Show us please where the Bible says not to associate with gays or other sinners

[Delta4Embassy]

How is a business discriminating against gays part of Christianity? Was under the impression Christians deliberately sought out sinners to minister to, not avoid them.

 

[Iceweasel]

How can you not know at this point?

 

[Katzndogz]

Associating with sinners doesn't mean joining them and committing the sin yourself.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

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[Dogmaphobe]

The burden of proof I would require wouldn't be something so nebulous as "the bible", for the Christian bible is an admixture of the Pentateuch, various writings by the Pharisee Paul, accounts of Jesus' teachings by his actual disciples, and other sources.

The proof I would require would be in the form of the red letters, which would represent more closely the path a Christian should actually take.

 

[Katzndogz]

The left intends to redefine religion into its own image. That's why they lie. No one has refused to associate with gays. No one has refused to serve them. The left needs these lies as a basis for their redefinition.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Wow, still nothing. No one can show where a Bible says to discriminate against gays and sinners huh? Weird. Are you guys sure that that's part of Christianity then?

 

[Iceweasel]

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Does anybo

Wow, still nothing. No one can show where a Bible says to discriminate against gays and sinners huh? Weird. Are you guys sure that that's part of Christianity then?

The Bible says to discriminate against a whole bunch of things. Really, if you want to know go study the Bible instead of demanding to be spoon fed.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

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Does anybo

Wow, still nothing. No one can show where a Bible says to discriminate against gays and sinners huh? Weird. Are you guys sure that that's part of Christianity then?

The Bible says to discriminate against a whole bunch of things. Really, if you want to know go study the Bible instead of demanding to be spoon fed.

And yet, no chapter and verse. You sure it does, or are you repeating something you heard somewhere?

 

[Manonthestreet]

Doing business and ministering are 2 different things,

 

[hadit]

Wow, still nothing. No one can show where a Bible says to discriminate against gays and sinners huh? Weird. Are you guys sure that that's part of Christianity then?

It doesn't. You know that, which is why you started this baiting thread. As a matter of fact, Christians should eagerly look for opportunities to serve those they oppose. That's not what's being settled here, however. What is in play is how far a business can go in refusing to partake in activities they don't like. I find it interesting that many who want these business' shut down on the basis that "it's only a product, what's done with it shouldn't matter" have no problem simultaneously and piously proclaiming that gun manufacturers and gun shops should be liable if a gun, legally manufactured and sold, is stolen and used to kill someone.

 

[Iceweasel]

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Does anybo

Wow, still nothing. No one can show where a Bible says to discriminate against gays and sinners huh? Weird. Are you guys sure that that's part of Christianity then?

The Bible says to discriminate against a whole bunch of things. Really, if you want to know go study the Bible instead of demanding to be spoon fed.

And yet, no chapter and verse. You sure it does, or are you repeating something you heard somewhere?

The Bible says everyone is a sinner. You have no understanding at all. If you had some limited working knowledge you'd have a shot at it but it's like a toddler demanding a calculus formula when he can't add 2+2.

These days it's very easy to look it up. You could have but you obviously have no real interest in it.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

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Does anybo

Wow, still nothing. No one can show where a Bible says to discriminate against gays and sinners huh? Weird. Are you guys sure that that's part of Christianity then?

The Bible says to discriminate against a whole bunch of things. Really, if you want to know go study the Bible instead of demanding to be spoon fed.

And yet, no chapter and verse. You sure it does, or are you repeating something you heard somewhere?

The Bible says everyone is a sinner. You have no understanding at all. If you had some limited working knowledge you'd have a shot at it but it's like a toddler demanding a calculus formula when he can't add 2+2.

These days it's very easy to look it up. You could have but you obviously have no real interest in it.

Wow, still nothing.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Wow, still nothing. No one can show where a Bible says to discriminate against gays and sinners huh? Weird. Are you guys sure that that's part of Christianity then?

It doesn't. You know that, which is why you started this baiting thread. As a matter of fact, Christians should eagerly look for opportunities to serve those they oppose. That's not what's being settled here, however. What is in play is how far a business can go in refusing to partake in activities they don't like. I find it interesting that many who want these business' shut down on the basis that "it's only a product, what's done with it shouldn't matter" have no problem simultaneously and piously proclaiming that gun manufacturers and gun shops should be liable if a gun, legally manufactured and sold, is stolen and used to kill someone.

People are saying because they're religious beliefs say or allow discrimination against gays they should be allowed to discriminate against gays. Fine. So show us where your religion's holy text (usually the Bible) says that.

Thought that was fairly simple and straight-foward. Are you saying the Bible doesn't say that?

 

[defcon4]

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Does anybo

Wow, still nothing. No one can show where a Bible says to discriminate against gays and sinners huh? Weird. Are you guys sure that that's part of Christianity then?

