scientology vs IRS

[eagle1462010]

Most of the proposals give a 0% rate for those in poverty............
The tax code gives loop holes out the ass to those you want to target.......
A simplified code without deductions ensures they have to pay.....

So what's the problem.........

Really? Because that is not what Ben said.

"We need a significantly changed taxation system," Carson said in the prime-time GOP debate last week. "And the one that I've advocated is based on tithing, because I think God is a pretty fair guy. And he said, you know, if you give me a tithe, it doesn't matter how much you make. If you've had a bumper crop, you don't owe me triple tithes. And if you've had no crops at all, you don't owe me no tithes. So there must be something inherently fair about that.

"And that's why I've advocated a proportional tax system. You make $10 billion, you pay a billion. You make $10, you pay one. And everybody gets treated the same way. And you get rid of the deductions, you get rid of all the loopholes."

"We need a significantly changed taxation system," Carson said in the prime-time GOP debate last week. "And the one that I've advocated is based on tithing, because I think God is a pretty fair guy. And he said, you know, if you give me a tithe, it doesn't matter how much you make. If you've had a bumper crop, you don't owe me triple tithes. And if you've had no crops at all, you don't owe me no tithes. So there must be something inherently fair about that.

"And that's why I've advocated a proportional tax system. You make $10 billion, you pay a billion. You make $10, you pay one. And everybody gets treated the same way. And you get rid of the deductions, you get rid of all the loopholes."

He was quoting the simplicity of it............not a final plan................

He said the rate would be 15% or so not staying with the 10%...........never heard him say anything against the no taxes up to $35,000 that Cruz suggested.......................

If we weren't so polarized.......perhaps we could negotiate the simple flat tax out..............

On Corporate Taxes...........Trump proposed it going down to 15%...................to try and stop the Inversion which fell on deaf ears during the debate......................because we need Investment here as we have a stagnant economy............

What are the solutions offered from the Dems other than increase taxes.......or add more pages to the code to close loop holes....................................................................

Simplify the system..............and end the abuse..............Your Dem leaders are for the big corp on your side just as the GOP is trying to keep the loop holes.....................perhaps you should push this agenda to your side as well???????????

You can argue, but here he is saying just exactly what I said above. Call Ben a liar if you like, but he's talking about raising taxes on the poor. The plan he's talking about in the video would actually cut taxes for the wealthy, and raise taxes on the poor. You'd think that would be a pretty hard sell, wouldn't ya?

And is that the final negotiated deal...............I too think everyone should have skin in the game...........but am willing to compromise on the final deal..............................

Those in poverty still pay no taxes..............I'm okay with that for the simplified system if that is what is needed to simplify the code..........

What is the Dem counter offer to that?

That's not what he fucking said. I'm not arguing your plan, I'm arguing against Ben's plan.

Has his plan been negotiated.................Has he stated he would not compromise................

I haven't seen that.........................

Again.............what is the Dems plan?

 

[Carla_Danger]

Really? Because that is not what Ben said.

"We need a significantly changed taxation system," Carson said in the prime-time GOP debate last week. "And the one that I've advocated is based on tithing, because I think God is a pretty fair guy. And he said, you know, if you give me a tithe, it doesn't matter how much you make. If you've had a bumper crop, you don't owe me triple tithes. And if you've had no crops at all, you don't owe me no tithes. So there must be something inherently fair about that.

"And that's why I've advocated a proportional tax system. You make $10 billion, you pay a billion. You make $10, you pay one. And everybody gets treated the same way. And you get rid of the deductions, you get rid of all the loopholes."

"We need a significantly changed taxation system," Carson said in the prime-time GOP debate last week. "And the one that I've advocated is based on tithing, because I think God is a pretty fair guy. And he said, you know, if you give me a tithe, it doesn't matter how much you make. If you've had a bumper crop, you don't owe me triple tithes. And if you've had no crops at all, you don't owe me no tithes. So there must be something inherently fair about that.

"And that's why I've advocated a proportional tax system. You make $10 billion, you pay a billion. You make $10, you pay one. And everybody gets treated the same way. And you get rid of the deductions, you get rid of all the loopholes."

He was quoting the simplicity of it............not a final plan................

He said the rate would be 15% or so not staying with the 10%...........never heard him say anything against the no taxes up to $35,000 that Cruz suggested.......................

If we weren't so polarized.......perhaps we could negotiate the simple flat tax out..............

On Corporate Taxes...........Trump proposed it going down to 15%...................to try and stop the Inversion which fell on deaf ears during the debate......................because we need Investment here as we have a stagnant economy............

