So just what does China manufacture?

[Luddly Neddite]

Before you knee-jerk blame President Obama, really LOOK at this and think it through.

https://www.upworthy.com/shocking-a-short-list-of-the-things-that-are-now-made-in-china?c=cp2

Note that its easier to see at the link.


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[RKMBrown]

Yeah cause why should we blame the leader of the socialists for the failure of the socialist policies?

 

[rdean]

2.4 million jobs lost due to China from 2001-2008

Thursday afternoon Republicans in the U.S. Senate blocked a bill designed to help American job growth by providing tax break incentives to companies investing in jobs in America while at the same time removing existing tax breaks gained by companies that outsource jobs beyond U.S. borders.

Present law allows companies to take a tax deduction for the movement of equipment and people beyond U.S. borders. This bill would have removed such tax deductions and, in addition, it would have provided a 20% tax incentive to companies who moved overseas jobs back to American soil.

Republicans kill U.S. jobs bill designed to curb job outsourcing

Under President Bush, Republicans voted 8 times to expand tax breaks for outsourcing and protect offshore tax havens

Republican Record on Shipping American Jobs Overseas

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We know from the last election the Chinese funded US Chamber of Commerce gives to Republicans 10 to 1 over Democrats. So you can't say both parties do it. The reason the Chinese funded US Chamber of Commerce gives to Republicans is because they know that Republicans fill fuck over the middle class. Even many USMB Republicans enjoy fucking over the middle class. Somehow, the don't see themselves as middle class. They see themselves as 'millionaires without funds'. They are just waiting for their ship to come in.

Robots lift China's factories to new heights

China is starting out with a million robots to replace workers making $172 a month. We could design and build and maintain and program those robots here. Republicans will make sure that never happens. You can't design without education. And we know what Republicans think of education.

 

[RKMBrown]

Looks to me some retards don't understand the difference between off-shoring, out-sourcing, on-shoring, in-sourcing, ...

 

[AmazonTania]

Before you knee-jerk blame President Obama, really LOOK at this and think it through.

https://www.upworthy.com/shocking-a-short-list-of-the-things-that-are-now-made-in-china?c=cp2

Note that its easier to see at the link.


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So?

 

[rdean]

Looks to me some retards don't understand the difference between off-shoring, out-sourcing, on-shoring, in-sourcing, ...

Why don't you explain and while you are at it, how does it relate to Republican Policies?

 

[Kimura]

Before you knee-jerk blame President Obama, really LOOK at this and think it through.

https://www.upworthy.com/shocking-a-short-list-of-the-things-that-are-now-made-in-china?c=cp2

Note that its easier to see at the link.


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So?

Exactly....

Are we the only ones who've read Marx and Dickens?

Seriously, why do I want dirty smoke stacks and factories in my neighborhood? Good riddance....

Edit to add:

There are some materials we could source domestically in the event of war. That I don't have an issue with.

 

[Moonglow]

China has a major pollution problem. The Chinese govt. is curtailing auto sales as a way to reduce smog-Ha!

 

[RKMBrown]

Looks to me some retards don't understand the difference between off-shoring, out-sourcing, on-shoring, in-sourcing, ...

Why don't you explain and while you are at it, how does it relate to Republican Policies?

The bill written by the dumbocrats did nothing to bring jobs to America. It replaced a stupid tax break for outsourcing with an even dumber tax break for insourcing. Outsourcing and insourcing have nothing to do with offshoring and onshoring.

Out-sourcing is contracting outside your company to get work done for you company. For example, out-sourcing your Payroll and Accounting to a payroll, and accounting companies.

In-sourcing would be the opposite of that such as creating a payroll department in your company to replace the payroll company you were working for.

The bill YOU REFERRED to was voted down by the republicans because it was INSANELY STUPID AND DID NOTHING TO REDUCE OFFSHORING.

Off-shoring is the movement of jobs to foreign lands. This bill did nothing about that topic other than having a wrongly written title. Which is typical of the dumbocrats.

 

[AmazonTania]

Before you knee-jerk blame President Obama, really LOOK at this and think it through.

https://www.upworthy.com/shocking-a-short-list-of-the-things-that-are-now-made-in-china?c=cp2

Note that its easier to see at the link.


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So?

Exactly....

Are we the only ones who've read Marx and Dickens?

Seriously, why do I want dirty smoke stacks and factories in my neighborhood? Good riddance....

