Sen Joe McCarthy: American Patriot and Hero

[HUGGY]

Want to wager 10K Frank? One of my old partners in the early 80s was a former FBI agent from that era.
You read books, I am in the intelligence business for 32 years Frank. I own a fully top tier licensed detective agency for 32 years.
NO intelligence organization wants information spread around in Washington in front of cameras.
That is just common sense Frank. Do we do that now? Have hearings about the intelligence we conduct on TV?
Only a naive gullible book buying ideologue believes that.
That would be you. Here's your sign.

I don't give a fuck about your friends or whatever "Street creds" you're holding out, the fact remains you don't have a single fucking fact correct about what actually happened with McCarthy.

The only part you got right was his name was Joe McCarthy, everything else you've been a patsy of a 65-year long Progressive disinformation campaign.

You still have no idea what McCarthy said or what he hoped to accomplish or why he made his Wheeling Speech or went before the Senate. Your ignorance is disgraceful.

Since Progressives lost their media monopoly, the facts have come out that the people McCarthy wanted the Senate to investigate have been confirmed as genuine Communist Spies by Moscow. You have no response and no answer to that other than parroting the crap and nonsense you were spoon-fed your entire life.

Once again: a patriot at State handed McCarthy a list of Genuine Card Carrying Communist at State and McCarthy made a speech that he had a list but would not mention any names!

Your ignorance is painful.

American intelligence operations dating back to the early 1940s Frank that relied on communist spies that were gathering intelligence about the Osenberg List were still in operation into the 70s until the fall of the Berlin Wall. Your claims that the United States had no intelligence operations in eastern Europe during WWII involving gathering intelligence on Russia are unbelievable. We were heavily involved with shipping military supplies to Russia as they were an ally and after the Siege of Leningrad in 1943 we damn well knew that Germany was at a large disadvantage with the Ruskies to the east. We also knew that their scientists were being gathered AND MOST IMPORTANTLY the Soviets had operations in place to kidnap as many as possible as early as late 1941. Included in this large scale OSS intelligence operation was the cultivation of Soviet government spies working for us. Operation Paperclip paid a pant load of $$ to Soviet military officers and other Soviet intelligence operatives for double espionage operations to ensure the bulk of German scientists came our way. These initial intelligence operations carried on with many of the same operatives and operational cells until the 1990s with the JIOA.
CIOS continued other efforts concerned about middle eastern countries bidding for the services of German scientists with nuclear smarts created more intelligence operations in that arena. Stay behind operations, HUMINT and Covert Action, was formed in 1945 and was the further continuation of Soviet Bloc, now the Warsaw Pact, infiltration with agents for intelligence behind the Soviet lines.
In 1948 the OPC was formed Frank. Thiswas not CIA controlled. Hell, they did not trust anyone as they were labeled "intragency". These boys ran behind the lines counter intelligence behind the Iron Curtain. During the time that your boy McCarthy was blabbing his mouth the CIA merged the OPC and OSO labeled as The Directorate of Plans. This combined intelligence from the various behind the Iron Curtain intelligence networks we had including networks that were in Washington. You do know that at all times we had intelligence in Washington with Soviet spies in and out of government giving detailed information on the Soviet government and the passing of information both ways.
Frank, are you denying that Joe McCarthy seriously damaged these operations and that the military knew that and that is why McCarthy also accused them of having communists?
What you lack is a thorough background of the facts.
NO intelligence operation ever wants an investigation of what is going on ON NATIONAL TV.

Don't take the buzz of Frankies hysteria and harsh it with fax. This should have been a 100 reply thread tops but he and his doppleganger PoliticalChicklets are like miniature pitbulls clinging to a chew toy...

 

[PoliticalChic]

I don't give a fuck about your friends or whatever "Street creds" you're holding out, the fact remains you don't have a single fucking fact correct about what actually happened with McCarthy.

The only part you got right was his name was Joe McCarthy, everything else you've been a patsy of a 65-year long Progressive disinformation campaign.

You still have no idea what McCarthy said or what he hoped to accomplish or why he made his Wheeling Speech or went before the Senate. Your ignorance is disgraceful.

Since Progressives lost their media monopoly, the facts have come out that the people McCarthy wanted the Senate to investigate have been confirmed as genuine Communist Spies by Moscow. You have no response and no answer to that other than parroting the crap and nonsense you were spoon-fed your entire life.

Once again: a patriot at State handed McCarthy a list of Genuine Card Carrying Communist at State and McCarthy made a speech that he had a list but would not mention any names!

Your ignorance is painful.

American intelligence operations dating back to the early 1940s Frank that relied on communist spies that were gathering intelligence about the Osenberg List were still in operation into the 70s until the fall of the Berlin Wall. Your claims that the United States had no intelligence operations in eastern Europe during WWII involving gathering intelligence on Russia are unbelievable. We were heavily involved with shipping military supplies to Russia as they were an ally and after the Siege of Leningrad in 1943 we damn well knew that Germany was at a large disadvantage with the Ruskies to the east. We also knew that their scientists were being gathered AND MOST IMPORTANTLY the Soviets had operations in place to kidnap as many as possible as early as late 1941. Included in this large scale OSS intelligence operation was the cultivation of Soviet government spies working for us. Operation Paperclip paid a pant load of $$ to Soviet military officers and other Soviet intelligence operatives for double espionage operations to ensure the bulk of German scientists came our way. These initial intelligence operations carried on with many of the same operatives and operational cells until the 1990s with the JIOA.
CIOS continued other efforts concerned about middle eastern countries bidding for the services of German scientists with nuclear smarts created more intelligence operations in that arena. Stay behind operations, HUMINT and Covert Action, was formed in 1945 and was the further continuation of Soviet Bloc, now the Warsaw Pact, infiltration with agents for intelligence behind the Soviet lines.
In 1948 the OPC was formed Frank. Thiswas not CIA controlled. Hell, they did not trust anyone as they were labeled "intragency". These boys ran behind the lines counter intelligence behind the Iron Curtain. During the time that your boy McCarthy was blabbing his mouth the CIA merged the OPC and OSO labeled as The Directorate of Plans. This combined intelligence from the various behind the Iron Curtain intelligence networks we had including networks that were in Washington. You do know that at all times we had intelligence in Washington with Soviet spies in and out of government giving detailed information on the Soviet government and the passing of information both ways.
Frank, are you denying that Joe McCarthy seriously damaged these operations and that the military knew that and that is why McCarthy also accused them of having communists?
What you lack is a thorough background of the facts.
NO intelligence operation ever wants an investigation of what is going on ON NATIONAL TV.

