Secretary Clinton almost ran for president on universal basic income

[g5000]

Not really, she may be on to something.

Her idea isn't bad, it's just how she would have wanted to fund it that's anti-capitalist.

I read an article (and started a topic) on universal income some time ago and I forget the name of the country that was going to put it to a vote. However unlike Hillary, their universal income was going to be funded by the elimination of all social programs. Here is what they came up with:

First eliminate all social programs including Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Welfare, SNAP's, SCHIP's, Food Stamps, WIC, HUD, Unemployment, all of them. Next, use that money to pay every adult $18,000 a year if I remember the figure correctly.

So now you have a tax free check of 18K every year. From that point on, it's all up to you what you want to do with it. If you can live on 18K a year plus a part-time job, go for it. Or perhaps you are married, you and your wife will receive 36K per year combined and retire. If you are younger, you can work full-time if desired and just use that money to repay a mortgage or invest. You do whatever you want with it.

If you want to have children or have more children, fine, but don't look to government for any money. You get 18K a year and that's it.

After they ran the numbers, they found it would cost the government much less money than maintaining their social programs. Plus nobody would have any reason to complain about the poor. The poor get the same as you do. If they want to have five kids, they have to support them--not us. If they want to get fat on that 18K a year instead of food stamps, fine, it's their money. They have no reason to complain about the middle-class or wealthy either. They will use their 18K checks for investments or perhaps an IRA account.

Such a system could eliminate the homeless. It would make the poor much more responsible since they would not be rewarded for irresponsible behavior as they are now. Nobody rich, poor or anything in between would have any right to complain about another social class. Every kid has a chance to attend college. We could eliminate thousands of government jobs who push paperwork and write the checks. We would save a ton of money too.

Nice theoretical application, but you know the idiots would blow their $$ on stupid shit, and will then look to government to bail them out. Then all those programs will return, one by one, until we are back where we are now, except with even more government control.

It's the same as trying to implement a national sales tax to replace the income tax. sooner or later they will want a new income tax ON TOP of the sales tax.

None of your doomsday predictions have come to pass in Alaska.

Alaska is the only place on Earth where universal basic income is a reality. It was started by Republicans in the 1970s and continues to this day.

In other countries where this concept has been tested, it has been a raging success.

In Namibia, it raised school attendance and reduced child malnutrition.

You are confused Moon Bat.

It is never a success to take money away from someone that earned it and give it to someone that didn't earn it. That is despicable.

In Alaska they are redistrbuting energy taxes that we all pay for. It was greedy thing for them to do.

Please watch the video I posted in post 43, dipshit.

"...energy taxes that we all pay for".

You are confused Moon Bat. Alaska collects a ton of taxes from oil and gas and that is where the money comes from.

And where do you think the money for welfare comes from, tard? TAXES!!!

The tax money to support Alaska's Permanent Fund comes from EXTRA taxes levied on the oil companies.

It's a tax on "excess profits". Socialist Palin decided how much profit was too much and punished them accordingly.

 

[g5000]

I can tell none of you tards watched the video.

Willful blindness and stupidity. You are all talking out of your asses about a subject you know nothing about.

 

[danielpalos]

she didn't do it because the numbers didn't add up. thoughts?

Hillary Clinton almost ran for president on a universal basic income

The more Secretary Clinton goes on TV and promotes her wonderful election loss, people in the middle say: "Oh wow, thats why I voted Trump"

It could function to simplify our taxes; the basic income would function as a tax credit for those too wealthy to need a cash disbursement.

 

[Flash]

I don't really care if the welfare queens complain. The cost of government in this country is too much and we need to cut out all welfare, subsidies, entitlements and bailouts.

Agreed, but do you think that's even a remote possibility?


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Of course not. We will never do the right thing and do away with the welfare state.

Agreed, so this idea of universal income might not be too bad of an idea if we could use it to replace all social programs.


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We are in agreement that we don't want a welfare state. I would like to accept you alternative plan but the idea of giving anybody money they didn't earn is too disgusting.

I understand, but for people like us who are the ones that are constantly giving and never taking, it's an idea that would finally work in our favor for a change.

For instance I have these MF HUD people living next door to me; been nothing but a pain in the ass since they moved in. We've called the cops about a half-dozen times already and they haven't even been here for a year yet.

So what are they doing in the suburbs? HUD put them here. HUD targets areas to destroy and then sets out to destroy them by moving their lowlifes there.

By replacing HUD with universal income, they would leave in a heartbeat. They would have to pay their rent on their own and move back to the ghetto where they belong where housing is half the price it is here.

