Sleepy Ben Carson’s proposal to triple rents for poor households would hurt 1 million children

[RagnarCarlsen]

They want the working poor to pay taxes so the wealthy do not need too.

You mean if they had some skin in the game they would vote Republican.

Fun fact: The poor spend a higher percentage of their income on taxes than do the rich.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Mere existence does not entitle one to a free ride.

It does entitle one to human dignity, which includes not dying in the street without food or medical care.

Does it? Explain how this is a matter of law.

I'm talking about morality and ethics, not law.

That is a separate issue and a matter of charity, not gunpoint socialism.

Who said anything about gunpoint?

Your sophistry is weak.

Dont pay taxes and see what happens.

 

[RagnarCarlsen]

Mere existence does not entitle one to a free ride.

It does entitle one to human dignity, which includes not dying in the street without food or medical care.

Does it? Explain how this is a matter of law.

I'm talking about morality and ethics, not law.

So it's moral and ethical for my government to take my money at the end of a gun and give to able bodied mooches?

Yes.

 

[RagnarCarlsen]

It does entitle one to human dignity, which includes not dying in the street without food or medical care.

Does it? Explain how this is a matter of law.

I'm talking about morality and ethics, not law.

That is a separate issue and a matter of charity, not gunpoint socialism.

Who said anything about gunpoint?

Your sophistry is weak.

Dont pay taxes and see what happens.

I don't pay taxes to illegitimate governments.

 

[depotoo]

Obviously you, basque, Penelope, et al nor the wp, have taken the time to actually read it, because it makes all sorts of exceptions, which would keep kids from being hurt by this. And charging $150 for certain family dwellings for a month, for those able, is more than reasonable.

https://www.hud.gov/sites/dfiles/Main/documents/RentReformLegislativeText.pdf

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

They want the working poor to pay taxes so the wealthy do not need too.

You mean if they had some skin in the game they would vote Republican.

Fun fact: The poor spend a higher percentage of their income on taxes than do the rich.

Yeah....it wasnt their money to begin with so how exactly do they pay more in taxes?

 

[edward37]

Mere existence does not entitle one to a free ride.

It does entitle one to human dignity, which includes not dying in the street without food or medical care.

Does it? Explain how this is a matter of law.

I'm talking about morality and ethics, not law.

So it's moral and ethical for my government to take my money at the end of a gun and give to able bodied mooches?

HELL NO I'm sick and tired of paying for those fn mooches in red states ..ENOUGH

 

[RagnarCarlsen]

They want the working poor to pay taxes so the wealthy do not need too.

You mean if they had some skin in the game they would vote Republican.

Fun fact: The poor spend a higher percentage of their income on taxes than do the rich.

Yeah....it wasnt their money to begin with so how exactly do they pay more in taxes?

Poor people pay sales taxes and property taxes and all the fees associated with government interactions like drivers' licenses, car registration, etc. That money amounts to a significant percentage of the take home pay of someone making $15 hr. It's a drop in the bucket for people making 200k yr. Poor people pay a higher PERCENTAGE of their income than do the rich.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

They want the working poor to pay taxes so the wealthy do not need too.

You mean if they had some skin in the game they would vote Republican.

Fun fact: The poor spend a higher percentage of their income on taxes than do the rich.

Yeah....it wasnt their money to begin with so how exactly do they pay more in taxes?

Poor people pay sales taxes and property taxes and all the fees associated with government interactions like drivers' licenses, car registration, etc. That money amounts to a significant percentage of the take home pay of someone making $15 hr. It's a drop in the bucket for people making 200k yr. Poor people pay a higher PERCENTAGE of their income than do the rich.

No they don't. LOL

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Mere existence does not entitle one to a free ride.

It does entitle one to human dignity, which includes not dying in the street without food or medical care.

Does it? Explain how this is a matter of law.

I'm talking about morality and ethics, not law.

So it's moral and ethical for my government to take my money at the end of a gun and give to able bodied mooches?

Yes.

No...
I dont have a problem helping those that deserve it.
If you are able bodied you should get limited help and should be required to educate yourself through.

 

[RagnarCarlsen]

They want the working poor to pay taxes so the wealthy do not need too.

You mean if they had some skin in the game they would vote Republican.

Fun fact: The poor spend a higher percentage of their income on taxes than do the rich.

Yeah....it wasnt their money to begin with so how exactly do they pay more in taxes?

Poor people pay sales taxes and property taxes and all the fees associated with government interactions like drivers' licenses, car registration, etc. That money amounts to a significant percentage of the take home pay of someone making $15 hr. It's a drop in the bucket for people making 200k yr. Poor people pay a higher PERCENTAGE of their income than do the rich.

No they don't. LOL

Yes, we do.

 

[edward37]

They want the working poor to pay taxes so the wealthy do not need too.

You mean if they had some skin in the game they would vote Republican.

Fun fact: The poor spend a higher percentage of their income on taxes than do the rich.

Yeah....it wasnt their money to begin with so how exactly do they pay more in taxes?

Poor people pay sales taxes and property taxes and all the fees associated with government interactions like drivers' licenses, car registration, etc. That money amounts to a significant percentage of the take home pay of someone making $15 hr. It's a drop in the bucket for people making 200k yr. Poor people pay a higher PERCENTAGE of their income than do the rich.

Republicans don't care,,, they want to suck the blood out of the poor

 

[RagnarCarlsen]

It does entitle one to human dignity, which includes not dying in the street without food or medical care.