Don't take the buzz of Frankies hysteria and harsh it with fax. This should have been a 100 reply thread tops but he and his doppleganger PoliticalChicklets are like miniature pitbulls clinging to a chew toy...

G-r-r-rrrrrrrrrrrrrr

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Want to wager 10K Frank? One of my old partners in the early 80s was a former FBI agent from that era.
You read books, I am in the intelligence business for 32 years Frank. I own a fully top tier licensed detective agency for 32 years.
NO intelligence organization wants information spread around in Washington in front of cameras.
That is just common sense Frank. Do we do that now? Have hearings about the intelligence we conduct on TV?
Only a naive gullible book buying ideologue believes that.
That would be you. Here's your sign.

I don't give a fuck about your friends or whatever "Street creds" you're holding out, the fact remains you don't have a single fucking fact correct about what actually happened with McCarthy.

The only part you got right was his name was Joe McCarthy, everything else you've been a patsy of a 65-year long Progressive disinformation campaign.

You still have no idea what McCarthy said or what he hoped to accomplish or why he made his Wheeling Speech or went before the Senate. Your ignorance is disgraceful.

Since Progressives lost their media monopoly, the facts have come out that the people McCarthy wanted the Senate to investigate have been confirmed as genuine Communist Spies by Moscow. You have no response and no answer to that other than parroting the crap and nonsense you were spoon-fed your entire life.

Once again: a patriot at State handed McCarthy a list of Genuine Card Carrying Communist at State and McCarthy made a speech that he had a list but would not mention any names!

Your ignorance is painful.

American intelligence operations dating back to the early 1940s Frank that relied on communist spies that were gathering intelligence about the Osenberg List were still in operation into the 70s until the fall of the Berlin Wall. Your claims that the United States had no intelligence operations in eastern Europe during WWII involving gathering intelligence on Russia are unbelievable. We were heavily involved with shipping military supplies to Russia as they were an ally and after the Siege of Leningrad in 1943 we damn well knew that Germany was at a large disadvantage with the Ruskies to the east. We also knew that their scientists were being gathered AND MOST IMPORTANTLY the Soviets had operations in place to kidnap as many as possible as early as late 1941. Included in this large scale OSS intelligence operation was the cultivation of Soviet government spies working for us. Operation Paperclip paid a pant load of $$ to Soviet military officers and other Soviet intelligence operatives for double espionage operations to ensure the bulk of German scientists came our way. These initial intelligence operations carried on with many of the same operatives and operational cells until the 1990s with the JIOA.
CIOS continued other efforts concerned about middle eastern countries bidding for the services of German scientists with nuclear smarts created more intelligence operations in that arena. Stay behind operations, HUMINT and Covert Action, was formed in 1945 and was the further continuation of Soviet Bloc, now the Warsaw Pact, infiltration with agents for intelligence behind the Soviet lines.
In 1948 the OPC was formed Frank. Thiswas not CIA controlled. Hell, they did not trust anyone as they were labeled "intragency". These boys ran behind the lines counter intelligence behind the Iron Curtain. During the time that your boy McCarthy was blabbing his mouth the CIA merged the OPC and OSO labeled as The Directorate of Plans. This combined intelligence from the various behind the Iron Curtain intelligence networks we had including networks that were in Washington. You do know that at all times we had intelligence in Washington with Soviet spies in and out of government giving detailed information on the Soviet government and the passing of information both ways.
Frank, are you denying that Joe McCarthy seriously damaged these operations and that the military knew that and that is why McCarthy also accused them of having communists?
What you lack is a thorough background of the facts.
NO intelligence operation ever wants an investigation of what is going on ON NATIONAL TV.

First, I never claimed "...that the United States had no intelligence operations in eastern Europe during WWII involving gathering intelligence on Russia are unbelievable." You're just making shit up.

Second, the whole problem was that the Soviet spies at State twisted US policy to support Mao instead of Shek, Tito in Yugoslavia and gave Eastern Europe to the Rooskies after WWII, so whatever "Operations" we had, we were getting our lunch taken from us on a daily basis by the people McCarthy wanted to investigate. By the time McCarthy went on record in 1950, over a billion people were subject to Communists thanks to their operation at US State and as a topper...

IN JUST A FEW MONTHS THE CHICOMS WOULD GIVE THE GO AHEAD TO START THE KOREAN WAR!

Whatever good our Intel was doing was DWARFED by what the Commies were doing to FDR and Truman via US State.

All Joe McCarthy was asking in Feb 1950 was why we had Card Carrying Communists at US State. The Democrats that ran Congress then did everything they could to protect the Commies at State and destroy McCarthy.

That's McCarthyism.

Get educated

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I don't give a fuck about your friends or whatever "Street creds" you're holding out, the fact remains you don't have a single fucking fact correct about what actually happened with McCarthy.

The only part you got right was his name was Joe McCarthy, everything else you've been a patsy of a 65-year long Progressive disinformation campaign.

You still have no idea what McCarthy said or what he hoped to accomplish or why he made his Wheeling Speech or went before the Senate. Your ignorance is disgraceful.

Since Progressives lost their media monopoly, the facts have come out that the people McCarthy wanted the Senate to investigate have been confirmed as genuine Communist Spies by Moscow. You have no response and no answer to that other than parroting the crap and nonsense you were spoon-fed your entire life.

