So what do I have to look forward to on government healthcare?

[Penelope]

Show me the error in what I said?? Its all true. You are the one who is delusional. Under the ACA you would be covered for mental illness and they will not charge you more.

Where does a single government run socialist healthcare system you describe actually work that way? It doesn't exist. You think you're going to just waltz your over weight ass into a hospital and get grade A treatment right away with no questions asked? That goes against everything government programs do. They control your behavior. That's what it's for. Pay according to your income? You pay taxes out the ass for these programs. Yes even the poor pay. So free isn't so free is it? You get to pay a huge part of whatever meager income you can squeeze out to pay for this free shit. Whether you need it or not.

You live in fantasy land if you think this is how it will work.

Health insurances are not doctors. Of course you tell your history and symptoms to a doctor , but not to insurance companies. No wonder most of you have no idea about insurance.

You do realize that obiecare forces those doctors to put that info on the web right?

No its not on the web.

Well, it kind of is. Electronic medical records true are on one particular doctor's server but can be shared with other docs you see. Can be hacked.

I guess they can be hacked. True.

 

[Penelope]

Show me the error in what I said?? Its all true. You are the one who is delusional. Under the ACA you would be covered for mental illness and they will not charge you more.

Where does a single government run socialist healthcare system you describe actually work that way? It doesn't exist. You think you're going to just waltz your over weight ass into a hospital and get grade A treatment right away with no questions asked? That goes against everything government programs do. They control your behavior. That's what it's for. Pay according to your income? You pay taxes out the ass for these programs. Yes even the poor pay. So free isn't so free is it? You get to pay a huge part of whatever meager income you can squeeze out to pay for this free shit. Whether you need it or not.

You live in fantasy land if you think this is how it will work.

Health insurances are not doctors. Of course you tell your history and symptoms to a doctor , but not to insurance companies. No wonder most of you have no idea about insurance.

But when a claim is filed they know your history.

Of course but they are the billers and could careless. They just do the coding and billing.

No, I meant claims people at the insurance company or Medicare. When a claim goes in they bring up your other claims. If something has to be pre authorized they bring up your history. They know your history, everyone is watching you.

Of course, that is their job. They can't discriminate against you though. Who is everyone, the gov. Good that is their job, I hope the IRS is as well. I prefer to have only honest people and law abiding people in the US. Glad big brother is watching.

 

[Moonglow]

That seems to be where we're headed so what's on the horizion besides the so called death panels? Anyone on a government program now what's the scoop?

It's like any other insurance coverage..

 

[Hutch Starskey]

That seems to be where we're headed so what's on the horizion besides the so called death panels? Anyone on a government program now what's the scoop?

Had "government" healthcare for 20 years in the military. It was awesome. The other "government" Heath insurance that just happens to be VERY popular? Medicare.

Americans With Government Health Plans Most Satisfied

Well I expect the military to be taken care of better than anyone else.
How much will this cost the average American? I don't know anything about this stuff beyond what my grandmother was on.

Tax policy center said bernie sanders plan would cost 32 trillion more than what it costs now, over a 10 year period.. If that helps.

32 trillion?

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Where does a single government run socialist healthcare system you describe actually work that way? It doesn't exist. You think you're going to just waltz your over weight ass into a hospital and get grade A treatment right away with no questions asked? That goes against everything government programs do. They control your behavior. That's what it's for. Pay according to your income? You pay taxes out the ass for these programs. Yes even the poor pay. So free isn't so free is it? You get to pay a huge part of whatever meager income you can squeeze out to pay for this free shit. Whether you need it or not.

You live in fantasy land if you think this is how it will work.

Health insurances are not doctors. Of course you tell your history and symptoms to a doctor , but not to insurance companies. No wonder most of you have no idea about insurance.

But when a claim is filed they know your history.

Of course but they are the billers and could careless. They just do the coding and billing.

No, I meant claims people at the insurance company or Medicare. When a claim goes in they bring up your other claims. If something has to be pre authorized they bring up your history. They know your history, everyone is watching you.

Of course, that is their job. They can't discriminate against you though. Who is everyone, the gov. Good that is their job, I hope the IRS is as well. I prefer to have only honest people and law abiding people in the US. Glad big brother is watching.

Do you have any clue how fucking dumb that is? Any at all?

 

[TNHarley]

That seems to be where we're headed so what's on the horizion besides the so called death panels? Anyone on a government program now what's the scoop?