Does it? Explain how this is a matter of law.

I'm talking about morality and ethics, not law.

So it's moral and ethical for my government to take my money at the end of a gun and give to able bodied mooches?

Yes.

No...
I dont have a problem helping those that deserve it.
If you are able bodied you should get limited help and should be required to educate yourself through.

Do you think the welfare office is a bonanza where they give away money to everyone who asks for it?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

You mean if they had some skin in the game they would vote Republican.

Fun fact: The poor spend a higher percentage of their income on taxes than do the rich.

Yeah....it wasnt their money to begin with so how exactly do they pay more in taxes?

Poor people pay sales taxes and property taxes and all the fees associated with government interactions like drivers' licenses, car registration, etc. That money amounts to a significant percentage of the take home pay of someone making $15 hr. It's a drop in the bucket for people making 200k yr. Poor people pay a higher PERCENTAGE of their income than do the rich.

No they don't. LOL

Yes, we do.

I suggest you look at a current tax table...no you don't. Probably about 10% compared to about 30%

 

[EGR one]

While we give huge tax cuts for corps to bring their jobs to the states, and even with their giant tax cut, who is benefitting, not the gas companies so they say, and not subway who is closing more stores, and Ford is also cutting.

The corporate tax cut is just a fig leaf for subsidizing the rich. Everyone with a brain knew it would result in stock buybacks. Since less than 10% of the population owns over 90% of stock equity, the vast majority (probably around 98%) of the "tax cut" is going into the hands of people who were already hoarding wealth; an activity with negative impacts on the economy as a whole.

The GOP economic platform is a faith based initiative based on theories even their proponents ( Austrian School - Wikipedia ) refuse to prove.

The top 1% of taxpayers (AGIs of $480,930 and above) pay about 39% of all federal taxes. Approximately a million people in that category. The top 10% of taxpayers (AGIs of $138,031 and above) pay about 70.6% of all federal taxes. Approximately 1.7 million Americans, less than 1% of our population pay 70,6% of federal income taxes. You should be damned glad that they are around to pick up the federal, state and local tabs.

Rich people do not hoard money unless they fear that the risk of investment is greater than the potential rewards. Consequently, when they sell stock in one or more corporations, they buy other stocks, or invest that money somewhere else in the economy.

The GOP economic policy is simply common sense economics. A rising tide lifts all boats. A healthy, growing economy provides more opportunity for people at all levels.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

They want the working poor to pay taxes so the wealthy do not need too.

You mean if they had some skin in the game they would vote Republican.

Fun fact: The poor spend a higher percentage of their income on taxes than do the rich.

Yeah....it wasnt their money to begin with so how exactly do they pay more in taxes?

Poor people pay sales taxes and property taxes and all the fees associated with government interactions like drivers' licenses, car registration, etc. That money amounts to a significant percentage of the take home pay of someone making $15 hr. It's a drop in the bucket for people making 200k yr. Poor people pay a higher PERCENTAGE of their income than do the rich.

If they're poor how do they own their own home or car?

 

[edward37]

They want the working poor to pay taxes so the wealthy do not need too.

You mean if they had some skin in the game they would vote Republican.

Fun fact: The poor spend a higher percentage of their income on taxes than do the rich.

Yeah....it wasnt their money to begin with so how exactly do they pay more in taxes?

Poor people pay sales taxes and property taxes and all the fees associated with government interactions like drivers' licenses, car registration, etc. That money amounts to a significant percentage of the take home pay of someone making $15 hr. It's a drop in the bucket for people making 200k yr. Poor people pay a higher PERCENTAGE of their income than do the rich.

No they don't. LOL

And you would know

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

They want the working poor to pay taxes so the wealthy do not need too.

You mean if they had some skin in the game they would vote Republican.

Fun fact: The poor spend a higher percentage of their income on taxes than do the rich.

Yeah....it wasnt their money to begin with so how exactly do they pay more in taxes?

Poor people pay sales taxes and property taxes and all the fees associated with government interactions like drivers' licenses, car registration, etc. That money amounts to a significant percentage of the take home pay of someone making $15 hr. It's a drop in the bucket for people making 200k yr. Poor people pay a higher PERCENTAGE of their income than do the rich.

Republicans don't care,,, they want to suck the blood out of the poor

Nope,we want them to have some skin in the game.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

You mean if they had some skin in the game they would vote Republican.

Fun fact: The poor spend a higher percentage of their income on taxes than do the rich.

Yeah....it wasnt their money to begin with so how exactly do they pay more in taxes?

Poor people pay sales taxes and property taxes and all the fees associated with government interactions like drivers' licenses, car registration, etc. That money amounts to a significant percentage of the take home pay of someone making $15 hr. It's a drop in the bucket for people making 200k yr. Poor people pay a higher PERCENTAGE of their income than do the rich.

No they don't. LOL

And you would know

Yeah..we pay into a much higher bracket than someone making 15 an hour. Now unless you can stay on topic cease annoying me

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Does it? Explain how this is a matter of law.

I'm talking about morality and ethics, not law.

So it's moral and ethical for my government to take my money at the end of a gun and give to able bodied mooches?

Yes.

No...
I dont have a problem helping those that deserve it.
If you are able bodied you should get limited help and should be required to educate yourself through.

Do you think the welfare office is a bonanza where they give away money to everyone who asks for it?

But why are the PERCENTAGES so high in the black communities?