Once again: a patriot at State handed McCarthy a list of Genuine Card Carrying Communist at State and McCarthy made a speech that he had a list but would not mention any names!

Your ignorance is painful.

American intelligence operations dating back to the early 1940s Frank that relied on communist spies that were gathering intelligence about the Osenberg List were still in operation into the 70s until the fall of the Berlin Wall. Your claims that the United States had no intelligence operations in eastern Europe during WWII involving gathering intelligence on Russia are unbelievable. We were heavily involved with shipping military supplies to Russia as they were an ally and after the Siege of Leningrad in 1943 we damn well knew that Germany was at a large disadvantage with the Ruskies to the east. We also knew that their scientists were being gathered AND MOST IMPORTANTLY the Soviets had operations in place to kidnap as many as possible as early as late 1941. Included in this large scale OSS intelligence operation was the cultivation of Soviet government spies working for us. Operation Paperclip paid a pant load of $$ to Soviet military officers and other Soviet intelligence operatives for double espionage operations to ensure the bulk of German scientists came our way. These initial intelligence operations carried on with many of the same operatives and operational cells until the 1990s with the JIOA.
CIOS continued other efforts concerned about middle eastern countries bidding for the services of German scientists with nuclear smarts created more intelligence operations in that arena. Stay behind operations, HUMINT and Covert Action, was formed in 1945 and was the further continuation of Soviet Bloc, now the Warsaw Pact, infiltration with agents for intelligence behind the Soviet lines.
In 1948 the OPC was formed Frank. Thiswas not CIA controlled. Hell, they did not trust anyone as they were labeled "intragency". These boys ran behind the lines counter intelligence behind the Iron Curtain. During the time that your boy McCarthy was blabbing his mouth the CIA merged the OPC and OSO labeled as The Directorate of Plans. This combined intelligence from the various behind the Iron Curtain intelligence networks we had including networks that were in Washington. You do know that at all times we had intelligence in Washington with Soviet spies in and out of government giving detailed information on the Soviet government and the passing of information both ways.
Frank, are you denying that Joe McCarthy seriously damaged these operations and that the military knew that and that is why McCarthy also accused them of having communists?
What you lack is a thorough background of the facts.
NO intelligence operation ever wants an investigation of what is going on ON NATIONAL TV.

Don't take the buzz of Frankies hysteria and harsh it with fax. This should have been a 100 reply thread tops but he and his doppleganger PoliticalChicklets are like miniature pitbulls clinging to a chew toy...

Here's this thread:

Frank & PC post facts about McCarthy from FBI and Soviet files vindicating McCarthy initial charges, US Sate was indeed infiltrated.

Huggy, GFB28, Starkey & others: McCarthy ruined Zero Mostel!!!

Get a fucking clue

Oh, and the chief researcher for the book Blacklisted also visited and Hiroshima-ed the uneducated opposition

 

[HUGGY]

Tower:"Uhhhh..United heavy...you are next for take off...did you hear McCarthy was screwed?.."

United 695 "Come again tower?..."

Tower: "UHhhh...Ya...wind northwest 10 mph...altimeter two niner dot niner ...Ya did ya read THE BOOK?...take off when ready.."

United 695: "Lay off the caffeine...have a nice day"

 

[JakeStarkey]

You're full of crap and ignorant to boot

Want to wager 10K Frank? One of my old partners in the early 80s was a former FBI agent from that era.
You read books, I am in the intelligence business for 32 years Frank. I own a fully top tier licensed detective agency for 32 years.
NO intelligence organization wants information spread around in Washington in front of cameras.
That is just common sense Frank. Do we do that now? Have hearings about the intelligence we conduct on TV?
Only a naive gullible book buying ideologue believes that.
That would be you. Here's your sign.

I don't give a fuck about your friends or whatever "Street creds" you're holding out, the fact remains you don't have a single fucking fact correct about what actually happened with McCarthy.

The only part you got right was his name was Joe McCarthy, everything else you've been a patsy of a 65-year long Progressive disinformation campaign.

You still have no idea what McCarthy said or what he hoped to accomplish or why he made his Wheeling Speech or went before the Senate. Your ignorance is disgraceful.

Since Progressives lost their media monopoly, the facts have come out that the people McCarthy wanted the Senate to investigate have been confirmed as genuine Communist Spies by Moscow. You have no response and no answer to that other than parroting the crap and nonsense you were spoon-fed your entire life.

Once again: a patriot at State handed McCarthy a list of Genuine Card Carrying Communist at State and McCarthy made a speech that he had a list but would not mention any names!

Your ignorance is painful.

Frank, you are disinformation program is disgraceful. McCarthy "revealed" what everybody knew, he screwed innocent people, and was a drunk. This is not American heroism, by anyone's stretch of imagination.

You don't like the truth? No one cares, Frank.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I don't give a fuck about your friends or whatever "Street creds" you're holding out, the fact remains you don't have a single fucking fact correct about what actually happened with McCarthy.

The only part you got right was his name was Joe McCarthy, everything else you've been a patsy of a 65-year long Progressive disinformation campaign.

You still have no idea what McCarthy said or what he hoped to accomplish or why he made his Wheeling Speech or went before the Senate. Your ignorance is disgraceful.

Since Progressives lost their media monopoly, the facts have come out that the people McCarthy wanted the Senate to investigate have been confirmed as genuine Communist Spies by Moscow. You have no response and no answer to that other than parroting the crap and nonsense you were spoon-fed your entire life.

Once again: a patriot at State handed McCarthy a list of Genuine Card Carrying Communist at State and McCarthy made a speech that he had a list but would not mention any names!

Your ignorance is painful.

