Ravi
Diamond Member
Care, it almost sounds as if you believe non-custodial parents have no rights.
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I don't know when she joined the cult. And I disagree. Even in divorced families, both parents still have a say in their children's education.It sounds like a divorce problem more than anything else. The father claims the mother is a member of a cult, and apparently the woman's father also agrees she is a member of a cult.
The judge had to side with one parent, he picked the father.
If she is a member of a dangerous cult, why did she get custody of the kids? Could they not prove she was a member of a cult? She shouldn't have the kids at all...?
Was she home schooling them when they were married, do you know Ravi?
even in a divorce case, the judge can not choose where the kids go to school, the parent does, according to law....
The judge can determine who has custody in a divorce proceeding, but not where the kids go to school, that is up to the parent with custody.
Care
The right thing, is to FOLLOW THE LAW.....and parents can choose where their kids go to school, private or public...
if this woman belongs to some dangerous cult, then the right thing to do would be to give custody to the father....within Divorce LAW.
say "Bye Bye" to the so-called right of religious zealots to brainwash their children. It's about time these loonies were taken to task. BRAVO to the judge BRAVO !
Care, what if the mother were sending her kids to the school that was passing out the book on gays to elementary schools brought up in the other thread...Pro-Homosexual Booklet to Be Distributed to All 16,000 US School Districts
Would the father have no right to insist that the children be moved to another school?
Care, what if the mother were sending her kids to the school that was passing out the book on gays to elementary schools brought up in the other thread...Pro-Homosexual Booklet to Be Distributed to All 16,000 US School Districts
Would the father have no right to insist that the children be moved to another school?
Ravi, i haven't read that thread that you mentioned yet...
But here are my concerns....i think that in a divorce, the father or the one who did not receive custody, can not continually interupt the consistant GOOD rearing of the children that he doesn't have custody of.....
Care, what if the mother were sending her kids to the school that was passing out the book on gays to elementary schools brought up in the other thread...Pro-Homosexual Booklet to Be Distributed to All 16,000 US School Districts
Would the father have no right to insist that the children be moved to another school?
Ravi, i haven't read that thread that you mentioned yet...
But here are my concerns....i think that in a divorce, the father or the one who did not receive custody, can not continually interupt the consistant GOOD rearing of the children that he doesn't have custody of.....
Who says it's good?? Apparently HE doesn't think so. And I'm wondering why you're ignoring my points when I'm the one who did divorces for people and am telling you how it goes. That isn't like you.
It sounds as if they are in divorce proceeding currently, so it isn't the judge overriding the mother's opinion, it is the judge settling a dispute between the parents.
Wake judge orders home schoolers into public classrooms :: WRAL.com
I agree with your overall point that the custodial parent has to deal with the day to day decisions for the children. But I don't agree that the non-custodial parent has no say in what goes on.
The thread I mentioned was a discussion of a gay advocacy group handing out materials in schools to teach children that gay relationships were normal. So my question was, what if this woman was sending her children to one of those schools and had no problem with the literature being handed out, but the father objected to the literature...why would she have the final say, simply because she was the custodial parent? Where does the non-custodial parent lose his or her rights to what he or she considers the best interests of the child?
yall are missing this point..the father objected to the homeschooling and forced the judge to make a ruling...
father refusing to pay home schooling expenses..when public education is free..
i am not an advocate of home schooling...but i do realize they do many activities as a group...and try to socialize the kids that way...the kids still dont learn how the "game" is played...school is for one thing only now days...teaching kids how to get over ...it does seem...if you really feel like you are a better teacher for your kids..then keep them at home and teach them...but i think it takes a real ego for people with high school educations to take over teaching their kids...your kids educations will be limited by your degree of education....and again..i think the varied of people that teach in public schools could be enlightening...kids need to be exposed to different teaching methods..not everyone will spoon feed them the information....now as far as testing ahead blah blah blah....there it is simply like the public schools where they teach to the test...both sides are very guilty of that..one aspect of home schooling that i do not see being accomplished is the literary part....of having a large library with many reference sources...reference books are expensive....you can depend of the county library for that...and homeschoolers who are involved in sports teams with public schoolers are always kinda pushed to the side by the other kids...(this is only my observation)
Once again, you are either intentionally lying or show absolutely no understanding of the issues.