Had "government" healthcare for 20 years in the military. It was awesome. The other "government" Heath insurance that just happens to be VERY popular? Medicare.

Americans With Government Health Plans Most Satisfied

Well I expect the military to be taken care of better than anyone else.
How much will this cost the average American? I don't know anything about this stuff beyond what my grandmother was on.

Tax policy center said bernie sanders plan would cost 32 trillion more than what it costs now, over a 10 year period.. If that helps.

32 trillion?

That's what it said lol

 

[Clementine]

If the government ran healthcare, old people would die. The leftwing socialists seem to think it's a total waste of time and money to treat older people for cancer and other diseases. Right now, people get private insurance and they get treatment. If the government decided what treatment people were allowed to get, they would do like Obama recommended and just hand them pain pills. It's like if they are just retired and living off pensions or retirement savings, then they aren't contributing enough and don't deserve to exist. The aptly-named 'death panels' would have denied care for people 75 and older.

Right now, people have choices. Even people from other countries have come here because they don't have near the options that we do. Of course, the wealthy dictators come more often because, being typical tyrants, they believe they are entitled to anything and everything even as they deny things to the masses.

America was always about giving the people control over their own lives. The left wants to change that so government bureaucrats can make all your decisions for you. They'll take the attitude that they are paying and so they get to call the shots.

There will be no more options for anything if the left has their way. America was the last hope for many who wanted to experience true freedom and liberty. The left does not appreciate these things, except for themselves. Liberty means the right to own a gun. Liberty means you can protect your own rights if the need arises and that includes standing up to tyrants in government. Freedom means that bureaucrats aren't breathing down your back. It means fair laws but not the thousands of oppressive on the books, like not being able to save rain water for your garden or having property that government can seize on a whim. The taxes they impose are designed to take away our property and freedom if we are unable to keep up with them. Lose your house if those property taxes get too high. You never really own anything because it can all be taken away. They can clean out your bank account without charging or convicting you of any crime if you put too much cash in the bank at once or have too much cash on you.

The left wants to take control of healthcare beause they need to in order to destroy America and rebuild a socialist hellhole in it's place. They dream of a world where they are the supreme rulers. Their followers have been duped into believing that things would be better for all. They won't. Socialism, communism and Marxism end in disaster and suffering every fucking time.

Allowing government to go to single payer is just another step toward being ruled by tyrants. Anyone who thinks they'd stop there is just fooling themselves.

Government knows how to confiscate things, not create things. And people will stop creating when they become slaves to government.

 

[Harry Dresden]

it kinda helps the doctor if they know your health history....just sayin....

Well of course, but the insurance companies do not need to know it. They are paper pushers.

so are they expected to just pay without knowing what they are paying for?...even medicare gets your history....

The only question on the marketplace is age and do you smoke and income. Medicare does not ask for medical hx.

they dont have to ask.....as soon as a bill is submitted to them they start getting your medical shit....and im sure they can get your history if they need it.....

They can't charge you more than someone in the same age bracket with the same plan. The billers don't give a rip about your health, they bill.

you are getting off track now....the billers take care of the bill yes.....i can go online right now with medicare and get all kinds of stuff they have collected on my health history....

 

[Seawytch]

That seems to be where we're headed so what's on the horizion besides the so called death panels? Anyone on a government program now what's the scoop?

Had "government" healthcare for 20 years in the military. It was awesome. The other "government" Heath insurance that just happens to be VERY popular? Medicare.

Americans With Government Health Plans Most Satisfied

Well I expect the military to be taken care of better than anyone else.
How much will this cost the average American? I don't know anything about this stuff beyond what my grandmother was on.

Tax policy center said bernie sanders plan would cost 32 trillion more than what it costs now, over a 10 year period.. If that helps.

32 trillion?

That's what it said lol

Not quite...

Study: Sanders' Proposals Would Add $18 Trillion To Debt Over 10 Years

According to TPC, Sanders' plans would increase taxes across the board, but they would provide bigger benefits than tax hikes for many Americans as well, particularly the lowest-income.

People in the bottom 20 percent of income would pay an average of $209 more in taxes, for example, but receive nearly $10,300 in benefits, on average. Benefits would outweigh the tax costs for the bottom 95 percent in TPC's breakdown.

