Schurmer, now Harkin- co-author of ACA......"may have been better off not passing ACA"

[healthmyths]

Sen. Tom Harkin, one of the co-authors of the Affordable Care Act, now thinks Democrats may have been better off not passing it at all and holding out for a better bill.

The Iowa Democrat who chairs the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, laments the complexity of legislation the Senate passed five years ago.
“We had the power to do it in a way that would have simplified healthcare, made it more efficient and made it less costly and we didn’t do it,” Harkin told The Hill.
“So I look back and say we should have either done it the correct way or not done anything at all.
ObamaCare author Tom Harkin Health law is really complicated TheHill

What the F<<<K Idiots!!!
We tried to tell you that you had NO idea what you were doing!

Built on LIES...
There were NEVER 46 million uninsured!
There never were 155 million people with pre-existing conditions!
There never was a health care crisis demanding this!
Insurance companies PAY 96% of ALL claims the first time claims submitted ..
yet idiots like these guys LIED about them!
No family doctor did as Obama said..
PRESIDENT OBAMA: "Partly because it’s not treated as effectively as it could be. Right now if we paid a family if a family care physician works with his or her patient to help them lose weight, modify diet, monitors whether they are taking their medications in a timely fashion, they might get reimbursed a pittance.
But if that same doctor ends up getting their foot amputated, that’s $30,000, $40,000, $50,000.





He wonders in hindsight whether the law was made overly complicated to satisfy the political concerns of a few Democratic centrists who have since left Congress.

OMFG!!!!!

What a total fucking moron in the White House!!!

Holy Fucking shit tell me that's doctored, he can't really be THAT FUCKING STUPID, can he???

I don't know if you are pissed at Obama accusing doctors of purposely not treating diabetes but here is the speech..

"All I'm saying is let's take the example of something like diabetes, one of --- a disease that's skyrocketing, partly because of obesity, partly because it's not treated as effectively as it could be. Right now if we paid a family -- if a family care physician works with his or her patient to help them lose weight, modify diet, monitors whether they're taking their medications in a timely fashion, they might get reimbursed a pittance. But if that same diabetic ends up getting their foot amputated, that's $30,000, $40,000, $50,000 -- immediately the surgeon is reimbursed. Well, why not make sure that we're also reimbursing the care that prevents the amputation, right? That will save us money." (Applause.)

Surgical Strike Surgeons Group Blasts Obama s 30K- 50K Foot Leg Amputation Claim

 

[Siete]

Sen. Tom Harkin, one of the co-authors of the Affordable Care Act, now thinks Democrats may have been better off not passing it at all and holding out for a better bill.

The Iowa Democrat who chairs the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, laments the complexity of legislation the Senate passed five years ago.
“We had the power to do it in a way that would have simplified healthcare, made it more efficient and made it less costly and we didn’t do it,” Harkin told The Hill.
“So I look back and say we should have either done it the correct way or not done anything at all.
ObamaCare author Tom Harkin Health law is really complicated TheHill

What the F<<<K Idiots!!!
We tried to tell you that you had NO idea what you were doing!

Built on LIES...
There were NEVER 46 million uninsured!
There never were 155 million people with pre-existing conditions!
There never was a health care crisis demanding this!
Insurance companies PAY 96% of ALL claims the first time claims submitted ..
yet idiots like these guys LIED about them!
No family doctor did as Obama said..
PRESIDENT OBAMA: "Partly because it’s not treated as effectively as it could be. Right now if we paid a family if a family care physician works with his or her patient to help them lose weight, modify diet, monitors whether they are taking their medications in a timely fashion, they might get reimbursed a pittance.
But if that same doctor ends up getting their foot amputated, that’s $30,000, $40,000, $50,000.





He wonders in hindsight whether the law was made overly complicated to satisfy the political concerns of a few Democratic centrists who have since left Congress.

OMFG!!!!!

What a total fucking moron in the White House!!!