These people are going through a divorce. Mommy wants to homeschool. Daddy thinks it's bogus. In a divorce, a JUDGE gets to decide the best interests of the child. Aren't you guys always whining that daddy should have a say? Well, in a divorce, daddy GETS a say.
perhaps you need to read things that don't lie like you do.
I think we are going to end up not agreeing on this...for all we know the father wanted custody of the children and didn't get it...I can't see any real reason that his educational wishes for the kids don't have the same merit as the mother's wishes. I suppose he could go over and teach them evolution...if she lets him.It sounds as if they are in divorce proceeding currently, so it isn't the judge overriding the mother's opinion, it is the judge settling a dispute between the parents.
Wake judge orders home schoolers into public classrooms :: WRAL.com
I agree with your overall point that the custodial parent has to deal with the day to day decisions for the children. But I don't agree that the non-custodial parent has no say in what goes on.
The thread I mentioned was a discussion of a gay advocacy group handing out materials in schools to teach children that gay relationships were normal. So my question was, what if this woman was sending her children to one of those schools and had no problem with the literature being handed out, but the father objected to the literature...why would she have the final say, simply because she was the custodial parent? Where does the non-custodial parent lose his or her rights to what he or she considers the best interests of the child?
let me answer you before looking for Jillians other posts on this...
i don't think the non custodial parent has no say..... usually the parents work out what is best for the kids.
If the non custodial parent has concerns for their children because of harm, or something illegal then by all means, see a judge to put some sort of stop order on the mother, or take the kids away....
But, when you have these kids, who have always been home schooled and they are testing at 2 years above norm and they were taken out of public school in the first place because they were doing poorly in public school, and they also participate in extra curricular activies and sports with kids of their own age, WHAT reason would there be for the judge to do this against the mother's will, who has temporary custody of the kids....if the divorce is not final yet, and the kids are with her, she has the custody of them...
If they were testing below their grade level, confined to never going out of the house and seeing sunshine, and 20lbs under weight, I'd say...Houston, we have a problem! And most certainly the non custodial parent should have a means to object.
On the passing out gay pamphlet thing by some activist group, at a school...i don't think they should be allowed to do it in the first place, nor should Christians be allowed to pass on pamphlets at a school.
(i still haven't read the thread, so i am not certain i am dipicting what happened)
but presuming i have the gist of it, if the mother wanted the child to continue to go to this school, where these pamphlets were distributed and the non custodial father objected to his child continuing to go to this public school, i would say the father would not have good reason to insist such....unless there was some proof that this harmed his child in some way.
There is no reason why the father could not take this booklet and go over it with his children and teach them why he disagrees with the booklet's view on this...if his children happened to even get a copy of it handed to them...
so, if i got the gist of the story right, this is how i think on it...
Care
Once again, you are either intentionally lying or show absolutely no understanding of the issues.
These people are going through a divorce. Mommy wants to homeschool. Daddy thinks it's bogus. In a divorce, a JUDGE gets to decide the best interests of the child. Aren't you guys always whining that daddy should have a say? Well, in a divorce, daddy GETS a say.
perhaps you need to read things that don't lie like you do.
say "Bye Bye" to the so-called right of religious zealots to brainwash their children. It's about time these loonies were taken to task. BRAVO to the judge BRAVO !
This kind of thing drives me (a licensed educator in two states) completely batshit.
I support public education, but not the way we're currently doing it in most places.
And I defintiely DO NOT THINK that any state has the right to force children to go to public schools IF the parents are doing a good job educating their own kids.
And that, my friends, is how REAL LIBERALS ROLL.
I would never try to homeschool my kids. And I do think that the social side of a school education does have value. But, parents should have the right to make that decisions themselves.
In this case, you have two parents, each wanting something different. And while I support the rights of both parents, in this case, the father is putting his own interests above those of his kids. It seems like it's a matter of money as he most likely would need to provide more alimony to his wife so she can stay home to school the kids rather than working. To top things off, he is the one who couldn't keep his prick in his pants.