Smoking Bans

[rightwinger]

I lived in Vegas for years, and gamblers are also smokers. You can not go into a casino and expect to come out no reeking of stale tobacco. In fact, the casino down here in Southern AZ is so thick with smoke that only a truly dedicated smoker could stand to be in there for more than a few minutes. For all practical purposes, smokers have made it impossible for non smokers to enjoy the casino. Well, the Indians own it, and smokers have the legal right to enjoy it, but I can easily pass up going to a casino. That is not true of grocery stores, and other public places.

If you ever spent much time in a casino, you will see people smoking, who are also pulling around wheeled oxygen units for their COPD. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.

Just about everywhere I go I see overweight people sucking on a 128 oz. diet coke and pounding down 15 twinkies, let's ban them from that grocery store you were speaking of.

Good lord, grow a pair people

But they do not force anyone else to drink soda or eat twinkies

They exhale and say......breathe my filth

In a cigar bar?

You have a low tolerance for the concept of force

Who said anything about a cigar bar?

Try to keep up pop

 

[Pop23]

I lived in Vegas for years, and gamblers are also smokers. You can not go into a casino and expect to come out no reeking of stale tobacco. In fact, the casino down here in Southern AZ is so thick with smoke that only a truly dedicated smoker could stand to be in there for more than a few minutes. For all practical purposes, smokers have made it impossible for non smokers to enjoy the casino. Well, the Indians own it, and smokers have the legal right to enjoy it, but I can easily pass up going to a casino. That is not true of grocery stores, and other public places.

If you ever spent much time in a casino, you will see people smoking, who are also pulling around wheeled oxygen units for their COPD. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.

Just about everywhere I go I see overweight people sucking on a 128 oz. diet coke and pounding down 15 twinkies, let's ban them from that grocery store you were speaking of.

Good lord, grow a pair people

But they do not force anyone else to drink soda or eat twinkies

They exhale and say......breathe my filth

In a cigar bar?

You have a low tolerance for the concept of force

Who said anything about a cigar bar?

Try to keep up pop

Post 434

Good lord, YOU are the nope falling behind

 

[rightwinger]

I lived in Vegas for years, and gamblers are also smokers. You can not go into a casino and expect to come out no reeking of stale tobacco. In fact, the casino down here in Southern AZ is so thick with smoke that only a truly dedicated smoker could stand to be in there for more than a few minutes. For all practical purposes, smokers have made it impossible for non smokers to enjoy the casino. Well, the Indians own it, and smokers have the legal right to enjoy it, but I can easily pass up going to a casino. That is not true of grocery stores, and other public places.

If you ever spent much time in a casino, you will see people smoking, who are also pulling around wheeled oxygen units for their COPD. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.

Just about everywhere I go I see overweight people sucking on a 128 oz. diet coke and pounding down 15 twinkies, let's ban them from that grocery store you were speaking of.

Good lord, grow a pair people

But they do not force anyone else to drink soda or eat twinkies

They exhale and say......breathe my filth

In a cigar bar?

You have a low tolerance for the concept of force

Who said anything about a cigar bar?

Try to keep up pop

Post 434

Good lord, YOU are the nope falling behind

434 is about twinkies

 

[Pop23]

Just about everywhere I go I see overweight people sucking on a 128 oz. diet coke and pounding down 15 twinkies, let's ban them from that grocery store you were speaking of.

Good lord, grow a pair people

But they do not force anyone else to drink soda or eat twinkies

They exhale and say......breathe my filth

In a cigar bar?

You have a low tolerance for the concept of force

Who said anything about a cigar bar?