Edit to add:

There are some materials we could source domestically in the event of war. That I don't have an issue with.

Pollution and sweat shops are one of the things society has to deal with has economies become more industrialized and more prosperous. The West has already gone through this phase, now it's China's turn. They are developing their economy, somehow people see this as a bad thing.

Americans want all these jobs which creates wealth, but none of the pollution. They can't have it both ways. America just needs more manufacturing jobs to start producing more of what they actually consume; however, the era of the manufacturing based economy is over.

 

[bripat9643]

Looks to me some retards don't understand the difference between off-shoring, out-sourcing, on-shoring, in-sourcing, ...

rdean thinks punishing corporations with higher taxes is the way to create jobs in this country. If they want to give corporations an incentive to create jobs in this country, then just lower their overall tax rate. Of course, the libturds would never agree to that. They believe corporations exist to provide sustenance for the vast mass of Democrat parasites.

 

[RKMBrown]

So?

Exactly....

Are we the only ones who've read Marx and Dickens?

Seriously, why do I want dirty smoke stacks and factories in my neighborhood? Good riddance....

Edit to add:

There are some materials we could source domestically in the event of war. That I don't have an issue with.

Pollution and sweat shops are one of the things society has to deal with has economies become more industrialized and more prosperous. The West has already gone through this phase, now it's China's turn. They are developing their economy, somehow people see this as a bad thing.

Americans want all these jobs which creates wealth, but none of the pollution. They can't have it both ways. America just needs more manufacturing jobs to start producing more of what they actually consume; however, the era of the manufacturing based economy is over.

I disagree with both of your points. Pollution is not a necessary output of production. And manufacturing is still a primary element/requirement for everything done in the services sector, so saying that the era of manufacturing is over... is silly. I would agree with the point that the era of unusually high profits in mass manufacturing is under fire due to competition.

 

[Kimura]

Exactly....

Are we the only ones who've read Marx and Dickens?

Seriously, why do I want dirty smoke stacks and factories in my neighborhood? Good riddance....

Edit to add:

There are some materials we could source domestically in the event of war. That I don't have an issue with.

Pollution and sweat shops are one of the things society has to deal with has economies become more industrialized and more prosperous. The West has already gone through this phase, now it's China's turn. They are developing their economy, somehow people see this as a bad thing.

Americans want all these jobs which creates wealth, but none of the pollution. They can't have it both ways. America just needs more manufacturing jobs to start producing more of what they actually consume; however, the era of the manufacturing based economy is over.

I disagree with both of your points. Pollution is not a necessary output of production. And manufacturing is still a primary element/requirement for everything done in the services sector, so saying that the era of manufacturing is over... is silly. I would agree with the point that the era of unusually high profits in mass manufacturing is under fire due to competition.

Obviously, the US still has a manufacturing sector. It's this belief that if we had more "manufacturing jobs" there would be some magical equilibrium in the overall macro picture. It's hogwash.

 

[RKMBrown]

Pollution and sweat shops are one of the things society has to deal with has economies become more industrialized and more prosperous. The West has already gone through this phase, now it's China's turn. They are developing their economy, somehow people see this as a bad thing.

Americans want all these jobs which creates wealth, but none of the pollution. They can't have it both ways. America just needs more manufacturing jobs to start producing more of what they actually consume; however, the era of the manufacturing based economy is over.

I disagree with both of your points. Pollution is not a necessary output of production. And manufacturing is still a primary element/requirement for everything done in the services sector, so saying that the era of manufacturing is over... is silly. I would agree with the point that the era of unusually high profits in mass manufacturing is under fire due to competition.

Obviously, the US still has a manufacturing sector. It's this belief that if we had more "manufacturing jobs" there would be some magical equilibrium in the overall macro picture. It's hogwash.

Calling work Hogwash is hogwash in and of itself. I don't think anyone is calling for just "manufacturing" jobs. I believe the general argument is against the offshoring. The offshoring is not just industrial manufacturing, but other types of manufacturing jobs and services as well.

 

[Kimura]

I disagree with both of your points. Pollution is not a necessary output of production. And manufacturing is still a primary element/requirement for everything done in the services sector, so saying that the era of manufacturing is over... is silly. I would agree with the point that the era of unusually high profits in mass manufacturing is under fire due to competition.

Obviously, the US still has a manufacturing sector. It's this belief that if we had more "manufacturing jobs" there would be some magical equilibrium in the overall macro picture. It's hogwash.

