So you want better paying jobs?

[Boss]

Reserving labor at the rock bottom cost of a form of minimum wage could solve this social dilemma on an at-will basis.

To much Individual Liberty for the Right?

We already reserve labor at the rock bottom cost of an actual minimum wage. We've been doing it for 82 years and it hasn't solved any social dilemma on any basis.

No, you haven't.

Reserving labor means subsidizing labor on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States, at the rock bottom cost of a form of minimum wage; thus, labor no longer has to care about tax breaks for capitalists or capital games capitalists play, with other peoples jobs-through structural forms of unemployment.

It would also solve for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment as well as simple poverty.

Now you're going back to not making sense again. You're just stringing together meaningless phrases.

A free market capitalist system cannot operate with central government constantly controlling aspects of it. What you have then is Fascism.

Let me be clear... I want to completely eliminate income taxation in America. This would immediately give every person who earns a paycheck a huge raise in pay. It would also end the game playing and gaming the system, the loopholes and tax breaks, the class warfare bullshit... all of it would go bye-bye.

I have a fundamental problem with the minimum wage. It effectively works to anchor people through baselining their individual value. This progressive idea has caused a progressive decline in prosperity for all, especially those at the bottom. However, it is now so entrenched as a baseline, it probably can't be eliminated. Our best bet is to render the minimum wage irrelevant due to demand for labor.

What I would do at this point is create a second minimum wage. The lowest rate would be specifically for certain jobs where many young people gain work experience and start out... fast food, things like that. The next minimum would be set according to GDP growth over three years.

 

[danielpalos]

Reserving labor at the rock bottom cost of a form of minimum wage could solve this social dilemma on an at-will basis.

To much Individual Liberty for the Right?

We already reserve labor at the rock bottom cost of an actual minimum wage. We've been doing it for 82 years and it hasn't solved any social dilemma on any basis.

No, you haven't.

Reserving labor means subsidizing labor on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States, at the rock bottom cost of a form of minimum wage; thus, labor no longer has to care about tax breaks for capitalists or capital games capitalists play, with other peoples jobs-through structural forms of unemployment.

It would also solve for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment as well as simple poverty.

Now you're going back to not making sense again. You're just stringing together meaningless phrases.

A free market capitalist system cannot operate with central government constantly controlling aspects of it. What you have then is Fascism.

Let me be clear... I want to completely eliminate income taxation in America. This would immediately give every person who earns a paycheck a huge raise in pay. It would also end the game playing and gaming the system, the loopholes and tax breaks, the class warfare bullshit... all of it would go bye-bye.

I have a fundamental problem with the minimum wage. It effectively works to anchor people through baselining their individual value. This progressive idea has caused a progressive decline in prosperity for all, especially those at the bottom. However, it is now so entrenched as a baseline, it probably can't be eliminated. Our best bet is to render the minimum wage irrelevant due to demand for labor.

What I would do at this point is create a second minimum wage. The lowest rate would be specifically for certain jobs where many young people gain work experience and start out... fast food, things like that. The next minimum would be set according to GDP growth over three years.

nothing but diversion; shill?

what part of the concept of employment at will is so complicated.

All you want to do is create more government while decrying socialism.

 

[rdean]

You know there are over 5 million jobs available but those with the right skills can't be found. Why is that?

too stupid and liberal if they really need to fill the jobs they will train the workers themselves rather than wait for inept liberal govt to train workers badly.

IBM grew to be the biggest most profitable company in the world long before govt schools even began to offer computer science classes.

Come on. You know better than that.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

You know there are over 5 million jobs available but those with the right skills can't be found. Why is that?

too stupid and liberal if they really need to fill the jobs they will train the workers themselves rather than wait for inept liberal govt to train workers badly.

IBM grew to be the biggest most profitable company in the world long before govt schools even began to offer computer science classes.

Come on. You know better than that.

too stupid and liberal if corporations really need to fill the jobs they will train the workers themselves rather than wait for inept liberal govt to train workers badly.

IBM grew to be the biggest most profitable company in the world long before govt schools even began to offer computer science classes.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

better paying jobs obviously come from new inventions that enable people to be more productive and thus worth better pay.