Try to keep up pop

Post 434

Good lord, YOU are the nope falling behind

434 is about twinkies

My deepest and most sincere apologies. It 436

You may only need to grow one

 

[Silhouette]

After watching a story on the news about banning smoking in public areas- including businesses- forcibly, I realized how wrong that is. On government property- ie streets and government buildings like courthouses- the government should have the ability to ban it. But for privately owned businesses, they should be given the ability to choose. If they ban smoking, smokers can simply go elsewhere. If smoking is allowed, and offends people, said customers can use their competitors instead. As such, a business owner can then allow/disallow smoking if it would help their business. Government doesn't have a right to mandate businesses to ban something, even if it is for "the public's safety". Even that could be disproved by showing that smoking inside a building where everyone is okay with it does not harm those who actually care. And enviromentalists will now proceed to ask about factories pumping pollutants into the atmosphere and try to apply my logic to that. That is a different case, simply because potentially harmful pollutants are being put directly into the atmosphere, whereas smoking in a restaurant hasn't killed anyone walking in the street outside, as far as I know.

I personally know of an employee in a smoking-allowed casino who has died from it. And about a dozen others who have lifelong breathing injuries and disabilities from it.

It's not the patrons or the public; it's the employees. Though I tend to agree in principle about allowing business owners to do as they like in other instances and let the customers and sales dictate their market sensibilities.

Good topic Corvus.

 

[Pop23]

After watching a story on the news about banning smoking in public areas- including businesses- forcibly, I realized how wrong that is. On government property- ie streets and government buildings like courthouses- the government should have the ability to ban it. But for privately owned businesses, they should be given the ability to choose. If they ban smoking, smokers can simply go elsewhere. If smoking is allowed, and offends people, said customers can use their competitors instead. As such, a business owner can then allow/disallow smoking if it would help their business. Government doesn't have a right to mandate businesses to ban something, even if it is for "the public's safety". Even that could be disproved by showing that smoking inside a building where everyone is okay with it does not harm those who actually care. And enviromentalists will now proceed to ask about factories pumping pollutants into the atmosphere and try to apply my logic to that. That is a different case, simply because potentially harmful pollutants are being put directly into the atmosphere, whereas smoking in a restaurant hasn't killed anyone walking in the street outside, as far as I know.

I personally know of an employee in a smoking-allowed casino who has died from it. And about a dozen others who have lifelong breathing injuries and disabilities from it.

It's not the patrons or the public; it's the employees. Though I tend to agree in principle about allowing business owners to do as they like in other instances and let the customers and sales dictate their market sensibilities.

Good topic Corvus.

Kinda tough to blame that, and only that on second hand smoke

 

[Pogo]

After watching a story on the news about banning smoking in public areas- including businesses- forcibly, I realized how wrong that is. On government property- ie streets and government buildings like courthouses- the government should have the ability to ban it. But for privately owned businesses, they should be given the ability to choose. If they ban smoking, smokers can simply go elsewhere. If smoking is allowed, and offends people, said customers can use their competitors instead. As such, a business owner can then allow/disallow smoking if it would help their business. Government doesn't have a right to mandate businesses to ban something, even if it is for "the public's safety". Even that could be disproved by showing that smoking inside a building where everyone is okay with it does not harm those who actually care. And enviromentalists will now proceed to ask about factories pumping pollutants into the atmosphere and try to apply my logic to that. That is a different case, simply because potentially harmful pollutants are being put directly into the atmosphere, whereas smoking in a restaurant hasn't killed anyone walking in the street outside, as far as I know.

I personally know of an employee in a smoking-allowed casino who has died from it. And about a dozen others who have lifelong breathing injuries and disabilities from it.

It's not the patrons or the public; it's the employees. Though I tend to agree in principle about allowing business owners to do as they like in other instances and let the customers and sales dictate their market sensibilities.

Good topic Corvus.

Kinda tough to blame that, and only that on second hand smoke

But of course. It's not like it's an isolated case or only happens in casinos -- it's everywhere smokers go.

