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I have a question to ask the OP or anyone else.
What price do you think it's worth to take out of your pocket and pay someone to do a job for you?
Would you pay someone 15.00 an hour to rack leaves in your yard?
Racking leaves is probably worth $30 an hour! First, you have to build the rack, and that's no mean feat.
I did my yard twice this past weekend. Once on Saturday morning and on Sunday afternoon. I have a 20,000 sq ft + yard.. I bet you pay someone that much to do that
Racking leaves is probably worth $30 an hour! First, you have to build the rack, and that's no mean feat.
I did my yard twice this past weekend. Once on Saturday morning and on Sunday afternoon. I have a 20,000 sq ft + yard.. I bet you pay someone that much to do that
Oh, I assumed you actually meant racked when you typed racked. Apparently, you meant raked.
Substituting raking for sex, are ya?
And points made go zoooooooooooooom, right over another liberal's head. I'm getting so many examples of that happening, I think I'm gonna write my own book about it.
But just to set the record straight, employers are people too.
But in a thriving economy, the employee is empowered to be able to sell his labor to the highest bidder and it will be a sellers market. And the employer will pay what he has to pay to get the best people who will generate the maximum profit for his business. However, if the employee demands more than the employer can pay and still make a decent profit, then both lose out. Because the employee won't work and the employer won't do business at all. In a free market thriving economy the relationship between employee an employer can be a mutually satisfactory contractual agreement.
Once the government starts short circuiting that process, everybody other than an elite few will lose.
Yeah, Zeke, holy crap, you completely missed the point. You automatically equate "the people" with "the federal bureaucracy". That's not what he was saying. Wasn't the phrase "aspire to earn" a clue?
It's up the individual to create their value in a job market. Education, certification, skill set, experience, achievement.
Then it's up to that specific employer to decide what, based on the above, that person is worth to that specific company. The employer then pays accordingly. If that pay is not enough for the employee, the employee is free to offer his/her services to other employers who make the same determination. Perhaps it will turn out that his/her skill set is worth more to another employer, perhaps not. But if that employee can't find a buyer for their services who is willing to pay more than their current employer, it's up to that employee to face the fact that they're not worth more than they're being paid, that it's likely they had an inflated view of their value.
I saw posts above in which Noomi is saying that some employers don't pay employees "what they're worth". How the hell would she know? This is the type of simplistic thought that many employees have, those who have never run a business. Who is to determine an employee's worth to a company? The employer, of course. They are, in effect, purchasing the services of that employee. If it's not enough for the employee, they can test their value on the job market. Simple as that. But her naive view is the view of many employees who know nothing about running a business.
This is terribly fundamental stuff here.
You clearly have a very government-centric of business, that's automatically where your mind goes, and your government-centric interpretation of what Foxfyre said is a perfect example. It didn't even occur to you that he was talking about the individual's freedom to improve their own lives, you went right to the government. This isn't about the freaking government. The government has nothing to do with an employee's value, that's between the particular employee and the particular business. That's it. Anything beyond that is artificial market manipulation and distortion.
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Yes, the wage the employee receives is just part of the equation. In addition to the money the employee sees in his paycheck, the employer also has direct labor costs for:
FICA
SUTA
FUTA
Work Comp premiums based on the employee's wages
Often liability insurance premiums based on the employees wages
Any bonding or E&O costs
Any inadvertent wastage due to error
Training expense if the employee has to learn on the job
Extra expense for non productive but paid vacation, holidays, sick leave
Whatever other benefits the employer voluntarily provides
And now if there are 50 or more employees, mandatory healthcare coverage.
In addition the employer is providing infrastructure, office space, transportation, equipment, tools, disposable supplies, cost of marketing, assuming the liability exposure, taking the depreciation--all the costs of doing business.
The employee's labor has to produce sufficient revenues to cover all the expense incurred because he/she is employed, plus whatever wages are paid plus a decent profit for the employer who is taking all the capital risks to run the business. Or there is simply no practical reason to hire the employee.
The more profit the employee makes for his employer, the more valuable his labor will be. The employee who produces very little or no profit for his employer is not going to be worth anywhere nearly as much money in wages. And that is what determines a 'fair and decent' wage.