 

[Boss]

better paying jobs obviously come from new inventions that enable people to be more productive and thus worth better pay.

Sometimes this is true but not always. The iPhone is a "new invention" but it has essentially buried the graphic design business because anything you once needed an expensive graphic designer to do can be done with an app on your iPhone.

I think I mentioned Gannett earlier in this thread. The advent of automated software to handle PDF files and uniform Post Script color enabled them to eliminate thousands of good paying pre-press jobs. Now, a trained monkey can output digital files to plate, they don't need the specialized technician anymore. Digital photography eliminated the staff photographer who once was a staple of any vibrant newspaper. Now, journalists are trained in photography and take most of their own photos. You don't need a professional photographer who knows his way around the darkroom.

Those are just a few examples from one field, there are thousands of other examples. Advanced technology doesn't always create better paying jobs, in many cases it does just the opposite.

The KEY to creating better paying jobs is increasing the demand for labor. It's just basic free market capitalist principle. Supply and demand.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

. The iPhone is a "new invention" but it has essentially buried the graphic design business.

just like the auto buried the horse and a buggy industry. improvements in efficiency lead to higher wages for all. We don't want 99% still farming and not replaced by technology. Do you understand?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The KEY to creating better paying jobs is increasing the demand for labor.

of course thats stupid. You could create unlimited demand for labor by destroying all the machines in the world but that would make us poorer not richer. Do you understand???

 

[Boss]

The KEY to creating better paying jobs is increasing the demand for labor.

of course thats stupid. You could create unlimited demand for labor by destroying all the machines in the world but that would make us poorer not richer. Do you understand???

. The iPhone is a "new invention" but it has essentially buried the graphic design business.

just like the auto buried the horse and a buggy industry. improvements in efficiency lead to higher wages for all. We don't want 99% still farming and not replaced by technology. Do you understand?

You are talking two different things. Buggy makers were coach builders, they adapted to building their product around the internal combustion engine. Supply and demand. Technology is also driven by free market principles in a free market system. It's why we lead the world in technology.

Sometimes, improvements in efficiency and technology cause fewer jobs and lower pay. It all depends on supply and demand. That's the KEY to ANY free market system. As for your ridiculous analogy of destroying all machines to increase demand for labor... we can do all kinds of stupid artificial shit to increase demand for labor... we could commit genocide and wipe out 75% of the working population... that works to reduce the supply of labor and increase the demand, but it's STUPID and an artificial solution.

--deport the illegals.
--de-regulate business and industry.
--lower corporate taxation.
--repatriate wealth abroad with incentives.
--increase tariffs on some foreign import items.
--stop making boneheaded trade deals with non-capitalist countries.
--stop allowing crony corporatists in government to pick winners and losers.
--stop thinking capitalist enterprises are "too big to fail."
--let the laws of supply and demand work as they should.

If we do these things, we will increase the demand for labor naturally and wages will rise.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Sometimes, improvements in efficiency and technology cause fewer jobs and lower pay.

of course thats 100% impossible if true after 250 years of daily inventions we are far richer rather than far poorer

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The KEY to creating better paying jobs is increasing the demand for labor.

of course thats stupid. You could create unlimited demand for labor by destroying all the machines in the world but that would make us poorer not richer. Do you understand???

. The iPhone is a "new invention" but it has essentially buried the graphic design business.

just like the auto buried the horse and a buggy industry. improvements in efficiency lead to higher wages for all. We don't want 99% still farming and not replaced by technology. Do you understand?

You are talking two different things. Buggy makers were coach builders, they adapted to building their product around the internal combustion engine. Supply and demand. Technology is also driven by free market principles in a free market system. It's why we lead the world in technology.

Sometimes, improvements in efficiency and technology cause fewer jobs and lower pay. It all depends on supply and demand. That's the KEY to ANY free market system. As for your ridiculous analogy of destroying all machines to increase demand for labor... we can do all kinds of stupid artificial shit to increase demand for labor... we could commit genocide and wipe out 75% of the working population... that works to reduce the supply of labor and increase the demand, but it's STUPID and an artificial solution.

