Smoking banned in private homes.

[Procrustes Stretched]

Anguille, and the rest of you pink lunger bitches, should choose a bar to drink at other than Smokey's Bastion of Tobacco & Beer. No one forces you to breathe air in a building you personally CHOOSE to avoid entering.

Yes they do force you to breath the air, unless you choose to hold your breath that is. Maybe you meant 'nobody forced you to enter the building' period?

HEALTH ISSUE? About a location whose very commerce is SELLING ALCOHOL TO TANGIBLE, POTENTIAL DRUNK DRIVERS? Who actually KILL more people than bullshit PROJECTED statistics?

lol? how odd.

btw, alcohol has health benefits. smoking? {get IT yet?}

the potential is there for all sorts of things. that is why bars have the right to refuse service and should. statistics don't kill and hiding behind an empty argument like that is more lol than you could ever imagine. You come across as a bigger fool than usual on this one.

THATS rich. Bray on about HEALTH Hazards when A) no one forces your bitch ass into a smokey bar, B) we have never had a cancer epidemic among bartenders and wait staff. EVER. and C) you pussy bitches will kill more REAL people this year while driving home than a smoker will EVER kill.

are you a twelve stepper? dry drunkard? the angry white guy part has been obvious from the start, but this is interesting. hmmmmmm,.. :think:

Hell, even non-smokers get lung cancer... Do sober people drive drunk and kill a family with a double vision burst of fire and steel on the highway? I mean, CLEARLY smelling like smoke is... uh.. as horrible as some kids face scraping off on the pavement after an engine block crushes his body while the drunk driver was limber enough to walk away uninjured!

hysteria on display by a supposed tough guy who suffers the delusion (among others) that he intimidates anonymous strangers on an internet message board?

non smokers get cancer of the lungs. what are the stats and why do they? genetic defects?

 

[Shogun]

Yes they do force you to breath the air, unless you choose to hold your breath that is. Maybe you meant 'nobody forced you to enter the building' period?

At what point have you EVER been FORCED to enter ANY bar? How can you breathe the fucking air if you don't ENTER the bar? Got your smart hat on today, don't you?



the potential is there for all sorts of things. that is why bars have the right to refuse service and should. statistics don't kill and hiding behind an empty argument like that is more lol than you could ever imagine. You come across as a bigger fool than usual on this one.


The fact remains that THOUSANDS will die this year due to a tangible correlation with allowing consumers to drink alcohol in public. Apparently, bars don't refuse service if we have even 1 drunk driving death. Yet, THIS is a risk you'll accept despite the fact that your road jelly victims never chose to engage you in the same way you MUST choose to enter a smokey bar.

And, don't cry on my shoulders if you don't understand the laughable nature of PROJECTED stats and ESTIMATED links to second hand smoke. Hell, I would challenge you to actually post and READ the shit you think supports your position but, lets face it, you are too goddamn stupid to string together 5 fucking words to make a sentence without dancing around this forum looking like an aging attention whore.


are you a twelve stepper? dry drunkard? the angry white guy part has been obvious from the start, but this is interesting. hmmmmmm,.. :think:


Did you have something to add or is this just another example of your forum whoring?



hysteria on display by a supposed tough guy who suffers the delusion (among others) that he intimidates anonymous strangers on an internet message board?

Again, don't cry on my shoulder because I make more solid points than you've had sexual encounters in your lifetime. Excuse me, I didn't mean to bring up the term "SOLID" in front of a man your age. I hear there is a little pill for your flaccid lil trouser mouse, bukko. Maybe you should put more effort into calling their 800 number than pretending you can keep up with me on this forum, eh dude?

SING IT!

viVAAAAAa VIAGRA!


non smokers get cancer of the lungs. what are the stats and why do they? genetic defects?


WHAT?!?!?! You mean there is something to blame OTHER THAN SMOKERS!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!


No WAI!

Who needs to consider personal choices to avoid smokey bars for genetically predisposed individuals when.. uh.. their HAIR might get stinky after being pulled into a fucking smokey bar by.. uh... JOE CAMEL! HE DID IT! MAKE HIM PAY!

 

[GHook93]

...its not her property! Its a government subsized retirement home. She needs to play by the rules. If she owned thd apartment that would be one thing (and I would be strongly on her side), but she is renting and having the government foot the bill! No sympathy for her!

This is just ridiculous.

BELMONT, California: During her 50 years of smoking, Edith Frederickson says she has lit up in restaurants and bars, airplanes and trains, and indoors and out, all as part of a two-pack-a-day habit that she regrets not a bit. But as of two weeks ago, Frederickson can no longer smoke in the one place she loves the most: her home.

Frederickson lives in an apartment in Belmont, California, a quiet city about 23 miles, or 37 kilometers, south of San Francisco that is now home to perhaps the nation's strictest anti-smoking law, effectively outlawing lighting up in all apartment buildings.

Smoking ban extends to apartments in California city - International Herald Tribune

 

[Againsheila]

...its not her property! Its a government subsized retirement home. She needs to play by the rules. If she owned thd apartment that would be one thing (and I would be strongly on her side), but she is renting and having the government foot the bill! No sympathy for her!

This is just ridiculous.

BELMONT, California: During her 50 years of smoking, Edith Frederickson says she has lit up in restaurants and bars, airplanes and trains, and indoors and out, all as part of a two-pack-a-day habit that she regrets not a bit. But as of two weeks ago, Frederickson can no longer smoke in the one place she loves the most: her home.

Frederickson lives in an apartment in Belmont, California, a quiet city about 23 miles, or 37 kilometers, south of San Francisco that is now home to perhaps the nation's strictest anti-smoking law, effectively outlawing lighting up in all apartment buildings.

Smoking ban extends to apartments in California city - International Herald Tribune

The problem is, Edith has been smoking for 50 years. She's addicted. You can't get over an addiction just because of a law. Maybe, if they don't want her to smoke, they should help her quit?

Also, if we are going to make it illegal to smoke in all these places, maybe it's time to just outlaw smoking?

 

[Dis]

When I first started smoking, yes, you could pretty much smoke almost anywhere.. I always thought it was wrong to smoke in department stores, and grocery stores, tho. It just seemed "gross", even at my young and tender age, so I never did.. I was actually glad to see that change, and had no problems whatsoever going outside a store, mall, threatre, etc. when I wanted to smoke.

However, there's a difference between stopping something like that, and stopping smoking in ALL places. If an establishment is non-smoking, smokers have the choice of going elsewhere. If an establishment allows smoking, non-smokers have the choice of going elsewhere. It's really not that hard of a concept to grasp, and those of you turning purple with rage over your perceived injustice should probably just STFU and find a new hobby, because odds are pretty good you have quite a few really offensive traits of your own.

 

[Dis]

...its not her property! Its a government subsized retirement home. She needs to play by the rules. If she owned thd apartment that would be one thing (and I would be strongly on her side), but she is renting and having the government foot the bill! No sympathy for her!

This is just ridiculous.

The problem is, Edith has been smoking for 50 years. She's addicted. You can't get over an addiction just because of a law. Maybe, if they don't want her to smoke, they should help her quit?

Also, if we are going to make it illegal to smoke in all these places, maybe it's time to just outlaw smoking?

You can get over an addiction if you have $127 a month for a prescription to help you quit, that your insurance company won't cover any portion of the cost of. I smoked for almost 30 years, and at that point, 30 years is no different than 50 years...

Amazingly enough, it really DOES get rid of those evil cravings, and you simply need to find something else to do with your hands...

 

[Anguille]

While waiting for bob to post his next question I would like to ask what goes through smoker's heads as they are puffing away in the presence of someone who seems to be made uncomfortable by your smoke or even if that person is trying to be polite and pretending not to mind the smoke, what goes through your minds as you puff away knowing you are very likely causing that person health problems as well as stinking up their clothes?

If you're that offended, leave. Nobody has your feet stapled to the floor. If you haven't left yet, it really doesn't bother you that much, and obviously, you're just looking for attention.

It's no surprise to discover that you, Dis, are one of the not so very considerate smokers.

 

[Shogun]

While waiting for bob to post his next question I would like to ask what goes through smoker's heads as they are puffing away in the presence of someone who seems to be made uncomfortable by your smoke or even if that person is trying to be polite and pretending not to mind the smoke, what goes through your minds as you puff away knowing you are very likely causing that person health problems as well as stinking up their clothes?

If you're that offended, leave. Nobody has your feet stapled to the floor. If you haven't left yet, it really doesn't bother you that much, and obviously, you're just looking for attention.

It's no surprise to discover that you, Dis, are one of the not so very considerate smokers.

a pink lunger crying about consideration? now THAT is rich.

 

[Dis]

While waiting for bob to post his next question I would like to ask what goes through smoker's heads as they are puffing away in the presence of someone who seems to be made uncomfortable by your smoke or even if that person is trying to be polite and pretending not to mind the smoke, what goes through your minds as you puff away knowing you are very likely causing that person health problems as well as stinking up their clothes?

If you're that offended, leave. Nobody has your feet stapled to the floor. If you haven't left yet, it really doesn't bother you that much, and obviously, you're just looking for attention.

It's no surprise to discover that you, Dis, are one of the not so very considerate smokers.

Once again, you display your stupidity and ignorance for the entire board to see.

A) I don't smoke anymore.

B) If you read another of my posts in this thread, you'll see I've always thought smoking in stores, theatres, etc. was wrong, and chose never to do it.

C) When I did smoke, I didn't smoke in my house, OR my car. Why? Out of consideration for others.

All of that ranting and raving on your part has robbed you of the ability to read, and understand simple English. You're too busy foaming at the mouth to actually process anything you see.

 

[Dr Grump]

I was the same as Dis really. Especially the last five or six years of smoking. Just didn't smoke in those places out of consideration for others. haven't smoked for almost 10 years now. Best thing I ever did was give up. It truly does suck...

 

[Anguille]

Best thing I ever did was give up. It truly does suck...

Same for me. Though it was years ago that I quit and I hardly remember what it was like to want a cigarette, quitting was one of the best things I ever did for myself and for those around me. It felt so good to get that monkey off my back.

 

[Ravi]

Best thing I ever did was give up. It truly does suck...

Same for me. Though it was years ago that I quit and I hardly remember what it was like to want a cigarette, quitting was one of the best things I ever did for myself and for those around me. It felt so good to get that monkey off my back.

How old were you when you smoked? Ten? I remember you complaining about working in a bar at eighteen and having asthma attacks from the second hand smoke.

 

[Dis]

Best thing I ever did was give up. It truly does suck...

Same for me. Though it was years ago that I quit and I hardly remember what it was like to want a cigarette, quitting was one of the best things I ever did for myself and for those around me. It felt so good to get that monkey off my back.

How old were you when you smoked? Ten? I remember you complaining about working in a bar at eighteen and having asthma attacks from the second hand smoke.

LMAO! And the truth comes out.

 

[tigerbob]

While waiting for bob to post his next question I would like to ask what goes through smoker's heads as they are puffing away in the presence of someone who seems to be made uncomfortable by your smoke or even if that person is trying to be polite and pretending not to mind the smoke, what goes through your minds as you puff away knowing you are very likely causing that person health problems as well as stinking up their clothes?

If you're that offended, leave. Nobody has your feet stapled to the floor. If you haven't left yet, it really doesn't bother you that much, and obviously, you're just looking for attention.

It's no surprise to discover that you, Dis, are one of the not so very considerate smokers.

Ah, back safely from the smoker stoning?

I have more 'stuff' ready. Let me know when is convenient.

 

[Anguille]

Best thing I ever did was give up. It truly does suck...

Same for me. Though it was years ago that I quit and I hardly remember what it was like to want a cigarette, quitting was one of the best things I ever did for myself and for those around me. It felt so good to get that monkey off my back.

How old were you when you smoked? Ten? I remember you complaining about working in a bar at eighteen and having asthma attacks from the second hand smoke.

Never worked in a bar when I was eighteen. You remember wrong. I started smoking when I was 18 and a waitress in a restaurant where everyone smoked all the time, except the cook. He was in misery. I quit when I was 23. I started tending bar about 2 years after I had quit smoking. The attacks only happened at work and began as a result of moving the smoking section next to the bar and also because my help was needed more often in a lounge where smokers could sit at the bar. They started to go away after the smoking policy got stricter in the restaurant and employees were no longer allowed to smoke on the property. Also, at this time I told the manager if he wanted my help in the lounge he would have to accept it that I would walk away from the bar if any lit up there. And I did just that. Eventually smoking was banned outright by law and I could breathe easy again.
8 hour plus shifts in a smokey bar sucked. Even my co-workers who smoked cheered when we went completely non smoking.

 

[Ravi]

Same for me. Though it was years ago that I quit and I hardly remember what it was like to want a cigarette, quitting was one of the best things I ever did for myself and for those around me. It felt so good to get that monkey off my back.

How old were you when you smoked? Ten? I remember you complaining about working in a bar at eighteen and having asthma attacks from the second hand smoke.