American intelligence operations dating back to the early 1940s Frank that relied on communist spies that were gathering intelligence about the Osenberg List were still in operation into the 70s until the fall of the Berlin Wall. Your claims that the United States had no intelligence operations in eastern Europe during WWII involving gathering intelligence on Russia are unbelievable. We were heavily involved with shipping military supplies to Russia as they were an ally and after the Siege of Leningrad in 1943 we damn well knew that Germany was at a large disadvantage with the Ruskies to the east. We also knew that their scientists were being gathered AND MOST IMPORTANTLY the Soviets had operations in place to kidnap as many as possible as early as late 1941. Included in this large scale OSS intelligence operation was the cultivation of Soviet government spies working for us. Operation Paperclip paid a pant load of $$ to Soviet military officers and other Soviet intelligence operatives for double espionage operations to ensure the bulk of German scientists came our way. These initial intelligence operations carried on with many of the same operatives and operational cells until the 1990s with the JIOA.
CIOS continued other efforts concerned about middle eastern countries bidding for the services of German scientists with nuclear smarts created more intelligence operations in that arena. Stay behind operations, HUMINT and Covert Action, was formed in 1945 and was the further continuation of Soviet Bloc, now the Warsaw Pact, infiltration with agents for intelligence behind the Soviet lines.
In 1948 the OPC was formed Frank. Thiswas not CIA controlled. Hell, they did not trust anyone as they were labeled "intragency". These boys ran behind the lines counter intelligence behind the Iron Curtain. During the time that your boy McCarthy was blabbing his mouth the CIA merged the OPC and OSO labeled as The Directorate of Plans. This combined intelligence from the various behind the Iron Curtain intelligence networks we had including networks that were in Washington. You do know that at all times we had intelligence in Washington with Soviet spies in and out of government giving detailed information on the Soviet government and the passing of information both ways.
Frank, are you denying that Joe McCarthy seriously damaged these operations and that the military knew that and that is why McCarthy also accused them of having communists?
What you lack is a thorough background of the facts.
NO intelligence operation ever wants an investigation of what is going on ON NATIONAL TV.

First, I never claimed "...that the United States had no intelligence operations in eastern Europe during WWII involving gathering intelligence on Russia are unbelievable." You're just making shit up.

Second, the whole problem was that the Soviet spies at State twisted US policy to support Mao instead of Shek, Tito in Yugoslavia and gave Eastern Europe to the Rooskies after WWII, so whatever "Operations" we had, we were getting our lunch taken from us on a daily basis by the people McCarthy wanted to investigate. By the time McCarthy went on record in 1950, over a billion people were subject to Communists thanks to their operation at US State and as a topper...

IN JUST A FEW MONTHS THE CHICOMS WOULD GIVE THE GO AHEAD TO START THE KOREAN WAR!

Whatever good our Intel was doing was DWARFED by what the Commies were doing to FDR and Truman via US State.

All Joe McCarthy was asking in Feb 1950 was why we had Card Carrying Communists at US State. The Democrats that ran Congress then did everything they could to protect the Commies at State and destroy McCarthy.

That's McCarthyism.

Get educated

Says the ignorant dweeb. Links to credible evidence, Frank: I know, you don't have them.

 

[Gadawg73]

I don't give a fuck about your friends or whatever "Street creds" you're holding out, the fact remains you don't have a single fucking fact correct about what actually happened with McCarthy.

The only part you got right was his name was Joe McCarthy, everything else you've been a patsy of a 65-year long Progressive disinformation campaign.

You still have no idea what McCarthy said or what he hoped to accomplish or why he made his Wheeling Speech or went before the Senate. Your ignorance is disgraceful.

Since Progressives lost their media monopoly, the facts have come out that the people McCarthy wanted the Senate to investigate have been confirmed as genuine Communist Spies by Moscow. You have no response and no answer to that other than parroting the crap and nonsense you were spoon-fed your entire life.

Once again: a patriot at State handed McCarthy a list of Genuine Card Carrying Communist at State and McCarthy made a speech that he had a list but would not mention any names!

Your ignorance is painful.

American intelligence operations dating back to the early 1940s Frank that relied on communist spies that were gathering intelligence about the Osenberg List were still in operation into the 70s until the fall of the Berlin Wall. Your claims that the United States had no intelligence operations in eastern Europe during WWII involving gathering intelligence on Russia are unbelievable. We were heavily involved with shipping military supplies to Russia as they were an ally and after the Siege of Leningrad in 1943 we damn well knew that Germany was at a large disadvantage with the Ruskies to the east. We also knew that their scientists were being gathered AND MOST IMPORTANTLY the Soviets had operations in place to kidnap as many as possible as early as late 1941. Included in this large scale OSS intelligence operation was the cultivation of Soviet government spies working for us. Operation Paperclip paid a pant load of $$ to Soviet military officers and other Soviet intelligence operatives for double espionage operations to ensure the bulk of German scientists came our way. These initial intelligence operations carried on with many of the same operatives and operational cells until the 1990s with the JIOA.
CIOS continued other efforts concerned about middle eastern countries bidding for the services of German scientists with nuclear smarts created more intelligence operations in that arena. Stay behind operations, HUMINT and Covert Action, was formed in 1945 and was the further continuation of Soviet Bloc, now the Warsaw Pact, infiltration with agents for intelligence behind the Soviet lines.
In 1948 the OPC was formed Frank. Thiswas not CIA controlled. Hell, they did not trust anyone as they were labeled "intragency". These boys ran behind the lines counter intelligence behind the Iron Curtain. During the time that your boy McCarthy was blabbing his mouth the CIA merged the OPC and OSO labeled as The Directorate of Plans. This combined intelligence from the various behind the Iron Curtain intelligence networks we had including networks that were in Washington. You do know that at all times we had intelligence in Washington with Soviet spies in and out of government giving detailed information on the Soviet government and the passing of information both ways.
Frank, are you denying that Joe McCarthy seriously damaged these operations and that the military knew that and that is why McCarthy also accused them of having communists?
What you lack is a thorough background of the facts.
NO intelligence operation ever wants an investigation of what is going on ON NATIONAL TV.