--deport the illegals.
--de-regulate business and industry.
--lower corporate taxation.
--repatriate wealth abroad with incentives.
--increase tariffs on some foreign import items.
--stop making boneheaded trade deals with non-capitalist countries.
--stop allowing crony corporatists in government to pick winners and losers.
--stop thinking capitalist enterprises are "too big to fail."
--let the laws of supply and demand work as they should.

If we do these things, we will increase the demand for labor naturally and wages will rise.

got it; maybe it would have been clearer for you to say we should switch to capitalism to create more wealth for all rather than to say we should create demand for jobs since that is what liberals say too.

 

[Boss]

Sometimes, improvements in efficiency and technology cause fewer jobs and lower pay.

of course thats 100% impossible if true after 250 years of daily inventions we are far richer rather than far poorer

But I gave you some valid examples. I didn't say 100% of the time this is the case. Sometimes advanced technology means better paying jobs. It can go both ways depending on what you're talking about specifically. There isn't a rule set in stone on this... not like the rule of supply and demand.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Sometimes advanced technology means better paying jobs. It can go both ways.

if so give me the best example??

 

[Boss]

The KEY to creating better paying jobs is increasing the demand for labor.

of course thats stupid. You could create unlimited demand for labor by destroying all the machines in the world but that would make us poorer not richer. Do you understand???

. The iPhone is a "new invention" but it has essentially buried the graphic design business.

just like the auto buried the horse and a buggy industry. improvements in efficiency lead to higher wages for all. We don't want 99% still farming and not replaced by technology. Do you understand?

You are talking two different things. Buggy makers were coach builders, they adapted to building their product around the internal combustion engine. Supply and demand. Technology is also driven by free market principles in a free market system. It's why we lead the world in technology.

Sometimes, improvements in efficiency and technology cause fewer jobs and lower pay. It all depends on supply and demand. That's the KEY to ANY free market system. As for your ridiculous analogy of destroying all machines to increase demand for labor... we can do all kinds of stupid artificial shit to increase demand for labor... we could commit genocide and wipe out 75% of the working population... that works to reduce the supply of labor and increase the demand, but it's STUPID and an artificial solution.

--deport the illegals.
--de-regulate business and industry.
--lower corporate taxation.
--repatriate wealth abroad with incentives.
--increase tariffs on some foreign import items.
--stop making boneheaded trade deals with non-capitalist countries.
--stop allowing crony corporatists in government to pick winners and losers.
--stop thinking capitalist enterprises are "too big to fail."
--let the laws of supply and demand work as they should.

If we do these things, we will increase the demand for labor naturally and wages will rise.

got it; maybe it would have been clearer for you to say we should switch to capitalism to create more wealth for all rather than to say we should create demand for jobs since that is what liberals say too.

I did not say "create demand for jobs!" I said create demand for LABOR... that's kind of the OPPOSITE!

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The KEY to creating better paying jobs is increasing the demand for labor.

of course thats stupid. You could create unlimited demand for labor by destroying all the machines in the world but that would make us poorer not richer. Do you understand???

. The iPhone is a "new invention" but it has essentially buried the graphic design business.

just like the auto buried the horse and a buggy industry. improvements in efficiency lead to higher wages for all. We don't want 99% still farming and not replaced by technology. Do you understand?

You are talking two different things. Buggy makers were coach builders, they adapted to building their product around the internal combustion engine. Supply and demand. Technology is also driven by free market principles in a free market system. It's why we lead the world in technology.

Sometimes, improvements in efficiency and technology cause fewer jobs and lower pay. It all depends on supply and demand. That's the KEY to ANY free market system. As for your ridiculous analogy of destroying all machines to increase demand for labor... we can do all kinds of stupid artificial shit to increase demand for labor... we could commit genocide and wipe out 75% of the working population... that works to reduce the supply of labor and increase the demand, but it's STUPID and an artificial solution.

--deport the illegals.
--de-regulate business and industry.
--lower corporate taxation.
--repatriate wealth abroad with incentives.
--increase tariffs on some foreign import items.
--stop making boneheaded trade deals with non-capitalist countries.
--stop allowing crony corporatists in government to pick winners and losers.
--stop thinking capitalist enterprises are "too big to fail."
--let the laws of supply and demand work as they should.

