limit access to begin with. Right now the deciding factor to become a doctor is if your family can afford the tuition for the most part or how much you want to screw yourself in the future...........not talent.

I have no complaints about what medical personnel make now because I know of their financial investment. But I would have a problem if I paid for their education with my tax dollars and they were able to become wealthy very quickly due to their fees. After college, it's all profit from there if they have no college loans to repay.

They pay close to $3,000 in student loans a month. They are on call and depending on location might score one or two days off a month. Many of them don't have a family life, don't make the money and don't do a lot of stuff. It isn't worth it to even go. People can't afford to go to the doctor or hospital now.

Tell me about it. I'm having some heart problems now and what they charge is outrageous. Just to see a cardiologist costs $750.00 a visit, and he doesn't even do much. Checks my blood pressure, pulse and listens to my heart. Then we talk for about ten minutes, he types in some stuff into his computer and that's it.

I bought insurance before this all started and now I'm fighting between them and the Clinic. They tell me I'm covered but when the Clinic calls for preauthorization, they tell them I'm not. It's a nightmare. I'm almost ready to lean towards Socialized medical care. This is expensive, a hassle and takes up hours of my time.

It is absolutely ridiculous. Health care is a nightmare. I have to ask, who and what are we defending? We can't access it and what we do have are crumbs. It costs more for us to have less. It is insane.

It's the classic trap of classic trap of abusing the power of democracy. We convince ourselves we can solve our problems by giving government more power, but that's not always the case. When we apply that power to problems that aren't appropriate for government to solve, we simply create more problems.

 

[Disir]

That doesn't make any sense. It costs $300,000 for the first 4 years +3 years of medical school and then they have 1-5 years residency. They don't start working until around age 30. Right now acquiring the degree is cost prohibitive. The fewer doctors that you have the more expensive they are---which is exactly why the AMA decided to limit access to begin with. Right now the deciding factor to become a doctor is if your family can afford the tuition for the most part or how much you want to screw yourself in the future...........not talent.

I have no complaints about what medical personnel make now because I know of their financial investment. But I would have a problem if I paid for their education with my tax dollars and they were able to become wealthy very quickly due to their fees. After college, it's all profit from there if they have no college loans to repay.

They pay close to $3,000 in student loans a month. They are on call and depending on location might score one or two days off a month. Many of them don't have a family life, don't make the money and don't do a lot of stuff. It isn't worth it to even go. People can't afford to go to the doctor or hospital now.

Tell me about it. I'm having some heart problems now and what they charge is outrageous. Just to see a cardiologist costs $750.00 a visit, and he doesn't even do much. Checks my blood pressure, pulse and listens to my heart. Then we talk for about ten minutes, he types in some stuff into his computer and that's it.

I bought insurance before this all started and now I'm fighting between them and the Clinic. They tell me I'm covered but when the Clinic calls for preauthorization, they tell them I'm not. It's a nightmare. I'm almost ready to lean towards Socialized medical care. This is expensive, a hassle and takes up hours of my time.

It is absolutely ridiculous. Health care is a nightmare. I have to ask, who and what are we defending? We can't access it and what we do have are crumbs. It costs more for us to have less. It is insane.

It's the classic trap of classic trap of abusing the power of democracy. We convince ourselves we can solve our problems by giving government more power, but that's not always the case. When we apply that power to problems that aren't appropriate for government to solve, we simply create more problems.

That sounds pretty on paper but does not address the issues.

 

[SAYIT]

...Governments all over the world deliver Healthcare and Education cheaper and better than the fiasco that exists in US...

Typical whiny, sniveling loony leftist BS.
Between 2010 and 2012, 130,000 Canadians - one of only a handful of countries with single-payer gov't coverage (and one of the best) - came to the US for medical care. They didn't come here because Canada's healthcare system is soooo much better than ours.

In fact, Sally C. Pipes, President, CEO, and Taube Fellow in Health Care Studies at the Pacific Research Institute testifying before the US Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions said the exact opposite of what you falsely claim (not that facts will ever change your baseless POV):

http://www.help.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Pipes.pdf

I am Sally C. Pipes, the President, CEO, and Taube Fellow in Health Care Studies at the Pacific Research Institute, a non-profit think tank based in San Francisco that's dedicated to advancing opportunity for all people through free-market policy solutions.

I'm going to focus my remarks on Canada's single-payer, "Medicare-for-All" system -- a system with which I am intimately familiar, as a native of Canada.

