Serious questions for Trump supporters regarding this impeachment thing

[Ray From Cleveland]

Trump felt compelled to give people a reason, it was to try and avoid controversy, but not because it was a requirement.

Nobody is claiming it was a requirwment. Nobody. You keep saying that, and you are arguing against absolutely nobody. Put away the straw man.

The fact is, the DOJ was involved. Trump has used and uses it far too often for his personal gain. Go ahead, now complain about that, too....

You just supported my point that the President has the power to fire the director for any reason. Thank you!

There is no personal gain here because Biden is hardly a threat to Trump. There is no way Biden will be the nominee for your party. If Biden did anything illegal in Ukraine, he is not insulated from investigation or possible penalty simply because he's one of the many candidates on the Democrat side.

He did nothing wrong

Trump did

Biden’s innocent.

You can’t fire the guy wrongfully. It’s an impeachable offense

No it isn't. Trump can fire anybody he wants. The President selects the Director, and the President can fire the Director.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Agreed. And at the same time, most of the GOP and THEIR sheep are just automatically denying everything out of hand, as the tribes usually do.

Of course we are denying their made-up charges, because we all have the transcript. We all can read. It's not like Fox is reporting one thing and CNN another.

The words are being interpreted differently by the two ends of the spectrum.

Each end of the spectrum is claiming its interpretation is the right one.

You understand that, right?
.

No, the only people making those interpretations are the Democrats. Republicans are simply using the words he said.

 

[Slade3200]

What do you want to know? It wasn’t Biden’s call. It was what the US and allied countries wanted done because the prosecutor wasn’t doing shit about corruption in that country. I know this has been explained to you. What aren’t you understanding?

What I'm not understanding is why you think Biden had to react on behalf of the world. We don't do that. It's just a Democrat excuse.

What do I want to know? The timeline of this prosecutor being fired and Hunters employment there. I want to know why he was hired in the first place. I want to know what the company got for their money. I want to know what the associations are with CrowdStrike and the 2016 election. I want to know what Ukraine did in working against Trump under the former administration.

You don’t get why Biden reacted? Because he was assigned by Obama to be the point guy on this... that was his job and he did what our country’s administration wanted done. End of story

The issue everyone is missing is that Biden is a democrat, the Aristocracy. 3 years of nonstop investigations into Trump, his children, friends, anyone he has ever met is fine. BUT investigating open and known corruption by Quid Pro Joe is impeachable, because the Aristocracy is not subject to laws that govern those outside the Communist party. It was the same under Stalin, so why would ANYONE think that it would be different when his party, the democrats get power?

There are two laws,

For Party members: Serve the Party
Non-party: You are guilty, all that is needed is for a party member to name you for punishment.

Well this situation seems
To be going right over your head. I’m sorry you don’t understand what’s happening and why. It’s going to be a very frustrating next few weeks for you

We've seen the situation many times, under Hitler, under Stalin, under Pol Pot. What you democrats are doing isn't new in anyway. Despots and thugs like you pop up from time to time, which is why we have a Constitution to stop you, and why you so bitterly hate the Constitution.

Haha, now you’re playing the Hitler card? Remember when the Left did that to Trump? Well this makes you no different than them. Congrats.

 

[Norman]

What I'm not understanding is why you think Biden had to react on behalf of the world. We don't do that. It's just a Democrat excuse.

What do I want to know? The timeline of this prosecutor being fired and Hunters employment there. I want to know why he was hired in the first place. I want to know what the company got for their money. I want to know what the associations are with CrowdStrike and the 2016 election. I want to know what Ukraine did in working against Trump under the former administration.

You don’t get why Biden reacted? Because he was assigned by Obama to be the point guy on this... that was his job and he did what our country’s administration wanted done. End of story

The issue everyone is missing is that Biden is a democrat, the Aristocracy. 3 years of nonstop investigations into Trump, his children, friends, anyone he has ever met is fine. BUT investigating open and known corruption by Quid Pro Joe is impeachable, because the Aristocracy is not subject to laws that govern those outside the Communist party. It was the same under Stalin, so why would ANYONE think that it would be different when his party, the democrats get power?

