Shut it down, withdraw troops world wide...

[Rustic]

That’s the best thing that can happen, we have no business being the world’s police man. We cannot afford it, we are not making life better for anybody, the Rules of engagement have destroyed the effectiveness of our military, We cannot keep on giving money to deadbeats worldwide...

 

[candycorn]

That’s the best thing that can happen, we have no business being the world’s police man. We cannot afford it, we are not making life better for anybody, the Rules of engagement have destroyed the effectiveness of our military, We cannot keep on giving money to deadbeats worldwide...

Bad idea. Here is why.

Whatever engagements we will be getting into in the future will be coalitions; it makes sense to train with the troops from other nations, it makes sense to share technology, intel, nomenclature, etc.... It makes sense to get the troops used to the climates, the language barriers, the problems... One of the problems our female commanders had in the Iraq coalition was commanders from other nations taking orders from them based solely on gender.

Good idea too; here is why.

While coalitions with NATO and South Korea will pay dividends. I seriously doubt that we will be working with troops from Somolia, Colombia (many of whom are on the take from the local drug lords) etc. Where it is smart; bring them home. You're right about that.

 

[beautress]

That’s the best thing that can happen, we have no business being the world’s police man. We cannot afford it, we are not making life better for anybody, the Rules of engagement have destroyed the effectiveness of our military, We cannot keep on giving money to deadbeats worldwide...

It is highly laudable to wish for peace on earth, Rustic. I pray for it every night at vespers time. Unfortunately, when the world goes to sleep in the face of a brutal dictatorship that plans genocide and retributive death against races, clans, and dissenters to the dictator abusing his power, millions of people can and do die.

Here's a list for starters:

1886-1908: Belgium-Congo Free State (8 million)
1898: USA-Spain & Philippines (220,000)
1899-02: British-Boer war (100,000)
1899-03: Colombian civil war (120,000)
1899-02: Philippines vs USA (20,000)
1900-01: Boxer rebels against Russia, Britain, France, Japan, USA against rebels (35,000)
1901-32: Saudis vs Arabian kingdoms (?)
1903: Ottomans vs Macedonian rebels (20,000)
1904: Germany vs Namibia (65,000)
1904-05: Japan vs Russia (150,000)
1910-20: Mexican revolution (250,000)
1911: Chinese Revolution (2.4 million)
1911-12: Italian-Ottoman war (20,000)
1912-13: Balkan wars (150,000)
1915-23: Ottoman genocides (1.2 million Armenians, 500,000 Assyrians, 350,000 Greek Pontians and 480,000 Anatolian Greeks)
1914-18: World War I (20 million)
1916: Kyrgyz revolt against Russia (120,000)
1917-21: Soviet revolution (5 million)
1917-19: Greece vs Turkey (45,000)
1918-20: Russian civil war (1 million)
1919-21: Poland vs Soviet Union (27,000)
1928-37: Chinese civil war (2 million)
1931: Japanese Manchurian War (1.1 million)
1932-33: Soviet Union vs Ukraine (10 million)
1932: "La Matanza" in El Salvador (30,000)
1932-35: "Guerra del Chaco" between Bolivia and Paraguay (117.500)
1934: Mao's Long March (170,000)
1936: Italy's invasion of Ethiopia (200,000)
1936-37: Stalin's purges (7-13 million)
1936-39: Spanish civil war (600,000)
1937-45: Japanese invasion of China (500,000)
1939-45: World War II (55 million) including holocaust and Chinese revolution
1946-49: Chinese civil war (1.2 million)
1946-49: Greek civil war (50,000)
1946-54: France-Vietnam war (600,000)
1947: Partition of India and Pakistan (1 million)
1947: Taiwan's uprising against the Kuomintang (30,000)
1948-1958: Colombian civil war (250,000)
1948-1973: Arab-Israeli wars (70,000)
1949-: Indian Muslims vs Hindus (20,000)
1949-50: Mainland China vs Tibet (1,200,000)
1950-53: Korean war (3 million)
1952-59: Kenya's Mau Mau insurrection (20,000)
1954-62: French-Algerian war (368,000)
1958-61: Mao's "Great Leap Forward" (38 million?)
1960-90: South Africa vs Africa National Congress (?)
1960-96: Guatemala's civil war (200,000)
1961-98: Indonesia vs West Papua/Irian (100,000)
1961-2003: Kurds vs Iraq (180,000)
1962-75: Mozambique Frelimo vs Portugal (10,000)
1962-75: Angolan FNLA & MPLA vs Portugal (50,000)
1964-73: USA-Vietnam war (3 million)
1965: second India-Pakistan war over Kashmir
1965-66: Indonesian civil war (250,000)
1966-69: Mao's "Cultural Revolution" (11 million?)
1966-2016: Colombia's civil war (200,000)
1967-70: Nigeria-Biafra civil war (800,000)
1968-80: Rhodesia's civil war (?)
1969-: Philippines vs the communist Bagong Hukbong Bayan/ New People's Army (40,000)
1969-79: Idi Amin, Uganda (300,000)
1969-02: IRA - Norther Ireland's civil war (3,000)
1969-79: Francisco Macias Nguema, Equatorial Guinea (50,000)
1971: Pakistan-Bangladesh civil war (500,000)
1972-2014: Philippines vs Muslim separatists (Moro Islamic Liberation Front, etc) (150,000)
1972: Burundi's civil war (300,000)
1972-79: Rhodesia/Zimbabwe's civil war (30,000)
1974-91: Ethiopian civil war (1,000,000)
1975-78: Menghitsu, Ethiopia (1.5 million)
1975-79: Khmer Rouge, Cambodia (1.7 million)
1975-89: Boat people, Vietnam (250,000)
1975-87: civil war in Lebanon (130,000)
1975-87: Laos' civil war (184,000)
1975-2002: Angolan civil war (500,000)
1976-83: Argentina's military regime (20,000)
1976-93: Mozambique's civil war (900,000)
1976-98: Indonesia-East Timor civil war (600,000)
1976-2005: Indonesia-Aceh (GAM) civil war (12,000)
1977-92: El Salvador's civil war (75,000)
1979: Vietnam-China war (30,000)
1979-88: the Soviet Union invades Afghanistan (1.3 million)
1980-88: Iraq-Iran war (435,000)
1980-92: Sendero Luminoso - Peru's civil war (69,000)
1984-: Kurds vs Turkey (35,000)
1981-90: Nicaragua vs Contras (60,000)
1982-90: Hissene Habre, Chad (40,000)
1983-2009: Sri Lanka's civil war (70,000)
1983-2002: Sudanese civil war (2 million)
1986-: Indian Kashmir's civil war (60,000)
1987-: Palestinian Intifada (4,500)
1988-2001: Afghanistan civil war (400,000)
1988-2004: Somalia's civil war (550,000)
1989-2003: Liberian civil war (220,000)
1989-: Uganda vs Lord's Resistance Army (30,000)
1991: Gulf War - large coalition against Iraq to liberate Kuwait (85,000)
1991-97: Congo Kinshasa's civil war (800,000)
1991-2000: Sierra Leone's civil war (200,000)
1991-2009: Russia-Chechnya civil war (200,000)
1991-94: Armenia-Azerbaijan war (35,000)
1992-96: Tajikstan's civil war war (50,000)
1992-96: Yugoslavian wars (260,000)
1992-99: Algerian civil war (150,000)
1993-97: Congo Brazzaville's civil war (100,000)
1993-2005: Burundi's civil war (200,000)
1994: Rwanda's civil war (900,000)
1995-: Pakistani Sunnis vs Shiites (1,300)
1995-: Maoist rebellion in Nepal (12,000)
1998-: Congo Kinshasa/Zaire's war - Rwanda and Uganda vs Zimbabwe, Angola and Namibia (3.8 million)
1998-2000: Ethiopia-Eritrea war (75,000)
1999: Kosovo's liberation war - NATO vs Serbia (2,000)
2001-: Afghanistan's liberation war - USA & UK vs Taliban (40,000)
2001-: Nigeria vs Boko Haram (20,000)
2002-: Cote d'Ivoire's civil war (1,000)
2003-11: Second Iraq-USA war - USA, UK and Australia vs Saddam Hussein's regime and Shiite squads and Sunni extremists (160,000)
2003-09: Sudan vs JEM/Darfur (300,000)
2004-: Sudan vs SPLM & Eritrea (?)
2004-15: Yemen vs Houthis (?)
2004-: Thailand vs Muslim separatists (6,500)
2007-: Pakistan vs Pakistani Taliban (38,000)
2011-18: Iraq's civil war after the withdrawal of the USA (150,000)
2012-: Syria's civil war (320,000)
2013-15: South Sudan vs rebels (10,000)
2014-16: Ukraine's civil war (9,500)
2015-: Saudi Arabia vs Yemen (10,000)
2018: Myanmar army vs Rohingyas (10,000)​