The Bible says to discriminate against a whole bunch of things. Really, if you want to know go study the Bible instead of demanding to be spoon fed.

And yet, no chapter and verse. You sure it does, or are you repeating something you heard somewhere?

King James Bible Judges19:22
"Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him."
Later versions interpret the bold setting as that "we may know him"=we can have sex with him.
"Belial"=worthless fellows
Paul makes the reference to the above quote in: 2 Corinthians 6:15
"What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?"
2 Corinthians 6:14
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

 

[Katzndogz]

The Bible is quite clear in admonishing believers not to commit sins. When a believer participates in a same sex wedding they are committing a personal sin without regard as to what anyone else is doing.

 

[DGS49]

As much as the Gay Mafia tries to hide it, the issue in the public debate is not about people who have sexual attraction to others of the same gender (which is what defines homosexuality). This attraction is morally neutral, as is the attraction of a heterosexual man to Jennifer Anniston.

Ironically, it is not about the sin of same-sex sodomy, either. Everyone is a sinner, and many, many people engage in various forms of sodomy in the privacy of their own environment, unknown to anyone but their partners, and no one - Christian, Jew, Muslim, or otherwise - gives a shit.

No, the public discussion is about people who habitually engage in homosexual sodomy and proclaim that fact publicly. ("Marrying" someone of the same gender is such a public proclamation, in case you hadn't noticed). Because unless it is publicly proclaimed or overtly manifested, nobody knows or cares about it.

Even if someone WANTED TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST GAYS in every aspect of his life, he couldn't do it without the assistance of gay people publicly manifesting their sodomite lifestyle.

"Hate the sin; Love the sinner," is a common Christian expression, but that does not fit well with a sinner who publicly proclaims not only that s/he is a sinner of this particular type, but also that they intend to continue committing that sin as long as they are able to do so. Marching in a "Gay Pride" parade?

The only rational response of a dedicate Christian who encounters such a person is to (1) ignore and avoid them, or (2) proselytize them. The Indiana law that is now under fire seeks to facilitate (1).

But the Gay Mafia must be mollified, mustn't it? So our MSM is having a collective hissy-fit over NOTHING at all. It's really quite pathetic.

 

[hadit]

Wow, still nothing. No one can show where a Bible says to discriminate against gays and sinners huh? Weird. Are you guys sure that that's part of Christianity then?

It doesn't. You know that, which is why you started this baiting thread. As a matter of fact, Christians should eagerly look for opportunities to serve those they oppose. That's not what's being settled here, however. What is in play is how far a business can go in refusing to partake in activities they don't like. I find it interesting that many who want these business' shut down on the basis that "it's only a product, what's done with it shouldn't matter" have no problem simultaneously and piously proclaiming that gun manufacturers and gun shops should be liable if a gun, legally manufactured and sold, is stolen and used to kill someone.

People are saying because they're religious beliefs say or allow discrimination against gays they should be allowed to discriminate against gays. Fine. So show us where your religion's holy text (usually the Bible) says that.

Thought that was fairly simple and straight-foward. Are you saying the Bible doesn't say that?

What part of "it doesn't" did you miss? Also, note that I stated you already knew that, which makes this thread nothing but baiting.

Just in case you missed it again, I'll state it again. The Bible doesn't say to discriminate against gay people.
Just in case you missed it again, I'll state it again. The Bible doesn't say to discriminate against gay people.
Just in case you missed it again, I'll state it again. The Bible doesn't say to discriminate against gay people.

In fact, it even goes so far as to say we are to purchase stuff without asking whether it was used in ways we oppose.

Now that that is settled, let's talk about the real meat of the issue, which is Christian owned businesses being forced to PARTICIPATE in things they oppose, not just sell stuff to people who then use the products in ways the seller doesn't like. And, like I pointed out, there are many gunphobes who want gun manufacturers and shops held liable for the mis-use of their products who are wailing that these business owners should just shut up and toe the line because "it's just a product" that they're selling and they're NOT liable for its use. IOW, gun sellers SHOULD consider themselves part of the use of their product, these should NOT. Very hypocritical.

 

[JOSweetHeart]

Anything that encourages their lifestyle is what we are not to have anything to do with which is why not just anyone will bake a gay wedding cake for example. That is where they could end up being on their own.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

 

[Capstone]

2 Corinthians 6 14-16 (NASB):

14 Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness?15 Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever?16 Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God...

Romans 1:18-32 (NASB):

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. 24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; 32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.

And one such "ordinance of God" was made brutally clear in Leviticus 20:13 (NASB):

13 If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them.

So, the Bible not only bans the practice of activities against the "ordinance(s) of God"; it explicitly bans behavior that could be construed as "giv[ing] hearty approval to those who practice them" (E.G. baking celebratory cakes and such?).

Don't be trying to convince Christians that bigotry, intolerance, and other modes of stupidity aren't rife in their holy book, Delta; that just makes you look stupider than them.