Like I said, I can think of a lot of advantages to it.

These welfare queens are the scum of this country but they are the ones that keep the filthy Liberals in office. As long as they are the Democrat core voting block you can be assured the Democrats will keep them poor.

 

[danielpalos]

Agreed, but do you think that's even a remote possibility?


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Of course not. We will never do the right thing and do away with the welfare state.

Agreed, so this idea of universal income might not be too bad of an idea if we could use it to replace all social programs.


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We are in agreement that we don't want a welfare state. I would like to accept you alternative plan but the idea of giving anybody money they didn't earn is too disgusting.

I understand, but for people like us who are the ones that are constantly giving and never taking, it's an idea that would finally work in our favor for a change.

For instance I have these MF HUD people living next door to me; been nothing but a pain in the ass since they moved in. We've called the cops about a half-dozen times already and they haven't even been here for a year yet.

So what are they doing in the suburbs? HUD put them here. HUD targets areas to destroy and then sets out to destroy them by moving their lowlifes there.

By replacing HUD with universal income, they would leave in a heartbeat. They would have to pay their rent on their own and move back to the ghetto where they belong where housing is half the price it is here.

Like I said, I can think of a lot of advantages to it.

These welfare queens are the scum of this country but they are the ones that keep the filthy Liberals in office. As long as they are the Democrat core voting block you can be assured the Democrats will keep them poor.

Just right wing propaganda and rhetoric.

 

[basquebromance]

America doesn't support the Dems radical agenda. that's why Secretary Clinton didn't go with her idea

 

[danielpalos]

America doesn't support the Dems radical agenda. that's why Secretary Clinton didn't go with her idea

She also lost to Mr. Trump.

 

[Tom Horn]

Sarah embraced the socialist program, cuck. She slapped an excess profits tax on Alaska's oil companies while she was running as the conservative MILF VP candidate.

The severance task had nothing to do with "socialism" ya fucking geek....It was passed to increase the average Alaskan's share of a boom in oil prices and stop the chicanery going on between legislators and company men. And it did exactly what it was intended to do at the time for a unique situation that is Alaska and the agreement about who profits from their resources. Since oil revenue is most of the state's budget, she could easily have done nothing which is what you stinking communists do and left the money in the hands of statist bureaucrats.

 

[g5000]

Sarah embraced the socialist program, cuck. She slapped an excess profits tax on Alaska's oil companies while she was running as the conservative MILF VP candidate.

The severance task had nothing to do with "socialism" ya fucking geek....It was passed to increase the average Alaskan's share of a boom in oil prices and stop the chicanery going on between legislators and company men. And it did exactly what it was intended to do at the time for a unique situation that is Alaska and the agreement about who profits from their resources. Since oil revenue is most of the state's budget, she could easily have done nothing which is what you stinking communists do and left the money in the hands of statist bureaucrats.

So taking those "excess profits" from the oil companies and redistributing it is cool if Sarah does it!

Check.

I like how you think not taxing oil companies more means "leaving money in the hands of statist bureaucrats".

When the MILF adds an extra tax, you're okay with it.

You're a commie and don't even know it.

 

[g5000]

See, there is the regular tax all the companies in Alaska pay.

And then when the oil companies made the "highest profits in the history of the world", the MILF Palin hit them with an ADDITIONAL tax to "take those profits" for redistribution.


Just. Like. This:

 

[Tom Horn]

Since your masters' view of being a "progressive" ended in 1933 with FDR, you don't have a clue what modern capitalism is. Worker participation in a company's profits (bonuses) is a long-established practice. The Alaskan revenue-sharing model is simply a way for the state to reward it's residents and to attract new residents. Prices are extremely high there because of transportation costs. They are also the only state that collects no sales task or state income tax. But by all means keep lying and making a fool of yourself.

 

[danielpalos]

Since your masters' view of being a "progressive" ended in 1933 with FDR, you don't have a clue what modern capitalism is. Worker participation in a company's profits (bonuses) is a long-established practice. The Alaskan revenue-sharing model is simply a way for the state to reward it's residents and to attract new residents. Prices are extremely high there because of transportation costs. They are also the only state that collects no sales task or state income tax. But by all means keep lying and making a fool of yourself.

Dear, socialism is all about, income redistribution.

 

[Tom Horn]

Since your masters' view of being a "progressive" ended in 1933 with FDR, you don't have a clue what modern capitalism is. Worker participation in a company's profits (bonuses) is a long-established practice. The Alaskan revenue-sharing model is simply a way for the state to reward it's residents and to attract new residents. Prices are extremely high there because of transportation costs. They are also the only state that collects no sales task or state income tax. But by all means keep lying and making a fool of yourself.