First, I never claimed "...that the United States had no intelligence operations in eastern Europe during WWII involving gathering intelligence on Russia are unbelievable." You're just making shit up.

Second, the whole problem was that the Soviet spies at State twisted US policy to support Mao instead of Shek, Tito in Yugoslavia and gave Eastern Europe to the Rooskies after WWII, so whatever "Operations" we had, we were getting our lunch taken from us on a daily basis by the people McCarthy wanted to investigate. By the time McCarthy went on record in 1950, over a billion people were subject to Communists thanks to their operation at US State and as a topper...

IN JUST A FEW MONTHS THE CHICOMS WOULD GIVE THE GO AHEAD TO START THE KOREAN WAR!

Whatever good our Intel was doing was DWARFED by what the Commies were doing to FDR and Truman via US State.

All Joe McCarthy was asking in Feb 1950 was why we had Card Carrying Communists at US State. The Democrats that ran Congress then did everything they could to protect the Commies at State and destroy McCarthy.

That's McCarthyism.

Get educated

At US State Frank? That was all he was doing?
He accused those in the defense industries, Voice of America, Army, Government Printing Office, US Information Libraries and others Frank.
And who was David Schine Frank and what qualifications did he have to question witnesses? And if McCarthy had such good info then how come the majority of witnesses were questioned behind closed doors with him as the only Senator present? Very disturbing you do not know that Frank. And how come Roy Cohn was the only one questioning witnesses in those sessions? Interrogation is the better word. How come no one was ever imprisoned for anything related to their testimony and how come every single case made was either thrown out of court overturned on appeal.
And Frank old boy, tell us this: How come the Supreme court strenghtened the rights of witnesses appearing before Congressional committes after this witch hunt? The Court stated "to prevent a continuation of the abuses evident during Senator McCarthy's tenure".
The bell has rung Frank. History class is over for now.

Give it up Frank. I agree with you on a lot of other things and believe you are a decent Joe.
I schooled you on this one as I know what happened. You relied on a bimbo right wing anorexic blonde selling books. She is pimping her book Frank and sold a lie.

 

[whitehall]

Hollywood "blacklisted" writers and the left has been blaming a republican senator for half a century. Democrats created HUAC (the House Unamerican Activities Committee) and rightfully ivestigated Communist infiltration into American democracy and funded anti-communist law enforcement programs. The senate had no power to blacklist Americans. The McCarthy myth is a creation of the radical left.

 

[Gadawg73]

Hollywood "blacklisted" writers and the left has been blaming a republican senator for half a century. Democrats created HUAC (the House Unamerican Activities Committee) and rightfully ivestigated Communist infiltration into American democracy and funded anti-communist law enforcement programs. The senate had no power to blacklist Americans. The McCarthy myth is a creation of the radical left.

The Republican party, the military and the intelligence community are the radical left.

 

[JakeStarkey]

whitehall you are a dupe and running lacky of the far right disinformation program.

So let's get you right before you get left.

No one said that the Dems did not create HUAC. No one said that communist infiltration of the government should not be investigated. No one said that the Senate created blacklists. Any suggestion by any American, right or center or left, that such occurred is the result of mental feebleness, outright ignorance, and or malignant motivation.

McCarthy smeared dishonestly his enemies: tis true.

McCarthy created an atmosphere so that blacklists were created in private sectors: tis true.

McCarthy was pulled down by outraged righteous members of the GOP: tis true.

McCarthy was an alcoholic: tis true.

whitehalls because of mental feebleness, outright ignorance, and or malignant motivation: so true.

 

[Gadawg73]

whitehall you are a dupe and running lacky of the far right disinformation program.

So let's get you right before you get left.

No one said that the Dems did not create HUAC. No one said that communist infiltration of the government should not be investigated. No one said that the Senate created blacklists. Any suggestion by any American, right or center or left, that such occurred is the result of mental feebleness, outright ignorance, and or malignant motivation.

McCarthy smeared dishonestly his enemies: tis true.

McCarthy created an atmosphere so that blacklists were created in private sectors: tis true.

McCarthy was pulled down by outraged righteous members of the GOP: tis true.

McCarthy was an alcoholic: tis true.

whitehalls because of mental feebleness, outright ignorance, and or malignant motivation: so true.

Jake, none of these Coulterians can answer:
Why was G. David Schine a "consultant" and asking most of witnesses questions behind closed doors?
They probably didn't even know this guy before I named him. He wasn't in bimbo's book.

 

[American Horse]

Jake, none of these Coulterians can answer:
Why was G. David Schine a "consultant" and asking most of witnesses questions behind closed doors?
They probably didn't even know this guy before I named him. He wasn't in bimbo's book.

Gadawg, a search of this thread shows that Frank never one time mentioned the name Coulter; her name used in the context of this thread has mostly been mentioned by you.

Schine was a staffer on the committee. Any attention to C-span vis-a-vis committee hearings (and I personally have watched plenty of them) will show staffers asking questions when careful attention to legal details are demanded. Legal staffers ask questions as stand-ins for senators, usually when they have drafted the questions and know more fully how answers lead from the substance of the questions.

Whenever the answers to questions might or will be damaging to national security, and even to personal reputations the questioning goes behind closed doors, in what is called "executive session." We saw plenty of this in hearings of Clinton/Whitewater, Cliinton/Impeachment hearings, and others over the years.

The source material that Frank made the subject of the OP was Evans" Blacklisted, not Coulter's book. G David Schine was referred to in 24 pages and numerous times in Blacklisted, and the problematic nature of his involvement was covered therein.
You deflect.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Want to wager 10K Frank? One of my old partners in the early 80s was a former FBI agent from that era.
You read books, I am in the intelligence business for 32 years Frank. I own a fully top tier licensed detective agency for 32 years.
NO intelligence organization wants information spread around in Washington in front of cameras.
That is just common sense Frank. Do we do that now? Have hearings about the intelligence we conduct on TV?
Only a naive gullible book buying ideologue believes that.
That would be you. Here's your sign.