Yeah, Zeke, holy crap, you completely missed the point. You automatically equate "the people" with "the federal bureaucracy". That's not what he was saying. Wasn't the phrase "aspire to earn" a clue?
It's up the individual to create their value in a job market. Education, certification, skill set, experience, achievement.
Then it's up to that specific employer to decide what, based on the above, that person is worth to that specific company. The employer then pays accordingly. If that pay is not enough for the employee, the employee is free to offer his/her services to other employers who make the same determination. Perhaps it will turn out that his/her skill set is worth more to another employer, perhaps not. But if that employee can't find a buyer for their services who is willing to pay more than their current employer, it's up to that employee to face the fact that they're not worth more than they're being paid, that it's likely they had an inflated view of their value.
I saw posts above in which Noomi is saying that some employers don't pay employees "what they're worth". How the hell would she know? This is the type of simplistic thought that many employees have, those who have never run a business. Who is to determine an employee's worth to a company? The employer, of course. They are, in effect, purchasing the services of that employee. If it's not enough for the employee, they can test their value on the job market. Simple as that. But her naive view is the view of many employees who know nothing about running a business.
This is terribly fundamental stuff here.
You clearly have a very government-centric of business, that's automatically where your mind goes, and your government-centric interpretation of what Foxfyre said is a perfect example. It didn't even occur to you that he was talking about the individual's freedom to improve their own lives, you went right to the government. This isn't about the freaking government. The government has nothing to do with an employee's value, that's between the particular employee and the particular business. That's it. Anything beyond that is artificial market manipulation and distortion.
.
Yes, the wage the employee receives is just part of the equation. In addition to the money the employee sees in his paycheck, the employer also has direct labor costs for:
FICA
SUTA
FUTA
Work Comp premiums based on the employee's wages
Often liability insurance premiums based on the employees wages
Any bonding or E&O costs
Any inadvertent wastage due to error
Training expense if the employee has to learn on the job
Extra expense for non productive but paid vacation, holidays, sick leave
Whatever other benefits the employer voluntarily provides
And now if there are 50 or more employees, mandatory healthcare coverage.
In addition the employer is providing infrastructure, office space, transportation, equipment, tools, disposable supplies, cost of marketing, assuming the liability exposure, taking the depreciation--all the costs of doing business.
The employee's labor has to produce sufficient revenues to cover all the expense incurred because he/she is employed, plus whatever wages are paid plus a decent profit for the employer who is taking all the capital risks to run the business. Or there is simply no practical reason to hire the employee.
The more profit the employee makes for his employer, the more valuable his labor will be. The employee who produces very little or no profit for his employer is not going to be worth anywhere nearly as much money in wages. And that is what determines a 'fair and decent' wage.
Doesn't matter.
Business owners are rich, mean, evil and greedy.
And they didn't build that.
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I have a question to ask the OP or anyone else.
What price do you think it's worth to take out of your pocket and pay someone to do a job for you?
Would you pay someone 15.00 an hour to rack leaves in your yard?
Racking leaves is probably worth $30 an hour! First, you have to build the rack, and that's no mean feat.
I did my yard twice this past weekend. Once on Saturday morning and on Sunday afternoon. I have a 20,000 sq ft + yard.. I bet you pay someone that much to do that
Oh, I assumed you actually meant racked when you typed racked. Apparently, you meant raked.
Substituting raking for sex, are ya?
I did my yard twice this past weekend. Once on Saturday morning and on Sunday afternoon. I have a 20,000 sq ft + yard.. I bet you pay someone that much to do that
Oh, I assumed you actually meant racked when you typed racked. Apparently, you meant raked.
Substituting raking for sex, are ya?
Maybe you should change your moniker to BHB
Butt Hurt Boppie I'm sure you would pay someone 30 an hour .
I do have a clue. I know that some employees refuse to pay their employees what they are really worth.
I have a question to ask the OP or anyone else.
What price do you think it's worth to take out of your pocket and pay someone to do a job for you?
Would you pay someone 15.00 an hour to rack leaves in your yard?
Funny you ask that. I've offered bums begging money on the street corner $10/hr to come help clean out my barn and sheds. Plus a hot meal. To date, I've had no takers. I've also offered the same to a friend's (unemployed) teen-aged son. No takers, ever. You'd think I'd shit in their Wheaties, offering that kind of money...to shovel manure. To think that cropping tobacco for $5/hr was BIG money for kids when I was growing up...