 

[rightwinger]

After watching a story on the news about banning smoking in public areas- including businesses- forcibly, I realized how wrong that is. On government property- ie streets and government buildings like courthouses- the government should have the ability to ban it. But for privately owned businesses, they should be given the ability to choose. If they ban smoking, smokers can simply go elsewhere. If smoking is allowed, and offends people, said customers can use their competitors instead. As such, a business owner can then allow/disallow smoking if it would help their business. Government doesn't have a right to mandate businesses to ban something, even if it is for "the public's safety". Even that could be disproved by showing that smoking inside a building where everyone is okay with it does not harm those who actually care. And enviromentalists will now proceed to ask about factories pumping pollutants into the atmosphere and try to apply my logic to that. That is a different case, simply because potentially harmful pollutants are being put directly into the atmosphere, whereas smoking in a restaurant hasn't killed anyone walking in the street outside, as far as I know.

I personally know of an employee in a smoking-allowed casino who has died from it. And about a dozen others who have lifelong breathing injuries and disabilities from it.

It's not the patrons or the public; it's the employees. Though I tend to agree in principle about allowing business owners to do as they like in other instances and let the customers and sales dictate their market sensibilities.

Good topic Corvus.

Kinda tough to blame that, and only that on second hand smoke

But of course. It's not like it's an isolated case or only happens in casinos -- it's everywhere smokers go.

Smokers are not welcome anywhere

 

[Pop23]

After watching a story on the news about banning smoking in public areas- including businesses- forcibly, I realized how wrong that is. On government property- ie streets and government buildings like courthouses- the government should have the ability to ban it. But for privately owned businesses, they should be given the ability to choose. If they ban smoking, smokers can simply go elsewhere. If smoking is allowed, and offends people, said customers can use their competitors instead. As such, a business owner can then allow/disallow smoking if it would help their business. Government doesn't have a right to mandate businesses to ban something, even if it is for "the public's safety". Even that could be disproved by showing that smoking inside a building where everyone is okay with it does not harm those who actually care. And enviromentalists will now proceed to ask about factories pumping pollutants into the atmosphere and try to apply my logic to that. That is a different case, simply because potentially harmful pollutants are being put directly into the atmosphere, whereas smoking in a restaurant hasn't killed anyone walking in the street outside, as far as I know.

I personally know of an employee in a smoking-allowed casino who has died from it. And about a dozen others who have lifelong breathing injuries and disabilities from it.

It's not the patrons or the public; it's the employees. Though I tend to agree in principle about allowing business owners to do as they like in other instances and let the customers and sales dictate their market sensibilities.

Good topic Corvus.

Kinda tough to blame that, and only that on second hand smoke

But of course. It's not like it's an isolated case or only happens in casinos -- it's everywhere smokers go.

Ummmm, your going to have to prove that, and of course, unless you follow someone 24/7/365, monitoring lifestyles, you can't.

Although, I have a feeling your the type that would enjoy that

 

[Pop23]

After watching a story on the news about banning smoking in public areas- including businesses- forcibly, I realized how wrong that is. On government property- ie streets and government buildings like courthouses- the government should have the ability to ban it. But for privately owned businesses, they should be given the ability to choose. If they ban smoking, smokers can simply go elsewhere. If smoking is allowed, and offends people, said customers can use their competitors instead. As such, a business owner can then allow/disallow smoking if it would help their business. Government doesn't have a right to mandate businesses to ban something, even if it is for "the public's safety". Even that could be disproved by showing that smoking inside a building where everyone is okay with it does not harm those who actually care. And enviromentalists will now proceed to ask about factories pumping pollutants into the atmosphere and try to apply my logic to that. That is a different case, simply because potentially harmful pollutants are being put directly into the atmosphere, whereas smoking in a restaurant hasn't killed anyone walking in the street outside, as far as I know.

I personally know of an employee in a smoking-allowed casino who has died from it. And about a dozen others who have lifelong breathing injuries and disabilities from it.

It's not the patrons or the public; it's the employees. Though I tend to agree in principle about allowing business owners to do as they like in other instances and let the customers and sales dictate their market sensibilities.

Good topic Corvus.

Kinda tough to blame that, and only that on second hand smoke

But of course. It's not like it's an isolated case or only happens in casinos -- it's everywhere smokers go.

Smokers are not welcome anywhere

Neither are nannies.

