Sanders: Universal Healthcare and Free College Aren’t Radical Ideas, They Are ‘Human Rights’

[tyroneweaver]

Bernie is a kook who lives in a fantasy world.

nothing is free.
but you can't convince a lot of people of this

 

[Disir]

Bernie is a kook who lives in a fantasy world.

nothing is free.
but you can't convince a lot of people of this

Of course it's not free and everyone is aware of this.

 

[tyroneweaver]

Bernie is a kook who lives in a fantasy world.

nothing is free.
but you can't convince a lot of people of this

Of course it's not free and everyone is aware of this.

 

[Disir]

Bernie is a kook who lives in a fantasy world.

nothing is free.
but you can't convince a lot of people of this

Of course it's not free and everyone is aware of this.

And she figured out real quick that this is not how it works.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Me? I'm looking for a real leader who has the best interests of all Americans at heart.

Is there such a leader?? Don't know but I certainly hope so.

We have plenty of leaders but if we don't tell them what we want or tell them that we are aware of what the issues are and of available solutions then we come up with crap every time. And if we don't figure out how to come up with solutions or at least negotiate between ourselves then neither of us walks away with anything.

Do you really think any of them give a shit about what's best for all America??

If you do you are one dreamer.

I think some of them do. More importantly, I think all of them give a shit about holding onto their jobs, which is really all I need them to give a shit about. We need to make it clear to our politicians that we're watching, that we know what we want, and that we will hold them accountable if they don't produce.

Y'know, capitalism.

The more we look for nannies to spoonfeed us and run our lives and give us goodies, the more we invite the unscrupulous to turn our country into a steaming pile of shit.

 

[Cecilie1200]

You think that it's right that I made more money last year than you'll make in your entire life? And, I paid less percentage of my income in federal tax than you did too!

If your accountant for holes in the US Tax code that netted you a lower tax bill, bravo to you.
The solution is not to punish those who earn the money. Rather, punish those who wrote the fucking Tax Code.
Jesus Christ, you libs are morons.

Somehow, it's our fault for doing the best we can with the rules we're given. Particularly if someone else didn't manage to do the same.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Bernie is a socialist and that's how socialists think.

Of course he neglects to let everyone know that nothing is free and every taxpayer in America will be footing the bill for his "free" Stuff.

Of course those that can't pay their own way will love it but the taxpayers will be getting the shaft yet again.

Oh and as for universal health care?? Who in their right mind wants the Government responsible for the healthcare of 300 million Americans?

The Govt. who has never done anything cheaply or well in its entire history.

The Govt. where everything turns into mountains of red tape, regulations and bullshit.

Yep. That's what we need. The Govt. in control of our health care. Good God. Talk about a moronic idea.

We are already footing the bill for your republicans war adventures and tax breaks for the rich so...We would rather it go to help the majority of us not a rich 1%.

Then write them a fucking check and stop corrupting our laws and system of government to work out your own self-esteem issues.

 

[Preacher]

Bernie is a socialist and that's how socialists think.

Of course he neglects to let everyone know that nothing is free and every taxpayer in America will be footing the bill for his "free" Stuff.

Of course those that can't pay their own way will love it but the taxpayers will be getting the shaft yet again.

Oh and as for universal health care?? Who in their right mind wants the Government responsible for the healthcare of 300 million Americans?

The Govt. who has never done anything cheaply or well in its entire history.

The Govt. where everything turns into mountains of red tape, regulations and bullshit.

Yep. That's what we need. The Govt. in control of our health care. Good God. Talk about a moronic idea.

We are already footing the bill for your republicans war adventures and tax breaks for the rich so...We would rather it go to help the majority of us not a rich 1%.

Then write them a fucking check and stop corrupting our laws and system of government to work out your own self-esteem issues.

No thanks. We will do what must be done to fix this problem.

 

[SAYIT]

So can you explain why Canadians who can afford to opt out of their national system and come to the US for health care do so?

The US Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions thought enough of Pipes to hear her testimony on the not-so-wonderfulness of gov't run healthcare. Just because she doesn't work at Socialists-R-Us doesn't mean she doesn't know her stuff.
In fact ...

Americans Who've Used Canada's Health-Care System Respond to Current Big-Lie Media Campaign

A couple of personal anecdotes are sweet but hardly proof that a gov't single-payer system is better as Cowboy Ted claimed, that it is best for the US as many claim, nor does it explain why so many Canadians come to the US for their medical care.