The highest-income people, meanwhile, would pay in a lot more than they'd receive. On average, people in the top 5 percent would pay $130,275 more in taxes and receive $19,281 more in benefits.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Had "government" healthcare for 20 years in the military. It was awesome. The other "government" Heath insurance that just happens to be VERY popular? Medicare.

Americans With Government Health Plans Most Satisfied

Well I expect the military to be taken care of better than anyone else.
How much will this cost the average American? I don't know anything about this stuff beyond what my grandmother was on.

Tax policy center said bernie sanders plan would cost 32 trillion more than what it costs now, over a 10 year period.. If that helps.

32 trillion?

That's what it said lol

Not quite...

Study: Sanders' Proposals Would Add $18 Trillion To Debt Over 10 Years

According to TPC, Sanders' plans would increase taxes across the board, but they would provide bigger benefits than tax hikes for many Americans as well, particularly the lowest-income.

People in the bottom 20 percent of income would pay an average of $209 more in taxes, for example, but receive nearly $10,300 in benefits, on average. Benefits would outweigh the tax costs for the bottom 95 percent in TPC's breakdown.

The highest-income people, meanwhile, would pay in a lot more than they'd receive. On average, people in the top 5 percent would pay $130,275 more in taxes and receive $19,281 more in benefits.

So a ponzi scheme to redistribute wealth...

 

[Seawytch]

Well I expect the military to be taken care of better than anyone else.
How much will this cost the average American? I don't know anything about this stuff beyond what my grandmother was on.

Tax policy center said bernie sanders plan would cost 32 trillion more than what it costs now, over a 10 year period.. If that helps.

32 trillion?

That's what it said lol

Not quite...

Study: Sanders' Proposals Would Add $18 Trillion To Debt Over 10 Years

According to TPC, Sanders' plans would increase taxes across the board, but they would provide bigger benefits than tax hikes for many Americans as well, particularly the lowest-income.

People in the bottom 20 percent of income would pay an average of $209 more in taxes, for example, but receive nearly $10,300 in benefits, on average. Benefits would outweigh the tax costs for the bottom 95 percent in TPC's breakdown.

The highest-income people, meanwhile, would pay in a lot more than they'd receive. On average, people in the top 5 percent would pay $130,275 more in taxes and receive $19,281 more in benefits.

So a ponzi scheme to redistribute wealth...

Only if you have the intellectual depth of spit.

 

[debbiedowner]

If the government ran healthcare, old people would die. The leftwing socialists seem to think it's a total waste of time and money to treat older people for cancer and other diseases. Right now, people get private insurance and they get treatment. If the government decided what treatment people were allowed to get, they would do like Obama recommended and just hand them pain pills. It's like if they are just retired and living off pensions or retirement savings, then they aren't contributing enough and don't deserve to exist. The aptly-named 'death panels' would have denied care for people 75 and older.

Right now, people have choices. Even people from other countries have come here because they don't have near the options that we do. Of course, the wealthy dictators come more often because, being typical tyrants, they believe they are entitled to anything and everything even as they deny things to the masses.

America was always about giving the people control over their own lives. The left wants to change that so government bureaucrats can make all your decisions for you. They'll take the attitude that they are paying and so they get to call the shots.

There will be no more options for anything if the left has their way. America was the last hope for many who wanted to experience true freedom and liberty. The left does not appreciate these things, except for themselves. Liberty means the right to own a gun. Liberty means you can protect your own rights if the need arises and that includes standing up to tyrants in government. Freedom means that bureaucrats aren't breathing down your back. It means fair laws but not the thousands of oppressive on the books, like not being able to save rain water for your garden or having property that government can seize on a whim. The taxes they impose are designed to take away our property and freedom if we are unable to keep up with them. Lose your house if those property taxes get too high. You never really own anything because it can all be taken away. They can clean out your bank account without charging or convicting you of any crime if you put too much cash in the bank at once or have too much cash on you.

The left wants to take control of healthcare beause they need to in order to destroy America and rebuild a socialist hellhole in it's place. They dream of a world where they are the supreme rulers. Their followers have been duped into believing that things would be better for all. They won't. Socialism, communism and Marxism end in disaster and suffering every fucking time.

Allowing government to go to single payer is just another step toward being ruled by tyrants. Anyone who thinks they'd stop there is just fooling themselves.

Government knows how to confiscate things, not create things. And people will stop creating when they become slaves to government.

Old people do die and old people are on Medicare and it works great for about 99%.