There are two laws,

For Party members: Serve the Party
Non-party: You are guilty, all that is needed is for a party member to name you for punishment.

Well this situation seems
To be going right over your head. I’m sorry you don’t understand what’s happening and why. It’s going to be a very frustrating next few weeks for you

We've seen the situation many times, under Hitler, under Stalin, under Pol Pot. What you democrats are doing isn't new in anyway. Despots and thugs like you pop up from time to time, which is why we have a Constitution to stop you, and why you so bitterly hate the Constitution.

Haha, now you’re playing the Hitler card? Remember when the Left did that to Trump? Well this makes you no different than them. Congrats.

If Trump was an actual socialist the left would have celebrated him.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

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Just a prediction. You really don’t see an angle for Trump TV being set up?

Not at all. The guy was a billionaire before he even entered the White House. In five more years, he'll be too old to pursue new avenues.

Trump is one of the few, if not the only President, who had to step down into the White House. For all others, the White House was a paramount of their career and the final step up.

Trump did not sacrifice the carefree life he had so eight years down the road (which he may be dead by then) he can start making money off of his presidency like the Clintons or Obama's. Even if he does decide to continue working, it will be in environments he's used to working with.

My guess would be the run for President was a move to launch the media platform and him winning was a surprise. He will be out next year and I give it 6 months before the new network is announced

Ah yes, that crystal ball again.

I can't foresee people voting out a President in this economy. While no history major, to my knowledge, it's never been done before.

If it does happen this time, it will be a downturn of our country. People (in the past) have always voted out representatives for change. Why would voters want change now? The economy being too good? Our border being too strong? Too much money in our pockets? What????

However the only thing that scares me is brainwashing, promoted by the subsidiary of the Democrat party, the MSM.

I think many people are really sick of the lies and shit talk and drama constantly coming out of the White House. I don't think they are giving Trump credit for actually playing a big hand in the economic situation and I think they are wanting some Normalcy and civility restored to our political system. This is all perhaps wishful thinking, but it’s how I see it.

Trump is not creating the chaos in our country today, the Democrats are. I think what people are really sick of are the Democrat antics, hearing the word "racism" as if should be part of our daily discussions, and a party that took over the House and did nothing except try to reverse an election instead of working to make the country better.

 

[Slade3200]

[
Abuse of power, misuse of public office, breaking public trust, soliciting campaign aid from a foreign government

So, you're a Stalinist, hence a fucking liar by nature. Let's see this "soliciting campaign aid from a foreign government"? You evil scum are getting desperate, and as you do, your lies become more absurd.

Oh and there’s the Stalin card... shocking.

If you could read you’d see that I didn’t state an opinion I was providing an explanation so calm down the emotions bucko. I personally don’t support impeachment.

Now to your question. Asking Ukraine and China for an investigation and the subsequent information on Biden is viewed by many as campaign aid as it appears to be political in nature and not acting in the interest of our country.

I do think this is all political. Don’t think Trump gives a damn about corruption in Ukraine and if that was really all it was about then he wouldn’t be going after Joe in China. That China ask pulled the plug on the corruption angle, this is all about going after joe.

 

[Slade3200]

Just a prediction. You really don’t see an angle for Trump TV being set up?

Not at all. The guy was a billionaire before he even entered the White House. In five more years, he'll be too old to pursue new avenues.

Trump is one of the few, if not the only President, who had to step down into the White House. For all others, the White House was a paramount of their career and the final step up.

Trump did not sacrifice the carefree life he had so eight years down the road (which he may be dead by then) he can start making money off of his presidency like the Clintons or Obama's. Even if he does decide to continue working, it will be in environments he's used to working with.

My guess would be the run for President was a move to launch the media platform and him winning was a surprise. He will be out next year and I give it 6 months before the new network is announced

Ah yes, that crystal ball again.

I can't foresee people voting out a President in this economy. While no history major, to my knowledge, it's never been done before.

If it does happen this time, it will be a downturn of our country. People (in the past) have always voted out representatives for change. Why would voters want change now? The economy being too good? Our border being too strong? Too much money in our pockets? What????

However the only thing that scares me is brainwashing, promoted by the subsidiary of the Democrat party, the MSM.

