So progressives want “sanctuary cities”, uh?

[danielpalos]

Congress has the authority to call out the militia.

Yep. But they don’t have the “authority” to force citizens to join the militia, ya paid Russian troll.

Yes, they do. The militia is callable to Arms.

What militia?

The Militia of the United States.

Really?

They got a website?

headquarters?

membership list?

are you a member?

nobody takes the right wing seriously about the law, Constitutional or otherwise.

10USC246

 

[ThisIsMe]

Congress has the authority to call out the militia.

Yep. But they don’t have the “authority” to force citizens to join the militia, ya paid Russian troll.

Yes, they do. The militia is callable to Arms.

I think that argument is flawed, I say this because, from what reading I've done in the framers comments, they were leaning toward the militia being a unified citizenry, formed by the citizens themselves, to ward off tyrannical government. The way I understand it, these are not people able to be called up by the government, because the idea of the militia was to be a stay against government should they get out if sorts.

This would lead me to believe that a militia is not something that would be under the control of Congress, but rather, the citizens forming under their own power, should the decide they've had enough of government corruption.

If you read the articles from the framers, it would lead you to believe that they wanted a way for the people to be able to protect themselves through the use of arms.

https://www.quora.com/What-do-the-t...d’-and-‘militia’-mean-in-the-Second-Amendment

Found this while doing some searching. It has a lot of insightful comments regarding this very topic.

We have a Constitution, not merely a Second Article of Amendment.

True, but if you look at things said during the debates, it's clear that they were very hesitant where government was concerned. The entire constitution is really a road map of restrictions on government. They wanted to make sure the government had a limited role in people's lives, hence the enumerated powers.

 

[Auld Phart]

Yep. But they don’t have the “authority” to force citizens to join the militia, ya paid Russian troll.

Yes, they do. The militia is callable to Arms.

What militia?

The Militia of the United States.

Really?

They got a website?

headquarters?

membership list?

are you a member?

nobody takes the right wing seriously about the law, Constitutional or otherwise.

10USC246

I certainly dont' take you seriously.

"The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard. "

Guess if you are under 17, or over 45, you aren't a member of the Militia.

Guess if you don't belong to the National Guard, you aren't a member of the Militia.

Anything else you'd like shot down?

 

[danielpalos]

Congress has the authority to call out the militia.

Yep. But they don’t have the “authority” to force citizens to join the militia, ya paid Russian troll.

Yes, they do. The militia is callable to Arms.

I think that argument is flawed, I say this because, from what reading I've done in the framers comments, they were leaning toward the militia being a unified citizenry, formed by the citizens themselves, to ward off tyrannical government. The way I understand it, these are not people able to be called up by the government, because the idea of the militia was to be a stay against government should they get out if sorts.

This would lead me to believe that a militia is not something that would be under the control of Congress, but rather, the citizens forming under their own power, should the decide they've had enough of government corruption.

If you read the articles from the framers, it would lead you to believe that they wanted a way for the people to be able to protect themselves through the use of arms.

https://www.quora.com/What-do-the-t...d’-and-‘militia’-mean-in-the-Second-Amendment

Found this while doing some searching. It has a lot of insightful comments regarding this very topic.

We have a Constitution, not merely a Second Article of Amendment.

True, but if you look at things said during the debates, it's clear that they were very hesitant where government was concerned. The entire constitution is really a road map of restrictions on government. They wanted to make sure the government had a limited role in people's lives, hence the enumerated powers.

you can't appeal to ignorance of the law. it really is that simple. how fortunate the People are, our Founding Fathers put it in writing.

 

[danielpalos]

Yes, they do. The militia is callable to Arms.

What militia?

The Militia of the United States.

Really?

They got a website?

headquarters?

membership list?

are you a member?

nobody takes the right wing seriously about the law, Constitutional or otherwise.

10USC246

I certainly dont' take you seriously.

"The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard. "

Guess if you are under 17, or over 45, you aren't a member of the Militia.

Guess if you don't belong to the National Guard, you aren't a member of the Militia.

Anything else you'd like shot down?

The federal government has first dibs on the militia of the People.

States have second dibs.

The People are the Militia.

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

 

[Auld Phart]

What militia?

The Militia of the United States.

Really?

They got a website?

headquarters?

membership list?

are you a member?

nobody takes the right wing seriously about the law, Constitutional or otherwise.

10USC246

I certainly dont' take you seriously.

"The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard. "

Guess if you are under 17, or over 45, you aren't a member of the Militia.

