Scientist discovers errors in global warming model

[jc456]

What's 'fucking up the planet?' What do you mean? And who are you to force others to go along with your 'Global Warming Apocalypse' agenda? As i said, you can go ahead and live in fear of the Global Warming Boogeyman. I won't stop you. You make that decision. Just don't think you're gonna force more Government oppression on others. We're not all gonna go along with that. Sorry, but that's just the way it is.

Humans are fucking up this planet.

Who am I to force? I'm forcing people? No, I'm not. I'm on here trying to convince people.

But who are you to force your pollution, your increase in CO2 and other greenhouse gases on me? You literally are forcing this. I breathe this shit.

You won't go along with it, well, unless of course the govt decides you're wrong. How is it oppression? You're oppressed because there's more renewable energy? Jeez, you sound like one of those guys who lives in the woods with his three wives who are his daughters waiting for the day the govt turns up so he can shoot them all.

CO2 is bad? what the f are you saying? You have no clue to what you write. holy crap. Greater CO2 is great for the world, and there is evidence to that. Pollution is not CO2 so I still have no idea what you think you're discussing, pollution or climate? Can you clarify for all the kids in the class?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Will it?

Prove it.

We've already covered it. You guys dong all the fear mongering, haven't proven that life can't or doesn't survive during periods of high CO2 levels and warm climates. Your fear mongering is completely unnecessary.

You're using fear to push a particular political agenda. If you're gonna push your 'Global Warming Apocalypse' agenda, the burden's on you to show how it's fact. Relying on your word or having 'Faith', just isn't good enough.

Because no one is saying LIFE can't survive during this time. Whether humans can is a completely different matter.

You're ignoring the fact that when things go out of control, then there are problems.

what exactly are we ignoring? What is out of control? Do you know what will be out of control? You have a crystal ball then?

Nothing is out of control yet, hopefully.

However, if you go into an unknown situation, do you A) jump in enthusiastically and hope for the best or B) go in cautiously and do it carefully so you can pull back if something goes wrong?

you didn't answer what we as humans are ignoring. What are we ignoring. Since you have no crystal ball then you have zero ability to predict the future. You also have zero evidence to even walk near making that statement.

I clearly stated what we're ignoring. "You're ignoring the fact that when things go out of control, then there are problems." See, I wrote it there.

So, if you don't have a crystal ball you can't predict the future? Are you nuts or something or have you been drinking?

 

[jc456]

We've already covered it. You guys dong all the fear mongering, haven't proven that life can't or doesn't survive during periods of high CO2 levels and warm climates. Your fear mongering is completely unnecessary.

You're using fear to push a particular political agenda. If you're gonna push your 'Global Warming Apocalypse' agenda, the burden's on you to show how it's fact. Relying on your word or having 'Faith', just isn't good enough.

Because no one is saying LIFE can't survive during this time. Whether humans can is a completely different matter.

You're ignoring the fact that when things go out of control, then there are problems.

what exactly are we ignoring? What is out of control? Do you know what will be out of control? You have a crystal ball then?

Nothing is out of control yet, hopefully.

However, if you go into an unknown situation, do you A) jump in enthusiastically and hope for the best or B) go in cautiously and do it carefully so you can pull back if something goes wrong?

you didn't answer what we as humans are ignoring. What are we ignoring. Since you have no crystal ball then you have zero ability to predict the future. You also have zero evidence to even walk near making that statement.

I clearly stated what we're ignoring. "You're ignoring the fact that when things go out of control, then there are problems." See, I wrote it there.

So, if you don't have a crystal ball you can't predict the future? Are you nuts or something or have you been drinking?

what is expected to go out of control and why? you have been as clear as mud.

 

[frigidweirdo]

What's 'fucking up the planet?' What do you mean? And who are you to force others to go along with your 'Global Warming Apocalypse' agenda? As i said, you can go ahead and live in fear of the Global Warming Boogeyman. I won't stop you. You make that decision. Just don't think you're gonna force more Government oppression on others. We're not all gonna go along with that. Sorry, but that's just the way it is.

Humans are fucking up this planet.

Who am I to force? I'm forcing people? No, I'm not. I'm on here trying to convince people.

But who are you to force your pollution, your increase in CO2 and other greenhouse gases on me? You literally are forcing this. I breathe this shit.

You won't go along with it, well, unless of course the govt decides you're wrong. How is it oppression? You're oppressed because there's more renewable energy? Jeez, you sound like one of those guys who lives in the woods with his three wives who are his daughters waiting for the day the govt turns up so he can shoot them all.

CO2 is bad? what the f are you saying? You have no clue to what you write. holy crap. Greater CO2 is great for the world, and there is evidence to that. Pollution is not CO2 so I still have no idea what you think you're discussing, pollution or climate? Can you clarify for all the kids in the class?

CO2 is a greenhouse gas. We know the impact of greenhouse gases on the planet.