I think many people are really sick of the lies and shit talk and drama constantly coming out of the White House. I don't think they are giving Trump credit for actually playing a big hand in the economic situation and I think they are wanting some Normalcy and civility restored to our political system. This is all perhaps wishful thinking, but it’s how I see it.

Trump is not creating the chaos in our country today, the Democrats are. I think what people are really sick of are the Democrat antics, hearing the word "racism" as if should be part of our daily discussions, and a party that took over the House and did nothing except try to reverse an election instead of working to make the country better.

You’re not objective Ray. You’re dismissing all responsibility from the loudest voice, biggest shit talker, internet troll, bully, and conveyer of misinformation that I’ve seen in my lifetime... but it’s not his fault it’s the dems, really?!. Come on.

It does take two to tango. The dems and the media and TRUMP all play a part. Why can’t you be honest about that?

 

[Norman]

[
Abuse of power, misuse of public office, breaking public trust, soliciting campaign aid from a foreign government

So, you're a Stalinist, hence a fucking liar by nature. Let's see this "soliciting campaign aid from a foreign government"? You evil scum are getting desperate, and as you do, your lies become more absurd.

Oh and there’s the Stalin card... shocking.

If you could read you’d see that I didn’t state an opinion I was providing an explanation so calm down the emotions bucko. I personally don’t support impeachment.

Now to your question. Asking Ukraine and China for an investigation and the subsequent information on Biden is viewed by many as campaign aid as it appears to be political in nature and not acting in the interest of our country.

I do think this is all political. Don’t think Trump gives a damn about corruption in Ukraine and if that was really all it was about then he wouldn’t be going after Joe in China. That China ask pulled the plug on the corruption angle, this is all about going after joe.

He should go after every corrupt democrat, much harder.

He was elected to do just that. Stay out of the way as he fulfills his mandate.

 

[Slade3200]

[
Abuse of power, misuse of public office, breaking public trust, soliciting campaign aid from a foreign government

So, you're a Stalinist, hence a fucking liar by nature. Let's see this "soliciting campaign aid from a foreign government"? You evil scum are getting desperate, and as you do, your lies become more absurd.

Oh and there’s the Stalin card... shocking.

If you could read you’d see that I didn’t state an opinion I was providing an explanation so calm down the emotions bucko. I personally don’t support impeachment.

Now to your question. Asking Ukraine and China for an investigation and the subsequent information on Biden is viewed by many as campaign aid as it appears to be political in nature and not acting in the interest of our country.

I do think this is all political. Don’t think Trump gives a damn about corruption in Ukraine and if that was really all it was about then he wouldn’t be going after Joe in China. That China ask pulled the plug on the corruption angle, this is all about going after joe.

He should go after every corrupt democrat, much harder.

He was elected to do just that. Stay out of the way as he fulfills his mandate.

I’m fine with rooting out corruption as long as it’s done in a legal way. If the enforcers are going to run around being dishonest and breaking rules and politicizing everything then they are no better than those they claim to go after.

 

[charwin95]

The Whistle Blower had no firsthand information.

Inquirygate: Pelosi 'Prorogues' The US House

I don’t think that’s what the Founding Fathers had in mind. At least, unlike Britain, they cared enough to write a Constitution. A lot of good that did...

Just 4 months after the deplorably failed Dirty Bob Mueller probe of alleged Trump links to Russia, Democrats raise the next -faded- red flag, Ukraine.

Nancy Pelosi thinks it’s okay for her to move ahead with an inquiry, that she can even label an Impeachment Inquiry, without following established Capitol Hill procedure.

Pelosi’s plan is to not have a House vote on initiating the inquiry, but to just go ahead and have one, and stealing the name Impeachment Inquiry for it. Why? Because she thinks that way she can have only Democrats ask questions, issue subpoenas etc., while House Republicans could only sit and watch the spectacle (not what they were elected for).

Just because you have a House majority doesn't mean you can simply ignore the minority, or procedure. She wants to turn democracy into a proxy dictatorship.

She is trying to stop Trump from investigating what Joe Biden was up to in the run-up to the 2016 election because her son was involved with the same dirty Ukraine Corporation that Hunter Biden was involved with, as was one of Mitt Romney's associates.

