Zone1 Separation of Church and State?

[BreezeWood]

Is that your self portrait?

that's where you live ...

the bible belt kkk - maga on steroids.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

i. What Constitutional Rights Apply to an Unborn Fetus: Judicial Interpretation as opposed to Legal/JudicialPhilosophy 230111 {post•2}. johngaltshrugged Aug’24 Secrat: Every innocent human being, born or unborn, have God given natural rights that are superior to any other rights, including the Constitution. jhngltshrggd 240817 Swcrat00002

ii. Separation of Church and State? 240817 {post•543}

NotfooledbyW said: Is that communication from God through your Church Saint_Johngaltshrugged or did you talk directly to God about the obligation all women owe to you when they get pregnant without planning to give birth to a child.

If so, why do you oppose the separation of church and state?

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[BreezeWood]

Is that a pic from your family reunion?

its your desert religion ...

christianity in particular same as the other two.

 

[BreezeWood]

oh, and another one for texas ...



isn't musk moving to texas - its like a magnet for christians, trump will be next - when they throw him out of florida.

 

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its your desert religion ...

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christianity in particular same as the other two.

Which one is you?

 

[BreezeWood]

Which one is you?

they are all texas christians -

try to keep up ...

- is musk your idle maybe he will let you live with him.

 

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they are all texas christians -

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try to keep up ...

- is musk your idle maybe he will let you live with him.

I see you now.

“Within the philosophical system of Marx and Lenin, and at the heart of their psychology, hatred of God is the principal driving force, more fundamental than all their political and economic pretensions. Militant atheism is not merely incidental or marginal to Communist policy; it is not a side effect, but the central pivot. To achieve its diabolical ends, Communism needs to control a population devoid of religious and national feeling, and this entails the destruction of faith and nationhood. Communists proclaim both of these objectives openly, and just as openly go about carrying them out.”​

Alexsandr Solzhenitsyn1

 

[BreezeWood]

I see you now.

“Within the philosophical system of Marx and Lenin, and at the heart of their psychology, hatred of God is the principal driving force, more fundamental than all their political and economic pretensions. Militant atheism is not merely incidental or marginal to Communist policy; it is not a side effect, but the central pivot. To achieve its diabolical ends, Communism needs to control a population devoid of religious and national feeling, and this entails the destruction of faith and nationhood. Communists proclaim both of these objectives openly, and just as openly go about carrying them out.”​

Alexsandr Solzhenitsyn1

really ...

hopefully it's not to late to find help for your compulsive addictions, christianity and neo fascism ...

 

[Picaro]

could you show us where in the constitution it says that??

The 1sr Amendment of course doesn't prevent any state from establishing a favored Christian sect, just the Federal govt. Massachusetts kept theirs until 1834, some forty years after ratification of the Constitution. Jefferson was still sniveling over Virginia's religious restrictions on schools and universities in the 1820's or so.

 

[Picaro]

The few theocracies that existed at the colony/state level all dissolved themselves by the end of the 18th Century

This part is incorrect. Connecticut and Massachusetts didn't dis-establish theirs until well into the 19th century, and not due to any Federal law or Supreme Court ruling.

New book traces religious disestablishment in American states from 1776 to 1883

The new book, Disestablishment and Religious Dissent: Church-State Relations in the New American States, 1776-1833, outlines what drove disestablishment of religion in the original 13 states and other early states and territories, challenging conventional wisdom about the causes, writes...

firstamendment.mtsu.edu

Although Massachusetts was the last of the original 13 states officially to disestablish its churches in 1833, the essays in this book reveal that even after states ended such establishments, they often continued to require test oaths and otherwise aided Protestant religion.

This is a more accurate assessment of the history of disestablishment:
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Editors believe disestablishment reflected religious pluralism of the day, not hostility to religion​

The editors’ fourth finding attributes the support for disestablishment as coming primarily from dissenting Protestants whose stance grew from their interpretations of Scripture and represented the increasing religious pluralism of the day. Far from those who think that the aim of disestablishment was to create a “godless” constitution, the editors believe that such origins “depress claims that disestablishment was forged out of government indifference to religion, or even hostility to it” (p. 12). Dissenters did not anticipate that separation of church and state would require separation of “religion and politics” (p. 12).

Those evil evangelicals like Baptists and Methodists of the First and Second Great Awakenings are the main culprits advocating the establishment clause and later in the states themselves, not the Constitution and the Supreme Court.

 

[Picaro]

People/citizens of faith are not only citizens of a nation, but are also citizens of the Kingdom of God. It is not only our right, but our duty to permeate the social, political, and economic realities within our governments.

True. Sucks for the commies and sexual degenerates, though, but who cares? Not me.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

The Constitution prohibits the hierarchy of Churches/Religions from being involved in State/Federal government. Popes, bishops, priests, ministers are set apart from government. However, this separation does not apply to the laity. The Catechism of the Catholic Church states the vocation of the laity:

898 "By reason of their special vocation it belongs to the laity to seek the kingdom of God by engaging in temporal affairs and directing them according to God's will....

899 The initiative of lay Christians is necessary especially when the matter involves discovering or inventing the means for permeating social, political, and economic realities with the demands of Christian doctrine and life. This initiative is a normal element of the life of the Church….

People/citizens of faith are not only citizens of a nation, but are also citizens of the Kingdom of God. It is not only our right, but our duty to permeate the social, political, and economic realities within our governments.

How many times is "god" mentioned in the US Constitution?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

the commies and sexual degenerates

You seem to have an unhealthy obsession with them, mentioning them whenever you see an opportunity to.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The odd thing about this, is that there are atheists who are also pro-life and against abortion.