You're saying CO2 is great for the world. Yeah, if your view is that without human beings the world is a better place.

CO2 is part of pollution.

http://environment.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/pollution-overview/

The National Geographic says "Carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas, is the main pollutant that is warming Earth. "

So, the National Geographic says CO2 is a pollutant, you say it isn't. Who would I believe......? Not difficult is it, really?

What we're talking about, this for those who are a little slow, is MAN MADE CLIMATE CHANGE caused by POLLUTION emitted from HUMAN ACTION. It's not that hard, is it?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Because no one is saying LIFE can't survive during this time. Whether humans can is a completely different matter.

You're ignoring the fact that when things go out of control, then there are problems.

what exactly are we ignoring? What is out of control? Do you know what will be out of control? You have a crystal ball then?

Nothing is out of control yet, hopefully.

However, if you go into an unknown situation, do you A) jump in enthusiastically and hope for the best or B) go in cautiously and do it carefully so you can pull back if something goes wrong?

you didn't answer what we as humans are ignoring. What are we ignoring. Since you have no crystal ball then you have zero ability to predict the future. You also have zero evidence to even walk near making that statement.

I clearly stated what we're ignoring. "You're ignoring the fact that when things go out of control, then there are problems." See, I wrote it there.

So, if you don't have a crystal ball you can't predict the future? Are you nuts or something or have you been drinking?

what is expected to go out of control and why? you have been as clear as mud.

Look, if you can't understand what I've written, you might as well not bother. When you've learnt English, come back.

 

[jc456]

What's 'fucking up the planet?' What do you mean? And who are you to force others to go along with your 'Global Warming Apocalypse' agenda? As i said, you can go ahead and live in fear of the Global Warming Boogeyman. I won't stop you. You make that decision. Just don't think you're gonna force more Government oppression on others. We're not all gonna go along with that. Sorry, but that's just the way it is.

Humans are fucking up this planet.

Who am I to force? I'm forcing people? No, I'm not. I'm on here trying to convince people.

But who are you to force your pollution, your increase in CO2 and other greenhouse gases on me? You literally are forcing this. I breathe this shit.

You won't go along with it, well, unless of course the govt decides you're wrong. How is it oppression? You're oppressed because there's more renewable energy? Jeez, you sound like one of those guys who lives in the woods with his three wives who are his daughters waiting for the day the govt turns up so he can shoot them all.

CO2 is bad? what the f are you saying? You have no clue to what you write. holy crap. Greater CO2 is great for the world, and there is evidence to that. Pollution is not CO2 so I still have no idea what you think you're discussing, pollution or climate? Can you clarify for all the kids in the class?

CO2 is a greenhouse gas. We know the impact of greenhouse gases on the planet.

You're saying CO2 is great for the world. Yeah, if your view is that without human beings the world is a better place.

CO2 is part of pollution.

http://environment.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/pollution-overview/

The National Geographic says "Carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas, is the main pollutant that is warming Earth. "

So, the National Geographic says CO2 is a pollutant, you say it isn't. Who would I believe......? Not difficult is it, really?

What we're talking about, this for those who are a little slow, is MAN MADE CLIMATE CHANGE caused by POLLUTION emitted from HUMAN ACTION. It's not that hard, is it?

Humans are fucking up this planet.

How are humans doing that? explain?


CO2 is part of pollution.
you know humans exhale CO2 right? Holy shite.

You're saying CO2 is great for the world. Yeah, if your view is that without human beings the world is a better place

exactly, plants and trees grow much better meaning more food for everyone. Bigger plants more oxygen!!!!

Why is it you want humans dead?

CO2 is a greenhouse gas. We know the impact of greenhouse gases on the planet.

why don't you post up an experiment that proves this point. Please go for it.

 

[paulitician]

So... we go to a more tropical situation. How many countries in a wet tropical climate do well? Central Africa? No, not really. Brazil is doing okay, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar?

Some do okay.

The thing is that life can thrive in such conditions. I'm not saying they can't. Dinosaurs seemed to do well. But then they died out. Humans thrive in places between the cold and the hot jungle. If the whole world suddenly changes then for humanity things will change.

In the heat we use a lot of air conditioning. The hotter it gets, the more electricity we'll use, the more pollution we'll pump out and things will just keep getting worse.

Potentially things getting colder will be bad for humanity too. However this is natural. We know, more or less, the impact this will have on the world, we know it will change and go back.

The point I've made quite a few times is with change that isn't controllable, that isn't natural, that could do something that we can't predict, can't deal with.

More CO2 will not spell the end of humanity. Might get a little warmer and wetter, but humanity will survive. All the hysterical fear mongering is totally unnecessary.

Will it?

Prove it.

We've already covered it. You guys dong all the fear mongering, haven't proven that life can't or doesn't survive during periods of high CO2 levels and warm climates. Your fear mongering is completely unnecessary.