Dear, socialism is all about, income redistribution.

"Dear"? are all you leftists queers? There is no "REdistribution" in Alaska...the money is directly allocated to legitimate citizens based on the dollar price of a barrel of oil sent south for refining. PERIOD end of discussion.

 

[EverCurious]

She was actually wise to drop the Alaska PFD as an example of basic income because last year it proved that it was not that at all and it would have blown up in her face.

The shitty part about governments is they always need [more] money and they really don't give a shit who they fuck over to get it. The second Alaska has an economic downturn, the government confiscates the PFD...

 

[danielpalos]

Since your masters' view of being a "progressive" ended in 1933 with FDR, you don't have a clue what modern capitalism is. Worker participation in a company's profits (bonuses) is a long-established practice. The Alaskan revenue-sharing model is simply a way for the state to reward it's residents and to attract new residents. Prices are extremely high there because of transportation costs. They are also the only state that collects no sales task or state income tax. But by all means keep lying and making a fool of yourself.

Dear, socialism is all about, income redistribution.

"Dear"? are all you leftists queers? There is no "REdistribution" in Alaska...the money is directly allocated to legitimate citizens based on the dollar price of a barrel of oil sent south for refining. PERIOD end of discussion.

dear, only wo-men use that type of logic.

Even State Capitalism, is form of socialism.

 

[Tom Horn]

She was actually wise to drop the Alaska PFD as an example of basic income because last year it proved that it was not that at all and it would have blown up in her face.

The shitty part about governments is they always need [more] money and they really don't give a shit who they fuck over to get it. The second Alaska has an economic downturn, the government confiscates the PFD...

The TAP flow is down by 2/3rds since the Kenyan cocksucker expanded his "protected" areas from drilling. So the only alternative was to move to tar sand oil which is dirty and harder to refine. Then the fucking communist cut off the Keystone XL to stab the oil industry in the face. But they got the oil from the Bakken to Houston by rail car, which casts off more pollution than a tube. Trump needs to move to overturn the Kenyan's EOs bans on ANWR 1001 and others to get that pure Alaskan light-sweet crude flowing again. Alaska will be fine now that we have an American back in the White House.

 

[Tom Horn]

dear, only wo-men use that type of logic.

Even State Capitalism, is form of socialism.

Your future is AIDS and living out your final days a boring little twit.

 

[EverCurious]

She was actually wise to drop the Alaska PFD as an example of basic income because last year it proved that it was not that at all and it would have blown up in her face.

The shitty part about governments is they always need [more] money and they really don't give a shit who they fuck over to get it. The second Alaska has an economic downturn, the government confiscates the PFD...

The TAP flow is down by 2/3rds since the Kenyan cocksucker expanded his "protected" areas from drilling. So the only alternative was to move to tar sand oil which is dirty and harder to refine. Then the fucking communist cut off the Keystone XL to stab the oil industry in the face. But they got the oil from the Bakken to Houston by rail car, which casts off more pollution than a tube. Trump needs to move to overturn the Kenyan's EOs bans on ANWR 1001 and others to get that pure Alaskan light-sweet crude flowing again. Alaska will be fine now that we have an American back in the White House.

Oh I'm sure Alaska will be fine, we're up our state gov's butt to fix our budget regardless of OPEC manipulations and regulations.

That said, the glaring flaw in the idea of basic income is the fact that the second the Gov needs more money they'll raid the pantry and piss it away on special interests, tax breaks, or whatever else hair they get up their butt. I mean shit, the reason they raided the fund is because they didn't want to spend our government savings heh

 

[Tom Horn]

Oh I'm sure Alaska will be fine, we're up our state gov's butt to fix our budget regardless of OPEC manipulations and regulations.

That said, the glaring flaw in the idea of basic income is the fact that the second the Gov needs more money they'll raid the pantry and piss it away on special interests, tax breaks, or whatever else hair they get up their butt. I mean shit, the reason they raided the fund is because they didn't want to spend our government savings heh

You need to rid yourselves of Lisa Murkowski....she's a hyena same as her daddy was.

 

[EverCurious]

Ironically for your post Tom Horn - The most popular suggestion from Alaskan's to make our budget ends meet was a gas tax; we're used to paying more for gas so, in general, most folks already had it in their personal annual budgets to pay for over the year, vs suddenly losing a grand or two in October (when the PFD pays out) and when most Alaskan's have set up to pay their bigger bills (the years worth of auto insurance, the pets shots and vet visits, etc.)