Guess if you don't belong to the National Guard, you aren't a member of the Militia.

Anything else you'd like shot down?

The federal government has first dibs on the militia of the People.

States have second dibs.

The People are the Militia.

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

One voice out of dozens, and few agreed with him.

Few remember him, except for that one statement.

and even in those days, Militia consisted of able bodied men between the ages of 16-45.

No women, no disabled, no men over the age of 45.

Instead of regurgitating liberal talking points, why don't you do some research.

See what Washington, Jefferson, Madison, etc said about the militia

 

[P@triot]

In post #164, the PRT (Paid Russian Troll) attempts to cite the U.S. Constitution.

how fortunate the People are, our Founding Fathers put it in writing.

However, when challenged on the U.S. Constitution, the PRT (Paid Russian Troll) suddenly ignores the U.S. Constitution altogether in the very next post (#165) and instead claims that a quote from George Mason is suddenly and magically the law of the land:

The federal government has first dibs on the militia of the People. States have second dibs. The People are the Militia.

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

Folks...you just can’t make this stuff up. At no point did anyone claim who had first “dibs” on a state militia. After being thoroughly schooled by WillHaftawaite, the PRT (Paid Russian Troll) immediately resorts to a straw man.

Furthermore, George Mason’s off-the-cuff remark is not law. The U.S. Constitution is. You’ve been owned once again, PRT.

 

[P@triot]

how fortunate the People are, our Founding Fathers put it in writing.

Yes, how fortunate indeed, PRT (Paid Russian Troll). For it allows us to illustrate your profound ignorance to the world.

10 U.S. Code § 246 - Militia: composition and classes

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

Not only is that not “the whole of the people” - it is, in fact, a very small portion of the people. Only one gender. A limited age range within that gender.

 

[danielpalos]

The Militia of the United States.

Really?

They got a website?

headquarters?

membership list?

are you a member?

nobody takes the right wing seriously about the law, Constitutional or otherwise.

10USC246

I certainly dont' take you seriously.

"The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard. "

Guess if you are under 17, or over 45, you aren't a member of the Militia.

Guess if you don't belong to the National Guard, you aren't a member of the Militia.

Anything else you'd like shot down?

The federal government has first dibs on the militia of the People.

States have second dibs.

The People are the Militia.

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

One voice out of dozens, and few agreed with him.

Few remember him, except for that one statement.

and even in those days, Militia consisted of able bodied men between the ages of 16-45.

No women, no disabled, no men over the age of 45.

Instead of regurgitating liberal talking points, why don't you do some research.

See what Washington, Jefferson, Madison, etc said about the militia

whatever can you mean? that understanding of the composition of the militia under the common law for the common defense, was ratified at the Convention.

 

[danielpalos]

In post #164, the PRT (Paid Russian Troll) attempts to cite the U.S. Constitution.

how fortunate the People are, our Founding Fathers put it in writing.

However, when challenged on the U.S. Constitution, the PRT (Paid Russian Troll) suddenly ignores the U.S. Constitution altogether in the very next post (#165) and instead claims that a quote from George Mason is suddenly and magically the law of the land:

The federal government has first dibs on the militia of the People. States have second dibs. The People are the Militia.

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

Folks...you just can’t make this stuff up. At no point did anyone claim who had first “dibs” on a state militia. After being thoroughly schooled by WillHaftawaite, the PRT (Paid Russian Troll) immediately resorts to a straw man.

Furthermore, George Mason’s off-the-cuff remark is not law. The U.S. Constitution is. You’ve been owned once again, PRT.

lol. it was Not, off the cuff; that was the understanding that was ratified at the Convention, regarding the composition of the militia.

 

[danielpalos]

how fortunate the People are, our Founding Fathers put it in writing.

Yes, how fortunate indeed, PRT (Paid Russian Troll). For it allows us to illustrate your profound ignorance to the world.

10 U.S. Code § 246 - Militia: composition and classes

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

Not only is that not “the whole of the people” - it is, in fact, a very small portion of the people. Only one gender. A limited age range within that gender.

That is the population obligated to the defense of the Union; and, they can be drafted. The rest would have to join.

However, the States get the remainder.

 

[Unkotare]

Deport the illegals and give the jobs to Americans.

Build our economy bigger and stronger.

Which jobs? Which Americans?

 

[danielpalos]

Deport the illegals and give the jobs to Americans.

Build our economy bigger and stronger.

Which jobs? Which Americans?