I have a question to ask the OP or anyone else.
What price do you think it's worth to take out of your pocket and pay someone to do a job for you?
Would you pay someone 15.00 an hour to rack leaves in your yard?
Funny you ask that. I've offered bums begging money on the street corner $10/hr to come help clean out my barn and sheds. Plus a hot meal. To date, I've had no takers. I've also offered the same to a friend's (unemployed) teen-aged son. No takers, ever. You'd think I'd shit in their Wheaties, offering that kind of money...to shovel manure. To think that cropping tobacco for $5/hr was BIG money for kids when I was growing up...
I have a question to ask the OP or anyone else.
What price do you think it's worth to take out of your pocket and pay someone to do a job for you?
Would you pay someone 15.00 an hour to rack leaves in your yard?
Funny you ask that. I've offered bums begging money on the street corner $10/hr to come help clean out my barn and sheds. Plus a hot meal. To date, I've had no takers. I've also offered the same to a friend's (unemployed) teen-aged son. No takers, ever. You'd think I'd shit in their Wheaties, offering that kind of money...to shovel manure. To think that cropping tobacco for $5/hr was BIG money for kids when I was growing up...
I have a question to ask the OP or anyone else.
What price do you think it's worth to take out of your pocket and pay someone to do a job for you?
Would you pay someone 15.00 an hour to rack leaves in your yard?
Funny you ask that. I've offered bums begging money on the street corner $10/hr to come help clean out my barn and sheds. Plus a hot meal. To date, I've had no takers. I've also offered the same to a friend's (unemployed) teen-aged son. No takers, ever. You'd think I'd shit in their Wheaties, offering that kind of money...to shovel manure. To think that cropping tobacco for $5/hr was BIG money for kids when I was growing up...
Five dollars an hour? I also worked in the tobacco fields as early as age 7 I got 100.00 for a whole summer worth of work and loved every minute of it.
Funny you ask that. I've offered bums begging money on the street corner $10/hr to come help clean out my barn and sheds. Plus a hot meal. To date, I've had no takers. I've also offered the same to a friend's (unemployed) teen-aged son. No takers, ever. You'd think I'd shit in their Wheaties, offering that kind of money...to shovel manure. To think that cropping tobacco for $5/hr was BIG money for kids when I was growing up...
Five dollars an hour? I also worked in the tobacco fields as early as age 7 I got 100.00 for a whole summer worth of work and loved every minute of it.
Ahhaa the dignity of hard work for low pay.
So you offered to make two of the most unmotivated people (bums and teenage boys) a low wage, hard job and were surprised that they didn't want to work? Why? Mostly it depends on who you ask to work for low pay.
I have recently hired an older, ex con, ex druggie rehabbed guy for clean up work, and he works his ass off for 8 bucks and lunch. He is motivated. Because an ex con can't find a job of any sort.
And a roofer I know has hired from Home Depot and got good work for low pay. The Central American worker is known in the construction field for providing good work with good effort for low pay. That's cause 8 bucks American money in Mexico is a good wage.
They (Mexicans) will do a roofing job for a price a white crew won't want to work for. If you can find a white roofing crew. And do a better job than a cheap white crew will do.
Yes, more bang for your buck from your low paid worker if you are more picky about who you hire.
Mexicans and ex druggie cons are who I recommend. Stay away from bums and teen aged boys. Too unreliable.
Funny you ask that. I've offered bums begging money on the street corner $10/hr to come help clean out my barn and sheds. Plus a hot meal. To date, I've had no takers. I've also offered the same to a friend's (unemployed) teen-aged son. No takers, ever. You'd think I'd shit in their Wheaties, offering that kind of money...to shovel manure. To think that cropping tobacco for $5/hr was BIG money for kids when I was growing up...
Five dollars an hour? I also worked in the tobacco fields as early as age 7 I got 100.00 for a whole summer worth of work and loved every minute of it.
Ahhaa the dignity of hard work for low pay.
So you offered to make two of the most unmotivated people (bums and teenage boys) a low wage, hard job and were surprised that they didn't want to work? Why? Mostly it depends on who you ask to work for low pay.