Pleasant dreams if you think ignoring tragedy caused by hate and prejudice is a good idea, especially when American citizens become casualties just for taking a vacation into lands where its natives have an axe to grind with our nation in general.

 

[Rustic]

That’s the best thing that can happen, we have no business being the world’s police man. We cannot afford it, we are not making life better for anybody, the Rules of engagement have destroyed the effectiveness of our military, We cannot keep on giving money to deadbeats worldwide...

It is highly laudable to wish for peace on earth, Rustic. I pray for it every night at vespers time. Unfortunately, when the world goes to sleep in the face of a brutal dictatorship that plans genocide and retributive death against races, clans, and dissenters to the dictator abusing his power, millions of people can and do die.

Here's a list for starters:

1886-1908: Belgium-Congo Free State (8 million)
1898: USA-Spain & Philippines (220,000)
1899-02: British-Boer war (100,000)
1899-03: Colombian civil war (120,000)
1899-02: Philippines vs USA (20,000)
1900-01: Boxer rebels against Russia, Britain, France, Japan, USA against rebels (35,000)
1901-32: Saudis vs Arabian kingdoms (?)
1903: Ottomans vs Macedonian rebels (20,000)
1904: Germany vs Namibia (65,000)
1904-05: Japan vs Russia (150,000)
1910-20: Mexican revolution (250,000)
1911: Chinese Revolution (2.4 million)
1911-12: Italian-Ottoman war (20,000)
1912-13: Balkan wars (150,000)
1915-23: Ottoman genocides (1.2 million Armenians, 500,000 Assyrians, 350,000 Greek Pontians and 480,000 Anatolian Greeks)
1914-18: World War I (20 million)
1916: Kyrgyz revolt against Russia (120,000)
1917-21: Soviet revolution (5 million)
1917-19: Greece vs Turkey (45,000)
1918-20: Russian civil war (1 million)
1919-21: Poland vs Soviet Union (27,000)
1928-37: Chinese civil war (2 million)
1931: Japanese Manchurian War (1.1 million)
1932-33: Soviet Union vs Ukraine (10 million)
1932: "La Matanza" in El Salvador (30,000)
1932-35: "Guerra del Chaco" between Bolivia and Paraguay (117.500)
1934: Mao's Long March (170,000)
1936: Italy's invasion of Ethiopia (200,000)
1936-37: Stalin's purges (7-13 million)
1936-39: Spanish civil war (600,000)
1937-45: Japanese invasion of China (500,000)
1939-45: World War II (55 million) including holocaust and Chinese revolution
1946-49: Chinese civil war (1.2 million)
1946-49: Greek civil war (50,000)
1946-54: France-Vietnam war (600,000)
1947: Partition of India and Pakistan (1 million)
1947: Taiwan's uprising against the Kuomintang (30,000)
1948-1958: Colombian civil war (250,000)
1948-1973: Arab-Israeli wars (70,000)
1949-: Indian Muslims vs Hindus (20,000)
1949-50: Mainland China vs Tibet (1,200,000)
1950-53: Korean war (3 million)
1952-59: Kenya's Mau Mau insurrection (20,000)
1954-62: French-Algerian war (368,000)
1958-61: Mao's "Great Leap Forward" (38 million?)
1960-90: South Africa vs Africa National Congress (?)
1960-96: Guatemala's civil war (200,000)
1961-98: Indonesia vs West Papua/Irian (100,000)
1961-2003: Kurds vs Iraq (180,000)
1962-75: Mozambique Frelimo vs Portugal (10,000)
1962-75: Angolan FNLA & MPLA vs Portugal (50,000)
1964-73: USA-Vietnam war (3 million)
1965: second India-Pakistan war over Kashmir
1965-66: Indonesian civil war (250,000)
1966-69: Mao's "Cultural Revolution" (11 million?)
1966-2016: Colombia's civil war (200,000)
1967-70: Nigeria-Biafra civil war (800,000)
1968-80: Rhodesia's civil war (?)
1969-: Philippines vs the communist Bagong Hukbong Bayan/ New People's Army (40,000)
1969-79: Idi Amin, Uganda (300,000)
1969-02: IRA - Norther Ireland's civil war (3,000)
1969-79: Francisco Macias Nguema, Equatorial Guinea (50,000)
1971: Pakistan-Bangladesh civil war (500,000)
1972-2014: Philippines vs Muslim separatists (Moro Islamic Liberation Front, etc) (150,000)
1972: Burundi's civil war (300,000)
1972-79: Rhodesia/Zimbabwe's civil war (30,000)
1974-91: Ethiopian civil war (1,000,000)
1975-78: Menghitsu, Ethiopia (1.5 million)
1975-79: Khmer Rouge, Cambodia (1.7 million)
1975-89: Boat people, Vietnam (250,000)
1975-87: civil war in Lebanon (130,000)
1975-87: Laos' civil war (184,000)
1975-2002: Angolan civil war (500,000)
1976-83: Argentina's military regime (20,000)
1976-93: Mozambique's civil war (900,000)
1976-98: Indonesia-East Timor civil war (600,000)
1976-2005: Indonesia-Aceh (GAM) civil war (12,000)
1977-92: El Salvador's civil war (75,000)
1979: Vietnam-China war (30,000)
1979-88: the Soviet Union invades Afghanistan (1.3 million)
1980-88: Iraq-Iran war (435,000)
1980-92: Sendero Luminoso - Peru's civil war (69,000)
1984-: Kurds vs Turkey (35,000)
1981-90: Nicaragua vs Contras (60,000)
1982-90: Hissene Habre, Chad (40,000)
1983-2009: Sri Lanka's civil war (70,000)
1983-2002: Sudanese civil war (2 million)
1986-: Indian Kashmir's civil war (60,000)
1987-: Palestinian Intifada (4,500)
1988-2001: Afghanistan civil war (400,000)
1988-2004: Somalia's civil war (550,000)
1989-2003: Liberian civil war (220,000)
1989-: Uganda vs Lord's Resistance Army (30,000)
1991: Gulf War - large coalition against Iraq to liberate Kuwait (85,000)
1991-97: Congo Kinshasa's civil war (800,000)
1991-2000: Sierra Leone's civil war (200,000)
1991-2009: Russia-Chechnya civil war (200,000)
1991-94: Armenia-Azerbaijan war (35,000)
1992-96: Tajikstan's civil war war (50,000)
1992-96: Yugoslavian wars (260,000)
1992-99: Algerian civil war (150,000)
1993-97: Congo Brazzaville's civil war (100,000)
1993-2005: Burundi's civil war (200,000)
1994: Rwanda's civil war (900,000)
1995-: Pakistani Sunnis vs Shiites (1,300)
1995-: Maoist rebellion in Nepal (12,000)
1998-: Congo Kinshasa/Zaire's war - Rwanda and Uganda vs Zimbabwe, Angola and Namibia (3.8 million)
1998-2000: Ethiopia-Eritrea war (75,000)
1999: Kosovo's liberation war - NATO vs Serbia (2,000)
2001-: Afghanistan's liberation war - USA & UK vs Taliban (40,000)
2001-: Nigeria vs Boko Haram (20,000)
2002-: Cote d'Ivoire's civil war (1,000)
2003-11: Second Iraq-USA war - USA, UK and Australia vs Saddam Hussein's regime and Shiite squads and Sunni extremists (160,000)
2003-09: Sudan vs JEM/Darfur (300,000)
2004-: Sudan vs SPLM & Eritrea (?)
2004-15: Yemen vs Houthis (?)
2004-: Thailand vs Muslim separatists (6,500)
2007-: Pakistan vs Pakistani Taliban (38,000)
2011-18: Iraq's civil war after the withdrawal of the USA (150,000)
2012-: Syria's civil war (320,000)
2013-15: South Sudan vs rebels (10,000)
2014-16: Ukraine's civil war (9,500)
2015-: Saudi Arabia vs Yemen (10,000)
2018: Myanmar army vs Rohingyas (10,000)​

Pleasant dreams if you think ignoring tragedy caused by hate and prejudice is a good idea, especially when American citizens become casualties just for taking a vacation into lands where its natives have an axe to grind with our nation in general.

Getting along is way overrated

 

[beautress]

That’s the best thing that can happen, we have no business being the world’s police man. We cannot afford it, we are not making life better for anybody, the Rules of engagement have destroyed the effectiveness of our military, We cannot keep on giving money to deadbeats worldwide...

It is highly laudable to wish for peace on earth, Rustic. I pray for it every night at vespers time. Unfortunately, when the world goes to sleep in the face of a brutal dictatorship that plans genocide and retributive death against races, clans, and dissenters to the dictator abusing his power, millions of people can and do die.

Here's a list for starters:

1886-1908: Belgium-Congo Free State (8 million)
1898: USA-Spain & Philippines (220,000)
1899-02: British-Boer war (100,000)
1899-03: Colombian civil war (120,000)
1899-02: Philippines vs USA (20,000)
1900-01: Boxer rebels against Russia, Britain, France, Japan, USA against rebels (35,000)
1901-32: Saudis vs Arabian kingdoms (?)
1903: Ottomans vs Macedonian rebels (20,000)
1904: Germany vs Namibia (65,000)
1904-05: Japan vs Russia (150,000)
1910-20: Mexican revolution (250,000)
1911: Chinese Revolution (2.4 million)
1911-12: Italian-Ottoman war (20,000)
1912-13: Balkan wars (150,000)
1915-23: Ottoman genocides (1.2 million Armenians, 500,000 Assyrians, 350,000 Greek Pontians and 480,000 Anatolian Greeks)
1914-18: World War I (20 million)
1916: Kyrgyz revolt against Russia (120,000)
1917-21: Soviet revolution (5 million)
1917-19: Greece vs Turkey (45,000)
1918-20: Russian civil war (1 million)
1919-21: Poland vs Soviet Union (27,000)
1928-37: Chinese civil war (2 million)
1931: Japanese Manchurian War (1.1 million)
1932-33: Soviet Union vs Ukraine (10 million)
1932: "La Matanza" in El Salvador (30,000)
1932-35: "Guerra del Chaco" between Bolivia and Paraguay (117.500)
1934: Mao's Long March (170,000)
1936: Italy's invasion of Ethiopia (200,000)
1936-37: Stalin's purges (7-13 million)
1936-39: Spanish civil war (600,000)
1937-45: Japanese invasion of China (500,000)
1939-45: World War II (55 million) including holocaust and Chinese revolution
1946-49: Chinese civil war (1.2 million)
1946-49: Greek civil war (50,000)
1946-54: France-Vietnam war (600,000)
1947: Partition of India and Pakistan (1 million)
1947: Taiwan's uprising against the Kuomintang (30,000)
1948-1958: Colombian civil war (250,000)
1948-1973: Arab-Israeli wars (70,000)
1949-: Indian Muslims vs Hindus (20,000)
1949-50: Mainland China vs Tibet (1,200,000)
1950-53: Korean war (3 million)
1952-59: Kenya's Mau Mau insurrection (20,000)
1954-62: French-Algerian war (368,000)
1958-61: Mao's "Great Leap Forward" (38 million?)
1960-90: South Africa vs Africa National Congress (?)
1960-96: Guatemala's civil war (200,000)
1961-98: Indonesia vs West Papua/Irian (100,000)
1961-2003: Kurds vs Iraq (180,000)
1962-75: Mozambique Frelimo vs Portugal (10,000)
1962-75: Angolan FNLA & MPLA vs Portugal (50,000)
1964-73: USA-Vietnam war (3 million)
1965: second India-Pakistan war over Kashmir
1965-66: Indonesian civil war (250,000)
1966-69: Mao's "Cultural Revolution" (11 million?)
1966-2016: Colombia's civil war (200,000)
1967-70: Nigeria-Biafra civil war (800,000)
1968-80: Rhodesia's civil war (?)
1969-: Philippines vs the communist Bagong Hukbong Bayan/ New People's Army (40,000)
1969-79: Idi Amin, Uganda (300,000)
1969-02: IRA - Norther Ireland's civil war (3,000)
1969-79: Francisco Macias Nguema, Equatorial Guinea (50,000)
1971: Pakistan-Bangladesh civil war (500,000)
1972-2014: Philippines vs Muslim separatists (Moro Islamic Liberation Front, etc) (150,000)
1972: Burundi's civil war (300,000)
1972-79: Rhodesia/Zimbabwe's civil war (30,000)
1974-91: Ethiopian civil war (1,000,000)
1975-78: Menghitsu, Ethiopia (1.5 million)
1975-79: Khmer Rouge, Cambodia (1.7 million)
1975-89: Boat people, Vietnam (250,000)
1975-87: civil war in Lebanon (130,000)
1975-87: Laos' civil war (184,000)
1975-2002: Angolan civil war (500,000)
1976-83: Argentina's military regime (20,000)
1976-93: Mozambique's civil war (900,000)
1976-98: Indonesia-East Timor civil war (600,000)
1976-2005: Indonesia-Aceh (GAM) civil war (12,000)
1977-92: El Salvador's civil war (75,000)
1979: Vietnam-China war (30,000)
1979-88: the Soviet Union invades Afghanistan (1.3 million)
1980-88: Iraq-Iran war (435,000)
1980-92: Sendero Luminoso - Peru's civil war (69,000)
1984-: Kurds vs Turkey (35,000)
1981-90: Nicaragua vs Contras (60,000)
1982-90: Hissene Habre, Chad (40,000)
1983-2009: Sri Lanka's civil war (70,000)
1983-2002: Sudanese civil war (2 million)
1986-: Indian Kashmir's civil war (60,000)
1987-: Palestinian Intifada (4,500)
1988-2001: Afghanistan civil war (400,000)
1988-2004: Somalia's civil war (550,000)
1989-2003: Liberian civil war (220,000)
1989-: Uganda vs Lord's Resistance Army (30,000)
1991: Gulf War - large coalition against Iraq to liberate Kuwait (85,000)
1991-97: Congo Kinshasa's civil war (800,000)
1991-2000: Sierra Leone's civil war (200,000)
1991-2009: Russia-Chechnya civil war (200,000)
1991-94: Armenia-Azerbaijan war (35,000)
1992-96: Tajikstan's civil war war (50,000)
1992-96: Yugoslavian wars (260,000)
1992-99: Algerian civil war (150,000)
1993-97: Congo Brazzaville's civil war (100,000)
1993-2005: Burundi's civil war (200,000)
1994: Rwanda's civil war (900,000)
1995-: Pakistani Sunnis vs Shiites (1,300)
1995-: Maoist rebellion in Nepal (12,000)
1998-: Congo Kinshasa/Zaire's war - Rwanda and Uganda vs Zimbabwe, Angola and Namibia (3.8 million)
1998-2000: Ethiopia-Eritrea war (75,000)
1999: Kosovo's liberation war - NATO vs Serbia (2,000)
2001-: Afghanistan's liberation war - USA & UK vs Taliban (40,000)
2001-: Nigeria vs Boko Haram (20,000)
2002-: Cote d'Ivoire's civil war (1,000)
2003-11: Second Iraq-USA war - USA, UK and Australia vs Saddam Hussein's regime and Shiite squads and Sunni extremists (160,000)
2003-09: Sudan vs JEM/Darfur (300,000)
2004-: Sudan vs SPLM & Eritrea (?)
2004-15: Yemen vs Houthis (?)
2004-: Thailand vs Muslim separatists (6,500)
2007-: Pakistan vs Pakistani Taliban (38,000)
2011-18: Iraq's civil war after the withdrawal of the USA (150,000)
2012-: Syria's civil war (320,000)
2013-15: South Sudan vs rebels (10,000)
2014-16: Ukraine's civil war (9,500)
2015-: Saudi Arabia vs Yemen (10,000)
2018: Myanmar army vs Rohingyas (10,000)​

Pleasant dreams if you think ignoring tragedy caused by hate and prejudice is a good idea, especially when American citizens become casualties just for taking a vacation into lands where its natives have an axe to grind with our nation in general.

Getting along is way overrated

Tell me. But going abroad these days requires checking out the state department's warnings about the country and its issues. I like the USA. There's lots here to see and do for all ages of people, too.

Edit: Oops, I left out the Travel Advisories page at the State Department: Travel Advisories

 

[Oddball]

Bad idea. Here is why.

Whatever engagements we will be getting into in the future will be coalitions; it makes sense to train with the troops from other nations, it makes sense to share technology, intel, nomenclature, etc.... It makes sense to get the troops used to the climates, the language barriers, the problems... One of the problems our female commanders had in the Iraq coalition was commanders from other nations taking orders from them based solely on gender.

Good idea too; here is why.

While coalitions with NATO and South Korea will pay dividends. I seriously doubt that we will be working with troops from Somolia, Colombia (many of whom are on the take from the local drug lords) etc. Where it is smart; bring them home. You're right about that.

Thank you, George Bush.

 

[longknife]

As far as I'm concerned the United States only has valid interests in what happens in North and South America, along with Central America and the Caribbean. Anything else is up to everyone else.

We have forgotten or ignored the Monroe Doctrine!
China is getting involved in Nicaragua and other countries. Russia is expanding an airbase in Venezuela big enough to accommodate it's biggest nuclear-armed bombers.

 

[The Original Tree]

That’s the best thing that can happen, we have no business being the world’s police man. We cannot afford it, we are not making life better for anybody, the Rules of engagement have destroyed the effectiveness of our military, We cannot keep on giving money to deadbeats worldwide...

If we pushed all the illegals out of this country and took them off of public assistance we probably could afford to be the world's policeman. That is never going to happen as long as there is a Demorat alive and breathing on the Earth, so might as well pull everyone out, close down all these foreign bases and bring everyone home.

 

[beautress]

As far as I'm concerned the United States only has valid interests in what happens in North and South America, along with Central America and the Caribbean. Anything else is up to everyone else.

We have forgotten or ignored the Monroe Doctrine!
China is getting involved in Nicaragua and other countries. Russia is expanding an airbase in Venezuela big enough to accommodate it's biggest nuclear-armed bombers.

I remembered something that happened in Central America during the first Decade of the twenty-first century: China purchased the Panama Canal in or around 2008 after meddling with local real estate beginning in 1997. The reason I recalled it is because my late husband's also dearly departed Grandfather Myer's service to this country was his helping to build the Panama Canal when he was a young man (circa 1908. China was talking tough to our politicians back then, and I didn't care for them getting a toehold in this continent due to the Monroe Doctrine, now forgotten. Sure enough, I found it online:

AT Bing (no link) Currently the Panama Ports Company, a subsidiary of Hutchison Whampoa Ltd.,[ii] has exclusive and extensive rights to control both ends of the Panama Canal. Hutchison Whampoa is a Chinese company owned by Hong Kong billionaire, Li Ka-Shing, who has strong ties with Beijing.

The United States of America built and owned the Panama Canal for many years

This comes from gov-dot-com: Milestones: 1899–1913 - Office of the Historian

​

Building the Panama Canal, 1903–1914
President Theodore Roosevelt oversaw the realization of a long-term United States goal—a trans-isthmian canal. Throughout the 1800s, American and British leaders and businessmen wanted to ship goods quickly and cheaply between the Atlantic and Pacific coasts.

The rest of the story is at the above link. The Historical picture comes from State Department archives, and it shows men working during the process of excavating a way to join the Pacific and Atlantic in a way we could more quickly ship goods from California to New York, in a roundabout way, I guess you'd say, but it was far better than losing ships around the Drake Passage (pictured below)

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Then in 1979, Good Ol' Jimmy Carter gave our nation's detractors the best gift they ever got: He gave the Panama Canal back to a corruptible Panama government that could sell it off to - yep, you guessed it: our detractors, who are now benefitting from the Panama Canal that Americans built. My husband's grandfather succumbed to Malaria while there and had to drink quinine beverages daily for the rest of his wonderful life. That's why I was so disappointed in Jimmy Carter. He sold America out without a single thought of the vultures out there, waiting to get a foothold into the most important port in the New World that benefitted New World countries and Old World countries alike. That went away with Jimmy Carter's unilateral gift that should never have been one person's right to give away, considering how many American lives were lost in our nation's building of the Panama Canal at the turn of the nineteenth to the twentieth century.
Not only that, but Jimmy also oversaw the nation's highest gas prices ever seen during his tenure with his damn war against American Oil Companies, all because they supported his adversaries. It's nice that Jimmy spent the rest of his life working for America's poor in building homes for free, but it's not nice that he destroyed American power that we deserved to keep, considering the loss of lives of American men building the Panama Canal. Eh, what does he care? ​

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[danielpalos]

That’s the best thing that can happen, we have no business being the world’s police man. We cannot afford it, we are not making life better for anybody, the Rules of engagement have destroyed the effectiveness of our military, We cannot keep on giving money to deadbeats worldwide...

We have a Commerce Clause; we should get Capital with them.

 

[kyzr]

It makes no sense to me to borrow money to spend on other countries. If they pay us to be there, like Poland and I think South Korea, fine. I'm even okay with the CIA taking out bad guys if its cost-effective. That's still cheaper than military bases.

 

[MrShangles]

That’s the best thing that can happen, we have no business being the world’s police man. We cannot afford it, we are not making life better for anybody, the Rules of engagement have destroyed the effectiveness of our military, We cannot keep on giving money to deadbeats worldwide...

It is highly laudable to wish for peace on earth, Rustic. I pray for it every night at vespers time. Unfortunately, when the world goes to sleep in the face of a brutal dictatorship that plans genocide and retributive death against races, clans, and dissenters to the dictator abusing his power, millions of people can and do die.

Here's a list for starters:

1886-1908: Belgium-Congo Free State (8 million)
1898: USA-Spain & Philippines (220,000)
1899-02: British-Boer war (100,000)
1899-03: Colombian civil war (120,000)
1899-02: Philippines vs USA (20,000)
1900-01: Boxer rebels against Russia, Britain, France, Japan, USA against rebels (35,000)
1901-32: Saudis vs Arabian kingdoms (?)
1903: Ottomans vs Macedonian rebels (20,000)
1904: Germany vs Namibia (65,000)
1904-05: Japan vs Russia (150,000)
1910-20: Mexican revolution (250,000)
1911: Chinese Revolution (2.4 million)
1911-12: Italian-Ottoman war (20,000)
1912-13: Balkan wars (150,000)
1915-23: Ottoman genocides (1.2 million Armenians, 500,000 Assyrians, 350,000 Greek Pontians and 480,000 Anatolian Greeks)
1914-18: World War I (20 million)
1916: Kyrgyz revolt against Russia (120,000)
1917-21: Soviet revolution (5 million)
1917-19: Greece vs Turkey (45,000)
1918-20: Russian civil war (1 million)
1919-21: Poland vs Soviet Union (27,000)
1928-37: Chinese civil war (2 million)
1931: Japanese Manchurian War (1.1 million)
1932-33: Soviet Union vs Ukraine (10 million)
1932: "La Matanza" in El Salvador (30,000)
1932-35: "Guerra del Chaco" between Bolivia and Paraguay (117.500)
1934: Mao's Long March (170,000)
1936: Italy's invasion of Ethiopia (200,000)
1936-37: Stalin's purges (7-13 million)
1936-39: Spanish civil war (600,000)
1937-45: Japanese invasion of China (500,000)
1939-45: World War II (55 million) including holocaust and Chinese revolution
1946-49: Chinese civil war (1.2 million)
1946-49: Greek civil war (50,000)
1946-54: France-Vietnam war (600,000)
1947: Partition of India and Pakistan (1 million)
1947: Taiwan's uprising against the Kuomintang (30,000)
1948-1958: Colombian civil war (250,000)
1948-1973: Arab-Israeli wars (70,000)
1949-: Indian Muslims vs Hindus (20,000)
1949-50: Mainland China vs Tibet (1,200,000)
1950-53: Korean war (3 million)
1952-59: Kenya's Mau Mau insurrection (20,000)
1954-62: French-Algerian war (368,000)
1958-61: Mao's "Great Leap Forward" (38 million?)
1960-90: South Africa vs Africa National Congress (?)
1960-96: Guatemala's civil war (200,000)
1961-98: Indonesia vs West Papua/Irian (100,000)
1961-2003: Kurds vs Iraq (180,000)
1962-75: Mozambique Frelimo vs Portugal (10,000)
1962-75: Angolan FNLA & MPLA vs Portugal (50,000)
1964-73: USA-Vietnam war (3 million)
1965: second India-Pakistan war over Kashmir
1965-66: Indonesian civil war (250,000)
1966-69: Mao's "Cultural Revolution" (11 million?)
1966-2016: Colombia's civil war (200,000)
1967-70: Nigeria-Biafra civil war (800,000)
1968-80: Rhodesia's civil war (?)
1969-: Philippines vs the communist Bagong Hukbong Bayan/ New People's Army (40,000)
1969-79: Idi Amin, Uganda (300,000)
1969-02: IRA - Norther Ireland's civil war (3,000)
1969-79: Francisco Macias Nguema, Equatorial Guinea (50,000)
1971: Pakistan-Bangladesh civil war (500,000)
1972-2014: Philippines vs Muslim separatists (Moro Islamic Liberation Front, etc) (150,000)
1972: Burundi's civil war (300,000)
1972-79: Rhodesia/Zimbabwe's civil war (30,000)
1974-91: Ethiopian civil war (1,000,000)
1975-78: Menghitsu, Ethiopia (1.5 million)
1975-79: Khmer Rouge, Cambodia (1.7 million)
1975-89: Boat people, Vietnam (250,000)
1975-87: civil war in Lebanon (130,000)
1975-87: Laos' civil war (184,000)
1975-2002: Angolan civil war (500,000)
1976-83: Argentina's military regime (20,000)
1976-93: Mozambique's civil war (900,000)
1976-98: Indonesia-East Timor civil war (600,000)
1976-2005: Indonesia-Aceh (GAM) civil war (12,000)
1977-92: El Salvador's civil war (75,000)
1979: Vietnam-China war (30,000)
1979-88: the Soviet Union invades Afghanistan (1.3 million)
1980-88: Iraq-Iran war (435,000)
1980-92: Sendero Luminoso - Peru's civil war (69,000)
1984-: Kurds vs Turkey (35,000)
1981-90: Nicaragua vs Contras (60,000)
1982-90: Hissene Habre, Chad (40,000)
1983-2009: Sri Lanka's civil war (70,000)
1983-2002: Sudanese civil war (2 million)
1986-: Indian Kashmir's civil war (60,000)
1987-: Palestinian Intifada (4,500)
1988-2001: Afghanistan civil war (400,000)
1988-2004: Somalia's civil war (550,000)
1989-2003: Liberian civil war (220,000)
1989-: Uganda vs Lord's Resistance Army (30,000)
1991: Gulf War - large coalition against Iraq to liberate Kuwait (85,000)
1991-97: Congo Kinshasa's civil war (800,000)
1991-2000: Sierra Leone's civil war (200,000)
1991-2009: Russia-Chechnya civil war (200,000)
1991-94: Armenia-Azerbaijan war (35,000)
1992-96: Tajikstan's civil war war (50,000)
1992-96: Yugoslavian wars (260,000)
1992-99: Algerian civil war (150,000)
1993-97: Congo Brazzaville's civil war (100,000)
1993-2005: Burundi's civil war (200,000)
1994: Rwanda's civil war (900,000)
1995-: Pakistani Sunnis vs Shiites (1,300)
1995-: Maoist rebellion in Nepal (12,000)
1998-: Congo Kinshasa/Zaire's war - Rwanda and Uganda vs Zimbabwe, Angola and Namibia (3.8 million)
1998-2000: Ethiopia-Eritrea war (75,000)
1999: Kosovo's liberation war - NATO vs Serbia (2,000)
2001-: Afghanistan's liberation war - USA & UK vs Taliban (40,000)
2001-: Nigeria vs Boko Haram (20,000)
2002-: Cote d'Ivoire's civil war (1,000)
2003-11: Second Iraq-USA war - USA, UK and Australia vs Saddam Hussein's regime and Shiite squads and Sunni extremists (160,000)
2003-09: Sudan vs JEM/Darfur (300,000)
2004-: Sudan vs SPLM & Eritrea (?)
2004-15: Yemen vs Houthis (?)
2004-: Thailand vs Muslim separatists (6,500)
2007-: Pakistan vs Pakistani Taliban (38,000)
2011-18: Iraq's civil war after the withdrawal of the USA (150,000)
2012-: Syria's civil war (320,000)
2013-15: South Sudan vs rebels (10,000)
2014-16: Ukraine's civil war (9,500)
2015-: Saudi Arabia vs Yemen (10,000)
2018: Myanmar army vs Rohingyas (10,000)​

Pleasant dreams if you think ignoring tragedy caused by hate and prejudice is a good idea, especially when American citizens become casualties just for taking a vacation into lands where its natives have an axe to grind with our nation in general.

How many of those did America stop?
So we might as well come home then


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[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

That’s the best thing that can happen, we have no business being the world’s police man. We cannot afford it, we are not making life better for anybody, the Rules of engagement have destroyed the effectiveness of our military, We cannot keep on giving money to deadbeats worldwide...

We have a Commerce Clause; we should get Capital with them.

I don't know how the commerce clause is relevant to this topic, but I think you are saying that other nations should pay the U.S. to be the world police.

I agree.

Pay tribute, bitches!!!!

.

 

[harmonica]

That’s the best thing that can happen, we have no business being the world’s police man. We cannot afford it, we are not making life better for anybody, the Rules of engagement have destroyed the effectiveness of our military, We cannot keep on giving money to deadbeats worldwide...

Bad idea. Here is why.

Whatever engagements we will be getting into in the future will be coalitions; it makes sense to train with the troops from other nations, it makes sense to share technology, intel, nomenclature, etc.... It makes sense to get the troops used to the climates, the language barriers, the problems... One of the problems our female commanders had in the Iraq coalition was commanders from other nations taking orders from them based solely on gender.

Good idea too; here is why.

While coalitions with NATO and South Korea will pay dividends. I seriously doubt that we will be working with troops from Somolia, Colombia (many of whom are on the take from the local drug lords) etc. Where it is smart; bring them home. You're right about that.

so, you didn't address the HUGE problem that we can't afford it......?
I was in the USMC and we trained with many nations
we were deployed on ships though
yes we should bring many home--this would be an exponential win:
troops would spend their $$$ in the US, not waste it in foreign nations
the US would spend beaucoup $$$ in the US, not waste it in foreign nations
etc

 

[harmonica]

That’s the best thing that can happen, we have no business being the world’s police man. We cannot afford it, we are not making life better for anybody, the Rules of engagement have destroyed the effectiveness of our military, We cannot keep on giving money to deadbeats worldwide...

It is highly laudable to wish for peace on earth, Rustic. I pray for it every night at vespers time. Unfortunately, when the world goes to sleep in the face of a brutal dictatorship that plans genocide and retributive death against races, clans, and dissenters to the dictator abusing his power, millions of people can and do die.

Here's a list for starters:

1886-1908: Belgium-Congo Free State (8 million)
1898: USA-Spain & Philippines (220,000)
1899-02: British-Boer war (100,000)
1899-03: Colombian civil war (120,000)
1899-02: Philippines vs USA (20,000)
1900-01: Boxer rebels against Russia, Britain, France, Japan, USA against rebels (35,000)
1901-32: Saudis vs Arabian kingdoms (?)
1903: Ottomans vs Macedonian rebels (20,000)
1904: Germany vs Namibia (65,000)
1904-05: Japan vs Russia (150,000)
1910-20: Mexican revolution (250,000)
1911: Chinese Revolution (2.4 million)
1911-12: Italian-Ottoman war (20,000)
1912-13: Balkan wars (150,000)
1915-23: Ottoman genocides (1.2 million Armenians, 500,000 Assyrians, 350,000 Greek Pontians and 480,000 Anatolian Greeks)
1914-18: World War I (20 million)
1916: Kyrgyz revolt against Russia (120,000)
1917-21: Soviet revolution (5 million)
1917-19: Greece vs Turkey (45,000)
1918-20: Russian civil war (1 million)
1919-21: Poland vs Soviet Union (27,000)
1928-37: Chinese civil war (2 million)
1931: Japanese Manchurian War (1.1 million)
1932-33: Soviet Union vs Ukraine (10 million)
1932: "La Matanza" in El Salvador (30,000)
1932-35: "Guerra del Chaco" between Bolivia and Paraguay (117.500)
1934: Mao's Long March (170,000)
1936: Italy's invasion of Ethiopia (200,000)
1936-37: Stalin's purges (7-13 million)
1936-39: Spanish civil war (600,000)
1937-45: Japanese invasion of China (500,000)
1939-45: World War II (55 million) including holocaust and Chinese revolution
1946-49: Chinese civil war (1.2 million)
1946-49: Greek civil war (50,000)
1946-54: France-Vietnam war (600,000)
1947: Partition of India and Pakistan (1 million)
1947: Taiwan's uprising against the Kuomintang (30,000)
1948-1958: Colombian civil war (250,000)
1948-1973: Arab-Israeli wars (70,000)
1949-: Indian Muslims vs Hindus (20,000)
1949-50: Mainland China vs Tibet (1,200,000)
1950-53: Korean war (3 million)
1952-59: Kenya's Mau Mau insurrection (20,000)
1954-62: French-Algerian war (368,000)
1958-61: Mao's "Great Leap Forward" (38 million?)
1960-90: South Africa vs Africa National Congress (?)
1960-96: Guatemala's civil war (200,000)
1961-98: Indonesia vs West Papua/Irian (100,000)
1961-2003: Kurds vs Iraq (180,000)
1962-75: Mozambique Frelimo vs Portugal (10,000)
1962-75: Angolan FNLA & MPLA vs Portugal (50,000)
1964-73: USA-Vietnam war (3 million)
1965: second India-Pakistan war over Kashmir
1965-66: Indonesian civil war (250,000)
1966-69: Mao's "Cultural Revolution" (11 million?)
1966-2016: Colombia's civil war (200,000)
1967-70: Nigeria-Biafra civil war (800,000)
1968-80: Rhodesia's civil war (?)
1969-: Philippines vs the communist Bagong Hukbong Bayan/ New People's Army (40,000)
1969-79: Idi Amin, Uganda (300,000)
1969-02: IRA - Norther Ireland's civil war (3,000)
1969-79: Francisco Macias Nguema, Equatorial Guinea (50,000)
1971: Pakistan-Bangladesh civil war (500,000)
1972-2014: Philippines vs Muslim separatists (Moro Islamic Liberation Front, etc) (150,000)
1972: Burundi's civil war (300,000)
1972-79: Rhodesia/Zimbabwe's civil war (30,000)
1974-91: Ethiopian civil war (1,000,000)
1975-78: Menghitsu, Ethiopia (1.5 million)
1975-79: Khmer Rouge, Cambodia (1.7 million)
1975-89: Boat people, Vietnam (250,000)
1975-87: civil war in Lebanon (130,000)
1975-87: Laos' civil war (184,000)
1975-2002: Angolan civil war (500,000)
1976-83: Argentina's military regime (20,000)
1976-93: Mozambique's civil war (900,000)
1976-98: Indonesia-East Timor civil war (600,000)
1976-2005: Indonesia-Aceh (GAM) civil war (12,000)
1977-92: El Salvador's civil war (75,000)
1979: Vietnam-China war (30,000)
1979-88: the Soviet Union invades Afghanistan (1.3 million)
1980-88: Iraq-Iran war (435,000)
1980-92: Sendero Luminoso - Peru's civil war (69,000)
1984-: Kurds vs Turkey (35,000)
1981-90: Nicaragua vs Contras (60,000)
1982-90: Hissene Habre, Chad (40,000)
1983-2009: Sri Lanka's civil war (70,000)
1983-2002: Sudanese civil war (2 million)
1986-: Indian Kashmir's civil war (60,000)
1987-: Palestinian Intifada (4,500)
1988-2001: Afghanistan civil war (400,000)
1988-2004: Somalia's civil war (550,000)
1989-2003: Liberian civil war (220,000)
1989-: Uganda vs Lord's Resistance Army (30,000)
1991: Gulf War - large coalition against Iraq to liberate Kuwait (85,000)
1991-97: Congo Kinshasa's civil war (800,000)
1991-2000: Sierra Leone's civil war (200,000)
1991-2009: Russia-Chechnya civil war (200,000)
1991-94: Armenia-Azerbaijan war (35,000)
1992-96: Tajikstan's civil war war (50,000)
1992-96: Yugoslavian wars (260,000)
1992-99: Algerian civil war (150,000)
1993-97: Congo Brazzaville's civil war (100,000)
1993-2005: Burundi's civil war (200,000)
1994: Rwanda's civil war (900,000)
1995-: Pakistani Sunnis vs Shiites (1,300)
1995-: Maoist rebellion in Nepal (12,000)
1998-: Congo Kinshasa/Zaire's war - Rwanda and Uganda vs Zimbabwe, Angola and Namibia (3.8 million)
1998-2000: Ethiopia-Eritrea war (75,000)
1999: Kosovo's liberation war - NATO vs Serbia (2,000)
2001-: Afghanistan's liberation war - USA & UK vs Taliban (40,000)
2001-: Nigeria vs Boko Haram (20,000)
2002-: Cote d'Ivoire's civil war (1,000)
2003-11: Second Iraq-USA war - USA, UK and Australia vs Saddam Hussein's regime and Shiite squads and Sunni extremists (160,000)
2003-09: Sudan vs JEM/Darfur (300,000)
2004-: Sudan vs SPLM & Eritrea (?)
2004-15: Yemen vs Houthis (?)
2004-: Thailand vs Muslim separatists (6,500)
2007-: Pakistan vs Pakistani Taliban (38,000)
2011-18: Iraq's civil war after the withdrawal of the USA (150,000)
2012-: Syria's civil war (320,000)
2013-15: South Sudan vs rebels (10,000)
2014-16: Ukraine's civil war (9,500)
2015-: Saudi Arabia vs Yemen (10,000)
2018: Myanmar army vs Rohingyas (10,000)​

Pleasant dreams if you think ignoring tragedy caused by hate and prejudice is a good idea, especially when American citizens become casualties just for taking a vacation into lands where its natives have an axe to grind with our nation in general.

your evidence/list SUPPORTS Rustic's hypothesis !!!!!!!!!
do you not get it???

the world always has had and always will have these ''problems'' that you mention
there is NOTHING the US can do to stop it!!!!

 

[Pilot1]

I would be OK with a gradual draw down of troops worldwide in selected regions, like the Middle East, and Europe. Maybe not a total withdrawal, but a significant reduction.

Let Japan, and Europe defend themselves for a change, and have to PAY FOR IT. Meanwhile they screw us over with bad trade policy, and high tariffs to keep our products OUT OF THEIR COUNTRIES.

 

[candycorn]

That’s the best thing that can happen, we have no business being the world’s police man. We cannot afford it, we are not making life better for anybody, the Rules of engagement have destroyed the effectiveness of our military, We cannot keep on giving money to deadbeats worldwide...

Bad idea. Here is why.

Whatever engagements we will be getting into in the future will be coalitions; it makes sense to train with the troops from other nations, it makes sense to share technology, intel, nomenclature, etc.... It makes sense to get the troops used to the climates, the language barriers, the problems... One of the problems our female commanders had in the Iraq coalition was commanders from other nations taking orders from them based solely on gender.

Good idea too; here is why.

While coalitions with NATO and South Korea will pay dividends. I seriously doubt that we will be working with troops from Somolia, Colombia (many of whom are on the take from the local drug lords) etc. Where it is smart; bring them home. You're right about that.

so, you didn't address the HUGE problem that we can't afford it......?
I was in the USMC and we trained with many nations
we were deployed on ships though
yes we should bring many home--this would be an exponential win:
troops would spend their $$$ in the US, not waste it in foreign nations
the US would spend beaucoup $$$ in the US, not waste it in foreign nations
etc

I will agree we spend way too much on defense relative to the rest of the world.
I will disagree that the winning position is less integration with other nation’s troops as nearly all of the major entanglements since 1990 or so have been coalitions.

 

[Aldo Raine]

That’s the best thing that can happen, we have no business being the world’s police man. We cannot afford it, we are not making life better for anybody, the Rules of engagement have destroyed the effectiveness of our military, We cannot keep on giving money to deadbeats worldwide...

We have a Commerce Clause; we should get Capital with them.

I don't know how the commerce clause is relevant to this topic, but I think you are saying that other nations should pay the U.S. to be the world police.

I agree.

Pay tribute, bitches!!!!

.

Or not do it unless completely necessary.

 

[sartre play]

How did it happen that Republicans on this board went from full support of the last war + nuke North Korea recently, and now have become anti war & want us out of every place in the world except our southern border? what does that mean ? your mostly joining the anti war mostly left crowd, and now doubt our military reasoning?

 

[Pilot1]

How did it happen that Republicans on this board went from full support of the last war + nuke North Korea recently, and now have become anti war & want us out of every place in the world except our southern border? what does that mean ? your mostly joining the anti war mostly left crowd, and now doubt our military reasoning?

I don't know anyone that wanted nuclear war with NK. Do you know what that would mean to the world??? Also, we've been in these hell holes how long? Yes, there was a time we needed to respond to terrorism, 9/11 was over 17 years ago. Enough is enough. There is time to be a hawk, and there is time to say let's end perpetual wars.