 

[debbiedowner]

Where does a single government run socialist healthcare system you describe actually work that way? It doesn't exist. You think you're going to just waltz your over weight ass into a hospital and get grade A treatment right away with no questions asked? That goes against everything government programs do. They control your behavior. That's what it's for. Pay according to your income? You pay taxes out the ass for these programs. Yes even the poor pay. So free isn't so free is it? You get to pay a huge part of whatever meager income you can squeeze out to pay for this free shit. Whether you need it or not.

You live in fantasy land if you think this is how it will work.

Health insurances are not doctors. Of course you tell your history and symptoms to a doctor , but not to insurance companies. No wonder most of you have no idea about insurance.

But when a claim is filed they know your history.

Of course but they are the billers and could careless. They just do the coding and billing.

No, I meant claims people at the insurance company or Medicare. When a claim goes in they bring up your other claims. If something has to be pre authorized they bring up your history. They know your history, everyone is watching you.

Of course, that is their job. They can't discriminate against you though. Who is everyone, the gov. Good that is their job, I hope the IRS is as well. I prefer to have only honest people and law abiding people in the US. Glad big brother is watching.

You ever buy life insurance?

mib.com - Home

 

[TNHarley]

Had "government" healthcare for 20 years in the military. It was awesome. The other "government" Heath insurance that just happens to be VERY popular? Medicare.

Americans With Government Health Plans Most Satisfied

Well I expect the military to be taken care of better than anyone else.
How much will this cost the average American? I don't know anything about this stuff beyond what my grandmother was on.

Tax policy center said bernie sanders plan would cost 32 trillion more than what it costs now, over a 10 year period.. If that helps.

32 trillion?

That's what it said lol

Not quite...

Study: Sanders' Proposals Would Add $18 Trillion To Debt Over 10 Years

According to TPC, Sanders' plans would increase taxes across the board, but they would provide bigger benefits than tax hikes for many Americans as well, particularly the lowest-income.

People in the bottom 20 percent of income would pay an average of $209 more in taxes, for example, but receive nearly $10,300 in benefits, on average. Benefits would outweigh the tax costs for the bottom 95 percent in TPC's breakdown.

The highest-income people, meanwhile, would pay in a lot more than they'd receive. On average, people in the top 5 percent would pay $130,275 more in taxes and receive $19,281 more in benefits.

Thats what it would add to the debt. Not cost. But thanks anyways.

 

[Seawytch]

Well I expect the military to be taken care of better than anyone else.
How much will this cost the average American? I don't know anything about this stuff beyond what my grandmother was on.

Tax policy center said bernie sanders plan would cost 32 trillion more than what it costs now, over a 10 year period.. If that helps.

32 trillion?

That's what it said lol

Not quite...

Study: Sanders' Proposals Would Add $18 Trillion To Debt Over 10 Years

According to TPC, Sanders' plans would increase taxes across the board, but they would provide bigger benefits than tax hikes for many Americans as well, particularly the lowest-income.

People in the bottom 20 percent of income would pay an average of $209 more in taxes, for example, but receive nearly $10,300 in benefits, on average. Benefits would outweigh the tax costs for the bottom 95 percent in TPC's breakdown.

The highest-income people, meanwhile, would pay in a lot more than they'd receive. On average, people in the top 5 percent would pay $130,275 more in taxes and receive $19,281 more in benefits.

Thats what it would add to the debt. Not cost. But thanks anyways.

His combined free college and universal healthcare, not the cost of the healthcare plan alone. Read all, not just the headlines.

The center's estimate isn't really comparable with its other analyses of candidate plans, because this one includes both Sanders' taxation and spending plans. TPC has analyzed most other major candidates' tax plans, for example, but not the accompanying spending (or spending-cut) plans

 

[TNHarley]

Tax policy center said bernie sanders plan would cost 32 trillion more than what it costs now, over a 10 year period.. If that helps.

32 trillion?

That's what it said lol

Not quite...

Study: Sanders' Proposals Would Add $18 Trillion To Debt Over 10 Years

According to TPC, Sanders' plans would increase taxes across the board, but they would provide bigger benefits than tax hikes for many Americans as well, particularly the lowest-income.

People in the bottom 20 percent of income would pay an average of $209 more in taxes, for example, but receive nearly $10,300 in benefits, on average. Benefits would outweigh the tax costs for the bottom 95 percent in TPC's breakdown.