What are the solutions offered from the Dems other than increase taxes.......or add more pages to the code to close loop holes....................................................................

Simplify the system..............and end the abuse..............Your Dem leaders are for the big corp on your side just as the GOP is trying to keep the loop holes.....................perhaps you should push this agenda to your side as well???????????

You can argue, but here he is saying just exactly what I said above. Call Ben a liar if you like, but he's talking about raising taxes on the poor. The plan he's talking about in the video would actually cut taxes for the wealthy, and raise taxes on the poor. You'd think that would be a pretty hard sell, wouldn't ya?

And is that the final negotiated deal...............I too think everyone should have skin in the game...........but am willing to compromise on the final deal..............................

Those in poverty still pay no taxes..............I'm okay with that for the simplified system if that is what is needed to simplify the code..........

What is the Dem counter offer to that?

That's not what he fucking said. I'm not arguing your plan, I'm arguing against Ben's plan.

Has his plan been negotiated.................Has he stated he would not compromise................

I haven't seen that.........................

Again.............what is the Dems plan?

He sounded pretty damn clear that he wants to raise taxes on poor people, did he not?

 

[eagle1462010]

He was quoting the simplicity of it............not a final plan................

He said the rate would be 15% or so not staying with the 10%...........never heard him say anything against the no taxes up to $35,000 that Cruz suggested.......................

If we weren't so polarized.......perhaps we could negotiate the simple flat tax out..............

On Corporate Taxes...........Trump proposed it going down to 15%...................to try and stop the Inversion which fell on deaf ears during the debate......................because we need Investment here as we have a stagnant economy............

What are the solutions offered from the Dems other than increase taxes.......or add more pages to the code to close loop holes....................................................................

Simplify the system..............and end the abuse..............Your Dem leaders are for the big corp on your side just as the GOP is trying to keep the loop holes.....................perhaps you should push this agenda to your side as well???????????

You can argue, but here he is saying just exactly what I said above. Call Ben a liar if you like, but he's talking about raising taxes on the poor. The plan he's talking about in the video would actually cut taxes for the wealthy, and raise taxes on the poor. You'd think that would be a pretty hard sell, wouldn't ya?

And is that the final negotiated deal...............I too think everyone should have skin in the game...........but am willing to compromise on the final deal..............................

Those in poverty still pay no taxes..............I'm okay with that for the simplified system if that is what is needed to simplify the code..........

What is the Dem counter offer to that?

That's not what he fucking said. I'm not arguing your plan, I'm arguing against Ben's plan.

Has his plan been negotiated.................Has he stated he would not compromise................

I haven't seen that.........................

Again.............what is the Dems plan?

He sounded pretty damn clear that he wants to raise taxes on poor people, did he not?

He stated across the board................yes...............

Is that the final plan? Has the final deal been negotiated....................Nope..............

Again, what is the Dems proposal............

 

[Carla_Danger]

You can argue, but here he is saying just exactly what I said above. Call Ben a liar if you like, but he's talking about raising taxes on the poor. The plan he's talking about in the video would actually cut taxes for the wealthy, and raise taxes on the poor. You'd think that would be a pretty hard sell, wouldn't ya?

And is that the final negotiated deal...............I too think everyone should have skin in the game...........but am willing to compromise on the final deal..............................

Those in poverty still pay no taxes..............I'm okay with that for the simplified system if that is what is needed to simplify the code..........

What is the Dem counter offer to that?

That's not what he fucking said. I'm not arguing your plan, I'm arguing against Ben's plan.

Has his plan been negotiated.................Has he stated he would not compromise................

I haven't seen that.........................

Again.............what is the Dems plan?

He sounded pretty damn clear that he wants to raise taxes on poor people, did he not?

He stated across the board................yes...............

Is that the final plan? Has the final deal been negotiated....................Nope..............

Again, what is the Dems proposal............

I love how you nutters argue for Ben, against Ben. LOL!

 

[eagle1462010]

And is that the final negotiated deal...............I too think everyone should have skin in the game...........but am willing to compromise on the final deal..............................

Those in poverty still pay no taxes..............I'm okay with that for the simplified system if that is what is needed to simplify the code..........

What is the Dem counter offer to that?

That's not what he fucking said. I'm not arguing your plan, I'm arguing against Ben's plan.

Has his plan been negotiated.................Has he stated he would not compromise................

I haven't seen that.........................

Again.............what is the Dems plan?

He sounded pretty damn clear that he wants to raise taxes on poor people, did he not?

He stated across the board................yes...............