You're using fear to push a particular political agenda. If you're gonna push your 'Global Warming Apocalypse' agenda, the burden's on you to show how it's fact. Relying on your word or having 'Faith', just isn't good enough.

Because no one is saying LIFE can't survive during this time. Whether humans can is a completely different matter.

You're ignoring the fact that when things go out of control, then there are problems.

what exactly are we ignoring? What is out of control? Do you know what will be out of control? You have a crystal ball then?

So much hysterical fear. It's sad.

 

[paulitician]

More CO2 will not spell the end of humanity. Might get a little warmer and wetter, but humanity will survive. All the hysterical fear mongering is totally unnecessary.

Will it?

Prove it.

We've already covered it. You guys dong all the fear mongering, haven't proven that life can't or doesn't survive during periods of high CO2 levels and warm climates. Your fear mongering is completely unnecessary.

You're using fear to push a particular political agenda. If you're gonna push your 'Global Warming Apocalypse' agenda, the burden's on you to show how it's fact. Relying on your word or having 'Faith', just isn't good enough.

Because no one is saying LIFE can't survive during this time. Whether humans can is a completely different matter.

You're ignoring the fact that when things go out of control, then there are problems.

What's your solution to ending Climate Change? I'm fair-minded, i'm willing to listen.

dude I've asked dozens of times and to date, no answer given. They don't even know what problem to solve, so having a solution to that is impossible. But the sky is falling in their worlds, that's all.

I've already asked for the Warming zealots to tell us what their plan is to stop Climate Change. Haven't gotten anything out of em yet. My guess is that it's a massive One World Government takeover. Oppressive Taxation and complete control of the People. But count me out on that. I'll take my chances with the Global Warming Boogeyman.

 

[paulitician]

More CO2 will not spell the end of humanity. Might get a little warmer and wetter, but humanity will survive. All the hysterical fear mongering is totally unnecessary.

Will it?

Prove it.

We've already covered it. You guys dong all the fear mongering, haven't proven that life can't or doesn't survive during periods of high CO2 levels and warm climates. Your fear mongering is completely unnecessary.

You're using fear to push a particular political agenda. If you're gonna push your 'Global Warming Apocalypse' agenda, the burden's on you to show how it's fact. Relying on your word or having 'Faith', just isn't good enough.

Because no one is saying LIFE can't survive during this time. Whether humans can is a completely different matter.

You're ignoring the fact that when things go out of control, then there are problems.

What's your solution to ending Climate Change? I'm fair-minded, i'm willing to listen.

I never said I wanted to end climate change.

What I said was that I want humans to stop polluting the Earth. To become closer to the planet we are on, rather than to be continually trying to make it worse.

How? Reduce our dependence on stuff produced by oil/coal etc etc.

Such as: Various places have put a price on plastic bags from supermarkets etc. Why do we even need plastic bags. We have way too much packaging for our own good. Why not change to a system of containers, where things come in renewable containers?

Having things like vehicles which are more energy efficient. How many people really need their car to be as gas guzzling as it is? Not many!

Using more renewable energy.

Some countries are doing this already, like Germany. The US has a certain amount of renewable energy but has the potential for more. Countries like India would probably benefit massively from the development of such technology. Without the leading countries developing this sort of thing, the poorer countries will be reliant on polluting energy.


So much stuff comes out of the right in the US about responsibility. Oh, if someone commits a crime, it's the criminal who is responsible. Someone said the take responsibility seriously.
Where does responsibility come into play when it concerns the environment and the state of the planet? Seemingly the right all of a sudden forget what responsibility means.

We have a responsibility to animals, nature, the planet itself. But it gets ignored.

See where you're headed? More & more Government oppression and control. Where does it end? And we all wanna see less pollution, but that's not Climate Change.

 

[paulitician]

What's 'fucking up the planet?' What do you mean? And who are you to force others to go along with your 'Global Warming Apocalypse' agenda? As i said, you can go ahead and live in fear of the Global Warming Boogeyman. I won't stop you. You make that decision. Just don't think you're gonna force more Government oppression on others. We're not all gonna go along with that. Sorry, but that's just the way it is.

Humans are fucking up this planet.

Who am I to force? I'm forcing people? No, I'm not. I'm on here trying to convince people.

But who are you to force your pollution, your increase in CO2 and other greenhouse gases on me? You literally are forcing this. I breathe this shit.

You won't go along with it, well, unless of course the govt decides you're wrong. How is it oppression? You're oppressed because there's more renewable energy? Jeez, you sound like one of those guys who lives in the woods with his three wives who are his daughters waiting for the day the govt turns up so he can shoot them all.

Totally clueless..

CO2 is not a pollutant. If it is, why dont YOU stop emitting it as you place more CO2 into the area around you than we do globally.

You rant and rave about Government knows best, but you refuse to see the lies they are telling you and you refuse to look into the real science of the matter.

It appears your the real science denier..

More Government taxing and controlling the People is their solution. The solution is worse than the 'problem' in my opinion. I'd rather take my chances with the Global Warming Boogeyman than with the warming cult.

 

[paulitician]

Will it?

Prove it.

We've already covered it. You guys dong all the fear mongering, haven't proven that life can't or doesn't survive during periods of high CO2 levels and warm climates. Your fear mongering is completely unnecessary.

You're using fear to push a particular political agenda. If you're gonna push your 'Global Warming Apocalypse' agenda, the burden's on you to show how it's fact. Relying on your word or having 'Faith', just isn't good enough.

Because no one is saying LIFE can't survive during this time. Whether humans can is a completely different matter.

You're ignoring the fact that when things go out of control, then there are problems.

What's your solution to ending Climate Change? I'm fair-minded, i'm willing to listen.

dude I've asked dozens of times and to date, no answer given. They don't even know what problem to solve, so having a solution to that is impossible. But the sky is falling in their worlds, that's all.

The problem to solve is the amount of pollution we pump out. Not just into the air, into the sea too. There's so much rubbish floating around in the sea it's ridiculous. It's destroying our eco systems. The creatures in the sea are dying out. We're damaging everything, changing everything, and we don't know the impact this will have.

If sea life dies, what impact will this have on the planet? Well, it might not take in CO2, if it doesn't take in CO2, then what? Well the air then takes the brunt of this. How much CO2 does the ocean take in? I don't know, but it could be a lot more CO2 than is in the air right now.
If temperatures change then many animals might die out, it might destroy the eco system on the land. If we can't fertilize our plants, we will struggle to grow food. No food will lead to starvation, war, all sorts of things.

This is one potential issue. It might happen. It might not happen. Are you willing to take that risk?

The Apocalypse fear mongering has gotten old. You guys over-played your hand. The People are fatigued. And your solutions are worse than the 'problems.' Some of us are choosing to not live in fear of End-Times. I suggest you start doing the same. Life really is short.

 

[paulitician]

What's 'fucking up the planet?' What do you mean? And who are you to force others to go along with your 'Global Warming Apocalypse' agenda? As i said, you can go ahead and live in fear of the Global Warming Boogeyman. I won't stop you. You make that decision. Just don't think you're gonna force more Government oppression on others. We're not all gonna go along with that. Sorry, but that's just the way it is.

Humans are fucking up this planet.

Who am I to force? I'm forcing people? No, I'm not. I'm on here trying to convince people.

But who are you to force your pollution, your increase in CO2 and other greenhouse gases on me? You literally are forcing this. I breathe this shit.

You won't go along with it, well, unless of course the govt decides you're wrong. How is it oppression? You're oppressed because there's more renewable energy? Jeez, you sound like one of those guys who lives in the woods with his three wives who are his daughters waiting for the day the govt turns up so he can shoot them all.

OK Moron, How are we fucking up the planet with CO2?

Below are two rates of warming from the Hadcrut3 lower troposphere. One is from the period 1900 through 1950 and the the other is 1951 through 2000. Below each is the rate of warming.

The trend for the period 1900-1950 is 0.51 deg C or 0.103/decade

This trend occurred before CO2 became a rapidly increasing according to the IPCC and is near or is the Natural Variation rate.

The trend for 1951-2000 is 0.50 deg C or 0.100 deg C/decade.

This means that the two rates of warming are statistically insignificant DESPITE the rapid rise in CO2 and equal to NATURAL VARIATION..

So by simple observation we can see the problem with the hypothesis of runaway temp caused by CO2. During the time they claim runway rise it was nothing of the sort and even given the rise in CO2 there was no discernible increase in that natural rise. (Not to mention the last 19 years of no temp rise while CO2 continued showing absolutely no correlation or causation)

SO tell us how you ascertained that CO2 was was causing warming, or catastrophic warming... The empirical evidence calls you evidence deficient and one who has no empirical facts.

Don't bother, the Warming zealots will just move the goal posts. First it was 'We're all gonna die from Global Warming', now it's 'We're all gonna die from Climate Change.' Next it's gonna be 'We're all gonna die from Plastic.' It'll always be something. They want their massive One World Government takeover. And they'll use any fear mongering tactic they can to achieve that.

The World Government Globalists are just preying on human nature. Humans have a natural inclination to fear 'End-Times.' They truly fear their inevitable demise. It's all about fear. But the bottom line is, their solutions are far worse than their concocted 'problems.' Personally, i'm going with Freedom & Liberty. I value my freedom much more than i fear a Global Warming Boogeyman.

 

[frigidweirdo]

What's 'fucking up the planet?' What do you mean? And who are you to force others to go along with your 'Global Warming Apocalypse' agenda? As i said, you can go ahead and live in fear of the Global Warming Boogeyman. I won't stop you. You make that decision. Just don't think you're gonna force more Government oppression on others. We're not all gonna go along with that. Sorry, but that's just the way it is.

Humans are fucking up this planet.

Who am I to force? I'm forcing people? No, I'm not. I'm on here trying to convince people.