Trump's called her bluff. There is no Impeachment Inquiry, even if Pelosi calls it that. A House Impeachment Inquiry has a procedure, and if she doesn’t follow that, the White House is not bound to comply with information demands.

AG Bill Barr, along with the State Department and DOJ, and whoever else is involved, will release multiple reports from investigations conducted by US Attorney John Durham, DOJ IG Michael Horowitz and potentially others. The Dems and MSM viewpoint is that is was fine to appoint a Special Counsel to investigate Trump’s links to Russia, but not Democrats’ links to anyone at all.

The Whistle Blower had no first hand information.
Let me guess. You got that from people like you defending a conspiracy promoted by a corrupted POTUS.

How do you even know that the WB had no first hand information?

You mean the one that committed PERJURY while transmitting the complaints?

The Federalist: "The complainant’s failure to disclose his interactions with Schiff or his staff could put him in legal hot water, as the whistleblower form he submitted requires individuals to disclose “other actions you are taking on your disclosure” under penalty of perjury."

An entire page of the whistleblower form is dedicated to collecting information about previous disclosures so the ICIG can take appropriate action in response to the complaint.

“I have previously disclosed (or am disclosing) the violations alleged here to (complete all that apply),” the form requires the complainant to attest. The form includes checkboxes for disclosures to other inspectors general, other agencies, the Department of Justice, the Government Accountability Office, the Office of Special Counsel, other executive branch departments, Congress and its respective committees, and media. It also includes a separate question asking the complainant to detail those previous disclosures to the ICIG. -The Federalist​

He committed Perjury and Schiff lied, and Pelosi launched a impeachment inquiry before she read the transcripts? This has got to be the dumbest most high profile move ever by the House.

IMPEACHMENT OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES based on the word of a
PERJURER, backed up by the Bald Faced Lies of Schiff, the Committee Chair who is running the Impeachment Circus?

The whistleblower deliberately concealed prior contacts with House Democrats regarding the allegations of his August 12 complaint. The box in Part 3, Question 1 of the form regarding contacts with Congress or congressional committees was unchecked and left blank. The dates of those contacts were also not disclosed as required. And the specific members and committees that were contacted were likewise not disclosed in the section requiring that information." And then signed UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY?

And while the whistleblower concealed his contacts with Schiff's committee, Schiff OUTRIGHT lied about them - claiming last month that his panel had "not spoken with the whistleblower." This earned Schiff four Pinocchios from the Washington Post.

OMG!

Nobody in the House Leadership is smart enough to double check these things before you launch IMPEACHMENT OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!?!?

Are You Kidding Me?

From Federalist? Really? I mean REALLY?

Go get me something else that tickle me.

Yes, really. Unlike left wing propaganda organs such as NYT and CNN, the Federalist is a publication with integrity.

But the federalist isn’t allowed to tell the story they report since it doesn’t align with the faked story. Just ask her

You are allowed to publish a link to whatever you want. But it’s a matter of credibility.

 

[charwin95]

Here is my big problem with that.

Asking a foreign leader a favor and dig dirt of his political enemies is way too corrupt. Since when that is acceptable?

Then he has his own personal lawyer doing the investigation. Since when that is acceptable?
This henchmen lawyer is getting information from a corrupted Ukrainian Shokin and Lushenko for decades.

If Trump really want to investigate. Why not use the FBI? Why use his henchmen?

Dig up dirt = reveal corruption...

And that's what the democrats have been doing with Russia for the past three years. They found together with the Russians that Trump is cleaner than clean. After wasting 40 million of tax-payer money. Yet the Democrats still insist that Trump is illegitimate president.

Apparently sometimes it is ok, and sometimes it is not. The key appears to be whether the politician is a corrupt Democrat or clean Trump.

Wrong again. Sadly mueller investigation did not clear Trumpy. Trump was not clean. Get your facts straight.

I asked you a question. You avoided it. So let me repeat it again.
If Trump really want an investigation why not use the FBI? Why use his personal lawyer?

Since when a personal lawyer doing the political investigation is acceptable?

