SB1062, Hobby Lobs...Religious Exemptions Q: Do Corporations have Religious Beliefs?

[paperview]

In effect, if the court rules in favor of the Greens, it would make that horrible bill AZ SB1062 - rejected because of its absurdity (in Arizona) (!) -- become the law of the land.

Maybe they'll have a temporary fit of sanity and strike down the mandate for everyone (not just religious orgs). Let's leave the state-mandated birth control policies to China.

Never let it be said cons can't miss an opportunity to turn logic on its head.

 

[dblack]

For profit corporations were originally formed to serve the public interest ...

Mistake #1

Ahem:

Chief Justice John Marshall:

“A corporation is an artificial being, invisible, intangible, and existing only in contemplation of law. Being the mere creature of law, it possesses only those properties which the charter of its creation confers upon it.” (1819)

Chief Justice Roger Taney:

“A corporation can have no legal existence out of the boundaries of the sovereignty by which it is created. It exists only in contemplation of law and by force of the law. ... It is indeed a mere artificial being.”agreed wholeheartedly in [Bank of Augusta v. Earle 1839]

"These two powerful architects of original Supreme Court authority insisted upon this artificial status in order to hold early American corporations particularly accountable to the state and to the public at large. Most of America’s first corporations—bridge companies, water companies, transportation companies, banks, and insurance companies—were viewed as essentially public service corporations or public franchises.

In addition to grants of property and public financing, the state usually accorded such entities special privileges like monopoly power, the power of eminent domain, or toll-taking authority.

In return for those benefits, the government insisted on the special public obligations of corporations. Not only were corporations not exempted in any way from generally applicable regulatory laws, but they were routinely held to higher standards of public service, public accountability, social responsibility, and public trust."

"Through most of our history, when the Supreme Court did discuss the constitutional rights of corporations, it only reinforced these principles of artificial status and public obligation."
Hobby Lobby and corporate personhood: Here?s the real history of corporate rights in America.

Yep, that's the mistake I'm referring to.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

In effect, if the court rules in favor of the Greens, it would make that horrible bill AZ SB1062 - rejected because of its absurdity (in Arizona) (!) -- become the law of the land.

Maybe they'll have a temporary fit of sanity and strike down the mandate for everyone (not just religious orgs). Let's leave the state-mandated birth control policies to China.

When all employers get to make the call, and I suspect they will, it will be fun to watch as not only birth control goes on the uncovered list, but ED drugs, mental health, cancer drugs and all other drugs for chronic conditions, and most especially, pregnancy and coverage for children. That will start to clear the deadwood out ASAP as they go looking for other jobs and the employers go look for younger employees without families and illnesses that will cost them money. Fun...

 

[dblack]

In effect, if the court rules in favor of the Greens, it would make that horrible bill AZ SB1062 - rejected because of its absurdity (in Arizona) (!) -- become the law of the land.

Maybe they'll have a temporary fit of sanity and strike down the mandate for everyone (not just religious orgs). Let's leave the state-mandated birth control policies to China.

Never let it be said cons can't miss an opportunity to turn logic on its head.

And let's not fail to notice statists run for cover when the true nature of their goals is revealed...

 

[dblack]

In effect, if the court rules in favor of the Greens, it would make that horrible bill AZ SB1062 - rejected because of its absurdity (in Arizona) (!) -- become the law of the land.

Maybe they'll have a temporary fit of sanity and strike down the mandate for everyone (not just religious orgs). Let's leave the state-mandated birth control policies to China.

When all employers get to make the call, and I suspect they will, it will be fun to watch as not only birth control goes on the uncovered list, but ED drugs, mental health, cancer drugs and all other drugs for chronic conditions, and most especially, pregnancy and coverage for children. That will start to clear the deadwood out ASAP as they go looking for other jobs and the employers go look for younger employees without families and illnesses that will cost them money. Fun...

What it will do is shatter the delusion that depending on an employer for health care was ever a good idea in the first place.

 

[paperview]

Maybe they'll have a temporary fit of sanity and strike down the mandate for everyone (not just religious orgs). Let's leave the state-mandated birth control policies to China.

When all employers get to make the call, and I suspect they will, it will be fun to watch as not only birth control goes on the uncovered list, but ED drugs, mental health, cancer drugs and all other drugs for chronic conditions, and most especially, pregnancy and coverage for children. That will start to clear the deadwood out ASAP as they go looking for other jobs and the employers go look for younger employees without families and illnesses that will cost them money. Fun...

What it will do is shatter the delusion that depending on an employer for health care was ever a good idea in the first place.

Blame Truman's generation & WWII for that...

 

[dblack]

When all employers get to make the call, and I suspect they will, it will be fun to watch as not only birth control goes on the uncovered list, but ED drugs, mental health, cancer drugs and all other drugs for chronic conditions, and most especially, pregnancy and coverage for children. That will start to clear the deadwood out ASAP as they go looking for other jobs and the employers go look for younger employees without families and illnesses that will cost them money. Fun...

What it will do is shatter the delusion that depending on an employer for health care was ever a good idea in the first place.

Blame Truman's generation & WWII for that...

There's plenty of blame to go around. Including the current crop of nitwits desperately trying to maintain the status quo.

 

[Seawytch]

Maybe they'll have a temporary fit of sanity and strike down the mandate for everyone (not just religious orgs). Let's leave the state-mandated birth control policies to China.