Just sayin

 

[Pogo]

After watching a story on the news about banning smoking in public areas- including businesses- forcibly, I realized how wrong that is. On government property- ie streets and government buildings like courthouses- the government should have the ability to ban it. But for privately owned businesses, they should be given the ability to choose. If they ban smoking, smokers can simply go elsewhere. If smoking is allowed, and offends people, said customers can use their competitors instead. As such, a business owner can then allow/disallow smoking if it would help their business. Government doesn't have a right to mandate businesses to ban something, even if it is for "the public's safety". Even that could be disproved by showing that smoking inside a building where everyone is okay with it does not harm those who actually care. And enviromentalists will now proceed to ask about factories pumping pollutants into the atmosphere and try to apply my logic to that. That is a different case, simply because potentially harmful pollutants are being put directly into the atmosphere, whereas smoking in a restaurant hasn't killed anyone walking in the street outside, as far as I know.

I personally know of an employee in a smoking-allowed casino who has died from it. And about a dozen others who have lifelong breathing injuries and disabilities from it.

It's not the patrons or the public; it's the employees. Though I tend to agree in principle about allowing business owners to do as they like in other instances and let the customers and sales dictate their market sensibilities.

Good topic Corvus.

Kinda tough to blame that, and only that on second hand smoke

But of course. It's not like it's an isolated case or only happens in casinos -- it's everywhere smokers go.

Ummmm, your going to have to prove that, and of course, unless you follow someone 24/7/365, monitoring lifestyles, you can't.

Although, I have a feeling your the type that would enjoy that

Sigh.
Post 406.

And common frickin' sense.

Denialists...

 

[Pop23]

After watching a story on the news about banning smoking in public areas- including businesses- forcibly, I realized how wrong that is. On government property- ie streets and government buildings like courthouses- the government should have the ability to ban it. But for privately owned businesses, they should be given the ability to choose. If they ban smoking, smokers can simply go elsewhere. If smoking is allowed, and offends people, said customers can use their competitors instead. As such, a business owner can then allow/disallow smoking if it would help their business. Government doesn't have a right to mandate businesses to ban something, even if it is for "the public's safety". Even that could be disproved by showing that smoking inside a building where everyone is okay with it does not harm those who actually care. And enviromentalists will now proceed to ask about factories pumping pollutants into the atmosphere and try to apply my logic to that. That is a different case, simply because potentially harmful pollutants are being put directly into the atmosphere, whereas smoking in a restaurant hasn't killed anyone walking in the street outside, as far as I know.

I personally know of an employee in a smoking-allowed casino who has died from it. And about a dozen others who have lifelong breathing injuries and disabilities from it.

It's not the patrons or the public; it's the employees. Though I tend to agree in principle about allowing business owners to do as they like in other instances and let the customers and sales dictate their market sensibilities.

Good topic Corvus.

Kinda tough to blame that, and only that on second hand smoke

But of course. It's not like it's an isolated case or only happens in casinos -- it's everywhere smokers go.

Ummmm, your going to have to prove that, and of course, unless you follow someone 24/7/365, monitoring lifestyles, you can't.

Although, I have a feeling your the type that would enjoy that

Sigh.
Post 406.

And common frickin' sense.

Denialists...

My favorite part was point #3 and the word "may"

To a droid may means must.

But that's ok, I got a bridge in Brooklyn......

Speaking of Brooklyn, I always get a kick out of banannistas that live in large cities that smell like armpits complaining about the nasty smokers.

Ultimate hypocrisy.

 

[Silhouette]

Ummmm, your going to have to prove that, and of course, unless you follow someone 24/7/365, monitoring lifestyles, you can't.

Although, I have a feeling your the type that would enjoy that

As it happens I know one of the injured people quite well and everything about her lifestyle. She went from distance running/non-smoker ever, to coughing up blood and asthma within just two years of working at the casino. All at the tender age of 20. One of her coworkers went from non-smoking to dead from a breathing attack as someone was rushing her to the hospital from the casino. The other dozen or so were mostly non-smokers who are struggling to breath each night, going from a normal status before working there. Some of them require oxygen as they sleep, the older ones.