A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage; Capitalism doesn't care as long as capital circulates.

 

[ThisIsMe]

how fortunate the People are, our Founding Fathers put it in writing.

Yes, how fortunate indeed, PRT (Paid Russian Troll). For it allows us to illustrate your profound ignorance to the world.

10 U.S. Code § 246 - Militia: composition and classes

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

Not only is that not “the whole of the people” - it is, in fact, a very small portion of the people. Only one gender. A limited age range within that gender.

He has a point here. If we are to adhere to the letter of the law, we must do it in its entire proper context. Admittedly, we must study and know what the intent of the framers was, and we must also know what they meant by the words they used.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Deport the illegals and give the jobs to Americans.

Build our economy bigger and stronger.

Which jobs? Which Americans?

In AMERICA....ALL jobs should be an AMERICANS job?
Is that confusing for you?

 

[Unkotare]

Deport the illegals and give the jobs to Americans.

Build our economy bigger and stronger.

Which jobs? Which Americans?

In AMERICA....ALL jobs should be an AMERICANS job?
Is that confusing for you?

Apparently logic is confusing for you.

 

[danielpalos]

how fortunate the People are, our Founding Fathers put it in writing.

Yes, how fortunate indeed, PRT (Paid Russian Troll). For it allows us to illustrate your profound ignorance to the world.

10 U.S. Code § 246 - Militia: composition and classes

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

Not only is that not “the whole of the people” - it is, in fact, a very small portion of the people. Only one gender. A limited age range within that gender.

He has a point here. If we are to adhere to the letter of the law, we must do it in its entire proper context. Admittedly, we must study and know what the intent of the framers was, and we must also know what they meant by the words they used.

Our federal Constitution was intelligently designed to be Both, gender and race neutral, from Inception.

 

[Auld Phart]

Really?

They got a website?

headquarters?

membership list?

are you a member?

nobody takes the right wing seriously about the law, Constitutional or otherwise.

10USC246

I certainly dont' take you seriously.

"The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard. "

Guess if you are under 17, or over 45, you aren't a member of the Militia.

Guess if you don't belong to the National Guard, you aren't a member of the Militia.

Anything else you'd like shot down?

The federal government has first dibs on the militia of the People.

States have second dibs.

The People are the Militia.

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

One voice out of dozens, and few agreed with him.

Few remember him, except for that one statement.

and even in those days, Militia consisted of able bodied men between the ages of 16-45.

No women, no disabled, no men over the age of 45.

Instead of regurgitating liberal talking points, why don't you do some research.

See what Washington, Jefferson, Madison, etc said about the militia

whatever can you mean? that understanding of the composition of the militia under the common law for the common defense, was ratified at the Convention.

You cant read.

the right to keep and bear arms was given to the people, because those that signed the Constitution KNEW that militias were made up of ONLY able bodied men between the ages of 16-45.

 

[Auld Phart]

In post #164, the PRT (Paid Russian Troll) attempts to cite the U.S. Constitution.

how fortunate the People are, our Founding Fathers put it in writing.

However, when challenged on the U.S. Constitution, the PRT (Paid Russian Troll) suddenly ignores the U.S. Constitution altogether in the very next post (#165) and instead claims that a quote from George Mason is suddenly and magically the law of the land:

The federal government has first dibs on the militia of the People. States have second dibs. The People are the Militia.

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

Folks...you just can’t make this stuff up. At no point did anyone claim who had first “dibs” on a state militia. After being thoroughly schooled by WillHaftawaite, the PRT (Paid Russian Troll) immediately resorts to a straw man.

Furthermore, George Mason’s off-the-cuff remark is not law. The U.S. Constitution is. You’ve been owned once again, PRT.

lol. it was Not, off the cuff; that was the understanding that was ratified at the Convention, regarding the composition of the militia.

Seems they knew the composition of the militia far better than you.

 

[P@triot]

Deport the illegals and give the jobs to Americans.

Build our economy bigger and stronger.

Which jobs? Which Americans?

In AMERICA....ALL jobs should be an AMERICANS job?
Is that confusing for you?

Apparently logic is confusing for you.

Why do you always dodge like that? Like a disingenuous prick? You do that every time someone provides something concrete and backs you into a corner.

He clearly stated “in America” that “ALL jobs” should be held by an American. You understood it too. First you asked an immature, disingenuous questions and then you run like hell when someone answers it.

Why are you even here? You never provide anything concrete. You just troll. Either engage in an actual discussion or get the fuck out of here.