But who are you to force your pollution, your increase in CO2 and other greenhouse gases on me? You literally are forcing this. I breathe this shit.

You won't go along with it, well, unless of course the govt decides you're wrong. How is it oppression? You're oppressed because there's more renewable energy? Jeez, you sound like one of those guys who lives in the woods with his three wives who are his daughters waiting for the day the govt turns up so he can shoot them all.

CO2 is bad? what the f are you saying? You have no clue to what you write. holy crap. Greater CO2 is great for the world, and there is evidence to that. Pollution is not CO2 so I still have no idea what you think you're discussing, pollution or climate? Can you clarify for all the kids in the class?

CO2 is a greenhouse gas. We know the impact of greenhouse gases on the planet.

You're saying CO2 is great for the world. Yeah, if your view is that without human beings the world is a better place.

CO2 is part of pollution.

http://environment.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/pollution-overview/

The National Geographic says "Carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas, is the main pollutant that is warming Earth. "

So, the National Geographic says CO2 is a pollutant, you say it isn't. Who would I believe......? Not difficult is it, really?

What we're talking about, this for those who are a little slow, is MAN MADE CLIMATE CHANGE caused by POLLUTION emitted from HUMAN ACTION. It's not that hard, is it?

Humans are fucking up this planet.

How are humans doing that? explain?


CO2 is part of pollution.
you know humans exhale CO2 right? Holy shite.

You're saying CO2 is great for the world. Yeah, if your view is that without human beings the world is a better place

exactly, plants and trees grow much better meaning more food for everyone. Bigger plants more oxygen!!!!

Why is it you want humans dead?

CO2 is a greenhouse gas. We know the impact of greenhouse gases on the planet.

why don't you post up an experiment that proves this point. Please go for it.

How are humans fucking up the planet?

Where do I start? Destroying the oceans.

http://ocean.nationalgeographic.com/ocean/critical-issues-marine-habitat-destruction/

Outlook: Human's Impact on the Oceans

"In fact, evidence of humans can be found all over the oceans, even in the most remote polar areas, in the form of floating trash. The main areas of human impact can be divided into those related to ocean pollution, habitat destruction, and the introduction of alien species."

Destruction of coral reefs, floating trash, killing of species of fish,

Great Pacific garbage patch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Destruction of the rain forests which provide oxygen and take in CO2.

http://environment.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/deforestation-overview/

"Deforestation is clearing Earth's forests on a massive scale, often resulting in damage to the quality of the land. Forests still cover about 30 percent of the world’s land area, but swaths the size of Panama are lost each and every year."

"The world’s rain forests could completely vanish in a hundred years at the current rate of deforestation."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080125100314.htm

"Geologists from the University of Portsmouth are proposing that humankind has so changed the earth that it has brought about an end to one epoch of earth’s history and marked the start of another. They believe that human dominance has so physically altered the earth that the Holocene epoch has ended and we have entered a new epoch - the Anthropocene."

"They examined phenomena such as changes in the patterns of sediment erosion and deposition, major disturbances to the carbon cycle and global temperature, ocean acidification and wholesale changes to the world’s plants and animals."

I could go on all day, I don't have time.

CO2 is produced naturally. This isn't what we're talking about. Everything that exists on the planet was, at one point, NATURAL. Oil is natural. A plastic bag floating in the ocean and killing animals is not natural. CO2 from animals is natural. CO2 from a coal power station is not.

You understand that we're talking MAN MADE CLIMATE CHANGE here right? And that the impact of man on the Earth includes things like extra CO2 being pumped in the air which is CHANGING the climate from the natural cycle to an unnatural cycle, right?

I'm sure you can figure out what CO2 does as a greenhouse gas for yourself. This is something quite basic within this topic. I'd have thought we'd be able to get beyond that. Also, no time right now, I'm off the internet for many hours.

 

[paulitician]

Will it?

Prove it.

We've already covered it. You guys dong all the fear mongering, haven't proven that life can't or doesn't survive during periods of high CO2 levels and warm climates. Your fear mongering is completely unnecessary.

You're using fear to push a particular political agenda. If you're gonna push your 'Global Warming Apocalypse' agenda, the burden's on you to show how it's fact. Relying on your word or having 'Faith', just isn't good enough.

Because no one is saying LIFE can't survive during this time. Whether humans can is a completely different matter.

You're ignoring the fact that when things go out of control, then there are problems.

what exactly are we ignoring? What is out of control? Do you know what will be out of control? You have a crystal ball then?

Nothing is out of control yet, hopefully.

However, if you go into an unknown situation, do you A) jump in enthusiastically and hope for the best or B) go in cautiously and do it carefully so you can pull back if something goes wrong?

you didn't answer what we as humans are ignoring. What are we ignoring. Since you have no crystal ball then you have zero ability to predict the future. You also have zero evidence to even walk near making that statement.