Many healthcare reform advocates, political pundits, and policymakers point to Canada as a shining example of the advantages of a state-run, single-payer healthcare system.

Canada is, in fact, one of only a handful of countries with a bona fide single-payer system. Government officials set the total budget for what can be spent on health care every year.

This is the sort of system that many are calling for here in the United States. They want to abolish private insurance and leave government as the sole source of health coverage.

But the Canadian system is one that would not be suitable for America. Officials severely restrict patient access to care. And those restrictions saddle patients and their families with massive monetary and non-monetary costs.

Or, to frame this in the terms of the title of this hearing: If you're looking for lessons from healthcare systems abroad, Canada shows us exactly what not to do.

 

[Disir]

The Pacific Research Institute (PRI), officially the "Pacific Research Institute for Public Policy," is a think tank founded in 1979 whose stated vision is the promotion of "the principles of individual freedom and personal responsibility. The Institute believes these principles are best encouraged through policies that emphasize a free economy, private initiative, and limited government." The institute is a 501(c)3 non-profit corporation, and had $4.8 million in revenue in 2012.[1] The Pacific Research Institute has associated with other think-tanks like the American Enterprise Institute and the Cato Institute, including filing joint briefs in major legal cases.

PRI has received over $1.6 million in donations from the Koch family foundations since 1986, $1.5 million from the Koch conduits DonorsTrust and Donors Capital Fund, and millions from other right-wing foundations, including the Sarah Scaife Foundation, the Searle Freedom Trust, and the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation.
Pacific Research Institute - SourceWatch

Pacific Research Institute. Now there is a trusted source.

 

[SAYIT]

The Pacific Research Institute (PRI), officially the "Pacific Research Institute for Public Policy," is a think tank founded in 1979 whose stated vision is the promotion of "the principles of individual freedom and personal responsibility. The Institute believes these principles are best encouraged through policies that emphasize a free economy, private initiative, and limited government." The institute is a 501(c)3 non-profit corporation, and had $4.8 million in revenue in 2012.[1] The Pacific Research Institute has associated with other think-tanks like the American Enterprise Institute and the Cato Institute, including filing joint briefs in major legal cases.

PRI has received over $1.6 million in donations from the Koch family foundations since 1986, $1.5 million from the Koch conduits DonorsTrust and Donors Capital Fund, and millions from other right-wing foundations, including the Sarah Scaife Foundation, the Searle Freedom Trust, and the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation.
Pacific Research Institute - SourceWatch

Pacific Research Institute. Now there is a trusted source.

So can you explain why Canadians who can afford to opt out of their national system and come to the US for health care do so?

The US Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions thought enough of Pipes to hear her testimony on the not-so-wonderfulness of gov't run healthcare. Just because she doesn't work at Socialists-R-Us doesn't mean she doesn't know her stuff.
In fact ...

 

[Disir]

The Pacific Research Institute (PRI), officially the "Pacific Research Institute for Public Policy," is a think tank founded in 1979 whose stated vision is the promotion of "the principles of individual freedom and personal responsibility. The Institute believes these principles are best encouraged through policies that emphasize a free economy, private initiative, and limited government." The institute is a 501(c)3 non-profit corporation, and had $4.8 million in revenue in 2012.[1] The Pacific Research Institute has associated with other think-tanks like the American Enterprise Institute and the Cato Institute, including filing joint briefs in major legal cases.

PRI has received over $1.6 million in donations from the Koch family foundations since 1986, $1.5 million from the Koch conduits DonorsTrust and Donors Capital Fund, and millions from other right-wing foundations, including the Sarah Scaife Foundation, the Searle Freedom Trust, and the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation.
Pacific Research Institute - SourceWatch

Pacific Research Institute. Now there is a trusted source.

So can you explain why Canadians who can afford to opt out of their national system and come to the US for health care do so?

The US Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions thought enough of Pipes to hear her testimony on the not-so-wonderfulness of gov't run healthcare. Just because she doesn't work at Socialists-R-Us doesn't mean she doesn't know her stuff.
In fact ...