If we do these things, we will increase the demand for labor naturally and wages will rise.

got it; maybe it would have been clearer for you to say we should switch to capitalism to create more wealth for all rather than to say we should create demand for jobs since that is what liberals say too.

I did not say "create demand for jobs!" I said create demand for LABOR... that's kind of the OPPOSITE!

see about the same to me libs talk about demand while cons talk about supply

 

[Boss]

Sometimes advanced technology means better paying jobs. It can go both ways.

if so give me the best example??

Going back to the newspaper industry... Computer pagination versus the old wax machine paste up methods. Advanced technology increased productivity but you now need someone who knows how to operate a computer and the pagination programs. This requires advanced technical skills which are in higher demand, thus-- higher paying jobs.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Sometimes advanced technology means better paying jobs. It can go both ways.

if so give me the best example??

Going back to the newspaper industry... Computer pagination versus the old wax machine paste up methods. Advanced technology increased productivity but you now need someone who knows how to operate a computer and the pagination programs. This requires advanced technical skills which are in higher demand, thus-- higher paying jobs.

no idea what you're point is??

 

[Boss]

The KEY to creating better paying jobs is increasing the demand for labor.

of course thats stupid. You could create unlimited demand for labor by destroying all the machines in the world but that would make us poorer not richer. Do you understand???

. The iPhone is a "new invention" but it has essentially buried the graphic design business.

just like the auto buried the horse and a buggy industry. improvements in efficiency lead to higher wages for all. We don't want 99% still farming and not replaced by technology. Do you understand?

You are talking two different things. Buggy makers were coach builders, they adapted to building their product around the internal combustion engine. Supply and demand. Technology is also driven by free market principles in a free market system. It's why we lead the world in technology.

Sometimes, improvements in efficiency and technology cause fewer jobs and lower pay. It all depends on supply and demand. That's the KEY to ANY free market system. As for your ridiculous analogy of destroying all machines to increase demand for labor... we can do all kinds of stupid artificial shit to increase demand for labor... we could commit genocide and wipe out 75% of the working population... that works to reduce the supply of labor and increase the demand, but it's STUPID and an artificial solution.

--deport the illegals.
--de-regulate business and industry.
--lower corporate taxation.
--repatriate wealth abroad with incentives.
--increase tariffs on some foreign import items.
--stop making boneheaded trade deals with non-capitalist countries.
--stop allowing crony corporatists in government to pick winners and losers.
--stop thinking capitalist enterprises are "too big to fail."
--let the laws of supply and demand work as they should.

If we do these things, we will increase the demand for labor naturally and wages will rise.

got it; maybe it would have been clearer for you to say we should switch to capitalism to create more wealth for all rather than to say we should create demand for jobs since that is what liberals say too.

I did not say "create demand for jobs!" I said create demand for LABOR... that's kind of the OPPOSITE!

see about the same to me libs talk about demand while cons talk about supply

But it's not the same, it's the opposite. Liberal policies are increasing the supply of labor... amnesty for illegal aliens... regulating and taxing industries out of business or forcing them to outsource. They want to artificially increase the supply of jobs by creating more government.

I'm saying the opposite. Increase demand for labor... naturally. When the burger joint can't find anyone to work for less than $15 hr., that's what they will offer... supply and demand. Creating good jobs naturally, increases demand for labor and reduces supply of labor.

 

[Boss]

Sometimes advanced technology means better paying jobs. It can go both ways.

if so give me the best example??

Going back to the newspaper industry... Computer pagination versus the old wax machine paste up methods. Advanced technology increased productivity but you now need someone who knows how to operate a computer and the pagination programs. This requires advanced technical skills which are in higher demand, thus-- higher paying jobs.

no idea what you're point is??

Well my point was to answer your question about an example.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Sometimes advanced technology means better paying jobs. It can go both ways.

if so give me the best example??

Going back to the newspaper industry... Computer pagination versus the old wax machine paste up methods. Advanced technology increased productivity but you now need someone who knows how to operate a computer and the pagination programs. This requires advanced technical skills which are in higher demand, thus-- higher paying jobs.

no idea what you're point is??

Well my point was to answer your question about an example.

a best example should be from a common industry that we all know