I have recently hired an older, ex con, ex druggie rehabbed guy for clean up work, and he works his ass off for 8 bucks and lunch. He is motivated. Because an ex con can't find a job of any sort.
And a roofer I know has hired from Home Depot and got good work for low pay. The Central American worker is known in the construction field for providing good work with good effort for low pay. That's cause 8 bucks American money in Mexico is a good wage.
They (Mexicans) will do a roofing job for a price a white crew won't want to work for. If you can find a white roofing crew. And do a better job than a cheap white crew will do.
Yes, more bang for your buck from your low paid worker if you are more picky about who you hire.
Mexicans and ex druggie cons are who I recommend. Stay away from bums and teen aged boys. Too unreliable.
Funny you ask that. I've offered bums begging money on the street corner $10/hr to come help clean out my barn and sheds. Plus a hot meal. To date, I've had no takers. I've also offered the same to a friend's (unemployed) teen-aged son. No takers, ever. You'd think I'd shit in their Wheaties, offering that kind of money...to shovel manure. To think that cropping tobacco for $5/hr was BIG money for kids when I was growing up...
Five dollars an hour? I also worked in the tobacco fields as early as age 7 I got 100.00 for a whole summer worth of work and loved every minute of it.
Ahhaa the dignity of hard work for low pay.
So you offered to make two of the most unmotivated people (bums and teenage boys) a low wage, hard job and were surprised that they didn't want to work? Why? Mostly it depends on who you ask to work for low pay.
I have recently hired an older, ex con, ex druggie rehabbed guy for clean up work, and he works his ass off for 8 bucks and lunch. He is motivated. Because an ex con can't find a job of any sort.
And a roofer I know has hired from Home Depot and got good work for low pay. The Central American worker is known in the construction field for providing good work with good effort for low pay. That's cause 8 bucks American money in Mexico is a good wage.
They (Mexicans) will do a roofing job for a price a white crew won't want to work for. If you can find a white roofing crew. And do a better job than a cheap white crew will do.
Yes, more bang for your buck from your low paid worker if you are more picky about who you hire.
Mexicans and ex druggie cons are who I recommend. Stay away from bums and teen aged boys. Too unreliable.
Five dollars an hour? I also worked in the tobacco fields as early as age 7 I got 100.00 for a whole summer worth of work and loved every minute of it.
Ahhaa the dignity of hard work for low pay.
So you offered to make two of the most unmotivated people (bums and teenage boys) a low wage, hard job and were surprised that they didn't want to work? Why? Mostly it depends on who you ask to work for low pay.
I have recently hired an older, ex con, ex druggie rehabbed guy for clean up work, and he works his ass off for 8 bucks and lunch. He is motivated. Because an ex con can't find a job of any sort.
And a roofer I know has hired from Home Depot and got good work for low pay. The Central American worker is known in the construction field for providing good work with good effort for low pay. That's cause 8 bucks American money in Mexico is a good wage.
They (Mexicans) will do a roofing job for a price a white crew won't want to work for. If you can find a white roofing crew. And do a better job than a cheap white crew will do.
Yes, more bang for your buck from your low paid worker if you are more picky about who you hire.
Mexicans and ex druggie cons are who I recommend. Stay away from bums and teen aged boys. Too unreliable.
I have been in construction and we were underbid by Mexican crews, because we paid people what they were worth as did most of the companies I worked around. We were consistently not getting work because of these companies. Not sure if the Mexican companies followed the laws or not but we couldn't match the low labor bids.
What does the guy do for $8 bucks an hour, can't be much.
I have a question to ask the OP or anyone else.
What price do you think it's worth to take out of your pocket and pay someone to do a job for you?
Would you pay someone 15.00 an hour to rack leaves in your yard?
Funny you ask that. I've offered bums begging money on the street corner $10/hr to come help clean out my barn and sheds. Plus a hot meal. To date, I've had no takers. I've also offered the same to a friend's (unemployed) teen-aged son. No takers, ever. You'd think I'd shit in their Wheaties, offering that kind of money...to shovel manure. To think that cropping tobacco for $5/hr was BIG money for kids when I was growing up...
Five dollars an hour? I also worked in the tobacco fields as early as age 7 I got 100.00 for a whole summer worth of work and loved every minute of it.