We're all bad. We wanna die. We're ignoring the impending Apocalypse. All part of their fear mongering agenda. And once you call Bullshit on em, they'll just move the goal posts. 'Global Warming today, Ice Age tomorrow, etc etc...

The reality is, their solutions are far worse than their perceived 'problems,' So i'm gonna go ahead and take my chances with the Global Warming Boogeyman. Bring on the warmth!

 

[paulitician]

We've already covered it. You guys dong all the fear mongering, haven't proven that life can't or doesn't survive during periods of high CO2 levels and warm climates. Your fear mongering is completely unnecessary.

You're using fear to push a particular political agenda. If you're gonna push your 'Global Warming Apocalypse' agenda, the burden's on you to show how it's fact. Relying on your word or having 'Faith', just isn't good enough.

Because no one is saying LIFE can't survive during this time. Whether humans can is a completely different matter.

You're ignoring the fact that when things go out of control, then there are problems.

what exactly are we ignoring? What is out of control? Do you know what will be out of control? You have a crystal ball then?

Nothing is out of control yet, hopefully.

However, if you go into an unknown situation, do you A) jump in enthusiastically and hope for the best or B) go in cautiously and do it carefully so you can pull back if something goes wrong?

you didn't answer what we as humans are ignoring. What are we ignoring. Since you have no crystal ball then you have zero ability to predict the future. You also have zero evidence to even walk near making that statement.

I clearly stated what we're ignoring. "You're ignoring the fact that when things go out of control, then there are problems." See, I wrote it there.

So, if you don't have a crystal ball you can't predict the future? Are you nuts or something or have you been drinking?

You still haven't adequately articulated your solutions to Climate Change.

 

[paulitician]

What's 'fucking up the planet?' What do you mean? And who are you to force others to go along with your 'Global Warming Apocalypse' agenda? As i said, you can go ahead and live in fear of the Global Warming Boogeyman. I won't stop you. You make that decision. Just don't think you're gonna force more Government oppression on others. We're not all gonna go along with that. Sorry, but that's just the way it is.

Humans are fucking up this planet.

Who am I to force? I'm forcing people? No, I'm not. I'm on here trying to convince people.

But who are you to force your pollution, your increase in CO2 and other greenhouse gases on me? You literally are forcing this. I breathe this shit.

You won't go along with it, well, unless of course the govt decides you're wrong. How is it oppression? You're oppressed because there's more renewable energy? Jeez, you sound like one of those guys who lives in the woods with his three wives who are his daughters waiting for the day the govt turns up so he can shoot them all.

CO2 is bad? what the f are you saying? You have no clue to what you write. holy crap. Greater CO2 is great for the world, and there is evidence to that. Pollution is not CO2 so I still have no idea what you think you're discussing, pollution or climate? Can you clarify for all the kids in the class?

CO2 is a greenhouse gas. We know the impact of greenhouse gases on the planet.

You're saying CO2 is great for the world. Yeah, if your view is that without human beings the world is a better place.

CO2 is part of pollution.

http://environment.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/pollution-overview/

The National Geographic says "Carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas, is the main pollutant that is warming Earth. "

So, the National Geographic says CO2 is a pollutant, you say it isn't. Who would I believe......? Not difficult is it, really?

What we're talking about, this for those who are a little slow, is MAN MADE CLIMATE CHANGE caused by POLLUTION emitted from HUMAN ACTION. It's not that hard, is it?

Humans are fucking up this planet.

How are humans doing that? explain?


CO2 is part of pollution.
you know humans exhale CO2 right? Holy shite.

You're saying CO2 is great for the world. Yeah, if your view is that without human beings the world is a better place

exactly, plants and trees grow much better meaning more food for everyone. Bigger plants more oxygen!!!!

Why is it you want humans dead?

CO2 is a greenhouse gas. We know the impact of greenhouse gases on the planet.

why don't you post up an experiment that proves this point. Please go for it.

How are humans fucking up the planet?

Where do I start? Destroying the oceans.

http://ocean.nationalgeographic.com/ocean/critical-issues-marine-habitat-destruction/

Outlook: Human's Impact on the Oceans

"In fact, evidence of humans can be found all over the oceans, even in the most remote polar areas, in the form of floating trash. The main areas of human impact can be divided into those related to ocean pollution, habitat destruction, and the introduction of alien species."

Destruction of coral reefs, floating trash, killing of species of fish,

Great Pacific garbage patch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Destruction of the rain forests which provide oxygen and take in CO2.

http://environment.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/deforestation-overview/

"Deforestation is clearing Earth's forests on a massive scale, often resulting in damage to the quality of the land. Forests still cover about 30 percent of the world’s land area, but swaths the size of Panama are lost each and every year."

"The world’s rain forests could completely vanish in a hundred years at the current rate of deforestation."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080125100314.htm

"Geologists from the University of Portsmouth are proposing that humankind has so changed the earth that it has brought about an end to one epoch of earth’s history and marked the start of another. They believe that human dominance has so physically altered the earth that the Holocene epoch has ended and we have entered a new epoch - the Anthropocene."

