SB1062, Hobby Lobs...Religious Exemptions Q: Do Corporations have Religious Beliefs?

[rightwinger]

What is "compelling"about that "interest"?

What is compelling is that more abortions and unwanted children result from unplanned parenthood.

Modern societies recognize the benefits of birth control. It is only religious fanatics who oppose it.

So? What does this game to do with the purpose of government?

Excuse me?

 

[dblack]

What is compelling is that more abortions and unwanted children result from unplanned parenthood.

Modern societies recognize the benefits of birth control. It is only religious fanatics who oppose it.

So? What does this game to do with the purpose of government?

Excuse me?

Why would I do that?

 

[Political Junky]

Corporations are looking for more reasons to deny employment or benefits, period.

 

[rightwinger]

Corporations are looking for more reasons to deny employment or benefits, period.

Even worse...they are trying to treat corporations as people

 

[RandallFlagg]

The state has a compelling interest to ensure affordable birth control is available to its citizens.

What is "compelling"about that "interest"?

What is compelling is that more abortions and unwanted children result from unplanned parenthood. The state has to provide more social services for unwanted children

Modern societies recognize the benefits of birth control. It is only religious fanatics who oppose it.

That's ridiculous. A society that practices birth control the way YOUR side practices birth control normally will die. We, as a nation, kill on average 100,000 babies per year. Lot of dreams and expectations that will never be met. The only REAL birth rate at this point is among Blacks and Mexicans.

In other words, idiot, you cracker asses are killing your European asses off. Congratulations. Your ancestors must be SO proud.

 

[RandallFlagg]

What is wrong with contraception. Please explain.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with contraception (if that is your choice). However, it is not MY responsibility to pay for it. Why is it so damned hard to understand that simple logic?

It's your responsibility to obey the law. Is that hard to understand?

Horsehockey.

I'm fairly certain that that's what Hitler convinced the German people of. I'm fairly certain that that's what Stalin convinced the Russian people of. I'm fairly certain that that's what Fidel Castro convinced the Cuban people of. I'm fairly certain that that's what Mao Tae Tung convinced the Chinese people of.

Get the point here Sparky? You lemmings follow your idiot Leader off the cliff. I'll spend MY time telling him to kiss my black ass.

 

[rightwinger]

What is "compelling"about that "interest"?

What is compelling is that more abortions and unwanted children result from unplanned parenthood. The state has to provide more social services for unwanted children

Modern societies recognize the benefits of birth control. It is only religious fanatics who oppose it.

That's ridiculous. A society that practices birth control the way YOUR side practices birth control normally will die. We, as a nation, kill on average 100,000 babies per year. Lot of dreams and expectations that will never be met. The only REAL birth rate at this point is among Blacks and Mexicans.

In other words, idiot, you cracker asses are killing your European asses off. Congratulations. Your ancestors must be SO proud.

Parents are making responsible decisions on how many children they want

 

[MarcATL]

Hobby Lobby is fine with forced abortions and mandatory contraception in China, but balks at voluntary contraception for American women

So Hobby Lobby’s lawsuit is based on the company’s “firm, fixed, and sincere” opposition to contraception and abortion. That opposition is such an intrinsic principle that it would be impossible for Hobby Lobby to comply with the law’s mandate for gender equality in preventive health insurance.

And yet this firm, fixed, sincere conviction has never hindered Hobby Lobby from building its business on a foundation of goods manufactured in China.

That doesn’t just cast doubt on Hobby Lobby’s sincerity — it demolishes it completely. It proves that Hobby Lobby’s religious conscience claim is disingenuous hogwash.

Not really

It highlights the sincerity of a Corporations religious convictions

So, our rights hinge on our "sincerity"?

When the courts are deciding the religious rights of an employer over the rights of an employee ....yes sincerity of those religious beliefs is a concern

Yep, unfortunately...it does.

This is why the Christian name, particularly in this country, has gone to the dogs, because of stunts like this from these self-proclaimers.

*SMH*

 

[Seawytch]

There's no precedent in the past two centuries that gives for-profit corporations First Amendment religious freedom rights.

If the premise is so indelible (as some cons say), why has it taken some 225 years for it to be questioned?

There IS judicial precedent. Other groups like the Amish and JDs tried religious exemptions from laws...they lost.

That's why all those young Amish men were drafted during Vietnam, right?
Oops.

It is why they have to pay into SS...

United States vs Lee

 

[MarcATL]

Well, if HL loses the case, and if HL relents and provides the insurance anyway, we'll then know that their so-called religious belief wasn't quite a morally inviolable as they claimed it was.

Unfortunately, their doing business w/China, who's known to support abortions, shows that their so-called belief wasn't based on anything but politricks and money anyway.

*sigh*

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The state has a compelling interest to ensure affordable birth control is available to its citizens.

What is "compelling"about that "interest"?