If Canada is so much better, why do they come here and why is Canadian dissatisfaction with their system rising?

Almost 90% of Canadians want health-care complaint line: survey

"A wave of discontent with the nation’s health-care system is sweeping across Canada, with the vast majority of Canadians revealing they feel like outsiders who are powerless to influence their own health care...

An Ipsos Reid survey, commissioned by the Canadian Medical Association and due to be released Monday at the organization’s annual general council meeting in St. John’s, N.L., shows that public satisfaction with the health system continues to slide."

The CMA has two subsidiaries: MD Financial Management and NewCo.

MD Financial Management is a wealth management firm wholly owned by the CMA. MD helps clients build wealth and capitalize on opportunities that ensure they meet their personal and professional goals. MD Financial Management includes MD Financial Management Inc., MD Management Limited, MD Private Trust Company, MD Life Insurance Company and MD Insurance Agency Limited.

NewCo is the temporary name of a new wholly owned CMA subsidiary. It was created on September 1, 2014. This subsidiary delivers information and knowledge products and services. NewCo includes the Canadian Medical Association Journal and PMI physician leadership courses. It also includes clinical tools such as DynaMed, RxTx and POEMs. NewCo also includes Conjoint Accreditation Services, which upholds national standards for the education of health professionals. NewCo is registered to conduct business as 8872147 Canada Inc. It will be formally launched with a permanent name and brand later in 2015.
Canadian Medical Association - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You continue to wiggle and squirm but have yet to explain why so many Canadians come to the US for medical treatment or the rising dissatisfaction with their gov't run healthcare system.

“42,000 Canadians come to the United States for care” – Really? - PNHP's Official Blog

No squirming here.

Your little free market bullshit doesn't work for the entire population. And when you look at who is representing this picture then you find out that, once again, there are people who are invested and profit off of maintaining the status quo.

2010: 44,794
2011: 46,159
2012: 42,173
Total 2001-2012: 133,126
http://www.fraserinstitute.org/uploadedFiles/fraser-ca/Content/research-…

I never claimed that free market med care works best for everyone. I specifically refuted Cowboy Ted's claim that "Governments all over the world deliver Healthcare and Education cheaper and better than the fiasco that exists in US..." by pointing out the bogus nature of that claim.
The fact that those who can afford to come to the US for med treatment do so not because our care is "a fiasco" but rather because our care is better.
You've reinforced my claim that given a choice those who could "enjoy" their gov't-run healthcare at home would rather pay to come here for it. Thank you.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The ideas that all members of society should have access to a system of basic healthcare AND basic education regardless of their ability to pay

are simply commonsense ideas as to what a civilized society should be.

The uncivilized may disagree, but it is up to civilized society to render them powerless and irrelevant.

Oh whatever... everybody had/has access to free basic healthcare and a free public education. What world do you live in?

Free college is where?

Oh, so now a college education is basic education? We have enough idiots lounging around college campi for way too long.. let them pay for that. They'll use a lot more discretion and won't waste money on stupid and useless degrees. We have enough English majors already.

My husband and I both attended school after high school. His parents footed the bill for him, bought him a car to get to and from classes, let him continue living in their house rent-free while he attended, etc. He goofed around, didn't work as hard as he should have, and flunked out of his freshman classes. He had to drop back from the U of A, attend classes at the community college, and work his way back up. Graduated with a B average.

My dad had a stroke my junior year of high school and his health just deteriorated from there. I had to get a job the week after I graduated. I attended trade school, which I paid for with student loans. I graduated with a 4.0 GPA and several awards for achievement. As I proceeded through my career, I attended school again more to advance and upgrade my skills. Always paid either out-of-pocket or with student loans. Always graduated with a 4.0 GPA.

Our experience, and my observations of other people, tell me that we just don't value things we're given as much as we value things we work for. Our young people don't need a free ride. They need an education that includes the most important lessons: responsibility and self-reliance.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Bernie is a socialist and that's how socialists think.

Of course he neglects to let everyone know that nothing is free and every taxpayer in America will be footing the bill for his "free" Stuff.

Of course those that can't pay their own way will love it but the taxpayers will be getting the shaft yet again.

Oh and as for universal health care?? Who in their right mind wants the Government responsible for the healthcare of 300 million Americans?

The Govt. who has never done anything cheaply or well in its entire history.

The Govt. where everything turns into mountains of red tape, regulations and bullshit.