Nothing odd about it at all – indeed, everyone is pro-life, including those free from religion.

Moreover, it’s perfectly consistent to oppose abortion while also defending a woman’s right to privacy and opposing abortion bans.

In fact, no one is ‘pro-abortion’ – to support reproductive autonomy and oppose government excess and overreach such as abortion bans doesn’t mean one approves of how a woman exercises her right to reproductive autonomy.

Which brings us back to separation of church and state – where government is prohibited from promoting subjective religious doctrine and dogma through force of law, such as the subjective religious dogma that abortion is a ‘sin’ or otherwise opposed by ‘god’ and therefore must be banned via act of government.

 

[Picaro]

You seem to have an unhealthy obsession with them, mentioning them whenever you see an opportunity to.

You don't seem to have anything healthy about you, but we can see why you're getting hysterical over religion. You're another terrified superstitious pagan. They're one and the same in real life; sexual deviants need to hide behind an faddish ideology, being too embarrassed about openly being perverts but needing to kill all the Xians to get them out of the way.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

i. Separation of Church and State? 240817 {post•548}. ding Aug’24 Ssocas quotes Solzhenitsyn: Communism needs to control a population devoid of religious and national feeling, and this entails the destruction of faith and nationhood. Alexsandr Solzhenitsyn. dvng 240817 Ssocas00548

ii. Separation of Church and State? 240818 {post•557}

NotfooledbyW Aug’24 Vsocas: Not sure why Alexsandr Solzhenitsyn has anything to do with separation of church and state in the United States of America.

Whenever Saint_Ding gets stuck anti-communism seems to be comfort food for the mind..

Jefferson was closer to Atheism than Catholicism if you read a Catholic historian’s
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America was founded by revolutionary intellectuals who decided the Christian Church could not be trusted to protect liberty of conscience for the law abiding citizenry of the new experimental nation based on self governance.

Jefferson rejected Biblical revelation and thus he rejected the authority of the one true God. His reason never led him to the purpose of being submissive for grace under the authority of the Catholic Church. Jefferson had no authority as a human with reason to affirm the existence of a God of Nature whose attributes included being a providential, moralistic creator. nfbw 240818 Vsocas00557


The Relevance of Thomas Jefferson
Library : The Relevance of Thomas Jefferson. by Donald J. D'Elia. In this analysis of Thomas Jefferson, Dr. D 'Elia lays the groundwork for a truly Catholic perception of American history in general, in addition to unveiling an accurate portrait of the man. •¥•. LARGER WORK. Faith & Reason PAGES. 7-22. PUBLISHER & DATE. Christendom College Press, Fall 1977

One must be free to do one's own will, Jefferson believed, since there was no will of God, no Church, no Revelation.​

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Everything he [jffrsn] ever wrote on Christianity was vitiated by his puerile understanding of the claims of Revelation and the Incarnation. Deep mysteries like the Trinity, Creation, Original Sin, the Immaculate Conception, the Atonement, the Resurrection, and the Real Presence of Christ he scorned as priestly frauds.​

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History professor receives Pope Pius XI Award​

April 24, 2003. NEW PALTZ — The Society of Catholic Social Sciences has conferred the Pope Pius XI award on Dr. Donald J D’Elia, professor of history at The State University of New York at New Paltz. The award, named after the Roman Pontiff who led the Roman Catholic Church from 1922 – 1939, is given to scholars who have made outstanding contributions to the understanding of Catholic social doctrine.

Dr. D’Elia has taught at SUNY New Paltz for more than three decades. He also has taught at Penn State University, Bloomsburg State University, Marist College and served as an adjunct in the Graduate School of New York University.

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[Picaro]

How many times is "god" mentioned in the US Constitution?

How many times are you mentioned in it as an authority?

 

[Picaro]

Everything he [jffrsn] ever wrote on Christianity was vitiated by his puerile understanding of the claims of Revelation and the Incarnation. Deep mysteries like the Trinity, Creation, Original Sin, the Immaculate Conception, the Atonement, the Resurrection, and the Real Presence of Christ he scorned as priestly frauds.

Mostly he was denouncing Catholicism, not 'Christianity', hence the use of the term 'priests'; the evangelicals had no 'preists', and Jefferson in fact numbered many ministers and pastors among his friends and supporters. It was evangelicals who got him elected VP and then Prez. You shouldn't have dropped out of 5th grade.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Nothing odd about it at all – indeed, everyone is pro-life, including those free from religion.

Moreover, it’s perfectly consistent to oppose abortion while also defending a woman’s right to privacy and opposing abortion bans.

In fact, no one is ‘pro-abortion’ – to support reproductive autonomy and oppose government excess and overreach such as abortion bans doesn’t mean one approves of how a woman exercises her right to reproductive autonomy.

Which brings us back to separation of church and state – where government is prohibited from promoting subjective religious doctrine and dogma through force of law, such as the subjective religious dogma that abortion is a ‘sin’ or otherwise opposed by ‘god’ and therefore must be banned via act of government.

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[Procrustes Stretched]

You don't seem to have anything healthy about you, but we can see why you're getting hysterical over religion. You're another terrified superstitious pagan. They're one and the same in real life; sexual deviants need to hide behind an faddish ideology, being too embarrassed about openly being perverts but needing to kill all the Xians to get them out of the way.

Hysterical? I am so calm it is almost scary. Not sure if it's the high dosage of bp meds. LOL

Emotionally, You don't even register nor do your ridiculously stupid posts.

Like the Lady inside of you, you dost protest too much