No one gives a fuck whether he cleaned Trump. They did not find anything after spending 40 million dollars. That in itself clears Trump. Perhaps you have trouble remembering that in USA you are assumed innocent until found guilty, unlike in your 3rd world utopia.

Get over it, Trump is not corrupt like you guys. Now that he is investigated, let's look at the democrats next.

For people like you. They don’t give a fuck.
For people like me that believes in reality and facts makes a big difference.

Why are you changing the topic? Why are you concentrating on Mueller? In reality mueller did not clear Trump. So get your facts straight.

I asked you a question. You deflect. Is that mean you are just ignorant as everyone else of trump supporters?

Trump is corrupt crystal clear.

Why do you fear the other side of a story? Are you a robot?

What other side of story?

 

[Norman]

Dig up dirt = reveal corruption...

And that's what the democrats have been doing with Russia for the past three years. They found together with the Russians that Trump is cleaner than clean. After wasting 40 million of tax-payer money. Yet the Democrats still insist that Trump is illegitimate president.

Apparently sometimes it is ok, and sometimes it is not. The key appears to be whether the politician is a corrupt Democrat or clean Trump.

Wrong again. Sadly mueller investigation did not clear Trumpy. Trump was not clean. Get your facts straight.

I asked you a question. You avoided it. So let me repeat it again.
If Trump really want an investigation why not use the FBI? Why use his personal lawyer?

Since when a personal lawyer doing the political investigation is acceptable?

No one gives a fuck whether he cleaned Trump. They did not find anything after spending 40 million dollars. That in itself clears Trump. Perhaps you have trouble remembering that in USA you are assumed innocent until found guilty, unlike in your 3rd world utopia.

Get over it, Trump is not corrupt like you guys. Now that he is investigated, let's look at the democrats next.

For people like you. They don’t give a fuck.
For people like me that believes in reality and facts makes a big difference.

Why are you changing the topic? Why are you concentrating on Mueller? In reality mueller did not clear Trump. So get your facts straight.

I asked you a question. You deflect. Is that mean you are just ignorant as everyone else of trump supporters?

Trump is corrupt crystal clear.

Why do you fear the other side of a story? Are you a robot?

What other side of story?

The one that is about to play out.

 

[charwin95]

Here is my big problem with that.

Asking a foreign leader a favor and dig dirt of his political enemies is way too corrupt. Since when that is acceptable?

Then he has his own personal lawyer doing the investigation. Since when that is acceptable?
This henchmen lawyer is getting information from a corrupted Ukrainian Shokin and Lushenko for decades.

If Trump really want to investigate. Why not use the FBI? Why use his henchmen?

Dig up dirt = reveal corruption...

And that's what the democrats have been doing with Russia for the past three years. They found together with the Russians that Trump is cleaner than clean. After wasting 40 million of tax-payer money. Yet the Democrats still insist that Trump is illegitimate president.

Apparently sometimes it is ok, and sometimes it is not. The key appears to be whether the politician is a corrupt Democrat or clean Trump.

Wrong again. Sadly mueller investigation did not clear Trumpy. Trump was not clean. Get your facts straight.

I asked you a question. You avoided it. So let me repeat it again.
If Trump really want an investigation why not use the FBI? Why use his personal lawyer?

Since when a personal lawyer doing the political investigation is acceptable?

No one gives a fuck whether he cleaned Trump. They did not find anything after spending 40 million dollars. That in itself clears Trump. Perhaps you have trouble remembering that in USA you are assumed innocent until found guilty, unlike in your 3rd world utopia.

Get over it, Trump is not corrupt like you guys. Now that he is investigated, let's look at the democrats next.

For people like you. They don’t give a fuck.
For people like me that believes in reality and facts makes a big difference.

Why are you changing the topic? Why are you concentrating on Mueller? In reality mueller did not clear Trump. So get your facts straight.

I asked you a question. You deflect. Is that mean you are just ignorant as everyone else of trump supporters?

Trump is corrupt crystal clear.

There is zero evidence of Trump doing anything outside of law.

Go on with the impeachment if you feel otherwise. What are you waiting for?

Wrong. Trumpy a traitor. Asking China to interfere in to our election is not a violation?