"They examined phenomena such as changes in the patterns of sediment erosion and deposition, major disturbances to the carbon cycle and global temperature, ocean acidification and wholesale changes to the world’s plants and animals."

I could go on all day, I don't have time.

CO2 is produced naturally. This isn't what we're talking about. Everything that exists on the planet was, at one point, NATURAL. Oil is natural. A plastic bag floating in the ocean and killing animals is not natural. CO2 from animals is natural. CO2 from a coal power station is not.

You understand that we're talking MAN MADE CLIMATE CHANGE here right? And that the impact of man on the Earth includes things like extra CO2 being pumped in the air which is CHANGING the climate from the natural cycle to an unnatural cycle, right?

I'm sure you can figure out what CO2 does as a greenhouse gas for yourself. This is something quite basic within this topic. I'd have thought we'd be able to get beyond that. Also, no time right now, I'm off the internet for many hours.

Greenhouses are not harmful to life. In fact, it's the exact opposite. More CO2 doesn't spell the end. Your premise is all wrong. So the rest of your fear mongering argument can't be taken seriously.

 

[mamooth]

Check it out. Paulitician is absolutely obsessed with his fear mongering. He won't stop shrieking until everyone is as hysterical as he is about the phantom socialists who are all out to get him.

Frigid, trying to reach him with logic is pointless, as you're talking to a TrueBeliever. He wasn't reasoned into his beliefs, so he can't be reasoned out of them. Such people are addicted to the emotional warm fuzzies that their cult membership brings them, and like any addict, they'll have to hit rock bottom before they want to recover.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Dude you are wrong Oil companies since the 80's were pouring billions into alternative energy, not trying to stop it, they are in the business to make a profit for Christ sake, what I could find so far they couldn't make a profit at it.


Forbes


Wrong link



Alternative Energy And Big Oil: Poor Returns Versus `Lies'

Yeah, I've seen all that. It's pretty funny really. They used alternative energy as a sort of "hey guys, look, we're the nice guys", complete bull really.

Basically they aren't putting much money into it at all.

Big Oil's Big Lies About Alternative Energy | Rolling Stone

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Big Oil's Big Lies About Alternative Energy"

Here's one such article that talks about the lies of the oil industry.

"In April, BP announced that it is selling off its entire $3.1 billion U.S. wind energy business – including 16 farms spread across nine states – as "part of a continuing effort to become a more focused oil and gas company," according to a company spokesperson. Indeed, though it famously rebranded itself "Beyond Petroleum" in 2000, BP also exited the solar energy business back in 2011. Today, its alternative energy investments are limited to biofuels and a lone wind farm in the Netherlands."

I read this article before, but didn't have time to respond.

I found it again through Forbes

Alternative Energy And Big Oil: Poor Returns Versus `Lies'

This article hits back, sort of.

"Many plowed millions of dollars into alternative energy programs during the past decade, but those investments have generated little, if any, return. "

Firstly, "many millions of dollars" equates to almost nothing of the company. These are companies that make billions. So, these investments have generated little, if any return. Sure, oil companies are about money. I understand. Having a part of a company that doesn't make money isn't necessarily good for business. So they've pulled back.

However the future is going to be renewables, but the largest polluting companies in the US and Europe are the ones who are pulling back from greener energy. Maybe one day green energy will be where the money is. These companies are, as with many in capitalism, thinking about share prices today and tomorrow. Not in 20 years time, 50 years time etc. This could be their downfall in the future.

But here's the thing. The oil companies have not only been pulling back from renewable resources.

Oil Giants Gassed Out On Renewable Energy | OilPrice.com

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Oil Giants Gassed Out On Renewable Energy"

The Price of Oil: Blocking Alternatives - Oil Change International

"In the United States and most industrialized countries, the federal government still strongly favors the oil industry with subsidiesthat block clean energy alternatives."

So, the US govt, the ones who make millions out of the oil industry, scratch the back of the oil industry that scratches their back.

"Estimates of the value of U.S. federal subsidies to the domestic oil industry alone (not coal) range from roughly $6 billion a year, to an amazing $39 billion annually. Internationally, subsidies are even more difficult to estimate but they are likely more than $775 billion annually (and perhaps as much as a trillion), of which at least $100 billion are production subsidies – going straight to fossil fuel corporations."

You have to ask why companies who make so much money are being given money. The right love the oil industry and cry foul when people get given hand outs, and yet the oil companies seem to escape from this outcry.

BP sabotage of green energy

"But almost all of the technology was sold off and much of the research locked away in a private corporate archive."

So, they did research, then.... didn't use it.... why?

BP pays United States anti-climate science senator

"Can there be any doubt in anyone’s mind that BP (British Petroleum) is currently at work on a new ad campaign to try and convince the public that they actually care about the environment and have a conscience about the environmental nightmare they let loose along the Gulf Coast?"