I don't give a fuck about your friends or whatever "Street creds" you're holding out, the fact remains you don't have a single fucking fact correct about what actually happened with McCarthy.

The only part you got right was his name was Joe McCarthy, everything else you've been a patsy of a 65-year long Progressive disinformation campaign.

You still have no idea what McCarthy said or what he hoped to accomplish or why he made his Wheeling Speech or went before the Senate. Your ignorance is disgraceful.

Since Progressives lost their media monopoly, the facts have come out that the people McCarthy wanted the Senate to investigate have been confirmed as genuine Communist Spies by Moscow. You have no response and no answer to that other than parroting the crap and nonsense you were spoon-fed your entire life.

Once again: a patriot at State handed McCarthy a list of Genuine Card Carrying Communist at State and McCarthy made a speech that he had a list but would not mention any names!

Your ignorance is painful.

Frank, you are disinformation program is disgraceful. McCarthy "revealed" what everybody knew, he screwed innocent people, and was a drunk. This is not American heroism, by anyone's stretch of imagination.

You don't like the truth? No one cares, Frank.

Again, to recap, and not for the last time.

Joe McCarthy, American Patriot and Hero, called the penetration of US State and government by Communists "a conspiracy of infamy so black that, when it is finally exposed, its principals shall be forever deserving of the maledictions of all honest men."

In his own words, since validated by the Russians themselves.

Joe McCarthy's Senate speech of June 14, 1951:

"How can we account for our present situation unless we believe that men high in this Government are concerting to deliver us to disaster? This must be the product of a great conspiracy, a conspiracy on a scale so immense as to dwarf any previous such venture in the history of man. A conspiracy of infamy so black that, when it is finally exposed, its principals shall be forever deserving of the maledictions of all honest men.

Who constitutes the highest circles of this conspiracy? About that we cannot be sure. We are convinced that Dean Acheson, who steadfastly serves the interests of nations other than his own, the friend of Alger Hiss, who supported him in his hour of retribution, who contributed to his defense fund, must be high on the roster. The President? He is their captive. I have wondered, as have you, why he did not dispense with so great a liability as Acheson to his own and his party's interests. It is now clear to me. In the relationship of master and man, did you ever hear of man firing master? Truman is a satisfactory front. He is only dimly aware of what is going on..."

Mao got China, Stalin got Eastern Europe, and thanks to Useful idiots FDR and Truman, McCarthy got ruined for telling the truth about all of it.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

American intelligence operations dating back to the early 1940s Frank that relied on communist spies that were gathering intelligence about the Osenberg List were still in operation into the 70s until the fall of the Berlin Wall. Your claims that the United States had no intelligence operations in eastern Europe during WWII involving gathering intelligence on Russia are unbelievable. We were heavily involved with shipping military supplies to Russia as they were an ally and after the Siege of Leningrad in 1943 we damn well knew that Germany was at a large disadvantage with the Ruskies to the east. We also knew that their scientists were being gathered AND MOST IMPORTANTLY the Soviets had operations in place to kidnap as many as possible as early as late 1941. Included in this large scale OSS intelligence operation was the cultivation of Soviet government spies working for us. Operation Paperclip paid a pant load of $$ to Soviet military officers and other Soviet intelligence operatives for double espionage operations to ensure the bulk of German scientists came our way. These initial intelligence operations carried on with many of the same operatives and operational cells until the 1990s with the JIOA.
CIOS continued other efforts concerned about middle eastern countries bidding for the services of German scientists with nuclear smarts created more intelligence operations in that arena. Stay behind operations, HUMINT and Covert Action, was formed in 1945 and was the further continuation of Soviet Bloc, now the Warsaw Pact, infiltration with agents for intelligence behind the Soviet lines.
In 1948 the OPC was formed Frank. Thiswas not CIA controlled. Hell, they did not trust anyone as they were labeled "intragency". These boys ran behind the lines counter intelligence behind the Iron Curtain. During the time that your boy McCarthy was blabbing his mouth the CIA merged the OPC and OSO labeled as The Directorate of Plans. This combined intelligence from the various behind the Iron Curtain intelligence networks we had including networks that were in Washington. You do know that at all times we had intelligence in Washington with Soviet spies in and out of government giving detailed information on the Soviet government and the passing of information both ways.
Frank, are you denying that Joe McCarthy seriously damaged these operations and that the military knew that and that is why McCarthy also accused them of having communists?
What you lack is a thorough background of the facts.
NO intelligence operation ever wants an investigation of what is going on ON NATIONAL TV.

First, I never claimed "...that the United States had no intelligence operations in eastern Europe during WWII involving gathering intelligence on Russia are unbelievable." You're just making shit up.

Second, the whole problem was that the Soviet spies at State twisted US policy to support Mao instead of Shek, Tito in Yugoslavia and gave Eastern Europe to the Rooskies after WWII, so whatever "Operations" we had, we were getting our lunch taken from us on a daily basis by the people McCarthy wanted to investigate. By the time McCarthy went on record in 1950, over a billion people were subject to Communists thanks to their operation at US State and as a topper...

IN JUST A FEW MONTHS THE CHICOMS WOULD GIVE THE GO AHEAD TO START THE KOREAN WAR!

Whatever good our Intel was doing was DWARFED by what the Commies were doing to FDR and Truman via US State.

All Joe McCarthy was asking in Feb 1950 was why we had Card Carrying Communists at US State. The Democrats that ran Congress then did everything they could to protect the Commies at State and destroy McCarthy.

That's McCarthyism.

Get educated

Says the ignorant dweeb. Links to credible evidence, Frank: I know, you don't have them.