Is that the final plan? Has the final deal been negotiated....................Nope..............

Again, what is the Dems proposal............

I love how you nutters argue for Ben, against Ben. LOL!

I love how you refuse to give the Dems alternate plan................

Again, what is it......................

 

[Carla_Danger]

That's not what he fucking said. I'm not arguing your plan, I'm arguing against Ben's plan.

Has his plan been negotiated.................Has he stated he would not compromise................

I haven't seen that.........................

Again.............what is the Dems plan?

He sounded pretty damn clear that he wants to raise taxes on poor people, did he not?

He stated across the board................yes...............

Is that the final plan? Has the final deal been negotiated....................Nope..............

Again, what is the Dems proposal............

I love how you nutters argue for Ben, against Ben. LOL!

I love how you refuse to give the Dems alternate plan................

Again, what is it......................

Go look it up. I'm looking to game the system. I'm thinking about Noah's Ark 1st Church of Nutritional Supplements and Casino of Las Vegas.

I'm thinking about using Ben's ridiculous tithing system, tax exemption, then when all else fails, use bankruptcy laws to my advantage.

Are you with me, TheOldSchool?

 

[eagle1462010]

Has his plan been negotiated.................Has he stated he would not compromise................

I haven't seen that.........................

Again.............what is the Dems plan?

He sounded pretty damn clear that he wants to raise taxes on poor people, did he not?

He stated across the board................yes...............

Is that the final plan? Has the final deal been negotiated....................Nope..............

Again, what is the Dems proposal............

I love how you nutters argue for Ben, against Ben. LOL!

I love how you refuse to give the Dems alternate plan................

Again, what is it......................

Go look it up. I'm looking to game the system. I'm thinking about Noah's Ark 1st Church of Nutritional Supplements and Casino of Las Vegas.

I'm thinking about using Ben's ridiculous tithing system, tax exemption, then when all else fails, use bankruptcy laws to my advantage.

Nice deflection...............You know your party has no such plan............except to raise the taxes and the roof of the debt ceiling.............

Fools and their money soon depart.................Good luck in Vegas.

 

[Carla_Danger]

He sounded pretty damn clear that he wants to raise taxes on poor people, did he not?

He stated across the board................yes...............

Is that the final plan? Has the final deal been negotiated....................Nope..............

Again, what is the Dems proposal............

I love how you nutters argue for Ben, against Ben. LOL!

I love how you refuse to give the Dems alternate plan................

Again, what is it......................

Go look it up. I'm looking to game the system. I'm thinking about Noah's Ark 1st Church of Nutritional Supplements and Casino of Las Vegas.

I'm thinking about using Ben's ridiculous tithing system, tax exemption, then when all else fails, use bankruptcy laws to my advantage.

Nice deflection...............You know your party has no such plan............except to raise the taxes and the roof of the debt ceiling.............

Fools and their money soon depart.................Good luck in Vegas.

If you can show how Democrats plan to raise taxes on the poor, like Ben Carson, start a thread, send me an invite, and I'll join you in that discussion.

 

[eagle1462010]

He stated across the board................yes...............

Is that the final plan? Has the final deal been negotiated....................Nope..............

Again, what is the Dems proposal............

I love how you nutters argue for Ben, against Ben. LOL!

I love how you refuse to give the Dems alternate plan................

Again, what is it......................

Go look it up. I'm looking to game the system. I'm thinking about Noah's Ark 1st Church of Nutritional Supplements and Casino of Las Vegas.

I'm thinking about using Ben's ridiculous tithing system, tax exemption, then when all else fails, use bankruptcy laws to my advantage.

Nice deflection...............You know your party has no such plan............except to raise the taxes and the roof of the debt ceiling.............

Fools and their money soon depart.................Good luck in Vegas.

If you can show how Democrats plan to raise taxes on the poor, like Ben Carson, start a thread, send me an invite, and I'll join you in that discussion.

Again, deflection.............your side has no real plans but complains about others.............

Perhaps one day they will get their nuts back and actually give a plan.........until then they deserve to be sidelined for lack of ability to help the team...............

Again, bitch and moan without offering nothing in return and you are riding the bench..

It is Football Season ya know...............get us some water and a towel.........ya bunch of bench warmers.

 

[Carla_Danger]

I love how you nutters argue for Ben, against Ben. LOL!

I love how you refuse to give the Dems alternate plan................

Again, what is it......................

Go look it up. I'm looking to game the system. I'm thinking about Noah's Ark 1st Church of Nutritional Supplements and Casino of Las Vegas.