Yep. That's what we need. The Govt. in control of our health care. Good God. Talk about a moronic idea.

We are already footing the bill for your republicans war adventures and tax breaks for the rich so...We would rather it go to help the majority of us not a rich 1%.

How does one gt a bill for a tax break?

Silly. Didn't you know that all the money are belong to them, and they are GIVING you the money they allow you to keep?

 

[kaz]

You think that it's right that I made more money last year than you'll make in your entire life? And, I paid less percentage of my income in federal tax than you did too!

You know nothing about money, you make what I keep in my sock drawer

 

[Cecilie1200]

Bernie is a socialist and that's how socialists think.

Of course he neglects to let everyone know that nothing is free and every taxpayer in America will be footing the bill for his "free" Stuff.

Of course those that can't pay their own way will love it but the taxpayers will be getting the shaft yet again.

Oh and as for universal health care?? Who in their right mind wants the Government responsible for the healthcare of 300 million Americans?

The Govt. who has never done anything cheaply or well in its entire history.

The Govt. where everything turns into mountains of red tape, regulations and bullshit.

Yep. That's what we need. The Govt. in control of our health care. Good God. Talk about a moronic idea.

We are already footing the bill for your republicans war adventures and tax breaks for the rich so...We would rather it go to help the majority of us not a rich 1%.

Then write them a fucking check and stop corrupting our laws and system of government to work out your own self-esteem issues.

No thanks. We will do what must be done to fix this problem.

"We" being you, the mouse in your pocket, and all the people you force to live in your socialist utopia whether they want to or not?

Don't even pretend that you're speaking for the majority of Americans. You're speaking for you and your little elitist clique of leftists who bypass the American people every time they tell you at the ballot box that they don't like your ideas "for their own good". Every single time you have to go to the courts and demand that they overturn the laws passed by the people and their elected representatives, and you start patting yourself on the back because what they wanted didn't meet up with your "superior" vision of morality, you demonstrate that your "we" is the "we" of a kidnapper and his hostage.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The greatest nation on the face of the earth ought to have the healthiest and most well educated populace on the face of the earth. No?

Silly nutters.

hey, if you are willing to surrender 50% of your earnings, you first. Get back to us and let us know how that works out..
And don't give me any shit about social responsibility or sacrifice.
the problem is that you libs want no one to be responsible. You look to government to bear responsibility. Which means you look to taxpaying citizens to do your bidding.
Here's an idea. Do the free college. But it's only for 4.0 or straight A students. Everyone else pays as normal.

We are the government, genius. We.....the taxpayers.....do our bidding. Unless we follow conservative policies, that is. Then we let unelected corporate donors decide what we spend our dough on. That's your preferred plan, dummy.

Educating our youth is the single best investment WE can make. It pays major dividends. Fiscally responsible liberals get this. Why don't you?

Because it's abstract, theoretical bullshit with no grounding in reality.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

...Pacific Research Institute. Now there is a trusted source.

So can you explain why Canadians who can afford to opt out of their national system and come to the US for health care do so?

The US Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions thought enough of Pipes to hear her testimony on the not-so-wonderfulness of gov't run healthcare. Just because she doesn't work at Socialists-R-Us doesn't mean she doesn't know her stuff.
In fact ...

Americans Who've Used Canada's Health-Care System Respond to Current Big-Lie Media Campaign

A couple of personal anecdotes are sweet but hardly proof that a gov't single-payer system is better as Cowboy Ted claimed, that it is best for the US as many claim, nor does it explain why so many Canadians come to the US for their medical care.

If Canada is so much better, why do they come here and why is Canadian dissatisfaction with their system rising?

Almost 90% of Canadians want health-care complaint line: survey

"A wave of discontent with the nation’s health-care system is sweeping across Canada, with the vast majority of Canadians revealing they feel like outsiders who are powerless to influence their own health care...

An Ipsos Reid survey, commissioned by the Canadian Medical Association and due to be released Monday at the organization’s annual general council meeting in St. John’s, N.L., shows that public satisfaction with the health system continues to slide."

The CMA has two subsidiaries: MD Financial Management and NewCo.

MD Financial Management is a wealth management firm wholly owned by the CMA. MD helps clients build wealth and capitalize on opportunities that ensure they meet their personal and professional goals. MD Financial Management includes MD Financial Management Inc., MD Management Limited, MD Private Trust Company, MD Life Insurance Company and MD Insurance Agency Limited.

NewCo is the temporary name of a new wholly owned CMA subsidiary. It was created on September 1, 2014. This subsidiary delivers information and knowledge products and services. NewCo includes the Canadian Medical Association Journal and PMI physician leadership courses. It also includes clinical tools such as DynaMed, RxTx and POEMs. NewCo also includes Conjoint Accreditation Services, which upholds national standards for the education of health professionals. NewCo is registered to conduct business as 8872147 Canada Inc. It will be formally launched with a permanent name and brand later in 2015.
Canadian Medical Association - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You continue to wiggle and squirm but have yet to explain why so many Canadians come to the US for medical treatment or the rising dissatisfaction with their gov't run healthcare system.

Being a driver in Cleveland, I run across Canadian truck drivers all the time at my stops. I always question them about their healthcare system.

Younger people love the system. You don't pay a dime, they take pretty good care of you, and you don't have to worry about insurance or anything like that. Of course, younger people have less serious conditions than the elder.

Older drivers, the exact opposite. For serious conditions, you don't want to be caught up in Canada. They always suggest that I write to my representatives and tell them to keep what we got. I've heard stories about botched surgeries, terrible care and long waits to get help. I do understand they are good and prescribing pain killers in Canada though. You're going to need them while your name is in line for the next hospital bed.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The greatest nation on the face of the earth ought to have the healthiest and most well educated populace on the face of the earth. No?

Silly nutters.

Then how do you explain that our Democrat controlled public schools have 80% of students unable to read at grade level?

Cool stat, bro.......where'd ya get it?

I explain it by calling you out for BS. Schools are run locally. Blue states do better than red.....blue counties DESTROY red counties when it comes to quality of education.

The CONSERVATIVE agenda to make higher education something that only wealthy people can afford has damaged this nation. Ya dumb shit.

and those blue urban centers where schools spend shit tons of money and less than half the students make it past high school?.....

NYC spends $19,000/yr per student yet over 1/3 don't even graduate high school.

You can lead the ponies to water...

You don't invest in education by spending scads of money on "self-esteem" and free rides. You invest in education by teaching the students to invest in themselves: their time, their effort, and yes, their money at a certain point.

 

[Andylusion]

So can you explain why Canadians who can afford to opt out of their national system and come to the US for health care do so?

The US Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions thought enough of Pipes to hear her testimony on the not-so-wonderfulness of gov't run healthcare. Just because she doesn't work at Socialists-R-Us doesn't mean she doesn't know her stuff.
In fact ...

Americans Who've Used Canada's Health-Care System Respond to Current Big-Lie Media Campaign

A couple of personal anecdotes are sweet but hardly proof that a gov't single-payer system is better as Cowboy Ted claimed, that it is best for the US as many claim, nor does it explain why so many Canadians come to the US for their medical care.

If Canada is so much better, why do they come here and why is Canadian dissatisfaction with their system rising?

Almost 90% of Canadians want health-care complaint line: survey

"A wave of discontent with the nation’s health-care system is sweeping across Canada, with the vast majority of Canadians revealing they feel like outsiders who are powerless to influence their own health care...

An Ipsos Reid survey, commissioned by the Canadian Medical Association and due to be released Monday at the organization’s annual general council meeting in St. John’s, N.L., shows that public satisfaction with the health system continues to slide."

The CMA has two subsidiaries: MD Financial Management and NewCo.

MD Financial Management is a wealth management firm wholly owned by the CMA. MD helps clients build wealth and capitalize on opportunities that ensure they meet their personal and professional goals. MD Financial Management includes MD Financial Management Inc., MD Management Limited, MD Private Trust Company, MD Life Insurance Company and MD Insurance Agency Limited.

NewCo is the temporary name of a new wholly owned CMA subsidiary. It was created on September 1, 2014. This subsidiary delivers information and knowledge products and services. NewCo includes the Canadian Medical Association Journal and PMI physician leadership courses. It also includes clinical tools such as DynaMed, RxTx and POEMs. NewCo also includes Conjoint Accreditation Services, which upholds national standards for the education of health professionals. NewCo is registered to conduct business as 8872147 Canada Inc. It will be formally launched with a permanent name and brand later in 2015.
Canadian Medical Association - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You continue to wiggle and squirm but have yet to explain why so many Canadians come to the US for medical treatment or the rising dissatisfaction with their gov't run healthcare system.

“42,000 Canadians come to the United States for care” – Really? - PNHP's Official Blog

No squirming here.

Your little free market bullshit doesn't work for the entire population. And when you look at who is representing this picture then you find out that, once again, there are people who are invested and profit off of maintaining the status quo.

And yet we have high level public officials in Canada, that left for the US to get care.

And then we have private businesses that actually specialize in helping people escape their 'free' care.

Timely Medical Alternatives | Timely Surgery at Affordable Prices

Timely Medical is a for-profit company that apparently has enough customers in Canada, willing to pay money, to escape their system, that this company can stay open.

Survey's are always 'wonky'. They always are. So yeah, you can bicker about the survey.

What you can't argue with, is people willing to spend money, enough money that a business specializing in people escaping from the Canadian system.

If the system was so good, there is no possible way someone could make a profitable business helping people escape it. That.... you can't deny. Sorry.

 

[Andylusion]

So can you explain why Canadians who can afford to opt out of their national system and come to the US for health care do so?

The US Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions thought enough of Pipes to hear her testimony on the not-so-wonderfulness of gov't run healthcare. Just because she doesn't work at Socialists-R-Us doesn't mean she doesn't know her stuff.
In fact ...

Americans Who've Used Canada's Health-Care System Respond to Current Big-Lie Media Campaign

A couple of personal anecdotes are sweet but hardly proof that a gov't single-payer system is better as Cowboy Ted claimed, that it is best for the US as many claim, nor does it explain why so many Canadians come to the US for their medical care.

If Canada is so much better, why do they come here and why is Canadian dissatisfaction with their system rising?

Almost 90% of Canadians want health-care complaint line: survey

"A wave of discontent with the nation’s health-care system is sweeping across Canada, with the vast majority of Canadians revealing they feel like outsiders who are powerless to influence their own health care...

An Ipsos Reid survey, commissioned by the Canadian Medical Association and due to be released Monday at the organization’s annual general council meeting in St. John’s, N.L., shows that public satisfaction with the health system continues to slide."

The CMA has two subsidiaries: MD Financial Management and NewCo.

MD Financial Management is a wealth management firm wholly owned by the CMA. MD helps clients build wealth and capitalize on opportunities that ensure they meet their personal and professional goals. MD Financial Management includes MD Financial Management Inc., MD Management Limited, MD Private Trust Company, MD Life Insurance Company and MD Insurance Agency Limited.

NewCo is the temporary name of a new wholly owned CMA subsidiary. It was created on September 1, 2014. This subsidiary delivers information and knowledge products and services. NewCo includes the Canadian Medical Association Journal and PMI physician leadership courses. It also includes clinical tools such as DynaMed, RxTx and POEMs. NewCo also includes Conjoint Accreditation Services, which upholds national standards for the education of health professionals. NewCo is registered to conduct business as 8872147 Canada Inc. It will be formally launched with a permanent name and brand later in 2015.
Canadian Medical Association - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You continue to wiggle and squirm but have yet to explain why so many Canadians come to the US for medical treatment or the rising dissatisfaction with their gov't run healthcare system.

Being a driver in Cleveland, I run across Canadian truck drivers all the time at my stops. I always question them about their healthcare system.

Younger people love the system. You don't pay a dime, they take pretty good care of you, and you don't have to worry about insurance or anything like that. Of course, younger people have less serious conditions than the elder.

Older drivers, the exact opposite. For serious conditions, you don't want to be caught up in Canada. They always suggest that I write to my representatives and tell them to keep what we got. I've heard stories about botched surgeries, terrible care and long waits to get help. I do understand they are good and prescribing pain killers in Canada though. You're going to need them while your name is in line for the next hospital bed.

That has been my experience too. The younger people, love the system. It's free. And you can't argue against 'free' that much.

It's the older ones that have the 3 year long wait to get a simple knee surgery, and can't walk in the mean time.

 

[paulitician]

Right on the first part, but wrong on the second part. No one is entitled to or deserves someone else's income. That's called theft. And the only way Government can pull such things off, is to commit more theft by use of force. And isn't Government doing enough of that already?

 

[Redfish]

Listen libs-----------------------it ain't free. Nothing is free. Somebody has to pay. If you ever accomplish anything in your miserable lives, YOU will be paying for this bullshit, and you will be paying a lot.

whiney ass pissant liberals, move to fricken north korea, every one of you, you are a waste of space in this country.