I'm still waiting for you to post the contrary footnote to the book you did not read

 

[CrusaderFrank]

American intelligence operations dating back to the early 1940s Frank that relied on communist spies that were gathering intelligence about the Osenberg List were still in operation into the 70s until the fall of the Berlin Wall. Your claims that the United States had no intelligence operations in eastern Europe during WWII involving gathering intelligence on Russia are unbelievable. We were heavily involved with shipping military supplies to Russia as they were an ally and after the Siege of Leningrad in 1943 we damn well knew that Germany was at a large disadvantage with the Ruskies to the east. We also knew that their scientists were being gathered AND MOST IMPORTANTLY the Soviets had operations in place to kidnap as many as possible as early as late 1941. Included in this large scale OSS intelligence operation was the cultivation of Soviet government spies working for us. Operation Paperclip paid a pant load of $$ to Soviet military officers and other Soviet intelligence operatives for double espionage operations to ensure the bulk of German scientists came our way. These initial intelligence operations carried on with many of the same operatives and operational cells until the 1990s with the JIOA.
CIOS continued other efforts concerned about middle eastern countries bidding for the services of German scientists with nuclear smarts created more intelligence operations in that arena. Stay behind operations, HUMINT and Covert Action, was formed in 1945 and was the further continuation of Soviet Bloc, now the Warsaw Pact, infiltration with agents for intelligence behind the Soviet lines.
In 1948 the OPC was formed Frank. Thiswas not CIA controlled. Hell, they did not trust anyone as they were labeled "intragency". These boys ran behind the lines counter intelligence behind the Iron Curtain. During the time that your boy McCarthy was blabbing his mouth the CIA merged the OPC and OSO labeled as The Directorate of Plans. This combined intelligence from the various behind the Iron Curtain intelligence networks we had including networks that were in Washington. You do know that at all times we had intelligence in Washington with Soviet spies in and out of government giving detailed information on the Soviet government and the passing of information both ways.
Frank, are you denying that Joe McCarthy seriously damaged these operations and that the military knew that and that is why McCarthy also accused them of having communists?
What you lack is a thorough background of the facts.
NO intelligence operation ever wants an investigation of what is going on ON NATIONAL TV.

First, I never claimed "...that the United States had no intelligence operations in eastern Europe during WWII involving gathering intelligence on Russia are unbelievable." You're just making shit up.

Second, the whole problem was that the Soviet spies at State twisted US policy to support Mao instead of Shek, Tito in Yugoslavia and gave Eastern Europe to the Rooskies after WWII, so whatever "Operations" we had, we were getting our lunch taken from us on a daily basis by the people McCarthy wanted to investigate. By the time McCarthy went on record in 1950, over a billion people were subject to Communists thanks to their operation at US State and as a topper...

IN JUST A FEW MONTHS THE CHICOMS WOULD GIVE THE GO AHEAD TO START THE KOREAN WAR!

Whatever good our Intel was doing was DWARFED by what the Commies were doing to FDR and Truman via US State.

All Joe McCarthy was asking in Feb 1950 was why we had Card Carrying Communists at US State. The Democrats that ran Congress then did everything they could to protect the Commies at State and destroy McCarthy.

That's McCarthyism.

Get educated

At US State Frank? That was all he was doing?
He accused those in the defense industries, Voice of America, Army, Government Printing Office, US Information Libraries and others Frank.
And who was David Schine Frank and what qualifications did he have to question witnesses? And if McCarthy had such good info then how come the majority of witnesses were questioned behind closed doors with him as the only Senator present? Very disturbing you do not know that Frank. And how come Roy Cohn was the only one questioning witnesses in those sessions? Interrogation is the better word. How come no one was ever imprisoned for anything related to their testimony and how come every single case made was either thrown out of court overturned on appeal.
And Frank old boy, tell us this: How come the Supreme court strenghtened the rights of witnesses appearing before Congressional committes after this witch hunt? The Court stated "to prevent a continuation of the abuses evident during Senator McCarthy's tenure".
The bell has rung Frank. History class is over for now.

Give it up Frank. I agree with you on a lot of other things and believe you are a decent Joe.
I schooled you on this one as I know what happened. You relied on a bimbo right wing anorexic blonde selling books. She is pimping her book Frank and sold a lie.

You schooled me? You're totally deluded.

You have not updated your "McCarthy" file in 65 years. If you paid any attention at all to events since the mid 90's you'd know that the people McCarthy expressed an interest in, people who handed China to Mao and Eastern Europe to Stalin were on Moscow payroll.

Get a clue.

Here's the deal, McCarthy tried to warn us that high ranking officials were not working for the best interests of the USA, they were loyal to Communism and thwarted US police toward the Communists. Then Communists at State and their allies in the media and Senate struck back at McCarthy for outing them. That's McCarthyism!

You should know I give the Communists full credit for running an effective Intel operation that twist US policy and three US Presidents in the process. That's fucking awesome on their part! I'd love to know how they did that!

You schooled me? LOL

 

[CrusaderFrank]

American intelligence operations dating back to the early 1940s Frank that relied on communist spies that were gathering intelligence about the Osenberg List were still in operation into the 70s until the fall of the Berlin Wall. Your claims that the United States had no intelligence operations in eastern Europe during WWII involving gathering intelligence on Russia are unbelievable. We were heavily involved with shipping military supplies to Russia as they were an ally and after the Siege of Leningrad in 1943 we damn well knew that Germany was at a large disadvantage with the Ruskies to the east. We also knew that their scientists were being gathered AND MOST IMPORTANTLY the Soviets had operations in place to kidnap as many as possible as early as late 1941. Included in this large scale OSS intelligence operation was the cultivation of Soviet government spies working for us. Operation Paperclip paid a pant load of $$ to Soviet military officers and other Soviet intelligence operatives for double espionage operations to ensure the bulk of German scientists came our way. These initial intelligence operations carried on with many of the same operatives and operational cells until the 1990s with the JIOA.
CIOS continued other efforts concerned about middle eastern countries bidding for the services of German scientists with nuclear smarts created more intelligence operations in that arena. Stay behind operations, HUMINT and Covert Action, was formed in 1945 and was the further continuation of Soviet Bloc, now the Warsaw Pact, infiltration with agents for intelligence behind the Soviet lines.
In 1948 the OPC was formed Frank. Thiswas not CIA controlled. Hell, they did not trust anyone as they were labeled "intragency". These boys ran behind the lines counter intelligence behind the Iron Curtain. During the time that your boy McCarthy was blabbing his mouth the CIA merged the OPC and OSO labeled as The Directorate of Plans. This combined intelligence from the various behind the Iron Curtain intelligence networks we had including networks that were in Washington. You do know that at all times we had intelligence in Washington with Soviet spies in and out of government giving detailed information on the Soviet government and the passing of information both ways.
Frank, are you denying that Joe McCarthy seriously damaged these operations and that the military knew that and that is why McCarthy also accused them of having communists?
What you lack is a thorough background of the facts.
NO intelligence operation ever wants an investigation of what is going on ON NATIONAL TV.