I'm thinking about using Ben's ridiculous tithing system, tax exemption, then when all else fails, use bankruptcy laws to my advantage.

Nice deflection...............You know your party has no such plan............except to raise the taxes and the roof of the debt ceiling.............

Fools and their money soon depart.................Good luck in Vegas.

If you can show how Democrats plan to raise taxes on the poor, like Ben Carson, start a thread, send me an invite, and I'll join you in that discussion.

Again, deflection.............your side has no real plans but complains about others.............

Perhaps one day they will get their nuts back and actually give a plan.........until then they deserve to be sidelined for lack of ability to help the team...............

Again, bitch and moan without offering nothing in return and you are riding the bench..

It is Football Season ya know...............get us some water and a towel.........ya bunch of bench warmers.

Um, this thread is about a crazy/cult religion, who rakes people over the coals, and wants a tax exemption status...not unlike other churches.

I can't use the Democrat plan on a get rich quick scheme, so why go there?

 

[eagle1462010]

I love how you refuse to give the Dems alternate plan................

Again, what is it......................

Go look it up. I'm looking to game the system. I'm thinking about Noah's Ark 1st Church of Nutritional Supplements and Casino of Las Vegas.

I'm thinking about using Ben's ridiculous tithing system, tax exemption, then when all else fails, use bankruptcy laws to my advantage.

Nice deflection...............You know your party has no such plan............except to raise the taxes and the roof of the debt ceiling.............

Fools and their money soon depart.................Good luck in Vegas.

If you can show how Democrats plan to raise taxes on the poor, like Ben Carson, start a thread, send me an invite, and I'll join you in that discussion.

Again, deflection.............your side has no real plans but complains about others.............

Perhaps one day they will get their nuts back and actually give a plan.........until then they deserve to be sidelined for lack of ability to help the team...............

Again, bitch and moan without offering nothing in return and you are riding the bench..

It is Football Season ya know...............get us some water and a towel.........ya bunch of bench warmers.

Um, this thread is about a crazy/cult religion, who rakes people over the coals, and wants a tax exemption status...not unlike other churches.

I can't use the Democrat plan on a get rich quick scheme, so why go there?

Your side has no plans except to keep the system as is and raise taxes................

Or you can show me their plan.......................which you will not............because it is either no plan or a it sucks plan..........

 

[Campbell]

Go look it up. I'm looking to game the system. I'm thinking about Noah's Ark 1st Church of Nutritional Supplements and Casino of Las Vegas.

I'm thinking about using Ben's ridiculous tithing system, tax exemption, then when all else fails, use bankruptcy laws to my advantage.

Nice deflection...............You know your party has no such plan............except to raise the taxes and the roof of the debt ceiling.............

Fools and their money soon depart.................Good luck in Vegas.

If you can show how Democrats plan to raise taxes on the poor, like Ben Carson, start a thread, send me an invite, and I'll join you in that discussion.

Again, deflection.............your side has no real plans but complains about others.............

Perhaps one day they will get their nuts back and actually give a plan.........until then they deserve to be sidelined for lack of ability to help the team...............

Again, bitch and moan without offering nothing in return and you are riding the bench..

It is Football Season ya know...............get us some water and a towel.........ya bunch of bench warmers.

Um, this thread is about a crazy/cult religion, who rakes people over the coals, and wants a tax exemption status...not unlike other churches.

I can't use the Democrat plan on a get rich quick scheme, so why go there?

Your side has no plans except to keep the system as is and raise taxes................

Or you can show me their plan.......................which you will not............because it is either no plan or a it sucks plan..........

What would be wrong about raising taxes and paying back the Reagan/Bushes debt?

..........................Total U S Debt...........................

09/30/2014 $17,824,071,380,733.82
09/30/2013 $16,738,183,526,697.32
09/30/2012 $16,066,241,407,385.89
09/30/2011 $14,790,340,328,557.15
09/30/2010 $13,561,623,030,891.79
09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)
09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accommodate Tens of Trillions)
09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)
09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)
09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)
09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)
09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38 ( Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)
09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00
09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)(Reagan Slashed Tax Rates To Pre Depression Levels)
09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

 

[Carla_Danger]

Go look it up. I'm looking to game the system. I'm thinking about Noah's Ark 1st Church of Nutritional Supplements and Casino of Las Vegas.

I'm thinking about using Ben's ridiculous tithing system, tax exemption, then when all else fails, use bankruptcy laws to my advantage.

Nice deflection...............You know your party has no such plan............except to raise the taxes and the roof of the debt ceiling.............