The highest-income people, meanwhile, would pay in a lot more than they'd receive. On average, people in the top 5 percent would pay $130,275 more in taxes and receive $19,281 more in benefits.

Thats what it would add to the debt. Not cost. But thanks anyways.

His combined free college and universal healthcare, not the cost of the healthcare plan alone. Read all, not just the headlines.

The center's estimate isn't really comparable with its other analyses of candidate plans, because this one includes both Sanders' taxation and spending plans. TPC has analyzed most other major candidates' tax plans, for example, but not the accompanying spending (or spending-cut) plans

Yes. I was talking about the health policy center, not the TPC. Sorry TPC said 29 trillion.
An Analysis of Senator Bernie Sanders's Tax and Transfer Proposals

 

[rightwinger]

That seems to be where we're headed so what's on the horizion besides the so called death panels? Anyone on a government program now what's the scoop?

I've been on Government healthcare for almost 40 years

It provides a good selection of plans and comprehensive coverage. You get what you pay for. If you are willing to pay more, you get better coverage

My mom has been on Medicare for 20 years. She likes it and it pays for most of the surgeries she has had

 

[Hutch Starskey]

That seems to be where we're headed so what's on the horizion besides the so called death panels? Anyone on a government program now what's the scoop?

Had "government" healthcare for 20 years in the military. It was awesome. The other "government" Heath insurance that just happens to be VERY popular? Medicare.

Americans With Government Health Plans Most Satisfied

Well I expect the military to be taken care of better than anyone else.
How much will this cost the average American? I don't know anything about this stuff beyond what my grandmother was on.

Tax policy center said bernie sanders plan would cost 32 trillion more than what it costs now, over a 10 year period.. If that helps.

32 trillion?

That's what it said lol

Does that seem like a reasonable assessment?

 

[TNHarley]

Had "government" healthcare for 20 years in the military. It was awesome. The other "government" Heath insurance that just happens to be VERY popular? Medicare.

Americans With Government Health Plans Most Satisfied

Well I expect the military to be taken care of better than anyone else.
How much will this cost the average American? I don't know anything about this stuff beyond what my grandmother was on.

Tax policy center said bernie sanders plan would cost 32 trillion more than what it costs now, over a 10 year period.. If that helps.

32 trillion?

That's what it said lol

Does that seem like a reasonable assessment?

IDK. If i did, i might work for them. Another institute stated like 27 trillion. Is that better?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

If the government ran healthcare, old people would die. The leftwing socialists seem to think it's a total waste of time and money to treat older people for cancer and other diseases. Right now, people get private insurance and they get treatment. If the government decided what treatment people were allowed to get, they would do like Obama recommended and just hand them pain pills. It's like if they are just retired and living off pensions or retirement savings, then they aren't contributing enough and don't deserve to exist. The aptly-named 'death panels' would have denied care for people 75 and older.

Right now, people have choices. Even people from other countries have come here because they don't have near the options that we do. Of course, the wealthy dictators come more often because, being typical tyrants, they believe they are entitled to anything and everything even as they deny things to the masses.

America was always about giving the people control over their own lives. The left wants to change that so government bureaucrats can make all your decisions for you. They'll take the attitude that they are paying and so they get to call the shots.

There will be no more options for anything if the left has their way. America was the last hope for many who wanted to experience true freedom and liberty. The left does not appreciate these things, except for themselves. Liberty means the right to own a gun. Liberty means you can protect your own rights if the need arises and that includes standing up to tyrants in government. Freedom means that bureaucrats aren't breathing down your back. It means fair laws but not the thousands of oppressive on the books, like not being able to save rain water for your garden or having property that government can seize on a whim. The taxes they impose are designed to take away our property and freedom if we are unable to keep up with them. Lose your house if those property taxes get too high. You never really own anything because it can all be taken away. They can clean out your bank account without charging or convicting you of any crime if you put too much cash in the bank at once or have too much cash on you.

The left wants to take control of healthcare beause they need to in order to destroy America and rebuild a socialist hellhole in it's place. They dream of a world where they are the supreme rulers. Their followers have been duped into believing that things would be better for all. They won't. Socialism, communism and Marxism end in disaster and suffering every fucking time.

Allowing government to go to single payer is just another step toward being ruled by tyrants. Anyone who thinks they'd stop there is just fooling themselves.

Government knows how to confiscate things, not create things. And people will stop creating when they become slaves to government.

If the government ran healthcare, old people would die.

The govt already runs healthcare for old folks.