Impeachment proceedings is on going full force. Just sit and watch.

 

[bripat9643]

Agreed. And at the same time, most of the GOP and THEIR sheep are just automatically denying everything out of hand, as the tribes usually do.

Of course we are denying their made-up charges, because we all have the transcript. We all can read. It's not like Fox is reporting one thing and CNN another.

The words are being interpreted differently by the two ends of the spectrum.

Each end of the spectrum is claiming its interpretation is the right one.

You understand that, right?
.

The Dims are sleazy lying douchebags, of course. Their interpretation is obvious bullshit.

 

[bripat9643]

Dig up dirt = reveal corruption...

And that's what the democrats have been doing with Russia for the past three years. They found together with the Russians that Trump is cleaner than clean. After wasting 40 million of tax-payer money. Yet the Democrats still insist that Trump is illegitimate president.

Apparently sometimes it is ok, and sometimes it is not. The key appears to be whether the politician is a corrupt Democrat or clean Trump.

Wrong again. Sadly mueller investigation did not clear Trumpy. Trump was not clean. Get your facts straight.

I asked you a question. You avoided it. So let me repeat it again.
If Trump really want an investigation why not use the FBI? Why use his personal lawyer?

Since when a personal lawyer doing the political investigation is acceptable?

No one gives a fuck whether he cleaned Trump. They did not find anything after spending 40 million dollars. That in itself clears Trump. Perhaps you have trouble remembering that in USA you are assumed innocent until found guilty, unlike in your 3rd world utopia.

Get over it, Trump is not corrupt like you guys. Now that he is investigated, let's look at the democrats next.

For people like you. They don’t give a fuck.
For people like me that believes in reality and facts makes a big difference.

Why are you changing the topic? Why are you concentrating on Mueller? In reality mueller did not clear Trump. So get your facts straight.

I asked you a question. You deflect. Is that mean you are just ignorant as everyone else of trump supporters?

Trump is corrupt crystal clear.

There is zero evidence of Trump doing anything outside of law.

Go on with the impeachment if you feel otherwise. What are you waiting for?

Wrong. Trumpy a traitor. Asking China to interfere in to our election is not a violation?

Impeachment proceedings is on going full force. Just sit and watch.

Trump asked them to investigate a crook, which is perfectly legitimate. On the other hand, loads of Democrats asked foreign countries to interfere in our election.

 

[Norman]

Dig up dirt = reveal corruption...

And that's what the democrats have been doing with Russia for the past three years. They found together with the Russians that Trump is cleaner than clean. After wasting 40 million of tax-payer money. Yet the Democrats still insist that Trump is illegitimate president.

Apparently sometimes it is ok, and sometimes it is not. The key appears to be whether the politician is a corrupt Democrat or clean Trump.

Wrong again. Sadly mueller investigation did not clear Trumpy. Trump was not clean. Get your facts straight.

I asked you a question. You avoided it. So let me repeat it again.
If Trump really want an investigation why not use the FBI? Why use his personal lawyer?

Since when a personal lawyer doing the political investigation is acceptable?

No one gives a fuck whether he cleaned Trump. They did not find anything after spending 40 million dollars. That in itself clears Trump. Perhaps you have trouble remembering that in USA you are assumed innocent until found guilty, unlike in your 3rd world utopia.

Get over it, Trump is not corrupt like you guys. Now that he is investigated, let's look at the democrats next.

For people like you. They don’t give a fuck.
For people like me that believes in reality and facts makes a big difference.

Why are you changing the topic? Why are you concentrating on Mueller? In reality mueller did not clear Trump. So get your facts straight.

I asked you a question. You deflect. Is that mean you are just ignorant as everyone else of trump supporters?

Trump is corrupt crystal clear.

There is zero evidence of Trump doing anything outside of law.

Go on with the impeachment if you feel otherwise. What are you waiting for?

Wrong. Trumpy a traitor. Asking China to interfere in to our election is not a violation?

Impeachment proceedings is on going full force. Just sit and watch.

I will sit, watch and learn, it will be a pleasure. I will never get tired of this film.