When all employers get to make the call, and I suspect they will, it will be fun to watch as not only birth control goes on the uncovered list, but ED drugs, mental health, cancer drugs and all other drugs for chronic conditions, and most especially, pregnancy and coverage for children. That will start to clear the deadwood out ASAP as they go looking for other jobs and the employers go look for younger employees without families and illnesses that will cost them money. Fun...

What it will do is shatter the delusion that depending on an employer for health care was ever a good idea in the first place.

Isn't that why Heritage and the GOP came up with the individual mandate in the first place?

 

[dblack]

When all employers get to make the call, and I suspect they will, it will be fun to watch as not only birth control goes on the uncovered list, but ED drugs, mental health, cancer drugs and all other drugs for chronic conditions, and most especially, pregnancy and coverage for children. That will start to clear the deadwood out ASAP as they go looking for other jobs and the employers go look for younger employees without families and illnesses that will cost them money. Fun...

What it will do is shatter the delusion that depending on an employer for health care was ever a good idea in the first place.

Isn't that why Heritage and the GOP came up with the individual mandate in the first place?

I dunno. Can't speak for either group.

 

[Seawytch]

What it will do is shatter the delusion that depending on an employer for health care was ever a good idea in the first place.

Isn't that why Heritage and the GOP came up with the individual mandate in the first place?

I dunno. Can't speak for either group.

http://americablog.com/2013/10/orig...on-created-obamacares-individual-mandate.html

It is one of the reasons

 

[dblack]

Isn't that why Heritage and the GOP came up with the individual mandate in the first place?

I dunno. Can't speak for either group.

Original document where Heritage created Obamacare individual mandate

It is one of the reasons

Ok. I don't know what they were thinking with that or why. It's the worst sort of corporatist nonsense.

 

[Seawytch]

I dunno. Can't speak for either group.

Original document where Heritage created Obamacare individual mandate

It is one of the reasons

Ok. I don't know what they were thinking with that or why. It's the worst sort of corporatist nonsense.

Of course it is...it's Heritage Foundation. Duh.

The liberal plan is single payer. The Democratic plan was a Public Option. We got the GOP Heritage plan and because President Obama did it, is "socialism". Nucking Futs.

 

[dblack]

Original document where Heritage created Obamacare individual mandate

It is one of the reasons

Ok. I don't know what they were thinking with that or why. It's the worst sort of corporatist nonsense.

Of course it is...it's Heritage Foundation. Duh.

The liberal plan is single payer. The Democratic plan was a Public Option. We got the GOP Heritage plan and because President Obama did it, is "socialism". Nucking Futs.

Uh... I see. You want to out-do the Heritage Foundation, in terms of corporatism? Go team!

 

[The Rabbi]

In effect, if the court rules in favor of the Greens, it would make that horrible bill AZ SB1062 - rejected because of its absurdity (in Arizona) (!) -- become the law of the land.

We'll have back alley abortions.
Women will be required to wear a burkha.
Children will be starving in the streets.
Oh my!

 

[The Rabbi]

Original document where Heritage created Obamacare individual mandate

It is one of the reasons

Ok. I don't know what they were thinking with that or why. It's the worst sort of corporatist nonsense.

Of course it is...it's Heritage Foundation. Duh.

The liberal plan is single payer. The Democratic plan was a Public Option. We got the GOP Heritage plan and because President Obama did it, is "socialism". Nucking Futs.

Gosh this old turd has been debunked over and over again and it still surfaces.

 

[hangover]

As long as Corporations as taxed as persons, then they have the rights afforded them as persons.

Their personhood is a legal fiction that was invented to be able to tax them.

They are not taxed as persons, they're taxed as corporations.

Citizens United basically affirmed it.

What circuit court is Citizens United?

The bottom line is ObamaCare should have never been passed in the first place. It is grossly unconstitutional,

If it was unconstitutional the SCOTUS would have overturned it. Wrong again.

Considering that the Catholic church is widely considered to be the largest corporation on Earth, it isn't too far fetched to think that a corporation can become a religion. Corporatism is basically a religion on Wall Street now.

Really? I didn't know you could buy shares of Catholic stock on Wall Street. Wow! Cons know everything, huh.

 

[hangover]

What it will do is shatter the delusion that depending on an employer for health care was ever a good idea in the first place.

Blame Truman's generation & WWII for that...

There's plenty of blame to go around. Including the current crop of nitwits desperately trying to maintain the status quo.

Blaming "them" is what cons do. Taking "responsibility" for the mess they make is what they don't do. "Romney care" was the con baby.

 

[dblack]

Blame Truman's generation & WWII for that...

There's plenty of blame to go around. Including the current crop of nitwits desperately trying to maintain the status quo.

Blaming "them" is what cons do. Taking "responsibility" for the mess they make is what they don't do. "Romney care" was the con baby.

Yep. And the Dems passed it federally. It's like a tag team wrestling match where the bad guys always win.

 

[The Rabbi]

Blame Truman's generation & WWII for that...

There's plenty of blame to go around. Including the current crop of nitwits desperately trying to maintain the status quo.

Blaming "them" is what cons do. Taking "responsibility" for the mess they make is what they don't do. "Romney care" was the con baby.

Have you seen any Democrat take responsibility for Obamacare? They are all busy running like hell. Some of them are spouting "fix it first" stupidity. You can't fix dog shit.

 

[hangover]

There's plenty of blame to go around. Including the current crop of nitwits desperately trying to maintain the status quo.

Blaming "them" is what cons do. Taking "responsibility" for the mess they make is what they don't do. "Romney care" was the con baby.

Yep. And the Dems passed it federally. It's like a tag team wrestling match where the bad guys always win.

Yep, they both blame each other, and they both play the voters like a fiddle.