Calling work Hogwash is hogwash in and of itself. I don't think anyone is calling for just "manufacturing" jobs. I believe the general argument is against the offshoring. The offshoring is not just industrial manufacturing, but other types of manufacturing jobs and services as well.

I never said that it was just "manufacturing jobs". Sometimes I'll listen to Thom Hartman and he'll go on and on and on about about deindustrialization and the loss of manufacturing jobs. This is where I part ways with my progressive friends.

 

[RKMBrown]

Pron... was that really necessary?

 

[rdean]

Looks to me some retards don't understand the difference between off-shoring, out-sourcing, on-shoring, in-sourcing, ...

Why don't you explain and while you are at it, how does it relate to Republican Policies?

The bill written by the dumbocrats did nothing to bring jobs to America. It replaced a stupid tax break for outsourcing with an even dumber tax break for insourcing. Outsourcing and insourcing have nothing to do with offshoring and onshoring.

Out-sourcing is contracting outside your company to get work done for you company. For example, out-sourcing your Payroll and Accounting to a payroll, and accounting companies.

In-sourcing would be the opposite of that such as creating a payroll department in your company to replace the payroll company you were working for.

The bill YOU REFERRED to was voted down by the republicans because it was INSANELY STUPID AND DID NOTHING TO REDUCE OFFSHORING.

Off-shoring is the movement of jobs to foreign lands. This bill did nothing about that topic other than having a wrongly written title. Which is typical of the dumbocrats.

I missed the part about Republican Policies. Unless you agree with Republicans that we should subsidies moving jobs to China. Regardless of what they say, it's what the do that tells the entire story.

 

[Politico]

They make perfect copies of everybody elses stuff.

 

[Londoner]

rdean thinks punishing corporations with higher taxes is the way to create jobs in this country. If they want to give corporations an incentive to create jobs in this country, then just lower their overall tax rate. Of course, the libturds would never agree to that. They believe corporations exist to provide sustenance for the vast mass of Democrat parasites.

The corporate tax rate is so filled with loopholes that it makes no sense to even talk about it.

Nike investors win big when their products are made in sweat-shops by workers who live in hovels beneath brutal dictators.

Nike would need more than the huge tax break (which they currently enjoy) to bring jobs home from the Taiwanese labor markets where workers make less than $5 a day. No American worker could afford to work for the wages that our investment class requires. These jobs would be best suited to homeless people who wanted to buy a few more cans of cat food.

The Cold War and the Globalization of Production

One of the achievements of the Cold War was to use the Soviet threat to intervene in resource-rich parts of the developing world, giving our corporations maximum access to the globe's cheapest labor markets. This is why we've supported some nasty dictators and funded ruthless groups like the Contras: because these freedom hating monsters prevent the serfs from rising up and taking rightful possession of their country's resources (This is why we installed the brutal Shaw, because he was willing to build his country's destiny around western energy needs).

What happened to the US Economy when corporations shipped jobs to freedom hating parts of the developing world?

You know the story, right? As Americans lost jobs - and as the Reagan Revolution began to repeal their benefits, entitlements, safety nets along with handing their Health Care to anti-competitive monopolies - the same old structural flaw of capitalism emerged: how can workers buy the volume of goods necessary to sustain domestic economic growth when there is massive downward pressure on their purchasing power? Answer: credit/debt.

The globalization of production - which destroyed US jobs and wages - required the creation of the world's largest "credit card economy". AKA Reaganomics and 30 years of debt based consumption.

Do yourself a favor and research what happened to household debt starting in the 80s. You will discover a horror story. American families, having lost wages and benefits so we could properly incentivize the suppliers, began borrowing in unprecedented volume just to stay afloat. And it worked for a couple of decades. But after 30 years of borrowing, consumer demand is now buried under an inconceivably large mountain of debt. American families, many of them suffering through job loss and also having to compete with Taiwanese sweat-shops for work, are so indebted that they can't borrow enough to consume at the necessary levels to sustain economic growth and job creation. This problem is so massive and entrenched that it cannot be solved by bringing home $5 a day jobs from Vietnam.

Game over. Reaganomics destroyed demand. America swallowed poison in 1980 and the patient is almost dead.

 

[Two Thumbs]

it got harder and harder to produce here

small companies that couldn't afford all the regulations and lawyers went first and became competitors with American based cos

so eventually, to remain on top, big companies left

plus the chinese are little more than slaves to the government