Americans Who've Used Canada's Health-Care System Respond to Current Big-Lie Media Campaign

 

[Contumacious]

U.S. Uncut ^ | September 27, 2015 | Hugh Wharton
This interview is amazing.As the Bernie Sanders campaign surges, the socialist senator continues to bring the national conversation back from the right after 30 years of bellicose class war rhetoric. In the clip below, he shames those (including Jeb Bush) who would cut taxes for the rich while stripping Social Security. Sanders states clearly that every other industrialized country invests in their own citizens and children and it’s high time that we followed suit. While Sanders is heavily-criticized for identifying as a democratic socialist, he embraces the label. Sanders says countries that abide by the principles of democratic socialism, like...

But Americans are narcotized .


The Parasitic movement created by FDR and the "progressives" constitute a political majority. They vote , early and often.


The parasites will manipulate government into considering Universal Healthcare and Free College as human rights while destroying the right to property . Taxpayers and producers will work for a living only to see their income confiscated by the parasitic element.


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[Vigilante]

 

[SAYIT]

...Pacific Research Institute. Now there is a trusted source.

So can you explain why Canadians who can afford to opt out of their national system and come to the US for health care do so?

The US Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions thought enough of Pipes to hear her testimony on the not-so-wonderfulness of gov't run healthcare. Just because she doesn't work at Socialists-R-Us doesn't mean she doesn't know her stuff.
In fact ...

Americans Who've Used Canada's Health-Care System Respond to Current Big-Lie Media Campaign

A couple of personal anecdotes are sweet but hardly proof that a gov't single-payer system is better as Cowboy Ted claimed, that it is best for the US as many claim, nor does it explain why so many Canadians come to the US for their medical care.

If Canada is so much better, why do they come here and why is Canadian dissatisfaction with their system rising?

Almost 90% of Canadians want health-care complaint line: survey

"A wave of discontent with the nation’s health-care system is sweeping across Canada, with the vast majority of Canadians revealing they feel like outsiders who are powerless to influence their own health care...

An Ipsos Reid survey, commissioned by the Canadian Medical Association and due to be released Monday at the organization’s annual general council meeting in St. John’s, N.L., shows that public satisfaction with the health system continues to slide."

 

[Disir]

...Pacific Research Institute. Now there is a trusted source.

So can you explain why Canadians who can afford to opt out of their national system and come to the US for health care do so?

The US Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions thought enough of Pipes to hear her testimony on the not-so-wonderfulness of gov't run healthcare. Just because she doesn't work at Socialists-R-Us doesn't mean she doesn't know her stuff.
In fact ...

Americans Who've Used Canada's Health-Care System Respond to Current Big-Lie Media Campaign

A couple of personal anecdotes are sweet but hardly proof that a gov't single-payer system is better as Cowboy Ted claimed, that it is best for the US as many claim, nor does it explain why so many Canadians come to the US for their medical care.

If Canada is so much better, why do they come here and why is Canadian dissatisfaction with their system rising?

Almost 90% of Canadians want health-care complaint line: survey

"A wave of discontent with the nation’s health-care system is sweeping across Canada, with the vast majority of Canadians revealing they feel like outsiders who are powerless to influence their own health care...

An Ipsos Reid survey, commissioned by the Canadian Medical Association and due to be released Monday at the organization’s annual general council meeting in St. John’s, N.L., shows that public satisfaction with the health system continues to slide."

The CMA has two subsidiaries: MD Financial Management and NewCo.

MD Financial Management is a wealth management firm wholly owned by the CMA. MD helps clients build wealth and capitalize on opportunities that ensure they meet their personal and professional goals. MD Financial Management includes MD Financial Management Inc., MD Management Limited, MD Private Trust Company, MD Life Insurance Company and MD Insurance Agency Limited.

NewCo is the temporary name of a new wholly owned CMA subsidiary. It was created on September 1, 2014. This subsidiary delivers information and knowledge products and services. NewCo includes the Canadian Medical Association Journal and PMI physician leadership courses. It also includes clinical tools such as DynaMed, RxTx and POEMs. NewCo also includes Conjoint Accreditation Services, which upholds national standards for the education of health professionals. NewCo is registered to conduct business as 8872147 Canada Inc. It will be formally launched with a permanent name and brand later in 2015.
Canadian Medical Association - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[SAYIT]

...Pacific Research Institute. Now there is a trusted source.

So can you explain why Canadians who can afford to opt out of their national system and come to the US for health care do so?

The US Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions thought enough of Pipes to hear her testimony on the not-so-wonderfulness of gov't run healthcare. Just because she doesn't work at Socialists-R-Us doesn't mean she doesn't know her stuff.
In fact ...