At these casinos, the smoke idles constantly. Whereas smokers choose to light up or not, employees at a smoking establishment have no choice. Essentially on an 8-hour shift, they are doing the equivalent of smoking nonstop for the entire 8 hours. Like I said, the gal I know went from distance running to coughing up blood JUST in the time she worked at the casino. After her injury she had to give up running.

 

[Pogo]

My favorite part was point #3 and the word "may"

To a droid may means must.

But that's ok, I got a bridge in Brooklyn......

Speaking of Brooklyn, I always get a kick out of banannistas that live in large cities that smell like armpits complaining about the nasty smokers.

Ultimate hypocrisy.

Whatever that means....

When ya can't dazzle 'em with denial, baffle 'em with bullshit.

 

[Pogo]

Ummmm, your going to have to prove that, and of course, unless you follow someone 24/7/365, monitoring lifestyles, you can't.

Although, I have a feeling your the type that would enjoy that

As it happens I know one of the injured people quite well and everything about her lifestyle. She went from distance running/non-smoker ever, to coughing up blood and asthma within just two years of working at the casino. All at the tender age of 20. One of her coworkers went from non-smoking to dead from a breathing attack as someone was rushing her to the hospital from the casino. The other dozen or so were mostly non-smokers who are struggling to breath each night, going from a normal status before working there. Some of them require oxygen as they sleep, the older ones.

At these casinos, the smoke idles constantly. Whereas smokers choose to light up or not, employees at a smoking establishment have no choice. Essentially on an 8-hour shift, they are doing the equivalent of smoking nonstop for the entire 8 hours. Like I said, the gal I know went from distance running to coughing up blood JUST in the time she worked at the casino. After her injury she had to give up running.

Anyone who tries to deny the obvious effects of forced smoke ingestion is a fucking idiot. Hell I can feel my own pulse start racing right away. Then even if you get away there's that stench broadcasting itself off your skin and clothes...

 

[Mathbud1]

Ummmm, your going to have to prove that, and of course, unless you follow someone 24/7/365, monitoring lifestyles, you can't.

Although, I have a feeling your the type that would enjoy that

As it happens I know one of the injured people quite well and everything about her lifestyle. She went from distance running/non-smoker ever, to coughing up blood and asthma within just two years of working at the casino. All at the tender age of 20. One of her coworkers went from non-smoking to dead from a breathing attack as someone was rushing her to the hospital from the casino. The other dozen or so were mostly non-smokers who are struggling to breath each night, going from a normal status before working there. Some of them require oxygen as they sleep, the older ones.

At these casinos, the smoke idles constantly. Whereas smokers choose to light up or not, employees at a smoking establishment have no choice. Essentially on an 8-hour shift, they are doing the equivalent of smoking nonstop for the entire 8 hours. Like I said, the gal I know went from distance running to coughing up blood JUST in the time she worked at the casino. After her injury she had to give up running.

Anyone who tries to deny the obvious effects of forced smoke ingestion is a fucking idiot. Hell I can feel my own pulse start racing right away. Then even if you get away there's that stench broadcasting itself off your skin and clothes...

I went to an outdoor concert once. I was surrounded by smokers. By halfway through the third song I had to leave. My breathing was so impaired I thought I was going to have to go to the emergency room. I think I'm allergic to it. I had a horrible reaction. I guzzled some benadryl and started slowly feeling better.

One of the worst experiences of my life.

 

[Pop23]

My favorite part was point #3 and the word "may"

To a droid may means must.

But that's ok, I got a bridge in Brooklyn......

Speaking of Brooklyn, I always get a kick out of banannistas that live in large cities that smell like armpits complaining about the nasty smokers.

Ultimate hypocrisy.

Whatever that means....

When ya can't dazzle 'em with denial, baffle 'em with bullshit.