Fools and their money soon depart.................Good luck in Vegas.

If you can show how Democrats plan to raise taxes on the poor, like Ben Carson, start a thread, send me an invite, and I'll join you in that discussion.

Again, deflection.............your side has no real plans but complains about others.............

Perhaps one day they will get their nuts back and actually give a plan.........until then they deserve to be sidelined for lack of ability to help the team...............

Again, bitch and moan without offering nothing in return and you are riding the bench..

It is Football Season ya know...............get us some water and a towel.........ya bunch of bench warmers.

Um, this thread is about a crazy/cult religion, who rakes people over the coals, and wants a tax exemption status...not unlike other churches.

I can't use the Democrat plan on a get rich quick scheme, so why go there?

Your side has no plans except to keep the system as is and raise taxes................

Or you can show me their plan.......................which you will not............because it is either no plan or a it sucks plan..........

Trump says Bernie Sanders is going to tax you at 90 %.

Trump: Bernie Sanders wants to tax 'you people' at 90 percent

 

[eagle1462010]

Nice deflection...............You know your party has no such plan............except to raise the taxes and the roof of the debt ceiling.............

Fools and their money soon depart.................Good luck in Vegas.

If you can show how Democrats plan to raise taxes on the poor, like Ben Carson, start a thread, send me an invite, and I'll join you in that discussion.

Again, deflection.............your side has no real plans but complains about others.............

Perhaps one day they will get their nuts back and actually give a plan.........until then they deserve to be sidelined for lack of ability to help the team...............

Again, bitch and moan without offering nothing in return and you are riding the bench..

It is Football Season ya know...............get us some water and a towel.........ya bunch of bench warmers.

Um, this thread is about a crazy/cult religion, who rakes people over the coals, and wants a tax exemption status...not unlike other churches.

I can't use the Democrat plan on a get rich quick scheme, so why go there?

Your side has no plans except to keep the system as is and raise taxes................

Or you can show me their plan.......................which you will not............because it is either no plan or a it sucks plan..........

Trump says Bernie Sanders is going to tax you at 90 %.

Trump: Bernie Sanders wants to tax 'you people' at 90 percent

Technically Sanders did say so from the article........................but marginal rates...........as the scale goes up you get taxed at the higher rates above a certain level......................

So technically, the very rich could get taxed at the 90% rate under that system for the money above a certain amount...........

Bernie, Hillary, Obama and the rest of the Dems LOVE THE WORD TAX.................they always want to increase taxes....................we've all heard it from them and liberals on this board...........time and time again..............

Which is their plan.........now......................what is their OFFICIAL PLAN ON TAXATION.......................you have yet to respond.......

 

[SwimExpert]

He stated across the board................yes...............

Is that the final plan? Has the final deal been negotiated....................Nope..............

Again, what is the Dems proposal............

Ben Carson's plan will be to tax corporate profits up to 45 percent.

 

[SwimExpert]

Oh, and Scientology is bullshit.

 

[eagle1462010]

He stated across the board................yes...............

Is that the final plan? Has the final deal been negotiated....................Nope..............

Again, what is the Dems proposal............

Ben Carson's plan will be to tax corporate profits up to 45 percent.

I haven't seen that..............Link it...................

Because corporate Inversion are running at 35% rates...............to 12% rates in Canada, Ireland, and the UK.

 

[Mr Natural]

It's as valid as any other religion.

 

[eagle1462010]

Ben Carson on the Issues

Ben Carson on Tax Reform

Click here for other candidates on Tax Reform OR background on Tax Reform.

• Progressive taxation on the rich--that's socialism. (Sep 2015)
• God's a pretty fair guy, so tithing is better than FairTax. (Aug 2015)
• IRS unneeded with proportional flat tax system. (May 2015)
• God says tithe at 10%; no triple tithe for bumper crops. (May 2014)
• Bible endorses flat tax--10% tithing. (Feb 2013)
• Nothing in Constitution supports redistributing wealth. (Jan 2012)
• Not unpatriotic for rich to take advantage of loopholes. (Jan 2012)

Don't see that here...................

 

[SwimExpert]

He stated across the board................yes...............

Is that the final plan? Has the final deal been negotiated....................Nope..............

Again, what is the Dems proposal............

Ben Carson's plan will be to tax corporate profits up to 45 percent.

I haven't seen that..............Link it...................

Because corporate Inversion are running at 35% rates...............to 12% rates in Canada, Ireland, and the UK.

I already discussed it at length here:

Carson's tax plan: The epitome of stupid, meaningless, babble. | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum