Six people found dead in Milwaukee home were killed 'execution style'

[Meathead]

Really?

These communities experiencing high rates of violence are mostly poor and urban. What power do these people have?

Nobody cares when thugs kill thugs. Not even those with hemorrhaging hearts.

 

[Coyote]

Doesn’t sound like blacks as a group support crime and violence.

From police to parole, black and white Americans differ widely in their views of criminal justice system

Attitudes vary considerably by race on issues including crime, policing, the death penalty, parole decisions and voting rights.

www.pewresearch.org

Black adults in the U.S. consistently express more concern than white adults about crime.

In last year’s preelection survey, three-quarters of blacks – compared with fewer than half of whites (46%) – said violent crime is a very big problem in the country today. And while 82% of blacks said gun violence is a very big problem in the U.S., just 47% of whites said the same.

Blacks are also more likely than whites to see crime as a serious problem locally. In an early 2018 survey, black adults were roughly twice as likely as whites to say crime is a major problem in their local community (38% vs. 17%).

That’s consistent with a survey conducted in early 2017, when blacks were about twice as likely as whites to say their local community is not too or not at all safe from crime (34% vs. 15%). Black adults were also more likely than whites to say they worry a lot about having their home broken into (28% vs. 13%) or being the victim of a violent crime (20% vs. 8%). However, similar shares in both groups (22% of blacks and 18% of whites) said they actually had been the victim of a violent crime.

 

[Meathead]

Doesn’t sound like blacks as a group support crime and violence.

From police to parole, black and white Americans differ widely in their views of criminal justice system

Attitudes vary considerably by race on issues including crime, policing, the death penalty, parole decisions and voting rights.

www.pewresearch.org

Black adults in the U.S. consistently express more concern than white adults about crime.

In last year’s preelection survey, three-quarters of blacks – compared with fewer than half of whites (46%) – said violent crime is a very big problem in the country today. And while 82% of blacks said gun violence is a very big problem in the U.S., just 47% of whites said the same.

Blacks are also more likely than whites to see crime as a serious problem locally. In an early 2018 survey, black adults were roughly twice as likely as whites to say crime is a major problem in their local community (38% vs. 17%).

That’s consistent with a survey conducted in early 2017, when blacks were about twice as likely as whites to say their local community is not too or not at all safe from crime (34% vs. 15%). Black adults were also more likely than whites to say they worry a lot about having their home broken into (28% vs. 13%) or being the victim of a violent crime (20% vs. 8%). However, similar shares in both groups (22% of blacks and 18% of whites) said they actually had been the victim of a violent crime.

You find this surprising? If you could poll dogs you would find more concern about fleas than you would if you polled people.

 

[theHawk]

Blacks killing blacks…”…it’s their culture”
Whites killing whites “…bad apples…”

Well yea….when negroes killing each other is a daily occurrence.

Or would you rather call it Democrat culture?

 

[j-mac]

Doesn’t sound like blacks as a group support crime and violence.

From police to parole, black and white Americans differ widely in their views of criminal justice system

Attitudes vary considerably by race on issues including crime, policing, the death penalty, parole decisions and voting rights.

www.pewresearch.org

Black adults in the U.S. consistently express more concern than white adults about crime.

In last year’s preelection survey, three-quarters of blacks – compared with fewer than half of whites (46%) – said violent crime is a very big problem in the country today. And while 82% of blacks said gun violence is a very big problem in the U.S., just 47% of whites said the same.

Blacks are also more likely than whites to see crime as a serious problem locally. In an early 2018 survey, black adults were roughly twice as likely as whites to say crime is a major problem in their local community (38% vs. 17%).

That’s consistent with a survey conducted in early 2017, when blacks were about twice as likely as whites to say their local community is not too or not at all safe from crime (34% vs. 15%). Black adults were also more likely than whites to say they worry a lot about having their home broken into (28% vs. 13%) or being the victim of a violent crime (20% vs. 8%). However, similar shares in both groups (22% of blacks and 18% of whites) said they actually had been the victim of a violent crime.

One thing, which is the elephant in the room, that no one seems to want to bring up in this discussion...And that is that these urban areas are overwhelmingly run by Democrat political machines, who have had a stranglehold on power for the better part of the past 75 years or better.

When you talk to Black and minority people living in these communities, they do not want the level of crime, but it is hard to get police in there with the force they need to clean it up...Yet, every election cycle they get the same lip service from Democrats, then when the election is over, nothing is done...

They can't get the businesses in their communities because today what business would go in there when the order of the day is to allow these businesses to be robbed daily with no repercussions?

How long will these communities continue to vote against their own interests by continuing to vote in progressive Democrats that only use them for their votes....?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Thanks for a thoughtful post Correl, I appreciate it.

I disagree about the term “systemic” applied to it however.

Does violent “gangster culture” permeate every level of black society? Or is it more to do with socio-economic status? Historically violent gangs have always been a problem…..at different times it was the Irish, Jews, Italians usually associated with the poverty of new waves of immigrants. I don’t hear mothers joyfully proclaiming their kid has joined a gang, instead I hear fear and concern that “the streets” will take their kids.


I do too, but it means a willingness to listen to each other, and a willingness to accept disagreement and different points of view. That seems hard to do here.




The problem is you are looking at very complex problems that also happen to contain a lot of sacred cows. There are so many issues at the heart of this: poverty (in itself complex as it also involves living in unsafe areas, lack of access to many things, poor schools, the economic opportunities crime and drugs offers and the high visibility of “success”, the historic effect of racism in creating these places….etc).

Historically urban ghettos have always existed and crime within them. Typically one group eventually moves up and out and another moves in. Immigration history is full of that. I don’t think you can separate poverty and crime and there will individuals of all races and ethnicities who prefer the easy big cash rewards that drugs can bring (for example).

This is all strictly just my opinion…but real change has to come from the community level first and that has be supported higher up by those who have the power to legislate and distribute resources. We are too vested in top down, one size fits all solutions and they don’t work very well. The people in those communities know better than than ivory tower do gooders and arrogant “poverty is a moral failing” politicians.

Maybe we also need to look at what happened to once vibrant communities that are now failing. Maybe the political powers put in a super highway that divided it, effectively destroying connections and living conditions. Those who could, left, those who couldn’t stayed and those who moved in were not going to be home owners or grocers so instead of a grocery, pharmacy, restaurants or hardware stores you had before, but pawn shops, bail shops and hot spots. It doesn’t have to be a highway, it could easily be a landfill, aluminum plant, etc. And, race does seem to be a factor in that many of those things are put in traditionally minority neighborhoods.

So how should we fix? IMO we can’t totally but we can always improve it by empowing communities, increasing home ownership, expanding community based policing. It just seems to me if you only look at it as a large systemic problem solutions seem impossible. But if go at it community by community you can solve a tiny bit of it and improve lives in the process, but you have to listen to the people who are actually there instead of speaking to them. And listening may lead to some uncomfortable truths we need to acknowledge on all sides in order to move on.

Does violent “gangster culture” permeate every level of black society?

You tell me. Maybe it goes back to the sanctity of life argument again, where if there is no respect for life(even before birth) then there is no respect for other people's lives. Which is why we are seeing murder in the inner cities, that kill more blacks than the Kung Flu ever did.

 

[gipper]

That per capita garbage was created to try and put black folks in a negative light. If 70% of violent crime is committed by whites that means most of the violent crime is committed by whites.

Blacks are a small minority, yet they commit 50% of crime. Do understand what this means?

Blacks do a very good job of putting THEMSELVES in a bad light.

 

[Meathead]

Blacks are a small minority, yet they commit 50% of crime. Do understand what this means?

Blacks do a very good job of putting THEMSELVES in a bad light.

Math confuses "superbadbruthas", and besides, it's racist.

 

[gipper]

Whites need to wake up! Black on white crime is exploding.

Hundreds gather at vigil for restaurant manager in Little Italy, frustrated over crime​

Hundreds gather at vigil for restaurant manager in Little Italy, frustrated over crime

 

[Mac-7]

Thats six to twenty four less votes for the dems in november

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Blacks killing blacks…”…it’s their culture”
Whites killing whites “…bad apples…”

Sounds like you’ve finally had a successful math lesson.

 

[Coyote]

Whites need to wake up! Black on white crime is exploding.

Hundreds gather at vigil for restaurant manager in Little Italy, frustrated over crime​

Hundreds gather at vigil for restaurant manager in Little Italy, frustrated over crime
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How is that “exploding”?

 

[Coyote]

One thing, which is the elephant in the room, that no one seems to want to bring up in this discussion...And that is that these urban areas are overwhelmingly run by Democrat political machines, who have had a stranglehold on power for the better part of the past 75 years or better.

When you talk to Black and minority people living in these communities, they do not want the level of crime, but it is hard to get police in there with the force they need to clean it up...Yet, every election cycle they get the same lip service from Democrats, then when the election is over, nothing is done...

They can't get the businesses in their communities because today what business would go in there when the order of the day is to allow these businesses to be robbed daily with no repercussions?

How long will these communities continue to vote against their own interests by continuing to vote in progressive Democrats that only use them for their votes....?

Do you what causes crime rates is as simple as what political party is in office? It is raining and there are people out there with umbrellas, therefore umbrellas must be leader to increased rain.

 

[petro]

Blacks killing blacks…”…it’s their culture”
Whites killing whites “…bad apples…”

I am all for death row and rapid execution for whites or blacks who commit murder.
Can you say the same?

 

[B. Kidd]

Somebody ordered these dirt naps.
And I don't believe it was a white dude.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Blacks are a small minority, yet they commit 50% of crime. Do understand what this means?

That's a lie that you just keep repeating.

Blacks do a very good job of putting THEMSELVES in a bad light.

No white racist like you do that.

 

[gipper]

That's a lie that you just keep repeating.

No white racist like you do that.

I’m not a racist. I’m a realist. You are a racist.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

I’m not a racist. I’m a realist. You are a racist.

No, you are definitely a real racist.

 

[j-mac]

Do you what causes crime rates is as simple as what political party is in office? It is raining and there are people out there with umbrellas, therefore umbrellas must be leader to increased rain.

Oh come on now....Are you really trying to say that the Democrat leadership in these cities hasn't failed their constituents? I think it's clear.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Oh come on now....Are you really trying to say that the Democrat leadership in these cities hasn't failed their constituents? I think it's clear.

What has the Republican Governors done in these states?