Holy Fucking shit tell me that's doctored, he can't really be THAT FUCKING STUPID, can he???

I don't know if you are pissed at Obama accusing doctors of purposely not treating diabetes but here is the speech..

"All I'm saying is let's take the example of something like diabetes, one of --- a disease that's skyrocketing, partly because of obesity, partly because it's not treated as effectively as it could be. Right now if we paid a family -- if a family care physician works with his or her patient to help them lose weight, modify diet, monitors whether they're taking their medications in a timely fashion, they might get reimbursed a pittance. But if that same diabetic ends up getting their foot amputated, that's $30,000, $40,000, $50,000 -- immediately the surgeon is reimbursed. Well, why not make sure that we're also reimbursing the care that prevents the amputation, right? That will save us money." (Applause.)

Surgical Strike Surgeons Group Blasts Obama s 30K- 50K Foot Leg Amputation Claim

context isn't your forte' is it hm ?

 

[healthmyths]

and it wasn't just diabetics but kids with tonsils Obama was practicing Medicine!!!

"Right now, doctors a lot of times are forced to make decisions based on the fee payment schedule that's out there. ...
The doctor may look at the reimbursement system and say to himself, 'You know what? I make a lot more money if I take this kid's tonsils out,'"
Obama told a prime-time news conference. The president added: "Now, that may be the right thing to do, but I'd rather have that doctor making those decisions just based on whether you really need your kid's tonsils out or whether it might make more sense just to change; maybe they have allergies. Maybe they have something else that would make a difference."
Obama Doctors Taking Tonsils Out For Money Instead Of Diagnosing It As Allergies RealClearPolitics

Do you people that voted for Obama that Gruber said because of the "stupidity of American voter" ACA was passed... this was another example of what Obama said to get ACA passed!

 

[NYcarbineer]

Will either of them vote repeal it?

 

[healthmyths]

Sen. Tom Harkin, one of the co-authors of the Affordable Care Act, now thinks Democrats may have been better off not passing it at all and holding out for a better bill.

The Iowa Democrat who chairs the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, laments the complexity of legislation the Senate passed five years ago.
“We had the power to do it in a way that would have simplified healthcare, made it more efficient and made it less costly and we didn’t do it,” Harkin told The Hill.
“So I look back and say we should have either done it the correct way or not done anything at all.
ObamaCare author Tom Harkin Health law is really complicated TheHill

What the F<<<K Idiots!!!
We tried to tell you that you had NO idea what you were doing!

Built on LIES...
There were NEVER 46 million uninsured!
There never were 155 million people with pre-existing conditions!
There never was a health care crisis demanding this!
Insurance companies PAY 96% of ALL claims the first time claims submitted ..
yet idiots like these guys LIED about them!
No family doctor did as Obama said..
PRESIDENT OBAMA: "Partly because it’s not treated as effectively as it could be. Right now if we paid a family if a family care physician works with his or her patient to help them lose weight, modify diet, monitors whether they are taking their medications in a timely fashion, they might get reimbursed a pittance.
But if that same doctor ends up getting their foot amputated, that’s $30,000, $40,000, $50,000.





He wonders in hindsight whether the law was made overly complicated to satisfy the political concerns of a few Democratic centrists who have since left Congress.

OMFG!!!!!

What a total fucking moron in the White House!!!

Holy Fucking shit tell me that's doctored, he can't really be THAT FUCKING STUPID, can he???

I don't know if you are pissed at Obama accusing doctors of purposely not treating diabetes but here is the speech..

"All I'm saying is let's take the example of something like diabetes, one of --- a disease that's skyrocketing, partly because of obesity, partly because it's not treated as effectively as it could be. Right now if we paid a family -- if a family care physician works with his or her patient to help them lose weight, modify diet, monitors whether they're taking their medications in a timely fashion, they might get reimbursed a pittance. But if that same diabetic ends up getting their foot amputated, that's $30,000, $40,000, $50,000 -- immediately the surgeon is reimbursed. Well, why not make sure that we're also reimbursing the care that prevents the amputation, right? That will save us money." (Applause.)

Surgical Strike Surgeons Group Blasts Obama s 30K- 50K Foot Leg Amputation Claim

context isn't your forte' is it hm ?

WHAT kind of CONTEXT is needed to comprehend ACA was passed based on phony numbers?
Did you question the 46 million figure?
Did YOU question Obama calling surgeons making money off amputations or taking kids tonsils out for the money??
Are you the kind of voter that Gruber was talking about when he called you and them the stupidity of American voter"?

 

[Moonglow]

Yes, they should have waited for a better bill....

 

[healthmyths]

Yes, they should have waited for a better bill....

ONLY one bill would have been needed and modeled after this bill: Federal Tort Claims Act.

1. The Federal Tort Claims Act (June 25, 1946, ch. 646, Title IV, 60 Stat. 812, "28 U.S.C. Pt.VI Ch.171" and 28 U.S.C. § 1346(b)) ("FTCA") is a1946 federal statute that permits private parties to sue the United States in a federal court for most torts committed by persons acting on behalf of the United States.

When you read the following:
90% of physicians surveyed say they order $850 billion a year in wasted duplicate tests, referrals all out of FEAR of being SUED!
Physicians estimate the cost of defensive medicine in US at $650 to $850 billion per year
Emergency medicine, primary care, and OB/GYN physicians are most likely to practice defensive medicine.
79 to 83% of surgeons and OB/GYNs have been named in lawsuits.

BUT NOTE this: "Physicians contracted by the federal government practice significantly less defensive medicine as they are protected against lawsuits by the Federal Tort Claims Act.

Only 48% practice defensive medicine compared to 92% of non-government physicians.
89% of physicians support a patient’s right to be compensated fairly for true negligence.

Read this :SOURCE: Health News Observer rsaquo Physicians Estimate The Cost Of Defensive Medicine In Us At 650 To 850 Bill Articles

Do you understand that because of the Federal Tort Claims Act only 1 of 2 doctors contracted by federal government practice defensive medicine
because they are NOT fearful of lawsuits....YET 92% of non government physicians DO send duplicate tests, make referrals to specialists...ALL which become claims filed against insurance companies WHICH then PAY 95% of all claims first time submitted!
THAT's what makes up the $850 billion a year that physicians say THEY create in wasteful Defensive Medicine practice!

 

[healthmyths]

Just consider if the Federal Tort Claims Act had been expanded to the private health insurance industry, that $850 billion a year would drop!
If it drops claims paid by insurance companies drop. If claims drop then insurance companies that pay out 80% of their premiums in claims would
be FORCED by state insurance regulations to DROP their premiums!
THAT SIMPLE

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Sen. Tom Harkin, one of the co-authors of the Affordable Care Act, now thinks Democrats may have been better off not passing it at all and holding out for a better bill.

The Iowa Democrat who chairs the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, laments the complexity of legislation the Senate passed five years ago.
“We had the power to do it in a way that would have simplified healthcare, made it more efficient and made it less costly and we didn’t do it,” Harkin told The Hill.
“So I look back and say we should have either done it the correct way or not done anything at all.
ObamaCare author Tom Harkin Health law is really complicated TheHill

What the F<<<K Idiots!!!
We tried to tell you that you had NO idea what you were doing!

Built on LIES...
There were NEVER 46 million uninsured!
There never were 155 million people with pre-existing conditions!
There never was a health care crisis demanding this!
Insurance companies PAY 96% of ALL claims the first time claims submitted ..
yet idiots like these guys LIED about them!
No family doctor did as Obama said..
PRESIDENT OBAMA: "Partly because it’s not treated as effectively as it could be. Right now if we paid a family if a family care physician works with his or her patient to help them lose weight, modify diet, monitors whether they are taking their medications in a timely fashion, they might get reimbursed a pittance.
But if that same doctor ends up getting their foot amputated, that’s $30,000, $40,000, $50,000.





He wonders in hindsight whether the law was made overly complicated to satisfy the political concerns of a few Democratic centrists who have since left Congress.

OMFG!!!!!

What a total fucking moron in the White House!!!

Holy Fucking shit tell me that's doctored, he can't really be THAT FUCKING STUPID, can he???

I don't know if you are pissed at Obama accusing doctors of purposely not treating diabetes but here is the speech..

"All I'm saying is let's take the example of something like diabetes, one of --- a disease that's skyrocketing, partly because of obesity, partly because it's not treated as effectively as it could be. Right now if we paid a family -- if a family care physician works with his or her patient to help them lose weight, modify diet, monitors whether they're taking their medications in a timely fashion, they might get reimbursed a pittance. But if that same diabetic ends up getting their foot amputated, that's $30,000, $40,000, $50,000 -- immediately the surgeon is reimbursed. Well, why not make sure that we're also reimbursing the care that prevents the amputation, right? That will save us money." (Applause.)

Surgical Strike Surgeons Group Blasts Obama s 30K- 50K Foot Leg Amputation Claim

I'm pissed we have a fucking retard in the White House who makes Duyba and Dan Quayle look like Einstein

 

[eagle7_31]

Thank you Senator Schumer! I'm sure you'd happily sign on to the "Repeal the ACA" Bill and over ride the Presidential Veto if need be correct?

Put your money where your mouth is.

I don't think he would go that far, but I will give him some points for being at least somewhat honest, which is more than you can say for the WH and their parrots on this board.

 

[healthmyths]

Sen. Tom Harkin, one of the co-authors of the Affordable Care Act, now thinks Democrats may have been better off not passing it at all and holding out for a better bill.

The Iowa Democrat who chairs the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, laments the complexity of legislation the Senate passed five years ago.
“We had the power to do it in a way that would have simplified healthcare, made it more efficient and made it less costly and we didn’t do it,” Harkin told The Hill.
“So I look back and say we should have either done it the correct way or not done anything at all.
ObamaCare author Tom Harkin Health law is really complicated TheHill

What the F<<<K Idiots!!!
We tried to tell you that you had NO idea what you were doing!

Built on LIES...
There were NEVER 46 million uninsured!
There never were 155 million people with pre-existing conditions!
There never was a health care crisis demanding this!
Insurance companies PAY 96% of ALL claims the first time claims submitted ..
yet idiots like these guys LIED about them!
No family doctor did as Obama said..
PRESIDENT OBAMA: "Partly because it’s not treated as effectively as it could be. Right now if we paid a family if a family care physician works with his or her patient to help them lose weight, modify diet, monitors whether they are taking their medications in a timely fashion, they might get reimbursed a pittance.
But if that same doctor ends up getting their foot amputated, that’s $30,000, $40,000, $50,000.





He wonders in hindsight whether the law was made overly complicated to satisfy the political concerns of a few Democratic centrists who have since left Congress.

OMFG!!!!!

What a total fucking moron in the White House!!!

Holy Fucking shit tell me that's doctored, he can't really be THAT FUCKING STUPID, can he???

I don't know if you are pissed at Obama accusing doctors of purposely not treating diabetes but here is the speech..

"All I'm saying is let's take the example of something like diabetes, one of --- a disease that's skyrocketing, partly because of obesity, partly because it's not treated as effectively as it could be. Right now if we paid a family -- if a family care physician works with his or her patient to help them lose weight, modify diet, monitors whether they're taking their medications in a timely fashion, they might get reimbursed a pittance. But if that same diabetic ends up getting their foot amputated, that's $30,000, $40,000, $50,000 -- immediately the surgeon is reimbursed. Well, why not make sure that we're also reimbursing the care that prevents the amputation, right? That will save us money." (Applause.)