First, I never claimed "...that the United States had no intelligence operations in eastern Europe during WWII involving gathering intelligence on Russia are unbelievable." You're just making shit up.

Second, the whole problem was that the Soviet spies at State twisted US policy to support Mao instead of Shek, Tito in Yugoslavia and gave Eastern Europe to the Rooskies after WWII, so whatever "Operations" we had, we were getting our lunch taken from us on a daily basis by the people McCarthy wanted to investigate. By the time McCarthy went on record in 1950, over a billion people were subject to Communists thanks to their operation at US State and as a topper...

IN JUST A FEW MONTHS THE CHICOMS WOULD GIVE THE GO AHEAD TO START THE KOREAN WAR!

Whatever good our Intel was doing was DWARFED by what the Commies were doing to FDR and Truman via US State.

All Joe McCarthy was asking in Feb 1950 was why we had Card Carrying Communists at US State. The Democrats that ran Congress then did everything they could to protect the Commies at State and destroy McCarthy.

That's McCarthyism.

Get educated

At US State Frank? That was all he was doing?
He accused those in the defense industries, Voice of America, Army, Government Printing Office, US Information Libraries and others Frank.
And who was David Schine Frank and what qualifications did he have to question witnesses? And if McCarthy had such good info then how come the majority of witnesses were questioned behind closed doors with him as the only Senator present? Very disturbing you do not know that Frank. And how come Roy Cohn was the only one questioning witnesses in those sessions? Interrogation is the better word. How come no one was ever imprisoned for anything related to their testimony and how come every single case made was either thrown out of court overturned on appeal.
And Frank old boy, tell us this: How come the Supreme court strenghtened the rights of witnesses appearing before Congressional committes after this witch hunt? The Court stated "to prevent a continuation of the abuses evident during Senator McCarthy's tenure".
The bell has rung Frank. History class is over for now.

Give it up Frank. I agree with you on a lot of other things and believe you are a decent Joe.
I schooled you on this one as I know what happened. You relied on a bimbo right wing anorexic blonde selling books. She is pimping her book Frank and sold a lie.

OK, one more thing Dick Tracy, here's the "bimbo right wing anorexic blonde selling books"

"Blacklisted" was written by M. Stanton Evans who went through tens of thousand of pages from the FBI and the Russians while you, even still months after I started this thread, can't be troubled to even Google the book must less crack it open. His researcher even showed up a few months back to spank the daylights out of you and Jake and you STILL have not looked at the book!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Hollywood "blacklisted" writers and the left has been blaming a republican senator for half a century. Democrats created HUAC (the House Unamerican Activities Committee) and rightfully ivestigated Communist infiltration into American democracy and funded anti-communist law enforcement programs. The senate had no power to blacklist Americans. The McCarthy myth is a creation of the radical left.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to whitehall again

And you have to love how the Useful Idiots on the Left continue to parrot the Party line even over a decade after the Soviets themselves admit McCarthy was correct

 

[CrusaderFrank]

whitehall you are a dupe and running lacky of the far right disinformation program.

So let's get you right before you get left.

No one said that the Dems did not create HUAC. No one said that communist infiltration of the government should not be investigated. No one said that the Senate created blacklists. Any suggestion by any American, right or center or left, that such occurred is the result of mental feebleness, outright ignorance, and or malignant motivation.

McCarthy smeared dishonestly his enemies: tis true.

McCarthy created an atmosphere so that blacklists were created in private sectors: tis true.

McCarthy was pulled down by outraged righteous members of the GOP: tis true.

McCarthy was an alcoholic: tis true.

whitehalls because of mental feebleness, outright ignorance, and or malignant motivation: so true.

Jake, none of these Coulterians can answer:
Why was G. David Schine a "consultant" and asking most of witnesses questions behind closed doors?
They probably didn't even know this guy before I named him. He wasn't in bimbo's book.

First, M. Stanton Evans wrote "Blacklisted" and is not a "bimbo"

Here's another picture of him. Maybe you can tell us what makes you think he's a bimbo?

School me, school us all on this.

Second, David Schein is covered in "Blacklisted" the book by the bimbo

 

[CrusaderFrank]

whitehall you are a dupe and running lacky of the far right disinformation program.

So let's get you right before you get left.

No one said that the Dems did not create HUAC. No one said that communist infiltration of the government should not be investigated. No one said that the Senate created blacklists. Any suggestion by any American, right or center or left, that such occurred is the result of mental feebleness, outright ignorance, and or malignant motivation.

McCarthy smeared dishonestly his enemies: tis true.

McCarthy created an atmosphere so that blacklists were created in private sectors: tis true.

McCarthy was pulled down by outraged righteous members of the GOP: tis true.

McCarthy was an alcoholic: tis true.

whitehalls because of mental feebleness, outright ignorance, and or malignant motivation: so true.

Jake has yet to post his contrary footnote to the book he did not read: tis true