 

[Bush92]

I've been reading for a long time that Trump supporters want the impeachment proceedings to happen, and I'm seeing a lot of celebrating here, but I'm not quite sure why.

My guess is that you're thinking the Dems will make themselves look bad in the process, just in time for the next elections, would that be fair? (I can't disagree that politicians can make themselves look foolish, by the way, especially when they think they smell blood)

Any other reasons? And isn't it possible that some negative or damaging news on Trump will come to light as well, which might hurt him in 2020?

Serious questions.
.

This stupid shit continues to go on? Settle it at the ballot box.

 

[bripat9643]

Dims are responsible for all the chaos.

You elect a guy specifically because he was a wrecking ball (as a Trumpster describes him in post 1594), and then you complain about the chaos that ensues and blame it on the other tribe, as if Trump is merely a well-meaning victim.

This is another example of why I never know what to believe from ideologues. Either you're kidding around like this is a political version of professional wrestling, or you're so consumed by your ideology that you're simply no longer connected to reality.

This stuff is truly disturbing. Simple, fundamental reality is now so distorted and diluted that I sincerely don't know how a republic is supposed to survive in this. Worse, this is all a self-inflicted wound. We're choosing to do this to ourselves.
.

So you believe we should tolerate corruption and business as usual?

 

[charwin95]

Agreed. And at the same time, most of the GOP and THEIR sheep are just automatically denying everything out of hand, as the tribes usually do.

Of course we are denying their made-up charges, because we all have the transcript. We all can read. It's not like Fox is reporting one thing and CNN another.

The words are being interpreted differently by the two ends of the spectrum.

Each end of the spectrum is claiming its interpretation is the right one.

You understand that, right?
.

It would be great if the democrats already went on with it. It's time for Trump to learn that negotiating with these fools is impossible. Go on the offense and start landing them in prison, just like they are attempting.

Trump has done everything he can to govern the best he can. To make the best deals... but ultimately, a wrecking ball is what he was elected to be. He was not supposed to negotiate with these people who want him in prison, but to wreck them.

Here is my big problem with that.

Asking a foreign leader a favor and dig dirt of his political enemies is way too corrupt. Since when that is acceptable?

Then he has his own personal lawyer doing the investigation. Since when that is acceptable?
This henchmen lawyer is getting information from a corrupted Ukrainian Shokin and Lushenko for decades.

If Trump really want to investigate. Why not use the FBI? Why use his henchmen?

I guess for the same reason the DNC refused to have the FBI look at their computers after they were hacked, and hired an outside agency, which is now back in the limelight again with this Ukrainian thing.

Trump can trust his lawyers. The FBI have proven themselves to be biased and untrustworthy.

Director Wray head of FBI was installed by Trump. Your excuse is not acceptable.

Sure a corrupted potus trust his personal lawyer. What do you expect?

This is like asking Jeffrey Dahmer attorney if Dahmer is a killer or not.

 

[bripat9643]

Clinton was impeached. Yawn. Anyone remember Marion Barry? Smoke crack with a hooker. Then go on to get reelected like that was saving grace. So where are we going with this national train wreck? Trump is going to be reelected and this is a waste of time, the Oracle of Denver predicts it.

Really? As long as your president is acting like a 10 yo kid. Always doing something or saying something dumb and stupid. With all the chaos and discombobulation there is a very big chance of kicking this unhinged corrupted POTUS out of WH.


Look at his massive rallies during the 2016 campaign. Very impressive. Anemically (sadly ) he only got 63+ millions votes. With all these chaos he is creating with his dumb foreign and domestic policies.
Do you honestly believe that the 63+ millions votes increase or decrease?

Dims are responsible for all the chaos. The "chaos" consists of their petulant whining and crying about Trump. They still haven't gotten over the fact that Trump beat their douchebag criminal candidate. They couldn't fool the voters.

You got that backwards. Trump used the scary tactical methods of scaring Americans.
America is and always been great. Not because of your lousy POTUS.

Chaos are started and created by your dude. Without the democrats we don’t know the corruption of this corrupt POTUS. Thank you democrats.

All the chaos comes from Dims shouting in the streets, beating innocent people and rioting. Trump supporters don't do any of that.