Americans Who've Used Canada's Health-Care System Respond to Current Big-Lie Media Campaign

A couple of personal anecdotes are sweet but hardly proof that a gov't single-payer system is better as Cowboy Ted claimed, that it is best for the US as many claim, nor does it explain why so many Canadians come to the US for their medical care.

If Canada is so much better, why do they come here and why is Canadian dissatisfaction with their system rising?

Almost 90% of Canadians want health-care complaint line: survey

"A wave of discontent with the nation’s health-care system is sweeping across Canada, with the vast majority of Canadians revealing they feel like outsiders who are powerless to influence their own health care...

An Ipsos Reid survey, commissioned by the Canadian Medical Association and due to be released Monday at the organization’s annual general council meeting in St. John’s, N.L., shows that public satisfaction with the health system continues to slide."

The CMA has two subsidiaries: MD Financial Management and NewCo.

MD Financial Management is a wealth management firm wholly owned by the CMA. MD helps clients build wealth and capitalize on opportunities that ensure they meet their personal and professional goals. MD Financial Management includes MD Financial Management Inc., MD Management Limited, MD Private Trust Company, MD Life Insurance Company and MD Insurance Agency Limited.

NewCo is the temporary name of a new wholly owned CMA subsidiary. It was created on September 1, 2014. This subsidiary delivers information and knowledge products and services. NewCo includes the Canadian Medical Association Journal and PMI physician leadership courses. It also includes clinical tools such as DynaMed, RxTx and POEMs. NewCo also includes Conjoint Accreditation Services, which upholds national standards for the education of health professionals. NewCo is registered to conduct business as 8872147 Canada Inc. It will be formally launched with a permanent name and brand later in 2015.
Canadian Medical Association - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You continue to wiggle and squirm but have yet to explain why so many Canadians come to the US for medical treatment or the rising dissatisfaction with their gov't run healthcare system.

 

[Disir]

...Pacific Research Institute. Now there is a trusted source.

So can you explain why Canadians who can afford to opt out of their national system and come to the US for health care do so?

The US Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions thought enough of Pipes to hear her testimony on the not-so-wonderfulness of gov't run healthcare. Just because she doesn't work at Socialists-R-Us doesn't mean she doesn't know her stuff.
In fact ...

Americans Who've Used Canada's Health-Care System Respond to Current Big-Lie Media Campaign

A couple of personal anecdotes are sweet but hardly proof that a gov't single-payer system is better as Cowboy Ted claimed, that it is best for the US as many claim, nor does it explain why so many Canadians come to the US for their medical care.

If Canada is so much better, why do they come here and why is Canadian dissatisfaction with their system rising?

Almost 90% of Canadians want health-care complaint line: survey

"A wave of discontent with the nation’s health-care system is sweeping across Canada, with the vast majority of Canadians revealing they feel like outsiders who are powerless to influence their own health care...

An Ipsos Reid survey, commissioned by the Canadian Medical Association and due to be released Monday at the organization’s annual general council meeting in St. John’s, N.L., shows that public satisfaction with the health system continues to slide."

The CMA has two subsidiaries: MD Financial Management and NewCo.

MD Financial Management is a wealth management firm wholly owned by the CMA. MD helps clients build wealth and capitalize on opportunities that ensure they meet their personal and professional goals. MD Financial Management includes MD Financial Management Inc., MD Management Limited, MD Private Trust Company, MD Life Insurance Company and MD Insurance Agency Limited.

NewCo is the temporary name of a new wholly owned CMA subsidiary. It was created on September 1, 2014. This subsidiary delivers information and knowledge products and services. NewCo includes the Canadian Medical Association Journal and PMI physician leadership courses. It also includes clinical tools such as DynaMed, RxTx and POEMs. NewCo also includes Conjoint Accreditation Services, which upholds national standards for the education of health professionals. NewCo is registered to conduct business as 8872147 Canada Inc. It will be formally launched with a permanent name and brand later in 2015.
Canadian Medical Association - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You continue to wiggle and squirm but have yet to explain why so many Canadians come to the US for medical treatment or the rising dissatisfaction with their gov't run healthcare system.

“42,000 Canadians come to the United States for care” – Really? - PNHP's Official Blog

No squirming here.

Your little free market bullshit doesn't work for the entire population. And when you look at who is representing this picture then you find out that, once again, there are people who are invested and profit off of maintaining the status quo.