Meriweather
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As a whole, Deists deny Christ's divinity and don't believe in God's intervention.That might take you all the way on finding common ground with Deists?
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As a whole, Deists deny Christ's divinity and don't believe in God's intervention.That might take you all the way on finding common ground with Deists?
I'm not an authority on Deism so I looked it up.As a whole, Deists deny Christ's divinity and don't believe in God's intervention.
I believe God does interact with us.Does any of that match with your beliefs?
This is closer to Spinoza's and Einstein's beliefs who, based on observance, logic and reason, allowed for a theory of intelligent design that has guided the entire process of the creation of the Universe and all that is in it. Neither believed in a personal divine being who interacted with humankind or intervened in other choices/processes.I'm not an authority on Deism so I looked it up.
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de·ism
[ˈdēˌizəm, ˈdāˌizəm]
noun
- belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe. The term is used chiefly of an intellectual movement of the 17th and 18th centuries that accepted the existence of a creator on the basis of reason but rejected belief in a supernatural deity who interacts with humankind. Compare with theism
- Does any of that match with your beliefs?
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I heard your words being in agreement with:I believe God does interact with us.
belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe.
Yes/No?
I'm much more interested in your beliefs and my beliefs as an atheist being agreed to in part. Especially your comment on gradual creation being common with gradual evolution.
I know you're mentioned that before but the discussion never did facilitate a discussion by me. Now it does!
And of course, your rejecting the bit about 'creation in the blink of his eye.
I'm learning that there aren't just a few different Christian belief systems, there are dozens and perhaps hundreds. Atheism is just one of them now.
I don't accept others who do no more than just say they are Christians and nothing more, as being Christians. Therefore we may never be able to agree on how many Americans are Christians.
I was baptized. Do you include me as being a Christian atheist?
I.D. has been proven to be wrong and it's discredited and disallowed by law in America.This is closer to Spinoza's and Einstein's beliefs who, based on observance, logic and reason, allowed for a theory of intelligent design that has guided the entire process of the creation of the Universe and all that is in it. Neither believed in a personal divine being who interacted with humankind or intervened in other choices/processes.
As Meriweather expressed, Christians, Jews and some other faiths do believe in a Divine Being who interacts and communicates with those He created as well as being the author of intelligent design.
How can something that cannot be proven be proven wrong? Faulty reasoning there much? And any law that would disallow any theory or concept to be considered, discussed, acknowledged is really REALLY bad and flawed and even unconstitutional law.I.D. has been proven to be wrong and it's discredited and disallowed by law in America.
That's my starting position.
Going strictly by definitions, I consider a Christian someone who believes in and follows Christ. I consider atheists those who have no belief in God. But as far as my own definition, I consider you a Prodigal Son, which means when we see each other in heaven, I'll get to see God running up to you, giving you a hug, a feast, and putting a ring on you. (I'll be there clapping.)I was baptized. Do you include me as being a Christian atheist?
So we agree that the purpose of each book is theology, not history.The gospel of Mark was written such that the reader was told at the beginning about the divinity of Christ but the Apostles are unaware of his divinity. Mark was written specifically around asking and answering the question of who is Jesus. So figure out the purpose of each book and you'll be able to answer those questions yourself.
He is exactly who he claims to be, however, he is not who others claim he is.It's idiotic for you to believe you know a religion that is not your own better than me. The only point I care to discuss with you is your explanation for the 40 miracle performed by Jesus. He's either exactly who he claimed he is or he isn't. He didn't leave you any other choice. So you can argue that he existed and others fabricated a preposterous narrative that was centered on him performing a shit load of miracles which included healing the sick, defeating death and controlling nature, or that he really did those things.
So which is it? Because each option would need to be tested in different ways.
You did not answer my question. I asked who was responsible for the conspiracy and fraud surrounding Santa Claus. I await your answer.And I answered it. I didn't avoid it. That's what you have been doing for over a page now.
And whatever courts ruled that it was illegal were in error. I think those capable of critical thinking, logic and reason do not look to the courts for what is right and wrong.
Like you do?nothing like writing your own bible ...
As a whole, Deists deny Christ's divinity and don't believe in God's intervention.
If all the sources agree, that would be a case of multiple attestation.What would it prove if it were? What would it prove if it weren't?
Would it result in some other scenario than he performed those miracles or he didn't? Because if he did then he's who he said he was. And if he didn't then you need to explain how such a crazy narrative was an accident or intentional.
Like you do?
I'm glad about that.Going strictly by definitions, I consider a Christian someone who believes in and follows Christ.
That's kind of you to say.I consider atheists those who have no belief in God. But as far as my own definition, I consider you a Prodigal Son, which means when we see each other in heaven,
Am I to interpret that as you thinking that I'm a decent person?I'll get to see God running up to you, giving you a hug, a feast, and putting a ring on you. (I'll be there clapping.)![]()
See the results of the Dover school board vs. Kitzmiller trial on ID being taught in the schools.How can something that cannot be proven be proven wrong? Faulty reasoning there much? And any law that would disallow any theory or concept to be considered, discussed, acknowledged is really REALLY bad and flawed and even unconstitutional law.