Never worked in a bar when I was eighteen. You remember wrong. I started smoking when I was 18 and a waitress in a restaurant where everyone smoked all the time, except the cook. He was in misery. I quit when I was 23. I started tending bar about 2 years after I had quit smoking. The attacks only happened at work and began as a result of moving the smoking section next to the bar and also because my help was needed more often in a lounge where smokers could sit at the bar. They started to go away after the smoking policy got stricter in the restaurant and employees were no longer allowed to smoke on the property. Also, at this time I told the manager if he wanted my help in the lounge he would have to accept it that I would walk away from the bar if any lit up there. And I did just that. Eventually smoking was banned outright by law and I could breathe easy again.
8 hour plus shifts in a smokey bar sucked. Even my co-workers who smoked cheered when we went completely non smoking.

Okie dokie.

So you didn't have asthma when you smoked and you had attacks when you worked at this place. How do you know it was from the smoke and not some other factor...like a cat, etc?

Truthfully, I would have fired you.

 

[Shogun]

business dried up, didnt it. Funny how businesses are generally in place in order to placate.. uh.. employees.

 

[Dis]

How old were you when you smoked? Ten? I remember you complaining about working in a bar at eighteen and having asthma attacks from the second hand smoke.

Never worked in a bar when I was eighteen. You remember wrong. I started smoking when I was 18 and a waitress in a restaurant where everyone smoked all the time, except the cook. He was in misery. I quit when I was 23. I started tending bar about 2 years after I had quit smoking. The attacks only happened at work and began as a result of moving the smoking section next to the bar and also because my help was needed more often in a lounge where smokers could sit at the bar. They started to go away after the smoking policy got stricter in the restaurant and employees were no longer allowed to smoke on the property. Also, at this time I told the manager if he wanted my help in the lounge he would have to accept it that I would walk away from the bar if any lit up there. And I did just that. Eventually smoking was banned outright by law and I could breathe easy again.
8 hour plus shifts in a smokey bar sucked. Even my co-workers who smoked cheered when we went completely non smoking.

Okie dokie.

So you didn't have asthma when you smoked and you had attacks when you worked at this place. How do you know it was from the smoke and not some other factor...like a cat, etc?

Truthfully, I would have fired you.

It would be nice if you would refrain from further speaking such that I can refrain from pos-repping you for actually making sense.

 

[Anguille]

Ah, back safely from the smoker stoning?

I have more 'stuff' ready. Let me know when is convenient.

Hi Bob. Yes, the stoning was great fun. I rescued the victim's cat and she is purring contentedly in my lap as we speak. Later on we rounded up a bunch of zombie smokers forming a tunnel of fire and brimstone outside the entrance to the subway, forced then to drag their own crosses and crucified them at the gates to the city. We lit fires fueled by cigarette butts collected by city street sweepers. and burned the most horrid ones at the stake. Sounds cruel but we did it in retaliation for the recent ritualistic live removal of a pink lung from a very unfortunate barmaid by the Aztec priest, Shogun.

I have to do some other stuff but shoot away with your twenty questions. I'll be around later. Why not post them all at once? Or is this some sort of debate game play where you try to maneuver me into saying something you that will sound like I actually think smokers should smoke anywhere they please?

 

[Anguille]

Okie dokie.

So you didn't have asthma when you smoked and you had attacks when you worked at this place. How do you know it was from the smoke and not some other factor...like a cat, etc?

Truthfully, I would have fired you.

My first asthma attack happened when I was a kid in the car with my dad who was smoking I only had one as a child. My father smoked but I was not around him as much as I was the smokers at my later jobs. I had another attack about a month before I quit smoking but the attacks continued. I was working at a new place but smoking was allowed there also. After taking medication for awhile and becoming a bartender in an environment that started out being not a very smoky one the attack stopped. They came back when, as I told you above, my exposure to smoke increased. No cats around in either workplace. The doctors in every instance told me it was the cigarette smoke that was making me ill. I suppose you're going to try to say it was something other than cigarette smoke that caused my asthma? Good luck. You're not a doctor or a respected medical organization either. I'll go with what my doctors told me, what I know from my own experience and what medical organizations all tell us. Secondhand smoke is a health hazard.

You wouldn't have been able to fire me, Ravi. The GM was behind me all the way. He even thanked me for letting the owner know I would call the health dept if he lit up another cigar in my presence. The GM then told him we were losing customers because he was defying the law and all fines levied against the establishment would have to be paid out of the owner's own wallet. In case you're wondering, the co owners agreed with the GM on this. No one smoked again on the property and business and tips went up.