What is compelling is that more abortions and unwanted children result from unplanned parenthood. The state has to provide more social services for unwanted children

Modern societies recognize the benefits of birth control. It is only religious fanatics who oppose it.

Funny thing about increasing the availability of contraceptives, the abortion rate actually increase immediately afterwards.

That said, the only people who oppose birth control are the idiots inside your head. The rest of us just have a problem with the government telling us we have to buy insurance that covers it even if we can't get pregnant.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I have a question:

Has HL posted a sign in front of their stores saying that if you (the person approaching the entrance) are having sex outside of wedlock and/or if you're using birth control, they just plain and simple don't want your business because, you see, they have values. Actually, they're MORE than just values. They're principles. No, they're more than that too. They're religious convictions. So, just take your business elsewhere!

Better yet.....tell the public that they do not welcome the business of any woman who has had an abortion. Put your money where your mouth is Hobby Lobby. Rather than taking your religious views out on your employees....take it out on your customers and suppliers (China)

Why are you projecting your desire to impose your religious views on others again.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Corporations are looking for more reasons to deny employment or benefits, period.

If that was their goal they would just shut down.

 

[Political Junky]

What is "compelling"about that "interest"?

What is compelling is that more abortions and unwanted children result from unplanned parenthood. The state has to provide more social services for unwanted children

Modern societies recognize the benefits of birth control. It is only religious fanatics who oppose it.

Funny thing about increasing the availability of contraceptives, the abortion rate actually increase immediately afterwards.

That said, the only people who oppose birth control are the idiots inside your head. The rest of us just have a problem with the government telling us we have to buy insurance that covers it even if we can't get pregnant.

Rick Santorum spoke against birth control.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

What is wrong with contraception. Please explain.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with contraception (if that is your choice). However, it is not MY responsibility to pay for it. Why is it so damned hard to understand that simple logic?

It's your responsibility to obey the law. Is that hard to understand?

Not according to Martin Luther King and Gandhi.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Hobby Lobby is fine with forced abortions and mandatory contraception in China, but balks at voluntary contraception for American women

So Hobby Lobby’s lawsuit is based on the company’s “firm, fixed, and sincere” opposition to contraception and abortion. That opposition is such an intrinsic principle that it would be impossible for Hobby Lobby to comply with the law’s mandate for gender equality in preventive health insurance.

And yet this firm, fixed, sincere conviction has never hindered Hobby Lobby from building its business on a foundation of goods manufactured in China.

That doesn’t just cast doubt on Hobby Lobby’s sincerity — it demolishes it completely. It proves that Hobby Lobby’s religious conscience claim is disingenuous hogwash.

So, our rights hinge on our "sincerity"?

When the courts are deciding the religious rights of an employer over the rights of an employee ....yes sincerity of those religious beliefs is a concern

Yep, unfortunately...it does.

This is why the Christian name, particularly in this country, has gone to the dogs, because of stunts like this from these self-proclaimers.

*SMH*

Because you deciding what is right, and wrong, for everyone else exemplifies the very best of being a Christian, except it actually doesn't.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

There IS judicial precedent. Other groups like the Amish and JDs tried religious exemptions from laws...they lost.

That's why all those young Amish men were drafted during Vietnam, right?
Oops.

It is why they have to pay into SS...

United States vs Lee

At least you are doing better than Clayton at picking applicable cases. I do have a question though, did you actually read the decision? If not, here it is.

FindLaw | Cases and Codes

Interesting, isn't it? Did you notice it applies to laws passed by Congress, not regulations written by the executive branch?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Well, if HL loses the case, and if HL relents and provides the insurance anyway, we'll then know that their so-called religious belief wasn't quite a morally inviolable as they claimed it was.

If they lose and shut down, you will know that you are wrong.

Actually, you will probably see that as a victory because the government putting people out of work is the ultimate goal of Obamacare.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Well, if HL loses the case, and if HL relents and provides the insurance anyway, we'll then know that their so-called religious belief wasn't quite a morally inviolable as they claimed it was.

Unfortunately, their doing business w/China, who's known to support abortions, shows that their so-called belief wasn't based on anything but politricks and money anyway.

*sigh*

Does the fact that you, personally, do business with China, even though they persecute Christians for real, prove that you have no moral values, or does it just prove you are blathering about things without thinking?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

What is compelling is that more abortions and unwanted children result from unplanned parenthood. The state has to provide more social services for unwanted children

Modern societies recognize the benefits of birth control. It is only religious fanatics who oppose it.

Funny thing about increasing the availability of contraceptives, the abortion rate actually increase immediately afterwards.

That said, the only people who oppose birth control are the idiots inside your head. The rest of us just have a problem with the government telling us we have to buy insurance that covers it even if we can't get pregnant.

Rick Santorum spoke against birth control.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBTLnO7FQM8"]Rick Santorum wants to fight 'The Dangers Of Contraception'; Birth control is "not okay"[/ame]

Actually, he spoke about morality and slippery slopes, but I understand why you are confused.