You may be an idiot

Get it

 

[Pop23]

Ummmm, your going to have to prove that, and of course, unless you follow someone 24/7/365, monitoring lifestyles, you can't.

Although, I have a feeling your the type that would enjoy that

As it happens I know one of the injured people quite well and everything about her lifestyle. She went from distance running/non-smoker ever, to coughing up blood and asthma within just two years of working at the casino. All at the tender age of 20. One of her coworkers went from non-smoking to dead from a breathing attack as someone was rushing her to the hospital from the casino. The other dozen or so were mostly non-smokers who are struggling to breath each night, going from a normal status before working there. Some of them require oxygen as they sleep, the older ones.

At these casinos, the smoke idles constantly. Whereas smokers choose to light up or not, employees at a smoking establishment have no choice. Essentially on an 8-hour shift, they are doing the equivalent of smoking nonstop for the entire 8 hours. Like I said, the gal I know went from distance running to coughing up blood JUST in the time she worked at the casino. After her injury she had to give up running.

Anyone who tries to deny the obvious effects of forced smoke ingestion is a fucking idiot. Hell I can feel my own pulse start racing right away. Then even if you get away there's that stench broadcasting itself off your skin and clothes...

Some one forced you to be around it?

So sorry about that

When I'm around things I don't like, I leave

 

[Pop23]

Ummmm, your going to have to prove that, and of course, unless you follow someone 24/7/365, monitoring lifestyles, you can't.

Although, I have a feeling your the type that would enjoy that

As it happens I know one of the injured people quite well and everything about her lifestyle. She went from distance running/non-smoker ever, to coughing up blood and asthma within just two years of working at the casino. All at the tender age of 20. One of her coworkers went from non-smoking to dead from a breathing attack as someone was rushing her to the hospital from the casino. The other dozen or so were mostly non-smokers who are struggling to breath each night, going from a normal status before working there. Some of them require oxygen as they sleep, the older ones.

At these casinos, the smoke idles constantly. Whereas smokers choose to light up or not, employees at a smoking establishment have no choice. Essentially on an 8-hour shift, they are doing the equivalent of smoking nonstop for the entire 8 hours. Like I said, the gal I know went from distance running to coughing up blood JUST in the time she worked at the casino. After her injury she had to give up running.

Anyone who tries to deny the obvious effects of forced smoke ingestion is a fucking idiot. Hell I can feel my own pulse start racing right away. Then even if you get away there's that stench broadcasting itself off your skin and clothes...

Just thinking about it

Do you enjoy looking irrational?

 

[Pogo]

Ummmm, your going to have to prove that, and of course, unless you follow someone 24/7/365, monitoring lifestyles, you can't.

Although, I have a feeling your the type that would enjoy that

As it happens I know one of the injured people quite well and everything about her lifestyle. She went from distance running/non-smoker ever, to coughing up blood and asthma within just two years of working at the casino. All at the tender age of 20. One of her coworkers went from non-smoking to dead from a breathing attack as someone was rushing her to the hospital from the casino. The other dozen or so were mostly non-smokers who are struggling to breath each night, going from a normal status before working there. Some of them require oxygen as they sleep, the older ones.

At these casinos, the smoke idles constantly. Whereas smokers choose to light up or not, employees at a smoking establishment have no choice. Essentially on an 8-hour shift, they are doing the equivalent of smoking nonstop for the entire 8 hours. Like I said, the gal I know went from distance running to coughing up blood JUST in the time she worked at the casino. After her injury she had to give up running.

Anyone who tries to deny the obvious effects of forced smoke ingestion is a fucking idiot. Hell I can feel my own pulse start racing right away. Then even if you get away there's that stench broadcasting itself off your skin and clothes...

Some one forced you to be around it?

So sorry about that

When I'm around things I don't like, I leave

And that's always possible on your planet, is it?
Do let me know when that's invented here.

Did you know it used to be you could smoke on a plane? Imagine that.
"Smokers on a Plane". Coming this Hallowe'en to a theater near you. Hey, don't like it? There's the door.