With an oil disaster, like the one BP were involved in, they spend millions (more than they spend on green energy) on advertising themselves to look good. It's all rubbish really, but in the US people are easily bought by good advertising as we all know.

"Jim Inhofe, a Republican senator from Oklahoma who has tirelessly campaigned against calls for a carbon tax and challenges the overwhelming consensus on climate change, received $10,000 (£6,700) from BP’s political action committee (PAC)."

Why are BP going around giving money to people who do their work for them? Most people who work for a company expect to be paid to do so. However should Congressmen really be paid to do the work of big oil companies to make sure people like denying man made climate change?

if they're sooooo interested in green energy, why would they do this?

Too funny; A laundry list of bull shit from left wing conspiracy kook sources.. Inhofe wants SCIENCE to be done on this subject and throw out the dam political pseudoscience that has created this huge lie.. You got problems with real facts getting in the way of your agenda?

 

[Billy_Bob]

What's 'fucking up the planet?' What do you mean? And who are you to force others to go along with your 'Global Warming Apocalypse' agenda? As i said, you can go ahead and live in fear of the Global Warming Boogeyman. I won't stop you. You make that decision. Just don't think you're gonna force more Government oppression on others. We're not all gonna go along with that. Sorry, but that's just the way it is.

Humans are fucking up this planet.

Who am I to force? I'm forcing people? No, I'm not. I'm on here trying to convince people.

But who are you to force your pollution, your increase in CO2 and other greenhouse gases on me? You literally are forcing this. I breathe this shit.

You won't go along with it, well, unless of course the govt decides you're wrong. How is it oppression? You're oppressed because there's more renewable energy? Jeez, you sound like one of those guys who lives in the woods with his three wives who are his daughters waiting for the day the govt turns up so he can shoot them all.

CO2 is bad? what the f are you saying? You have no clue to what you write. holy crap. Greater CO2 is great for the world, and there is evidence to that. Pollution is not CO2 so I still have no idea what you think you're discussing, pollution or climate? Can you clarify for all the kids in the class?

CO2 is a greenhouse gas. We know the impact of greenhouse gases on the planet.

You're saying CO2 is great for the world. Yeah, if your view is that without human beings the world is a better place.

CO2 is part of pollution.

http://environment.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/pollution-overview/

The National Geographic says "Carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas, is the main pollutant that is warming Earth. "

So, the National Geographic says CO2 is a pollutant, you say it isn't. Who would I believe......? Not difficult is it, really?

What we're talking about, this for those who are a little slow, is MAN MADE CLIMATE CHANGE caused by POLLUTION emitted from HUMAN ACTION. It's not that hard, is it?

EPIC FAIL...

Prove CO2 is messing up anything... I have already posted the empirical evidence that shows your Bull Shit a lie. Refute the empirical evidence or STFU!

 

[frigidweirdo]

Will it?

Prove it.

We've already covered it. You guys dong all the fear mongering, haven't proven that life can't or doesn't survive during periods of high CO2 levels and warm climates. Your fear mongering is completely unnecessary.

You're using fear to push a particular political agenda. If you're gonna push your 'Global Warming Apocalypse' agenda, the burden's on you to show how it's fact. Relying on your word or having 'Faith', just isn't good enough.

Because no one is saying LIFE can't survive during this time. Whether humans can is a completely different matter.

You're ignoring the fact that when things go out of control, then there are problems.

What's your solution to ending Climate Change? I'm fair-minded, i'm willing to listen.

I never said I wanted to end climate change.

What I said was that I want humans to stop polluting the Earth. To become closer to the planet we are on, rather than to be continually trying to make it worse.

How? Reduce our dependence on stuff produced by oil/coal etc etc.

Such as: Various places have put a price on plastic bags from supermarkets etc. Why do we even need plastic bags. We have way too much packaging for our own good. Why not change to a system of containers, where things come in renewable containers?

Having things like vehicles which are more energy efficient. How many people really need their car to be as gas guzzling as it is? Not many!

Using more renewable energy.

Some countries are doing this already, like Germany. The US has a certain amount of renewable energy but has the potential for more. Countries like India would probably benefit massively from the development of such technology. Without the leading countries developing this sort of thing, the poorer countries will be reliant on polluting energy.


So much stuff comes out of the right in the US about responsibility. Oh, if someone commits a crime, it's the criminal who is responsible. Someone said the take responsibility seriously.
Where does responsibility come into play when it concerns the environment and the state of the planet? Seemingly the right all of a sudden forget what responsibility means.

We have a responsibility to animals, nature, the planet itself. But it gets ignored.

See where you're headed? More & more Government oppression and control. Where does it end? And we all wanna see less pollution, but that's not Climate Change.

Oppression and control. Er..... What? You sound like someone just shouting off words they know might hit a cord, even though people don't know.

It's like shouting Communist to try and nullify someone's argument. It's boring, not worthy of debate in the slightest.