Surgical Strike Surgeons Group Blasts Obama s 30K- 50K Foot Leg Amputation Claim

I'm pissed we have a fucking retard in the White House who makes Duyba and Dan Quayle look like Einstein

Yea... but remember he is the Messiah...

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Let's vote to repeal it again .. and then go home for Christmas recess. That's governing. (-:

I don't care how many times it takes. It would be WORTH the time and money to get it off OUR BACKS

Ain't gonna happen. Once millions got insurance who didn't have it before, it was gonna stay in one form or another. A new potus of either party, and then there are modifications that can be made. But, it's a new entitlement. Reagan clearly saw that once established, they never go away.

Note: Schumer tried to get Obama to focus on improving the lot of familes making 50-85K a year, because that's where general elections are won or lost.

Those "millions" who never had insurance, they can keep there obama insurance, but we won't subsidize it anymore. How's that?

 

[AvgGuyIA]

If I'm elected POTUS, I'll take away health insurance form millions of people. I promise.

name ONE Presidential candidate who has the balls to run on that platform.. just ONE.

You don't run on that. Let people keep their Obamacare, un subsidized. You'd win in a landslide.

 

[healthmyths]

If I'm elected POTUS, I'll take away health insurance form millions of people. I promise.

name ONE Presidential candidate who has the balls to run on that platform.. just ONE.

You don't run on that. Let people keep their Obamacare, un subsidized. You'd win in a landslide.

But you keep forgetting! The people that have signed up are under Medicaid!
The Medicaid numbers don't differentiate between enrollees who gained eligibility under the Obamacare-funded expansion and enrollees who qualified even without the expansion.
How many people have insurance because of Obamacare - Vox
The Census Bureau
The CENSUS clearly states that of the 46 million there were 14 million THE CENSUS Counted as "uninsured" that were totally easily eligible for
Medicaid/SCHIP!
The Census Bureau ACKNOWLEDGES that the survey "...underreports Medicare and Medicaid coverage compared with enrollment
and participation data from the Centers for medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS)"
CHECK THIS OUT if you doubt me... PLEASE I encourage you to see the truth! https://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf

DO YOU understand what that means???? When Obama said there were 46 million uninsured Americans he was counting:
1) 10 million illegals....2) 14 million the Census says were eligible for MEDICAID/SCHIP BEFORE ACA...so why the f..k was ACA needed?
3) 18 million under 34 spend less then $1,000 a year on health services didn't want insurance even though they make over $50,000 a year!

Do you understand that adding those numbers up means 42 million were FALSELY counted! THERE NEVER WERE 46 million "uninsured"!

 

[idb]

The outraged ones on here haven't read the article have they?
Harkin is saying that they should have gone with a government run option.
How would the outrage be then?

Harkin, who is retiring at the end of this Congress, says in retrospect the Democratic-controlled Senate and House should have enacted a single-payer healthcare system or a public option to give the uninsured access to government-run health plans that compete with private insurance companies.

 

[francoHFW]

ACA was a compromise with the GOP even though they were mindless obstructive a-holes.

We were ALREADY paying for poor people, just forcing them on welfare or in the most expensive way possible, with no preventive care Illegals were just getting it for free. Pass the immigration law STUPID. Same old HM thread. NO MORE FREELOADERS, transparent competition. Dumbass dupe.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

The outraged ones on here haven't read the article have they?
Harkin is saying that they should have gone with a government run option.
How would the outrage be then?

Harkin, who is retiring at the end of this Congress, says in retrospect the Democratic-controlled Senate and House should have enacted a single-payer healthcare system or a public option to give the uninsured access to government-run health plans that compete with private insurance companies.

Thankfully fucking Senator Harkin's, who made a fool of himself at the Wellstone memorial, days are numbered as he is being replaced by Joni Ernst R-IA.